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Airguns by Make and Model => Air Arms Airguns => Topic started by: 02stampede on April 04, 2013, 12:38:55 PM
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After a few tins, my TX developed a slight buzz so I decided to clean it, lube it, and throw in a kit. I went with the 12 fpe spring because my TX is a dedicated paper puncher and I wanted a tamer shot cycle. There was a good bit of gunk and particulate inside from the break in. I also found the factory grease to be sub par and very oily as others have said in the past. I used JM lubes and left the factory seal on.
I have only test fired it indoors because of the rain we had yesterday but I am really happy with how it turned out so far. The shot cycle is smoother, more calm, and the buzz is completely gone. I hope the sun pokes out this afternoon so I can shoot a few groups and chrony it. I'll post the results here When I get the chance.
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It is quite impressive what a synthetic spring guide and top hat bearing will do to the shot cycle in TX's.
A full kit certainly is the fast and easy route to get there for minimal investment.
Enjoy the rifle ... they are indeed VERY sweet shooters ;)
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Thanks Scott.
I am as excited as the day it was delivered. Feels like a new gun now. It shoots a lot more pellets well including CPHP's which is a nice surprise. It never grouped them well before. Hold sensitivity is almost non existent. The gun doesn't jump near as much making it easier to hold a sight picture after the shot. Just about every aspect of the rifle is improved greatly. Obviously I sacrificed some power but I am more than okay with that.
Here are some chrony numbers before and after.
Bone stock from the factory.
CPHP:
916
908
915
921
931
910
933
916
891
932
Vortek PG2 12 fpe kit.
H&N FTT 5.52:
723
720
711
713
711
709
717
724
720
723
She is shooting a little under 12 fpe but it was kind of cold outside. The spread improved quite a bit and I bet it will only get better. I only have around 50 shots through it after the I installed the kit. 1 hole groups at 20 yards are boringly easy now. Here is one I shot about an hour ago.
(http://i1323.photobucket.com/albums/u591/gtahunterpics/20130404_161539_zps423a65f3.jpg)
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Awesome group!
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Awesome group!
Thanks!
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Did you consider JM kit or went straight to Vortek? Reason I'm asking is that I like the JM's detuned (OS) kit in my D34 and was thinking about eventually putting his kit in my TX (still on back order, but it will come...).
Good group, BTW.
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Did you consider JM kit or went straight to Vortek? Reason I'm asking is that I like the JM's detuned (OS) kit in my D34 and was thinking about eventually putting his kit in my TX (still on back order, but it will come...).
Good group, BTW.
Thanks.
I wouldn't be opposed to trying the JM or the Vmach kits. In fact, I may do just that. Just like anything else, you can read all you want but you never know until you try them yourself.
So far, the Vortek works as advertised though.
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Sounds like you have a real smoothie in your hands now, nice!
My V-Mach kit is really smooth and I noticed that it's the 12fpe kit. I ordered an FAC kit but the rifle cocks so easily and is smooth as butter and that was a dead give away that it was a low powered kit to me. It produces about 11.4 fpe after I Chrony'd it at a friend's house. Accuracy is about the same as before, I shoot high and low powered guns pretty much the same. I was bargaining for smooth and I ended up with a super smooth, low powered gun out of the deal.
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Sounds like you have a real smoothie in your hands now, nice!
My V-Mach kit is really smooth and I noticed that it's the 12fpe kit. I ordered an FAC kit but the rifle cocks so easily and is smooth as butter and that was a dead give away that it was a low powered kit to me. It produces about 11.4 fpe after I Chrony'd it at a friend's house. Accuracy is about the same as before, I shoot high and low powered guns pretty much the same. I was bargaining for smooth and I ended up with a super smooth, low powered gun out of the deal.
You have a gift that I do not my friend.
If I am not 100% in the zone, I do not hit what I want with my R9. The 48 is even more difficult. The TX was the easiest springer to shoot that I own. Now, it's even easier.
I tried shooting at 50 yards with all 3 today and the results were pretty similar. 1.5"-2" groups. It was kind of windy and I assume that played a bigger role against the lower powered TX.
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Sounds like you have a real smoothie in your hands now, nice!
My V-Mach kit is really smooth and I noticed that it's the 12fpe kit. I ordered an FAC kit but the rifle cocks so easily and is smooth as butter and that was a dead give away that it was a low powered kit to me. It produces about 11.4 fpe after I Chrony'd it at a friend's house. Accuracy is about the same as before, I shoot high and low powered guns pretty much the same. I was bargaining for smooth and I ended up with a super smooth, low powered gun out of the deal.
You have a gift that I do not my friend.
