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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: AirgunHunter on July 31, 2014, 03:29:08 PM
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Well I have came to the conclusion that I am not going to get what I want out of a lower end pcp(marauder or bt65) and will just end up dumping a bunch money into it.So I wanted your opinions on what higher end .25 I should get?I am considering the fx bobcat,royale 500,kalibr cricket tactical .25,or possibly a daystate air ranger tactical 50 fpe model.The biggest reason I want the gun is to take pigeons out at long range exceeding 100 yards.It will also be nice to have for jack rabbit and ground squirrel.Anyways lmk what you guys think!The biggest factors for me is shot count and long rance accuracy.
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I myself would personally go with a fx royale 500 or daystate.
the bullpups are just as fine if you like bullpups. but me, the two mentioned.
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I've hunted pigeons and big desert jacks with an air gun for a long time when I lived in Carson City, NV.
I used my 35 ft lb 2260 quite successfully out past 100 yards but my typical shooting distances were 50-75 yards.
The 21.14 grain Kodiak's were my 'go to' pellet.
My point in all this is you would be well served by 25.39 grain Kings in .25 caliber in the 900 fps range.
I have zero experience with the high end stuff but I would likely pick an FX Royale 500 - FX seems to have insanely efficient guns that gives a large number of shots.
My only hesitation is those smooth twist barrels but the reports seems to be good - I prefer a traditionally rifled barrel so I have the option of slugs...but that should make sense as I manufacture 25 cal slugs for air guns!
I wouldn't discount a .25 Sumatra 500cc tuned by Will Piatt - I'm going to have one tuned by him and have a TJ's 1:14 twist barrel installed.
You can vary your power and shoot at nice low power with a huge number of shots or get 6 shots @ 100 ft lbs with slugs. You don't need the TJ 1:14 barrel for slugs but I've had great accuracy (3/8" @ 75 yards) pushing Kings at 1020 fps out of my .25 Challenger with a TJ barrel.
If you want in on the 'owners club' (and I don't blame you!) my pick would be the FX Royale 500.
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I am kinda on the edge with pups as well but the bobcat seems like an exception.I wad told that the bobcat is basically just a royale thrown in a bullpup stock.I like the fact that it is much shorter than the royale guns as well.
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I am kinda on the edge with pups as well but the bobcat seems like an exception.I wad told that the bobcat is basically just a royale thrown in a bullpup stock.I like the fact that it is much shorter than the royale guns as well.
Im confused The BT65 does 100+ with ease? I have not tried my AT44-10 on a GS @ 100+ as of yet, but hitting a target @ 108yards was like clock work..... and I take out GS @ 80 yards all day long..
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Well I have came to the conclusion that I am not going to get what I want out of a lower end pcp(marauder or bt65) and will just end up dumping a bunch money into it.So I wanted your opinions on what higher end .25 I should get?I am considering the fx bobcat,royale 500,kalibr cricket tactical .25,or possibly a daystate air ranger tactical 50 fpe model.The biggest reason I want the gun is to take pigeons out at long range exceeding 100 yards.It will also be nice to have for jack rabbit and ground squirrel.Anyways lmk what you guys think!The biggest factors for me is shot count and long rance accuracy.
The gun can only do so much you have to have the skills for that, I hunt with guys that have the Bob cat and the Mrod and Myself the Hatsan and the Mrod does 100+ on GS all Day so does the Bobcat and the Hatsan......I have not dump any money into it except a TKO...If you think that you cant make those shots with those guns you are mistaken..
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Well I have came to the conclusion that I am not going to get what I want out of a lower end pcp(marauder or bt65) and will just end up dumping a bunch money into it.So I wanted your opinions on what higher end .25 I should get?I am considering the fx bobcat,royale 500,kalibr cricket tactical .25,or possibly a daystate air ranger tactical 50 fpe model.The biggest reason I want the gun is to take pigeons out at long range exceeding 100 yards.It will also be nice to have for jack rabbit and ground squirrel.Anyways lmk what you guys think!The biggest factors for me is shot count and long rance accuracy.
The gun can only do so much you have to have the skills for that, I hunt with guys that have the Bob cat and the Mrod and Myself the Hatsan and the Mrod does 100+ on GS all Day so does the Bobcat and the Hatsan......I have not dump any money into it except a TKO...If you think that you cant make those shots with those guns you are mistaken..
It is the shot count I am worried about.I have shot the bt65 numerous times and is is a great gun but also an air hog.I also want a low extreme spread(minimal flyers etc).I have taken pigeons at 90yds with my discovery but is it ideal,probably shouldn't make a habit of it.
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The truth is I am a very fanatical person LOL.
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Well I have came to the conclusion that I am not going to get what I want out of a lower end pcp(marauder or bt65) and will just end up dumping a bunch money into it.So I wanted your opinions on what higher end .25 I should get?I am considering the fx bobcat,royale 500,kalibr cricket tactical .25,or possibly a daystate air ranger tactical 50 fpe model.The biggest reason I want the gun is to take pigeons out at long range exceeding 100 yards.It will also be nice to have for jack rabbit and ground squirrel.Anyways lmk what you guys think!The biggest factors for me is shot count and long rance accuracy.
