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Airguns by Make and Model => Weihrauch Airguns => Topic started by: AB173 on October 21, 2013, 05:33:42 PM
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I am pretty close to my selection of a HW30S in .177. I think this little rifle would serve me well.It would be my first AG so I have zero knowledge. Where is the best place to purchase this rifle and the cocking insert that I have been reading so much about ? I am considering mounting the Hawke 2x7x32 on it also so mounting recomendations are called for also.I was considering Williams peep but with my old eyes and glasses,I doubt that would work. Is the cocking insert easy to install? I have no spring compresser.
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You have not said what gun will be used for, but I think an HW 30 would be a nice gun. I recently purchasd the HW50 and like it a bunch, it's a quality gun and shoots well. I'm considering an HW 30 as my next purchase.
I have 4 Hawke scopes and all are nice units.
PyramidAir is a great place to at least start and they stand in back of their guns.
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Check Airguns of Arizona for free shipping on HW's if that is still going on. Be aware there are potential customer service issues and sometimes they are difficult to reach. Do not email, do not backorder. If they have it NIB and you order over the phone it should be fine. Excellent rifle and scope selection. 2-7x32 is my fave right now. Do take a look at the HW 50s as well; a little more4 horsepower in just a slightly bigger package. Don't fret the cocking insert unless your gun really needs it. My newish 50s is just fine the way it is. Best, tk
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Insert. http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251488/3216416.htm (http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251488/3216416.htm)
Installation. http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=32810.msg305463#msg305463 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=32810.msg305463#msg305463)
I have the 2-7X32 Hawke on mine with Burris Signature rings. The objective is about 1/8 inch off the tube.
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Welcome to the GTA!
I am the proud new owner of a gently used HW30S .22 cal
It is a fun little shooter, and I have not scoped it yet. Your selection of .177 cal. is probably a wise choice for this model.
Since you mentioned that this is your first, be advised that it is not a power house, like some of the other offerings you may have read about here. It is light-weight, very well made, and with proper care should serve you well for many years.
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The hw30 is an excellent choice for most any target shooting, plinking and small game hunting inside of 30 yards. IMHO it is best in .177 too. Very accurate and well made. You are avoiding my mistake of trying a Gamo by going for HW quality in your first gun. Wise decision.
The cocking lever insert is a nice to have. Not a must have. The gun shoots the same with or without. The rubbing bugged me so I put one in both of my R7s.
R
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go for it! Both of your choices are excellent and will serve you well. The 30s is a sweet little AG that will give you many years of Shooting pleasure....in fact it's an AG you can hand down through the years.
I have a "How Too Simplified" tutorial posted in this gate should you decide too go with an insert. I would post the link myself but the machine i'm using right now is not user friendly.....perhaps another member will post it here.Some guns rub more than others so wait and see. Should you require any help or have any questions please feel free to shoot me a pm.
Happy Shootin
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Welcome To The GTA!
Petey
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Good combo, go for it !
One remark, also make sure you buy decent pellets, this means you generally end up in buying JSB, H&N or RWS.
Have fun with it !
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Excellent choice. I just purchased my my HW30S and cannot put this rifle down. The accuracy is amazing, easy to cock and not hold sensitive at all. I have a Center Point 3-9 X 32 mounted at this time.
I purchased my rifle from Airguns of Arizona and had no issues. I walked into the store to order it. Shipped in good packaging.
I too, started this hobby (addiction) with Gamo and sorry I didn't start with such fine workmanship as Weihrauch.
Good luck on your choice.
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EMRidier, how do you like your Vortek? compared to stock spring?
The hw30 is an excellent choice for most any target shooting, plinking and small game hunting inside of 30 yards. IMHO it is best in .177 too. Very accurate and well made. You are avoiding my mistake of trying a Gamo by going for HW quality in your first gun. Wise decision.
The cocking lever insert is a nice to have. Not a must have. The gun shoots the same with or without. The rubbing bugged me so I put one in both of my R7s.
R
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I purchased a new HW30S earlier this year. It is a fun, addictive rifle to shoot. Mine occasionally rubs but a dab of grease on the contact area smoothed it out. I would not worry about it.
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Thank you for all the replies and the help you have given me and it's nice to know that you will be there for me if I need help with anything. This air gun thing is all new to me and I have been all up and down the board on models and never to sure about any of them. It pains me that you have to pay good money for a rifle and turn around and spend more or tear it apart to fix it so that issues can be resolved.But I see that if one chooses the air rifle game then one must be prepared to learn much more about them then just pulling the trigger.I'm 66 years old and have been shooting many different firearms all my life but these pellet launchers are very new to me.The last time I shot air was with an old Benji BB gun.