If I am not 100% in the zone, I do not hit what I want with my R9. The 48 is even more difficult. The TX was the easiest springer to shoot that I own. Now, it's even easier.
I tried shooting at 50 yards with all 3 today and the results were pretty similar. 1.5"-2" groups. It was kind of windy and I assume that played a bigger role against the lower powered TX.
Even a little hint of wind can be murder on long distance shots, especially airgun pellets. I totally blame that on the wind for you. I bet if you take those shots again with absolutely no wind, you'll have tighter groups.
Did you adjust your trigger on the TX? My long distance shooting tightened up after I lightened the trigger pull.
As for my low powered V-Mach kit, it's a keeper since it's nice to have sub 12fpe as an option. I am going to switch back to full power eventually since the bloody Yank in me craves power. ;D So far it's really nice to cock this rifle without popping a blood vessel, ROFL! ;D
You gotta' admit, isn't it easier cocking that thing now? I know it wasn't hard at all with full power but it's ridiculously easy now.
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Ha! Yeah, it certainly is easier to cock. You might as well keep the 12 fpe kit. It takes what, 10 minutes to swap?
I did mess with the trigger a little bit. I can't figure out how to shorten the first stage without the 2nd stage creeping or becoming a hair trigger. I will have to play with it some more. As it stands, the Rekord is still king in my book as far as ease of use and consistency goes.
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Ha! Yeah, it certainly is easier to cock. You might as well keep the 12 fpe kit. It takes what, 10 minutes to swap?
I did mess with the trigger a little bit. I can't figure out how to shorten the first stage without the 2nd stage creeping or becoming a hair trigger. I will have to play with it some more. As it stands, the Rekord is still king in my book as far as ease of use and consistency goes.
It probably takes me 32 seconds to have my TX in pieces. ;D
But yeah, you're right - it's about 10 minutes when you add time for the cleaning and lubing of parts.
As for the CD trigger, I like it better than the Rekord. I think you'll appreciate it more after you play around with the settings and see how it really works. There isn't much to it but when you adjust the first screw, it definitely affects the second screw and then there's the third screw for the actual weight of the trigger.
I know you'll get the hang of it (the adjustments) and then you'll find that sweet spot and love it. ;)
But I do agree with you that it's kind of a wacky system...
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I'm just sitting here waiting to see which kit you guys think is the best one. Keep testing this is good stuff.
Tom
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I tried the Vortek 12lb kit ,but did't care for it. Smooth but felt underpowered. If I remember I chronied it and was around 10.5 ft lbs. I later went with JM's FAC kit and left the piston weight out. From the first shot it was super smooth and a quick firing cycle. I knew this was the kit for me. Chronied it and Bingo 800 with 8.4 = 11.9 ft lbs. I have thought of putting the piston weight in for a test but every time I take a shot I just can't do it. Its just right. ;D
Just got the V-mach tune in today for the Wifes TX. Will keep everyone posted. ;D
Great shooting! Got to love a detuned TX! ;D
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Dustin, haven't used any of vortex's kits yet. JM is the only kits I put in my RWS rifles. Happy with them so far.
Tom
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Dustin, haven't used any of vortex's kits yet. JM is the only kits I put in my RWS rifles. Happy with them so far.
Tom
Well Tom would you like too...........? When I pull my wifes HC's vortek kit out I will send it your way. Got FAC and 12ft lb springs.
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Sounds good Dustin, Let me know if I can send something in trade.
Thanks Tom
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You got it. Hey got that o-ring piston seal too (somewhere ::)) Thats yours too.
Going to have to start a 12lbs club! ;) ;D
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You got it. Hey got that o-ring piston seal too (somewhere ::)) Thats yours too.
Going to have to start a 12lbs club! ;) ;D
Ooh, ooh - count me in! ;D
My V-Mach kit ended up being about 11.4 fpe in my TX. It was supposedly the FAC kit but I think it's the low power kit. No worries, it's super easy to cock and it's really smooth.
I elect Dustin as the official leader of the 12lbs Club. ;D
I suffer from tinkeritus so I'll probably swap it back and forth between different power kits.
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You got it. Hey got that o-ring piston seal too (somewhere ::)) Thats yours too.
Going to have to start a 12lbs club! ;) ;D
Ooh, ooh - count me in! ;D
My V-Mach kit ended up being about 11.4 fpe in my TX. It was supposedly the FAC kit but I think it's the low power kit. No worries, it's super easy to cock and it's really smooth.
I elect Dustin as the official leader of the 12lbs Club. ;D
I suffer from tinkeritus so I'll probably swap it back and forth between different power kits.
Niko,
When you bring the TX by the shop Saturday for the trigger job, have your V-mach kit with you to put back into gun, need to keep the factory spring to fit custom delrin guide within it.