The gun can only do so much you have to have the skills for that, I hunt with guys that have the Bob cat and the Mrod and Myself the Hatsan and the Mrod does 100+ on GS all Day so does the Bobcat and the Hatsan......I have not dump any money into it except a TKO...If you think that you cant make those shots with those guns you are mistaken..
It is the shot count I am worried about.I have shot the bt65 numerous times and is is a great gun but also an air hog.I also want a low extreme spread(minimal flyers etc).I have taken pigeons at 90yds with my discovery but is it ideal,probably shouldn't make a habit of it.
My ES is 12 stock, with a reg its 9, was not worth the reg for a es of 3..... as far as shot count. I only need a high shot count if im shooting targets which I dont do. when im in the field hunting it is rare that I kill over 30 GS or Birds a trip, But I wish you well , you you should have a gun that you are happy with ;D Its about how you tune your gun, those guns come regulated maybe.
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Well I have came to the conclusion that I am not going to get what I want out of a lower end pcp(marauder or bt65) and will just end up dumping a bunch money into it.So I wanted your opinions on what higher end .25 I should get?I am considering the fx bobcat,royale 500,kalibr cricket tactical .25,or possibly a daystate air ranger tactical 50 fpe model.The biggest reason I want the gun is to take pigeons out at long range exceeding 100 yards.It will also be nice to have for jack rabbit and ground squirrel.Anyways lmk what you guys think!The biggest factors for me is shot count and long rance accuracy.
The gun can only do so much you have to have the skills for that, I hunt with guys that have the Bob cat and the Mrod and Myself the Hatsan and the Mrod does 100+ on GS all Day so does the Bobcat and the Hatsan......I have not dump any money into it except a TKO...If you think that you cant make those shots with those guns you are mistaken..
It is the shot count I am worried about.I have shot the bt65 numerous times and is is a great gun but also an air hog.I also want a low extreme spread(minimal flyers etc).I have taken pigeons at 90yds with my discovery but is it ideal,probably shouldn't make a habit of it.
My ES is 12 stock, with a reg its 9, was not worth the reg for a es of 3..... as far as shot count. I only need a high shot count if im shooting targets which I dont do. when im in the field hunting it is rare that I kill over 30 GS or Birds a trip, But I wish you well , you you should have a gun that you are happy with ;D Its about how you tune your gun, those guns come regulated maybe.
12 ES really?That is super good for a 65!My buddys was getting like 18 or 20.The only reason I like a high shot count is because the hunting I do can exceed for hours at a time and I also tend to walk long distances and if I do run out of shots I am screwed.Plus it is nice to know you have it there if you need it.
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Well I have came to the conclusion that I am not going to get what I want out of a lower end pcp(marauder or bt65) and will just end up dumping a bunch money into it.So I wanted your opinions on what higher end .25 I should get?I am considering the fx bobcat,royale 500,kalibr cricket tactical .25,or possibly a daystate air ranger tactical 50 fpe model.The biggest reason I want the gun is to take pigeons out at long range exceeding 100 yards.It will also be nice to have for jack rabbit and ground squirrel.Anyways lmk what you guys think!The biggest factors for me is shot count and long rance accuracy.
The gun can only do so much you have to have the skills for that, I hunt with guys that have the Bob cat and the Mrod and Myself the Hatsan and the Mrod does 100+ on GS all Day so does the Bobcat and the Hatsan......I have not dump any money into it except a TKO...If you think that you cant make those shots with those guns you are mistaken..
It is the shot count I am worried about.I have shot the bt65 numerous times and is is a great gun but also an air hog.I also want a low extreme spread(minimal flyers etc).I have taken pigeons at 90yds with my discovery but is it ideal,probably shouldn't make a habit of it.
My ES is 12 stock, with a reg its 9, was not worth the reg for a es of 3..... as far as shot count. I only need a high shot count if im shooting targets which I dont do. when im in the field hunting it is rare that I kill over 30 GS or Birds a trip, But I wish you well , you you should have a gun that you are happy with ;D Its about how you tune your gun, those guns come regulated maybe.
12 ES really?That is super good for a 65!My buddys was getting like 18 or 20.The only reason I like a high shot count is because the hunting I do can exceed for hours at a time and I also tend to walk long distances and if I do run out of shots I am screwed.Plus it is nice to know you have it there if you need it.
Its on my AT44, but the same will go for the BT65, Its all in the tune.... I will do the valve tune, then with a chrono adjust the hammer spring to the flattest curve you can get... pay attention to the fill pressure during the string and mark where it is for the lowest Es and fill from there every time. and you will get good groups.
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What about an FX Independence in .25?
They're not listed on the AoA site but I know you can order them...
You can recharge to the sweet spot and NEVER run out of air in the field!
Just a thought...
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What about an FX Independence in .25?
They're not listed on the AoA site but I know you can order them...
You can recharge to the sweet spot and NEVER run out of air in the field!
Just a thought...
Didn't actually think about that.I am going to consider that for sure!Thanks for bringing it up!
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What about an FX Independence in .25?
They're not listed on the AoA site but I know you can order them...
You can recharge to the sweet spot and NEVER run out of air in the field!
Just a thought...
Didn't actually think about that.I am going to consider that for sure!Thanks for bringing it up!
They also make the Independence in a bull-pup design called, appropriately enough, the Indy.