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I'm 66 years old and have been shooting many different firearms all my life but these pellet launchers are very new to me.
On this forum you're a young whippersnapper (to some, me) ;D ;D ;D
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EMRidier, how do you like your Vortek? compared to stock spring?
The hw30 is an excellent choice for most any target shooting, plinking and small game hunting inside of 30 yards. IMHO it is best in .177 too. Very accurate and well made. You are avoiding my mistake of trying a Gamo by going for HW quality in your first gun. Wise decision.
The cocking lever insert is a nice to have. Not a must have. The gun shoots the same with or without. The rubbing bugged me so I put one in both of my R7s.
R
One of my R7s has a vortek kit and the other has JM spring, guide and seal.
I have a slight preference for the JM kitted gun. Shoots with a bit less power, but is smoother and has a more mellow (less snappy) shot cycle.
In absolute terms, the R7 is improved by and shoots well with either kit.
Rob
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Are thes spring kits easy to install without a spring compressor since the R7 or HW30s has a weaker spring force?
EMRidier, how do you like your Vortek? compared to stock spring?
The hw30 is an excellent choice for most any target shooting, plinking and small game hunting inside of 30 yards. IMHO it is best in .177 too. Very accurate and well made. You are avoiding my mistake of trying a Gamo by going for HW quality in your first gun. Wise decision.
The cocking lever insert is a nice to have. Not a must have. The gun shoots the same with or without. The rubbing bugged me so I put one in both of my R7s.
R
One of my R7s has a vortek kit and the other has JM spring, guide and seal.
I have a slight preference for the JM kitted gun. Shoots with a bit less power, but is smoother and has a more mellow (less snappy) shot cycle.
In absolute terms, the R7 is improved by and shoots well with either kit.
Rob
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The 30S/R7 is low powered due to short swept volume not so much a weak spring. Use a compressor as the end block is retained with a screw.
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The 30S/R7 is low powered due to short swept volume not so much a weak spring. Use a compressor as the end block is retained with a screw.
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I found it quite difficult (and somewhat dangerous) to try and replace an R7 spring without a compressor. Very easy with a compressor.
Rob
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Forgive me for not getting back to you in order to thank all of you for your helpfulness.I had to go pull a little stay in the hospital since they found a blood clot in my broken leg.All is well for now,hopefully,All the more reason to have an air rifle that I can shoot from the porch instead of going out back to my range. I know the HW30s sounds like a nice rifle and I wonder if I would have buyer's remorse by not considering the HW50s as well.Your thoughts?
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Well I have an HW50 with a Hawke Panorama scope and weight is 8.4 lbs . I'm very long in the tooth and while I have read others say the cocking effort was difficult but I did not find it bad.
I think HW30 is a very nice/handy gun to start with and if reports I have read about the 30 it may be all the gun you need.
If more gun is needed later the 30 would be very easy to sell. (or the start of a collection)
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Forgive me for not getting back to you in order to thank all of you for your helpfulness.I had to go pull a little stay in the hospital since they found a blood clot in my broken leg.All is well for now,hopefully,All the more reason to have an air rifle that I can shoot from the porch instead of going out back to my range. I know the HW30s sounds like a nice rifle and I wonder if I would have buyer's remorse by not considering the HW50s as well.Your thoughts?
I purchased both, out of the box the HW30s has a fantastic shot cycle and trigger. I installed a peep sight and it works great with the front globe. Based on the experience with the HW30s I wanted its 12ftlb bigger brother for a scope the, HW50s.
I would not recommend the HW50s *unless* your prepared to open it up soon after purchase and invest another $40-$100 in parts or a kit. My sample was more twangy than the dozens of out of the box Chinese clones I have shot. Now some have said ignore it and shoot it and its fine, I don't doubt that for a minute just because it has a twangy shot cycle does not mean the excellent barrel or trigger are defeated. Its just not the experience of the out of the box HW30s. You really need to have a HW30s or R7, otherwise you may never know what it *can* be like.
After saying that, I'm into my HW50s for around $600 with scope and Vortek kit. I have nothing in spring guns that can touch it for 12ftlbs and do not regret it at all. I still say buy the HW30s though, if you find you want to reach farther then add the HW50s.
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What distance are you going to shoot at? If it is more than 25 yards go with the 50. I have both and the only downside to the 50 is the cocking effort for the power. Not difficult just close to 95/34 range. JM makes a plinkers kit for the 50 that I hear does about 8-8.5 fpe so that could be an option. A little more power than the 30 in a full size gun.