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You got it. Hey got that o-ring piston seal too (somewhere ::)) Thats yours too.
Going to have to start a 12lbs club! ;) ;D
Ooh, ooh - count me in! ;D
My V-Mach kit ended up being about 11.4 fpe in my TX. It was supposedly the FAC kit but I think it's the low power kit. No worries, it's super easy to cock and it's really smooth.
I elect Dustin as the official leader of the 12lbs Club. ;D
I suffer from tinkeritus so I'll probably swap it back and forth between different power kits.
Niko,
When you bring the TX by the shop Saturday for the trigger job, have your V-mach kit with you to put back into gun, need to keep the factory spring to fit custom delrin guide within it.
Will do, Scott ;)
See you tomorrow!
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Guys, for what it's worth...
This has been one of the neat threads to read, and with good deeds dealt. Glad to read about 12fpe shooters, in light of all the magnumitus that goes around. Just had to post Kudos ;)
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Guys, for what it's worth...
This has been one of the neat threads to read, and with good deeds dealt. Glad to read about 12fpe shooters, in light of all the magnumitus that goes around. Just had to post Kudos ;)
Yeah, it's good to see members hooking each other up. That's pretty rare on most forums but not here. ;)
I tried the Vortek 12lb kit ,but did't care for it. Smooth but felt underpowered. If I remember I chronied it and was around 10.5 ft lbs. I later went with JM's FAC kit and left the piston weight out. From the first shot it was super smooth and a quick firing cycle. I knew this was the kit for me. Chronied it and Bingo 800 with 8.4 = 11.9 ft lbs. I have thought of putting the piston weight in for a test but every time I take a shot I just can't do it. Its just right. ;D
Just got the V-mach tune in today for the Wifes TX. Will keep everyone posted. ;D
Great shooting! Got to love a detuned TX! ;D
Sounds like my Vortek results were similar to yours. The 10 fpe range. Looking forward to what you have to say about the V-mach kit.
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Well, Niko just left the shop with his Trigger tuned TX.
Got to shoot the gun with his V-mach 12# kit installed.
Yup a very smooth shot cycle and very low vibration, felt nice but was obvious on power being down as well :P
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Just got done tuning the wifes HC. The V-mach Seal fit great and kit installed with no problems. The moly grease then send is the slickest stuff I have ever used. Chronied the 12lb Vortek first and only shooting 580 with 8.4 that = 6.2 ft lbs:( This is the second kit I have got that was not even close to 12lbs. Put a full power kit in my bro's 48 .22 and it shoots great. 780 with 14.3 ;D so I don't know whats up with the 12ft lbs kits. ??? Anyways this V-kit is just like my JM kit. I bought the FAC kit and left out all spacers. 820fps for 12.5 lbs and a super smooth cycle with no twang , vibration or anything. Very happy with it. ;D
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Just got done tuning the wifes HC. The V-mach Seal fit great and kit installed with no problems. The moly grease then send is the slickest stuff I have ever used. Chronied the 12lb Vortek first and only shooting 580 with 8.4 that = 6.2 ft lbs:( This is the second kit I have got that was not even close to 12lbs. Put a full power kit in my bro's 48 .22 and it shoots great. 780 with 14.3 ;D so I don't know whats up with the 12ft lbs kits. ??? Anyways this V-kit is just like my JM kit. I bought the FAC kit and left out all spacers. 820fps for 12.5 lbs and a super smooth cycle with no twang , vibration or anything. Very happy with it. ;D
At least yours is shooting faster than mine, nice! Did you resize the V-Mach piston seal?
Well, Niko just left the shop with his Trigger tuned TX.
Got to shoot the gun with his V-mach 12# kit installed.
Yup a very smooth shot cycle and very low vibration, felt nice but was obvious on power being down as well :P
Yeah, poor TX felt neutered to me too but it's a smoothie (for now). We'll see how long I stay with the low power. ;D
Thanks for the trigger tune, Scott. It feels AMAZING and I can't wait to shoot it! It was really nice to see that thing in pieces and I think I actually learned something about triggers today thanks to you. ;)
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No sizing. Seal is as is. The v-mach seal tool is perdy trick!
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Good deal Dustin! I told you guy's the V-Mach's were good kits! :P
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The V-Mach seal without sizing produced about 9fpe in my TX, that just goes to show you how they vary (the rifles that is). It was a very tight fit. Funny how my stock rifle was producing 17.4fpe :o
There are so many variables in this game.
Glad to hear yours worked out, Dustin. There is hope!