The Indy
(http://www10.pic-upload.de/01.03.13/l1pm67lnm1ph.jpg)
The Independence
(http://www.hammerarms.com/independence2.jpg)
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If I was to buy such a gun I would find it extremely hard to look past the Cricket Carbine or BullPup
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Hand made in the USA Americanized Theoben with power and class !!
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I am kinda on the edge with pups as well but the bobcat seems like an exception.I wad told that the bobcat is basically just a royale thrown in a bullpup stock.I like the fact that it is much shorter than the royale guns as well.
Ole Ted sure gets a lot of birds with his Bobcat. That kid can shoot, the amazing thing to me is, he does it thru that scope cam.
Be Well,
Gator
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Well I have came to the conclusion that I am not going to get what I want out of a lower end pcp(marauder or bt65) and will just end up dumping a bunch money into it.So I wanted your opinions on what higher end .25 I should get?I am considering the fx bobcat,royale 500,kalibr cricket tactical .25,or possibly a daystate air ranger tactical 50 fpe model.The biggest reason I want the gun is to take pigeons out at long range exceeding 100 yards.It will also be nice to have for jack rabbit and ground squirrel.Anyways lmk what you guys think!The biggest factors for me is shot count and long rance accuracy.
The gun can only do so much you have to have the skills for that, I hunt with guys that have the Bob cat and the Mrod and Myself the Hatsan and the Mrod does 100+ on GS all Day so does the Bobcat and the Hatsan......I have not dump any money into it except a TKO...If you think that you cant make those shots with those guns you are mistaken..
It is the shot count I am worried about.I have shot the bt65 numerous times and is is a great gun but also an air hog.I also want a low extreme spread(minimal flyers etc).I have taken pigeons at 90yds with my discovery but is it ideal,probably shouldn't make a habit of it.
BT is an air hog, 27 shots on mine.
However, my Galation sips air. 76 shots per fill. Here is something that seems weird (to me at least, being a rookie and all)
But this week, I cronied both the new refurb BT and the Galation both in .25.
First shot in first string 814 fps, last shot at 39, in third string read 861. (Clips hold 13 rounds ) I filled off my blue tank that was down to 180 bar. When I counted out at 39 shots I had 120 bar left in the tank. ◇◆◇◆kind of like it has an INVISABLE regulator.◇◆◇◆◇
She is just breaking in and log book shows 1257 pellets so far. Just before I sent back to Hatsan for warranty, I posted a target in my log book with a 13 shot (.25 ) ragged hole in the 10 zone at 30 yards, .270 ctc and .466. oto
So she is not a bad shooter.
It has what I image a higher end gun has. You can lift the side lever with your pinkie and slide it back with a push of the thumb. It has a very nice rubberized felling skin. That shot gun style stock just fells right. I love it. Air Gun Depot had a kit price of $689.○●○●○●gun, case, sling, trigger lock, 3 clips, air stripper and an extra 255cc air cylinder (the sameone that sells for $169). It seemed like a lot of stuff so I rolled the dice and 3 days later I started smiling.
The End,
Gator
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If it was me (which it was a couple months ago) I would take a serious look at either the Kalibrgun Carbine or Bullpup depending on whether you like traditional rifle styling or the "trendy" bullpup design. These guns are on another level from the ones you mentioned (Mrod, Hatsan) and will best them in just about every category: accuracy, efficiency, build quality, ect. But remember this better quality and performance does not come for free and you will pay a premium for it. But in my opinion after owning 5 other low to mid range PCP's and selling them all that it is worth it to "bite the bullet" and buy quality the first time, but based on your OP I assume that you already know that ;)
My KG BP in .25 cal is a tack driver, it will print 3/8" groups at 50 yards consistently and about 1" at 100 yards, now I'm not saying that a person who has never shot before can pick it up and nail a 1" spinner at 150 yards the first shot but merely the features of the gun (CZ cold hammer-forged barrel, extreme shot to shot consistency ect.) set you up for success. But do not take my word for it, talk is cheap and "internet commandos" can blab all day about their Daisy that shoots sub moa, just do some digging around the net and you will see why these guns have such a following...
Now here is my opinion on why the Kalibr line has the FX500 and just about any other .25 cal PCP beat: Efficiency, accuracy amongst the high end guns is all pretty similar as at that stage the shooter matters alot more than the gun, but based on Jim C.'s review that is posted on AOA's FX500 page the particular 500 he tested (unregulated) got 58 shots with a ES of 78 fps at a avg. velocity of 825 fps, keep that in mind. Being that the KG line is regged it would only be fair to compare a regged FX500, so I looked up a review on one of those here: http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=230246Based (http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=230246Based) on that review his regged 500 filled to 218 bar produced about 76 shots within a reasonable spread of 30 fps and a avg velocity of 871, not bad at all.