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What distance are you going to shoot at? If it is more than 25 yards go with the 50. I have both and the only downside to the 50 is the cocking effort for the power. Not difficult just close to 95/34 range. JM makes a plinkers kit for the 50 that I hear does about 8-8.5 fpe so that could be an option. A little more power than the 30 in a full size gun.
In all honesty,if I wanted to shoot much past 30 yards,I would probably grab my CZ455 American 22LR. as I do considerable off hand and bench work from 50 yards with that rifle.But for just sitting on the back porch and popping off tin cans,flies and critters that like to eat small holes in my sheds looking for a place to call home for the winter,most shots would be from zero to maybe 20 or 30 yards.I wouldn't have to worry about my 22lr's traveling into the next farm over.
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Oh and as an added thought,what is the trigger pull length on the 30s and 50s ? I prefer a trigger length of about 12-3/4" to maybe 13-1/2" and style of stock usually governs what feels best.I do shoot the usual factory rifles which usually come to long for most at 14" or so.I can adapt if not to overly long but in some instances,I have cut the stock to fit and that is usually on a hunting rifle while wearing winter hunting coats.
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30S about 14", 50S about 14.5".
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30S about 14", 50S about 14.5".
Thanks Jim. That helps also. Looks like I'll be getting the 30 over the 50 for that reason and of course for other reasons as well . It sure sounds like a good place to start and will present not only myself,but my wife as well, with a nice air rifle that we both can share.I can only go up from there and if I know me,I will probably add another air rifle along the way.
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I have small hands and I ordered set back triggers for them, never noticed the length of pull to be honest. With my diminutive hands to get the pad of my finger on I had to get these set back blades, the length of pull was fine for me and I'm 5' 7".
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I have small hands and I ordered set back triggers for them, never noticed the length of pull to be honest. With my diminutive hands to get the pad of my finger on I had to get these set back blades, the length of pull was fine for me and I'm 5' 7".
Thanks Huklbery,
That's all I am also,5'7", so you know where I am coming from. Thanks for the extra mile in taking a picture for me and using the tape measure to view the trigger pull lengh clearly.Your set back trigger would give the ideal length for me.Sure is something to think about should I go that route.It beats cutting into a perfect stock.
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It's not the pull though, the 30 is youth sized and the 50 is still well under a RWS Diana 34 in size. It's the straight blade trigger, from the wrist of the rifle its quite long for small hands. To be honest I had forgotten that I had done that and only remembered when you asked about the pull length.
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EMRidier, how do you like your Vortek? compared to stock spring?
The hw30 is an excellent choice for most any target shooting, plinking and small game hunting inside of 30 yards. IMHO it is best in .177 too. Very accurate and well made. You are avoiding my mistake of trying a Gamo by going for HW quality in your first gun. Wise decision.
The cocking lever insert is a nice to have. Not a must have. The gun shoots the same with or without. The rubbing bugged me so I put one in both of my R7s.
R
I had an email conversation with Tom of Vortek. He told me the installation of a PG2 kit would eliminate the need for the cocking lever insert mod. He said he has never seen any galling in any R7 with a PG2 kit installed. I have the PG2 kit in my R7 .20 and haven't had any issues with the cocking lever
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Thanks Rico14, good to know.
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Ray,
The suspense is killin' us. What're you gonna' git? ;D
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Ray,
The suspense is killin' us. What're you gonna' git? ;D
Yes indeed and if he gets one who knows he may get the other one and another AG addict is started down the road of shooting splendor.
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Ray,
The suspense is killin' us. What're you gonna' git? ;D
Yes indeed and if he gets one who knows he may get the other one and another AG addict is started down the road of shooting splendor.
Lol,You guys are killing me. I wonder how long you two took to make up your mind. Ah ha,you know what I'm talking about. I promice,you two ,will be the first to know and to think that you even added the Diana 34 to the mix.Why just today,before I went to the doctor for a visit,I was trying to figure out how to make a spring compressor,just in case. ;)
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Ray,
The suspense is killin' us. What're you gonna' git? ;D
Yes indeed and if he gets one who knows he may get the other one and another AG addict is started down the road of shooting splendor.
Lol,You guys are eliminating me. I wonder how long you two took to make up your mind. Ah ha,you know what I'm talking about. I promice,you two ,will be the first to know and to think that you even added the Diana 34 to the mix.Why just today,before I went to the doctor for a visit,I was trying to figure out how to make a spring compressor,just in case. ;)
Don't do it, Ray!
For a fact, this AG addiction may be more insidious than was my CZ 452 addiction. Maybe, if for no more reason than being able to shoot the AG in my backyard. For instance, I've now got the 'hots' for an under lever AG. And yes, I've got the parts set aside to build the, sooner or later, needed spring compressor/s.