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I'd be interested in experimenting with replacing the steel top hat on my TX with a delrin to reduce power a bit. Anyone know where I can get one with the same dimensions as the OEM weight without buying a full kit? Or for that matter, a one-piece delrin replacement for the rear guide that fits the stock spring as well...
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Niko, you are correct their are allot variables in fit on parts! and the seal fit is critical, to tight no power to lose no power just right boo koo power LOL!!! Spencer I'm sure sombody on this form can make you a guide for your rifle! :P
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I'd be interested in experimenting with replacing the steel top hat on my TX with a delrin to reduce power a bit. Anyone know where I can get one with the same dimensions as the OEM weight without buying a full kit? Or for that matter, a one-piece delrin replacement for the rear guide that fits the stock spring as well...
Yes, I can set you up .... Tho knowing having seen first hand AA's broad spring size tolerance.
To make a fitted spring guide and top hat the ACTUAL Spring & Hat need to be in hand for correct sizing.
Translates too ... need the gun or need the guts :o
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I'd be interested in experimenting with replacing the steel top hat on my TX with a delrin to reduce power a bit. Anyone know where I can get one with the same dimensions as the OEM weight without buying a full kit? Or for that matter, a one-piece delrin replacement for the rear guide that fits the stock spring as well...
Yes, I can set you up .... Tho knowing having seen first hand AA's broad spring size tolerance.
To make a fitted spring guide and top hat the ACTUAL Spring & Hat need to be in hand for correct sizing.
Translates too ... need the gun or need the guts :o
When I'm ready to live without the guts for a little bit, I'll PM you (PM me a bit more info ($) in the meantime, if you would...thanks.).
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I'd be interested in experimenting with replacing the steel top hat on my TX with a delrin to reduce power a bit. Anyone know where I can get one with the same dimensions as the OEM weight without buying a full kit? Or for that matter, a one-piece delrin replacement for the rear guide that fits the stock spring as well...
Yes, I can set you up .... Tho knowing having seen first hand AA's broad spring size tolerance.
To make a fitted spring guide and top hat the ACTUAL Spring & Hat need to be in hand for correct sizing.
Translates too ... need the gun or need the guts :o
When I'm ready to live without the guts for a little bit, I'll PM you (PM me a bit more info ($) in the meantime, if you would...thanks.).
No need for PM, making it public .... same offer made to other GTA members.
*I offer a Tx200 tune job consisting of doing LABOR & Related parts for a Full Trigger Job, Manufacturing and fitting of a Custom Delrin spring guide, Nylon thrust washer & Top hat bearing, Lube tune and trigger adjustments to suit owner preference.
Cost $100 + shipping fees ( Actions only preferred )
Any required service parts extra.
* Custom fitted Spring guide / Thrust washer & Top hat bearing / or LW Hat $40 + shipping.
Spring & Top hat to be fitted need to be sent for correct sizing. ( Can be OEM, Macarri etc ... springs )
That's about it ....
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Spencer, do things the easy way buy a new spring and send it to Scott and have him make the parts you need and then you don't have to live without your rifle until your ready to install the new parts! JMO :P
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I agree with Mark, you should have at least one spare spring laying around as a backup. ;)
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Just got done tuning the wifes HC. The V-mach Seal fit great and kit installed with no problems. The moly grease then send is the slickest stuff I have ever used. Chronied the 12lb Vortek first and only shooting 580 with 8.4 that = 6.2 ft lbs:( This is the second kit I have got that was not even close to 12lbs. Put a full power kit in my bro's 48 .22 and it shoots great. 780 with 14.3 ;D so I don't know whats up with the 12ft lbs kits. ??? Anyways this V-kit is just like my JM kit. I bought the FAC kit and left out all spacers. 820fps for 12.5 lbs and a super smooth cycle with no twang , vibration or anything. Very happy with it. ;D
Wow, only 580? I can see where you'd be disappointed with that!
Sounds like the V-mach is a real winner.
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Just got done tuning the wifes HC. The V-mach Seal fit great and kit installed with no problems. The moly grease then send is the slickest stuff I have ever used. Chronied the 12lb Vortek first and only shooting 580 with 8.4 that = 6.2 ft lbs:( This is the second kit I have got that was not even close to 12lbs. Put a full power kit in my bro's 48 .22 and it shoots great. 780 with 14.3 ;D so I don't know whats up with the 12ft lbs kits. ??? Anyways this V-kit is just like my JM kit. I bought the FAC kit and left out all spacers. 820fps for 12.5 lbs and a super smooth cycle with no twang , vibration or anything. Very happy with it. ;D
Wow, only 580? I can see where you'd be disappointed with that!
Sounds like the V-mach is a real winner.