In contrast my .25 Kalibrgun BP at it's current reg setting of 120 bar and starting at 210 bar will produce 50 shots on the reg at a avg velocity of 940 fps, a es of about 10-12 fps, and a SD of 1-3. Now you might be thinking that is less than the Royale but remember the velocity of the Kalibrgun is 940 (considerably faster than the royale, therefore consuming more air) ANDDD the KG .25 has a reservoir volume of only 330cc's compared to the royale 500cc's which means it needs less air to be recharged and your SCBA tank will stay full longer or you will not need to pump as much. Now when I lowered my reg pressure to 110 bar and the speed to 900 fps I was getting 60 shots on the reg, if I was to lower it's speed even further to match that of the Royale's(850ish fps) I am sure I would have no problem achieving 70-80 regged shots all off of the 330cc cylinder. The only other production guns I have seen that match this kind of efficiency would be the Edgun Matadors...
So that's my monologue, I hope I have enlightened you to some degree and hopefully helped you in your upcoming decision. Let us know what you decide on, cheers......
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If I was to buy such a gun I would find it extremely hard to look past the Cricket Carbine or BullPup
Didn't you say on the yellow that you would take a bobcat over a cricket?
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If it was me (which it was a couple months ago) I would take a serious look at either the Kalibrgun Carbine or Bullpup depending on whether you like traditional rifle styling or the "trendy" bullpup design. These guns are on another level from the ones you mentioned (Mrod, Hatsan) and will best them in just about every category: accuracy, efficiency, build quality, ect. But remember this better quality and performance does not come for free and you will pay a premium for it. But in my opinion after owning 5 other low to mid range PCP's and selling them all that it is worth it to "bite the bullet" and buy quality the first time, but based on your OP I assume that you already know that ;)
My KG BP in .25 cal is a tack driver, it will print 3/8" groups at 50 yards consistently and about 1" at 100 yards, now I'm not saying that a person who has never shot before can pick it up and nail a 1" spinner at 150 yards the first shot but merely the features of the gun (CZ cold hammer-forged barrel, extreme shot to shot consistency ect.) set you up for success. But do not take my word for it, talk is cheap and "internet commandos" can blab all day about their Daisy that shoots sub moa, just do some digging around the net and you will see why these guns have such a following...
Now here is my opinion on why the Kalibr line has the FX500 and just about any other .25 cal PCP beat: Efficiency, accuracy amongst the high end guns is all pretty similar as at that stage the shooter matters alot more than the gun, but based on Jim C.'s review that is posted on AOA's FX500 page the particular 500 he tested (unregulated) got 58 shots with a ES of 78 fps at a avg. velocity of 825 fps, keep that in mind. Being that the KG line is regged it would only be fair to compare a regged FX500, so I looked up a review on one of those here: http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=230246Based (http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=230246Based) on that review his regged 500 filled to 218 bar produced about 76 shots within a reasonable spread of 30 fps and a avg velocity of 871, not bad at all.
In contrast my .25 Kalibrgun BP at it's current reg setting of 120 bar and starting at 210 bar will produce 50 shots on the reg at a avg velocity of 940 fps, a es of about 10-12 fps, and a SD of 1-3. Now you might be thinking that is less than the Royale but remember the velocity of the Kalibrgun is 940 (considerably faster than the royale, therefore consuming more air) ANDDD the KG .25 has a reservoir volume of only 330cc's compared to the royale 500cc's which means it needs less air to be recharged and your SCBA tank will stay full longer or you will not need to pump as much. Now when I lowered my reg pressure to 110 bar and the speed to 900 fps I was getting 60 shots on the reg, if I was to lower it's speed even further to match that of the Royale's(850ish fps) I am sure I would have no problem achieving 70-80 regged shots all off of the 330cc cylinder. The only other production guns I have seen that match this kind of efficiency would be the Edgun Matadors...
So that's my monologue, I hope I have enlightened you to some degree and hopefully helped you in your upcoming decision. Let us know what you decide on, cheers......
Thank you for your input I appreciate it!That gives the courage to really look closely into that line of guns.
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If I was to buy such a gun I would find it extremely hard to look past the Cricket Carbine or BullPup
Didn't you say on the yellow that you would take a bobcat over a cricket?
Not I,
got me confused with someone else, never been an FX fan
I shot my friend's .30 Bobcat and it's not even a Bullpup, I'm not a huge fan of FX guns, they seem very accurate with JSB but that's all they like, I prefer guns that aren't that pellet dependant
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If I was to buy such a gun I would find it extremely hard to look past the Cricket Carbine or BullPup
Didn't you say on the yellow that you would take a bobcat over a cricket?
Not I,
got me confused with someone else, never been an FX fan
I shot my friend's .30 Bobcat and it's not even a Bullpup, I'm not a huge fan of FX guns, they seem very accurate with JSB but that's all they like, I prefer guns that aren't that pellet dependant
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/thread/1387409683/As+promised...pics+of+my+new+Bobcat+.25+-- (http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/thread/1387409683/As+promised...pics+of+my+new+Bobcat+.25+--))++Ain't+she+beautiful!
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Where would I go about purchasing an Edgun matador?Also how much does the r3 long in the grey/synthetic run?
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Contact Edgun representative USA Tony Rudenko- trudenko@yahoo.com
He has them in stock, ready to go.
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If I was to buy such a gun I would find it extremely hard to look past the Cricket Carbine or BullPup
Didn't you say on the yellow that you would take a bobcat over a cricket?