It all depends on how the piston seal fits. I finally got mine to hit 12fpe last night after removing some more material from the seal.
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The HC had a JM tesla seal. Fit was not too tight. You can size them down a bit but got to be careful on your dia or it will start to fuel from the lubes. Also need to check tube dia runout. These are high end guns but it can vari from one to another. Fixed honing is the only way to make it perfect.
I can do this for anyone who would like it done. ;D
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Thanks Scott.
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The HC had a JM tesla seal. Fit was not too tight. You can size them down a bit but got to be careful on your dia or it will start to fuel from the lubes. Also need to check tube dia runout. These are high end guns but it can vari from one to another. Fixed honing is the only way to make it perfect.
I can do this for anyone who would like it done. ;D
Dustin, are you talking about honing the seal or the tube?
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The HC had a JM tesla seal. Fit was not too tight. You can size them down a bit but got to be careful on your dia or it will start to fuel from the lubes. Also need to check tube dia runout. These are high end guns but it can vari from one to another. Fixed honing is the only way to make it perfect.
I can do this for anyone who would like it done. ;D
Dustin, are you talking about honing the seal or the tube?
The tube
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The HC had a JM tesla seal. Fit was not too tight. You can size them down a bit but got to be careful on your dia or it will start to fuel from the lubes. Also need to check tube dia runout. These are high end guns but it can vari from one to another. Fixed honing is the only way to make it perfect.
I can do this for anyone who would like it done. ;D
Dustin, are you talking about honing the seal or the tube?
The tube
Got it!
That's what I thought. ;)
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As an engine builder I look at an AG just the same. You can have the best piston and rings money can buy ,but if the cylinder is not to size or finished properly I will not matter you bought the good stuff.
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I agree!
I should buy another tube and send it your way ;D
The way the TX is designed, one can buy a tube without having to buy an entire action unlike most other gun designs.
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I agree!
I should buy another tube and send it your way ;D
The way the TX is designed, one can buy a tube without having to buy an entire action unlike most other gun designs.
Thats a good point. It is a nice design. Gladly do it for you @ no charge. After all were all family. LOL
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I agree!
I should buy another tube and send it your way ;D
The way the TX is designed, one can buy a tube without having to buy an entire action unlike most other gun designs.
Thats a good point. It is a nice design. Gladly do it for you @ no charge. After all were all family. LOL
That's right, brother!
And I'll return the favor. ;)
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Thats what its all about ;D
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Thats what its all about ;D
How true!! One of the many reasons I love this place!!
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Reviving this thread because I gave my PS an overhaul last weekend.
After at least 30k shots, it was losing power (down to about 7fpe) and felt tired.
In went with a new Vortek 12fpe kit, along with a new JM apex piston seal and a fresh coat of JM moly.
I used four spacers, two one the spring guide and two on the tophat.
All back together and it shot at about 9.5-9.7fpe with JSB RS 7.33gr.
This is ideal for my needs. Very mellow and extremely quiet.
But as others have experienced, well below Vortek's advertised power level for this kit.
Rob
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I have seen the same thing Rob. Last few kits have been under powered.
I'm going to send Tom an e mail.
My TX has a brand new HO kit and she's getting 11.3 fpe.
An SHO kit in my Pro Sport is putting out 830 FPS with 8.4 JSBs.
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I have seen the same thing Rob. Last few kits have been under powered.
I'm going to send Tom an e mail.
My TX has a brand new HO kit and she's getting 11.3 fpe.
An SHO kit in my Pro Sport is putting out 830 FPS with 8.4 JSBs.
This pattern with the Vortek kits for the TX/PS is odd. Vortek's reputation has generally been that it makes snappy and powerful kits that fit very well and therefore do not have a harsh shot cycle. In my R7s, the standard Vortek kits always boosted power.
Please let us know what you hear back, if anything.
Thanks
Rob
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Both my TX and Pro Sport were slinging the JSB 8.44 @885fps out of the gate with brand new SHO Kits. I haven't Chrony'd them since so who knows if they dropped like Joe's. I'll have to bust out the Chrony soon to see where they're at.
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Both my TX and Pro Sport were slinging the JSB 8.44 @885fps out of the gate with brand new SHO Kits. I haven't Chrony'd them since so who knows if they dropped like Joe's. I'll have to bust out the Chrony soon to see where they're at.
Is it possible to shim the spring and get some of it back. My TX was getting 13 FPE when the kit was new, and settled in a little over 12 FPE. Now it's down to 10.75. I ordered the shims from ARH. I did try a new seal it didn't make any difference.
Tom
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Sent an e mail to Tom at Vortek in regards to low power numbers today.
Will post his response.
Good day Vortek dudes!!