Not I,
got me confused with someone else, never been an FX fan
I shot my friend's .30 Bobcat and it's not even a Bullpup, I'm not a huge fan of FX guns, they seem very accurate with JSB but that's all they like, I prefer guns that aren't that pellet dependant
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/thread/1387409683/As+promised...pics+of+my+new+Bobcat+.25+-- (http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/thread/1387409683/As+promised...pics+of+my+new+Bobcat+.25+--))++Ain't+she+beautiful!
PS the shoot count is not high, My friend nappyman has one, I shot it and is a very nice gun, but if you are looking for shot count that is not it. You might want to IM him and ask about it..Its an awesome gun he takes GS 100+ yards on our hunts..
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If I was to buy such a gun I would find it extremely hard to look past the Cricket Carbine or BullPup
Didn't you say on the yellow that you would take a bobcat over a cricket?
Not I,
got me confused with someone else, never been an FX fan
I shot my friend's .30 Bobcat and it's not even a Bullpup, I'm not a huge fan of FX guns, they seem very accurate with JSB but that's all they like, I prefer guns that aren't that pellet dependant
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/thread/1387409683/As+promised...pics+of+my+new+Bobcat+.25+-- (http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/thread/1387409683/As+promised...pics+of+my+new+Bobcat+.25+--))++Ain't+she+beautiful!
PS the shoot count is not high, My friend nappyman has one, I shot it and is a very nice gun, but if you are looking for shot count that is not it. You might want to IM him and ask about it..Its an awesome gun he takes GS 100+ yards on our hunts..
I think his is a 30 cal with the short tube right?I have read that the .25 regulated with the extended tube will produce upwards of 80 shots.
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yes his is a .30 you might be right about the .25 I have not shot the .25
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If I was to buy such a gun I would find it extremely hard to look past the Cricket Carbine or BullPup
Didn't you say on the yellow that you would take a bobcat over a cricket?
Not I,
got me confused with someone else, never been an FX fan
I shot my friend's .30 Bobcat and it's not even a Bullpup, I'm not a huge fan of FX guns, they seem very accurate with JSB but that's all they like, I prefer guns that aren't that pellet dependant
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/thread/1387409683/As+promised...pics+of+my+new+Bobcat+.25+-- (http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/thread/1387409683/As+promised...pics+of+my+new+Bobcat+.25+--))++Ain't+she+beautiful!
since than I shot more FX and realised the pellet thing, and seen the Bobcat inside (scary how the engineered that )
main complain on the Cricket was the safety (but the rifle came out and has a safety) and the loading action ( I'm spoiled with the butter smooth Evanix system)
For what you where looking for stated on the O.P. the Cricket might be good for you,...I personally would never buy one, not my cup of tea :)
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What about an FX Independence in .25?
They're not listed on the AoA site but I know you can order them...
You can recharge to the sweet spot and NEVER run out of air in the field!
Just a thought...
AOA does indeed carry the Independence though it's listed under the FX guns as the "Indy". The .25 version goes for $1995.
If you really want a High End .25 caliber airgun, then you just can't beat DayState. The quality and workmanship is 2nd to none. At the moment, the DayState Air Ranger .25 @ 50 FPE is on sale for $1795. DayState also makes the Regal XL in .25 cal which is also on sale for $1295. That Regal XL only weighs 7.05 lbs, has a gorgeous wood stock, and is aimed at users who hunt. If money is no object, then go with the DayState Air Ranger Extreme .25 @ 80 FPE for $2598. Straight Shooters also sells the DayState Air Ranger .25 @ 50 FPE and they are currently offering FREE shipping with the purchase of the gun. That's a heck of a deal.
If you purchase a DayState from AOA, you can always ask them to tune the energy up or down.
I will note that I have a .30 FX Bobcat and I haven't found it to be pellet fussy at all. I have tried 2 of the 3 pellets available in .30 caliber (the FX 46.30 grain and JSB 44.75 grain) and they shoot extremely well. The only pellet I have yet to try is the heavier JSB 50.15 grain pellet so I can't comment on those (DayState sells the Emperor .303 50.15 grain pellets which are exactly the same as the JSB 50.15 grain pellets as far as I can tell).
Hope that helps.
Scott
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I went the .25 cal. Cricket route. All I can say is the rifle is phenomenal! Without a doubt, it delivers everything promised.
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What about an FX Independence in .25?
They're not listed on the AoA site but I know you can order them...
You can recharge to the sweet spot and NEVER run out of air in the field!
Just a thought...
AOA does indeed carry the Independence though it's listed under the FX guns as the "Indy". The .25 version goes for $1995.
If you really want a High End .25 caliber airgun, then you just can't beat DayState. The quality and workmanship is 2nd to none. At the moment, the DayState Air Ranger .25 @ 50 FPE is on sale for $1795. DayState also makes the Regal XL in .25 cal which is also on sale for $1295. That Regal XL only weighs 7.05 lbs, has a gorgeous wood stock, and is aimed at users who hunt. If money is no object, then go with the DayState Air Ranger Extreme .25 @ 80 FPE for $2598. Straight Shooters also sells the DayState Air Ranger .25 @ 50 FPE and they are currently offering FREE shipping with the purchase of the gun. That's a heck of a deal.
If you purchase a DayState from AOA, you can always ask them to tune the energy up or down.