In the past 2 years I have ordered about 10 PG2 kits and have been very happy with them!
I have a question in regards to power numbers.
I have an SHO kit in a brand new Pro Sport and am getting 830 FPS with JSB 8.4.
HO kit in a TX is producing 11.2 fpe.
I have an HO kit in a 97 that has over 40,000 rounds thru that is producing 860 FPS with JSB 8.4.
It seems to me the HO kits that were installed last year are getting higher power levels than the newer SHO and HO kits......kits purchased in the last 6 months or so.
I'm also finding a loss of power as the kits break in....pretty substantial losses.
All the kits purchased have been installed by a pro that many shooters swear by.
??????
I'm a member of the GTA forum and there are a lot of us experiencing the same thing.
Thanks in advance for your response!
Joe
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Sent an e mail to Tom at Vortek in regards to low power numbers today.
Will post his response.
Good day Vortek dudes!!
In the past 2 years I have ordered about 10 PG2 kits and have been very happy with them!
I have a question in regards to power numbers.
I have an SHO kit in a brand new Pro Sport and am getting 830 FPS with JSB 8.4.
HO kit in a TX is producing 11.2 fpe.
I have an HO kit in a 97 that has over 40,000 rounds thru that is producing 860 FPS with JSB 8.4.
It seems to me the HO kits that were installed last year are getting higher power levels than the newer SHO and HO kits......kits purchased in the last 6 months or so.
I'm also finding a loss of power as the kits break in....pretty substantial losses.
All the kits purchased have been installed by a pro that many shooters swear by.
??????
I'm a member of the GTA forum and there are a lot of us experiencing the same thing.
Thanks in advance for your response!
Joe
It'll be interesting to get their take on what's going on...
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Sent an e mail to Tom at Vortek in regards to low power numbers today.
Will post his response.
Good day Vortek dudes!!
In the past 2 years I have ordered about 10 PG2 kits and have been very happy with them!
I have a question in regards to power numbers.
I have an SHO kit in a brand new Pro Sport and am getting 830 FPS with JSB 8.4.
HO kit in a TX is producing 11.2 fpe.
I have an HO kit in a 97 that has over 40,000 rounds thru that is producing 860 FPS with JSB 8.4.
It seems to me the HO kits that were installed last year are getting higher power levels than the newer SHO and HO kits......kits purchased in the last 6 months or so.
I'm also finding a loss of power as the kits break in....pretty substantial losses.
All the kits purchased have been installed by a pro that many shooters swear by.
??????
I'm a member of the GTA forum and there are a lot of us experiencing the same thing.
Thanks in advance for your response!
Joe
It'll be interesting to get their take on what's going on...
Mee too.
FWIW after about 250 shots mine has settled at 9fpe. Brand new Vortek 12fpe kit in the gun with a new JM apex seal.
This is a great power level for target shooting.
R
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Still no response from Vortek so I sent another e mail.
Hey Tom.
I sent an e mail thru the web site last week and haven't heard back.
I have had 2 SHO kits installed in a 98 and a Pro Sport recently.
The PS is getting 830 FPS with 8.4 JSBs....the 98 860 FPS with 7.9 CPLs. The 98 previously was shooting CPLs at 950 with CPLs with an HO kit.
My TX had an HO kit installed and is getting 11.1 FPE with 7.87 JSBs......previous HO kit was putting out 14.8 FPE.
It seems the newer batch of your kits are putting out much less power.
Quite a few people on the GTA have noticed the same thing.......one of the other members installed a 12 ftlb kit in his TX and is getting 9 FPE.
Not crazy about the PS and 98 numbers at all, but I probably won't change anything at this time......the TX is a different story. I put a couple thousand pellets thru it and the power is consistently getting lower.......started out at 11.9 and dropped to 11.1. Don't shoot it much any more for this reason.
All kits have been installed by a trusted tuner on the GTA....Motörhead.
Please reply bro......quite a few of us are waiting for a response.
Thanks
Joe
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Update.
Just got off the phone with Tom G.
What an absolute gentleman!! Truly.
He offered to pay shipping both ways for all 3 guns and check each of them out!
Can't ask for much more than that!
Don't want all those beauties gone at once so I'll just send the TX to him.
Will let you guys know what he finds.
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O'my .... Not good Joe
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Update.
Just got off the phone with Tom G.
What an absolute gentleman!! Truly.
He offered to pay shipping both ways for all 3 guns and check each of them out!
Can't ask for much more than that!
Don't want all those beauties gone at once so I'll just send the TX to him.
Will let you guys know what he finds.
Send them all Joe. You can shoot my blowup gun all day Saturday. ;D ;D ;D
Tom
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Who you kidding Thomas???