I will note that I have a .30 FX Bobcat and I haven't found it to be pellet fussy at all. I have tried 2 of the 3 pellets available in .30 caliber (the FX 46.30 grain and JSB 44.75 grain) and they shoot extremely well. The only pellet I have yet to try is the heavier JSB 50.15 grain pellet so I can't comment on those (DayState sells the Emperor .303 50.15 grain pellets which are exactly the same as the JSB 50.15 grain pellets as far as I can tell).
Hope that helps.
Scott
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Scott,
I have to agree, $1, 800 for a Daystate Air Ranger mechanical is a sensible, highest of the high end, in that price range. The resale are well known ☆☆☆☆good investments★★★★
Isn't that the gun that Kip from AOA just won the 50 yard BR a few months ago., Bone stock AOA claims.
I want to thank you for that. That might very well be my Christmas present to ME ME ME ME, LOL.
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I shot some groups for you this morning with my .25 cricket in a attempt to "qualify" my previous statements ;). I set a old cereal box out at aprox. 100 yards. The wind felt nearly non existent but when shooting I could see the heat waves gently shifting from left to right, so while conditions were not perfect they were good enough. I shot two groups, first one was 5 shots and the second one was 4. After I brought the target in I set a box out at the same place the target was to give a perspective from my bench and a view through the laser range-finder.
The dot next to the red arrow is the target:
(http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j439/pyroboy33/accuracy/1406936542670_zpsx5uc5p4q.jpg)
(http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j439/pyroboy33/accuracy/IMG_20140801_163103_zpsnqhpiejf.jpg)
And here is the first group of 5:
(http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j439/pyroboy33/accuracy/IMG_20140801_164744_zpsowqgqwzw.jpg)
And the second of 4:
(http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j439/pyroboy33/accuracy/IMG_20140801_164757_zpsbynktjha.jpg)
And here are both of them with a tape measure for reference:
(http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j439/pyroboy33/accuracy/IMG_20140801_165031_zpslzup2pvs.jpg)
(http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j439/pyroboy33/accuracy/IMG_20140801_165314_zpsa2byv2tv.jpg)
The first one was about 1 and 1/8" ctc and the second was about 7/8" ctc. So you can average them out to 1". Hope this helps cheers
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What about an FX Independence in .25?
They're not listed on the AoA site but I know you can order them...
You can recharge to the sweet spot and NEVER run out of air in the field!
Just a thought...
AOA does indeed carry the Independence though it's listed under the FX guns as the "Indy". The .25 version goes for $1995.
If you really want a High End .25 caliber airgun, then you just can't beat DayState. The quality and workmanship is 2nd to none. At the moment, the DayState Air Ranger .25 @ 50 FPE is on sale for $1795. DayState also makes the Regal XL in .25 cal which is also on sale for $1295. That Regal XL only weighs 7.05 lbs, has a gorgeous wood stock, and is aimed at users who hunt. If money is no object, then go with the DayState Air Ranger Extreme .25 @ 80 FPE for $2598. Straight Shooters also sells the DayState Air Ranger .25 @ 50 FPE and they are currently offering FREE shipping with the purchase of the gun. That's a heck of a deal.
If you purchase a DayState from AOA, you can always ask them to tune the energy up or down.
I will note that I have a .30 FX Bobcat and I haven't found it to be pellet fussy at all. I have tried 2 of the 3 pellets available in .30 caliber (the FX 46.30 grain and JSB 44.75 grain) and they shoot extremely well. The only pellet I have yet to try is the heavier JSB 50.15 grain pellet so I can't comment on those (DayState sells the Emperor .303 50.15 grain pellets which are exactly the same as the JSB 50.15 grain pellets as far as I can tell).
Hope that helps.
Scott
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Scott,
I have to agree, $1, 800 for a Daystate Air Ranger mechanical is a sensible, highest of the high end, in that price range. The resale are well known ☆☆☆☆good investments★★★★
Isn't that the gun that Kip from AOA just won the 50 yard BR a few months ago., Bone stock AOA claims.
I want to thank you for that. That might very well be my Christmas present to ME ME ME ME, LOL.
Gator,
You were close. The rifle Kip used to win the 50 yd BR with was a factory spec (unmodified) .22 DayState Air Wolf MCT, the electronic brother of the Air Ranger.
The Air Wolf MCT costs $803 more than the standard Air Ranger. However, the Air Wolf MCT and Air Ranger Extreme both cost the same price of $2598.
Scott
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I shot some groups for you this morning with my .25 cricket in a attempt to "qualify" my previous statements ;). I set a old cereal box out at aprox. 100 yards. The wind felt nearly non existent but when shooting I could see the heat waves gently shifting from left to right, so while conditions were not perfect they were good enough. I shot two groups, first one was 5 shots and the second one was 4. After I brought the target in I set a box out at the same place the target was to give a perspective from my bench and a view through the laser range-finder.