That inflatable has to be pried out of your hands!!!!
;D
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For what it's worth, in mid August I ordered a <12 Vortek and received PG2-TX200Pb730113-30-p300. I measured the wire at .113 with a 9 7/16" length. Installed this in the HC.
Liked it so well that in early September I ordered another <12 Vortek for the Mark III and received a PG2-TX200ppb730113-29-p300 (caps and lower case as appeared on packages). This spring also measured .113 but was only 9 1/4" long.
Both of these springs were fully seated in the guides so I feel this to be a correct measurement but the odd thing was the shorter spring also "felt" stiffer when putting these back together.
Chrono or FPE aren't apples to apples because I've been experimenting with different seals and playing with spacers but both kits started at low 12 FPE with no washers shooting FTTs.
Bottom line, two orders roughly 2 or 3 weeks apart for the same kit got me two different length springs with two different part numbers. It's all good tho, I can do more mix and match now.
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Thanks for the update, Joe. Looking forward to what he says since I have two of those kits in my rifles. I'm stepping out to Chrono them right now since I'm so curious. Will report back with numbers soon.
Update:
Here are the numbers. Kit is fully broken in (almost done with the 3rd tin).
Pro Sport
JSB 8.44 JSB 7.87
871 901
870 901
864 903
864 899
864 903
876 906
865 898
863 897
866 908
872 907
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Here are the numbers for the TX200HC.
I couldn't fit it on the above post, the margins were killing me so my O.C.D. kicked in to line it up properly. ;D
BTW, this kit is not broken in yet (less than a tin through it) and the numbers have already dropped from 915fps to the numbers below. Ambient temperature for the Pro Sport readings above were 69° @ sea level. The temp was 71° for the TX tests.
JSB 7.87
893
894
894
894
893
891
893
894
894
892
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Hey Niko!!
Those numbers are excellent......but a touch lower than they should be.
If shot cycle and accuracy are good I'd be happy with them......as I am with my 98. With the previous HO kit in it I was getting 945 - 960 FPS with CPLs. SHO kit is getting 915 after ~ 3,000 rounds. I'll probably leave it alone because she's a tack hammer.
My Pro Sport is getting 830 with 8.4s after ~ 4,000 rounds. Not terrible but not great in windy conditions.
TX has an HO kit with around 4,000 thru and she's getting a tic over 11 fpe.....I stopped shooting it.
After a half hour conversation with Tom Gore he wants all 3 rifles because he doesn't like those numbers.
All the numbers on all 3 rifles are VERY consistent and shot cycles are beautiful, but more times than not, I am shooting in the wind and at around 740ish with FTTs the results aren't good!!
I've also noticed every kit has lost power after a couple tins.
My 97 still has the HO kit Scott installed well over a year ago. She has close to 45,000 rounds thru and is slinging FTTs at 860.
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Here are some numbers from my rifle to add to the data. My Prosport has the Vortek FT kit from around a year ago. It came out prior to the HO kit and I believe the HO replaced it in name only. I'm getting about 830fps with JSB 8.4 pellets for a little less than 13fpe. That's the range I was hoping for since I don't want to tear my arm off cocking a Prosport that's totally maxed out. ;D
I also installed a SHO in my HW97k a month back and its putting out 870fps with JSB 8.4. I added 4 of 5 washers included with the kit, so it could gain a bit more fps still. So far, after over a tin, no loss in velocity and very tight chrony numbers.
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Just hung up with Tom Gore.
Sent my Pro Sport and TX to him. He got them yesterday and tore into the Pro Sport right away.
He found the spring that came in the SHO kit was the wrong spring. He explained why...dimensions and some stuff that my pea brain couldn't follow.
Long story short....he put a new SHO kit in her and she's now shooting 8.4s at 900 - 905.
He's going to open up the TX tomorrow and I'll update then.
Very very happy with the service and communication. Great guy and great products!!
Totally satisfied!!
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I wonder if some of us got the wrong springs too?
My power dropped about 25fps in the Pro Sport since it was new. Keep us posted on the rest, Joe.
Sometimes different batches of the same pellet will produce significant velocity differences.
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Just hung up with Tom Gore.
Sent my Pro Sport and TX to him. He got them yesterday and tore into the Pro Sport right away.
He found the spring that came in the SHO kit was the wrong spring. He explained why...dimensions and some stuff that my pea brain couldn't follow.
Long story short....he put a new SHO kit in her and she's now shooting 8.4s at 900 - 905.
He's going to open up the TX tomorrow and I'll update then.
Very very happy with the service and communication. Great guy and great products!!
Totally satisfied!!