The dot next to the red arrow is the target:
(http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j439/pyroboy33/accuracy/1406936542670_zpsx5uc5p4q.jpg)
(http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j439/pyroboy33/accuracy/IMG_20140801_163103_zpsnqhpiejf.jpg)
And here is the first group of 5:
(http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j439/pyroboy33/accuracy/IMG_20140801_164744_zpsowqgqwzw.jpg)
And the second of 4:
(http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j439/pyroboy33/accuracy/IMG_20140801_164757_zpsbynktjha.jpg)
And here are both of them with a tape measure for reference:
(http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j439/pyroboy33/accuracy/IMG_20140801_165031_zpslzup2pvs.jpg)
(http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j439/pyroboy33/accuracy/IMG_20140801_165314_zpsa2byv2tv.jpg)
The first one was about 1 and 1/8" ctc and the second was about 7/8" ctc. So you can average them out to 1". Hope this helps cheers
not bad at all, I like the cereal box lol I have to do that when I go out tomorrow. You dont think those groups had any thing to do with that leprechaun ;)
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I have a .25 cal. Cricket that has been great. 220 Bar fill down to 110 Bar, with 48 shots, 25.39 gr. JSB @ 964 fps. average. So impressed with it that I ordered a Hummingbird .22 to replace the Maurader .22, that I've already sold.
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Good afternoon gentlemen,
May I suggest that we who wish to establish bragging rights, (which I am sure is most of us) that from here on out we use the same target.
The link I post here is the offical Extreme Bench Rest target for Arizona event. The use of targets made from old CDs to now, ceral boxes, lacks uniformity for positive comparison. I think that owners of $1500 plus rifles can surely afford to print out a few offical targets. They use a 1/2" 10 spot center and of course drop off on 1/2" rings downwards, 9 8 7 6.
If we are all on the same target, it not only makes sense, but offers a "REALISTIC" way to compare our shooting with that of the top US and International competitors. If this does not make sense then my ideas therefore sux. However, if it seems reasonable why dont we try it. I dont currently own a gun in that price category but for those of us in the lower price range, we can still compare our rifles with the big boys.
Simply follow down the page a bit until you see targets and stop and print it out. They are Adobe PFD format, which even my phone can read and bluetooth to a printer.
http://www.extremebenchrest.com/extreme-benchrest-rules/ (http://www.extremebenchrest.com/extreme-benchrest-rules/)
Also (2013 Results) this link there is a comprehensive list of the Pro and Sportsman class E B.R. shooters, their rifles and their glass. The top 10 were all Daystate and FX and a Mac 1. A Cricket at 11th shows promise.
You may wish to take note that an M-Rod edged out the other Cricket for 2nd to last. Now I realize that was an older Cricket but I am guessing it was also an older $550 Maurder, that of course was most likely highly modified?
What that list told me was it is good to be an FX a Daystate in 2013. A new match is coming soon and I for one am curious to see who has what it takes this year?
Be Well,
Gator
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So missing the boat ....
For those who have never heard of RAW ... Drool baby drool
(https://www.rapidairweapons.com/xcart/image.php?type=A&id=9)
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Good afternoon gentlemen,
May I suggest that we who wish to establish bragging rights, (which I am sure is most of us) that from here on out we use the same target.
The link I post here is the offical Extreme Bench Rest target for Arizona event. The use of targets made from old CDs to now, ceral boxes, lacks uniformity for positive comparison. I think that owners of $1500 plus rifles can surely afford to print out a few offical targets. They use a 1/2" 10 spot center and of course drop off on 1/2" rings downwards, 9 8 7 6.
If we are all on the same target, it not only makes sense, but offers a "REALISTIC" way to compare our shooting with that of the top US and International competitors. If this does not make sense then my ideas therefore sux. However, if it seems reasonable why dont we try it. I dont currently own a gun in that price category but for those of us in the lower price range, we can still compare our rifles with the big boys.
Simply follow down the page a bit until you see targets and stop and print it out. They are Adobe PFD format, which even my phone can read and bluetooth to a printer.
http://www.extremebenchrest.com/extreme-benchrest-rules/ (http://www.extremebenchrest.com/extreme-benchrest-rules/)
Also (2013 Results) this link there is a comprehensive list of the Pro and Sportsman class E B.R. shooters, their rifles and their glass. The top 10 were all Daystate and FX and a Mac 1. A Cricket at 11th shows promise.
You may wish to take note that an M-Rod edged out the other Cricket for 2nd to last. Now I realize that was an older Cricket but I am guessing it was also an older $550 Maurder, that of course was most likely highly modified?
What that list told me was it is good to be an FX a Daystate in 2013. A new match is coming soon and I for one am curious to see who has what it takes this year?
Be Well,
Gator
Noted on the target, from now on I will use either the ebr or some other "official" looking target. However I'm not quite sure how a c-t-c measurement in inches is not a "REALISTIC" enough comparison method for you ???
I personally do not think there is much that can be learned from the EBR except for the skill of the shooters and AOA's affinity for promoting Daystate and FX products ;). Put it this way: you can give a crappy shooter a excellent gun and give a excellent shooter a mediocre gun, and I would bet that the excellent shooter would still win. Anyway upon viewing the results of multiple 100 meter matches in the Netherlands it's clear to see that a BSA Lonestar would be a excellent choice for long range BR gun. However if you wish to base your next purchase off the EBR go right ahead, because it is obvious to see in the results that the Mrod is far more accurate than the cricket and will most likely shoot much better at long range ;) I mean results don't lie right?