Hey Joe .... please let us know how the kit changed anything .... cycle, smoothness, "turret test", etc. Very interested, since I want Motorhead to tune my TX this winter ..... and I want to make sure I get the correct kit put in it.
Thanks;
Allan
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Hey Allan!!
Go with either the HO or SHO kit. They are ridiculously smooth, quiet, powerful and they last forever
The HO kit in my 97 has over 45,000 rounds down the chute.....she passes the turret test with ease!
Still slinging FTTs at 870 with no buzz, twang or bounce whatsoever!
If Scott is installing for you.....you'll fall in love with her all over again!!
Which kit depends on what type of shooting. I like the higher power kits because I found they fight the wind much better.
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Was this an isolated example of someone packing the wrong spring with Joe's kit or are there more out there?
Seems like it would be a good idea for Tom to post the correct spring specs either here or on his site so guys could check their spring if they're wondering about a drop in velocity.
Either way, there's no denying that the Michigan boys have top-notch customer service and product support...it's obvious Tom really cares about his customers and his reputation.
Dang it...I guess I'll have to figure out another way to slow down Joe's guns... ;) 8)
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Hey Allan!!
Go with either the HO or SHO kit. They are ridiculously smooth, quiet, powerful and they last forever
The HO kit in my 97 has over 45,000 rounds down the chute.....she passes the turret test with ease!
Still slinging FTTs at 870 with no buzz, twang or bounce whatsoever!
If Scott is installing for you.....you'll fall in love with her all over again!!
Which kit depends on what type of shooting. I like the higher power kits because I found they fight the wind much better.
Thanks, Joe, I will work with Scott to match the kit to my needs.
In regard to the "wrong" spring installed .... perhaps a small stamp, of some kind, on the inside of one of the spring coils, would stop the confusion. A small "H", or "S" or "HO" etc. Would only take a second, and not take away from the integrity of the spring.
Allan
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Hey Allan!!
Go with either the HO or SHO kit. They are ridiculously smooth, quiet, powerful and they last forever
The HO kit in my 97 has over 45,000 rounds down the chute.....she passes the turret test with ease!
Still slinging FTTs at 870 with no buzz, twang or bounce whatsoever!
If Scott is installing for you.....you'll fall in love with her all over again!!
Which kit depends on what type of shooting. I like the higher power kits because I found they fight the wind much better.
Thanks, Joe, I will work with Scott to match the kit to my needs.
In regard to the "wrong" spring installed .... perhaps a small stamp, of some kind, on the inside of one of the spring coils, would stop the confusion. A small "H", or "S" or "HO" etc. Would only take a second, and not take away from the integrity of the spring.
Allan
Just a thought but in 1955 they put a white strip of paint on the front coil springs of a straight shift car so the production line would easily see what they needed. just a strip of color put on with a brush would make a great marker.
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Was this an isolated example of someone packing the wrong spring with Joe's kit or are there more out there?
Seems like it would be a good idea for Tom to post the correct spring specs either here or on his site so guys could check their spring if they're wondering about a drop in velocity.
Either way, there's no denying that the Michigan boys have top-notch customer service and product support...it's obvious Tom really cares about his customers and his reputation.
Dang it...I guess I'll have to figure out another way to slow down Joe's guns... ;) 8)
Does not appear to be a one-off issue given the number of people with new vortek kits shooting well below spec power levels. My PS 12fpe kit shoots at 9.5fpe, but that is plenty of power for my needs and the shot cycle is very nice.
A year ago I bought two new R7 vortek kits and the springs in both kits were two coils too long. Gun would not cock. They were easily replaced, but it does suggest a QC problem somewhere in the system.
R
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really enjoy reading these post, even if they are a month old.
Love the suggestionsHey Allan!!
Go with either the HO or SHO kit. They are ridiculously smooth, quiet, powerful and they last forever
The HO kit in my 97 has over 45,000 rounds down the chute.....she passes the turret test with ease!
Still slinging FTTs at 870 with no buzz, twang or bounce whatsoever!
If Scott is installing for you.....you'll fall in love with her all over again!!
Which kit depends on what type of shooting. I like the higher power kits because I found they fight the wind much better.
Thanks, Joe, I will work with Scott to match the kit to my needs.
In regard to the "wrong" spring installed .... perhaps a small stamp, of some kind, on the inside of one of the spring coils, would stop the confusion. A small "H", or "S" or "HO" etc. Would only take a second, and not take away from the integrity of the spring.
Allan
Just a thought but in 1955 they put a white strip of paint on the front coil springs of a straight shift car so the production line would easily see what they needed. just a strip of color put on with a brush would make a great marker.
I will bring up the suggestion of marking springs with Tom, and see what he thinks.