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Well I have came to the conclusion that I am not going to get what I want out of a lower end pcp(marauder or bt65) and will just end up dumping a bunch money into it.So I wanted your opinions on what higher end .25 I should get?I am considering the fx bobcat,royale 500,kalibr cricket tactical .25,or possibly a daystate air ranger tactical 50 fpe model.The biggest reason I want the gun is to take pigeons out at long range exceeding 100 yards.It will also be nice to have for jack rabbit and ground squirrel.Anyways lmk what you guys think!The biggest factors for me is shot count and long rance accuracy.
Just got email, not sure if this would interest you, but I have heard positive things about these people.
http://jimfromprecisionairguns.blogspot.com/2014/08/daystate-mk4-with-air-stream-special.html (http://jimfromprecisionairguns.blogspot.com/2014/08/daystate-mk4-with-air-stream-special.html)
Be Well,
Gator
Ya know Motorhead may be on to something, Rapid Air has a .357 big bore now. You said you wanted to go hunting.
https://www.rapidairweapons.com/xcart/home.php (https://www.rapidairweapons.com/xcart/home.php)
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Just got email, not sure if this would interest you, but I have heard positive things about these people.
http://jimfromprecisionairguns.blogspot.com/2014/08/daystate-mk4-with-air-stream-special.html (http://jimfromprecisionairguns.blogspot.com/2014/08/daystate-mk4-with-air-stream-special.html)
Be Well,
Gator
Jim (and Nancy) at Precision Airguns & Supply are truly good folks. I bought both my DayState and FX Bobcat from Precision Airguns. Jim once drove 30 minutes at the end of the day to get my DayState to the UPS man so it could be delivered the following morning. You don't find that kind of customer service anymore but you do at PA.
Scott
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Just got email, not sure if this would interest you, but I have heard positive things about these people.
http://jimfromprecisionairguns.blogspot.com/2014/08/daystate-mk4-with-air-stream-special.html (http://jimfromprecisionairguns.blogspot.com/2014/08/daystate-mk4-with-air-stream-special.html)
Be Well,
Gator
Jim (and Nancy) at Precision Airguns & Supply are truly good folks. I bought both my DayState and FX Bobcat from Precision Airguns. Jim once drove 30 minutes at the end of the day to get my DayState to the UPS man so it could be delivered the following morning. You don't find that kind of customer service anymore but you do at PA.
Scott
Good to know Scott,
One of those two brands will be my higher end purchase. Probably Daystate, if I spend that extra money, I want to buy an established brand that I could easily sell if it if it doesn't suit me.
It's easier to sell a Mercedes then an Infinity yet both are great cars. Well, except for that 2001 S Class I had. I traded it off because no one could figure out the intermittent starting issue it had. So I believe in brand names for pricer items.
Be Well,
Gator
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Just got email, not sure if this would interest you, but I have heard positive things about these people.
http://jimfromprecisionairguns.blogspot.com/2014/08/daystate-mk4-with-air-stream-special.html (http://jimfromprecisionairguns.blogspot.com/2014/08/daystate-mk4-with-air-stream-special.html)
Be Well,
Gator
Jim (and Nancy) at Precision Airguns & Supply are truly good folks. I bought both my DayState and FX Bobcat from Precision Airguns. Jim once drove 30 minutes at the end of the day to get my DayState to the UPS man so it could be delivered the following morning. You don't find that kind of customer service anymore but you do at PA.
Scott
Good to know Scott,
One of those two brands will be my higher end purchase. Probably Daystate, if I spend that extra money, I want to buy an established brand that I could easily sell if it if it doesn't suit me.
It's easier to sell a Mercedes then an Infinity yet both are great cars. Well, except for that 2001 S Class I had. I traded it off because no one could figure out the intermittent starting issue it had. So I believe in brand names for pricer items.
Be Well,
Gator
Gator,
I'm selling my 3 month old .22 DayState MK4 Target with Huggett so I can buy either the new Limited Edition Daystate Wolverine Super Grade SE or the Steyer LG110 High Power. Hit me up if interested.
Scott
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Just got email, not sure if this would interest you, but I have heard positive things about these people.
http://jimfromprecisionairguns.blogspot.com/2014/08/daystate-mk4-with-air-stream-special.html (http://jimfromprecisionairguns.blogspot.com/2014/08/daystate-mk4-with-air-stream-special.html)
Be Well,
Gator
Jim (and Nancy) at Precision Airguns & Supply are truly good folks. I bought both my DayState and FX Bobcat from Precision Airguns. Jim once drove 30 minutes at the end of the day to get my DayState to the UPS man so it could be delivered the following morning. You don't find that kind of customer service anymore but you do at PA.
Scott
Good to know Scott,
One of those two brands will be my higher end purchase. Probably Daystate, if I spend that extra money, I want to buy an established brand that I could easily sell if it if it doesn't suit me.
It's easier to sell a Mercedes then an Infinity yet both are great cars. Well, except for that 2001 S Class I had. I traded it off because no one could figure out the intermittent starting issue it had. So I believe in brand names for pricer items.
Be Well,
Gator
Gator,
I'm selling my 3 month old .22 DayState MK4 Target with Huggett so I can buy either the new Limited Edition Daystate Wolverine Super Grade SE or the Steyer LG110 High Power. Hit me up if interested.
Scott
Thanks Scott,
I am sure yours is spotless, but the .22 is not perfect for me.
Be Well,
Gator