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Airguns by Make and Model => Benjamin Airguns => Topic started by: locotech on February 10, 2013, 05:27:46 PM
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Someone please tell me about the the cold weather issues with their Rogue. I left my Rogue in a cold 28 degree garage overnight . When I took it out to shoot it made a pop but it nothing happened. The tank pressure was good to go at 2800 psi. So I changed the batteries with no luck. I cycled the bolt and attempted to fire with each attempt the gun would make a popping sound that got progressively louder with each cycle until the the fourth cycle sent the round bouncing down range at about thirty yards. After that the gun seems to work fine. Suspecting the cold weather to be the culprit, I kept the the gun in the house so when I brought it out the next day I was surprised to see the gun had the same symptoms. I sent a video the issues I was having with the gun to Crosman. They seemed to be very concerned and sent a UPS label to return the gun. They told me that the Humphrey valve failed and the gun could not be repaired so now I am waiting on a new Rogue. If anyone has had similar issues please let me know. I am still a fan of the Rogue and I understand that anything new has a few developmental bugs and for the most part I can live with that. What I don't want to happen is for me to have a animal in my crosshairs and have the weapon fail me that is unacceptable.
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im in the market for a rouge, ive heard of problems with the cold being an issue. thats why i havent bought one yet. i lie in the norht east,i guess there still having problems....bummer hope you get it straighted out good luck...
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Rogue Video links 204.beta.photobucket.com/user/LOCOTECH/media/My%20Benjamin%20Rogue/2013-01-27_10-32-21_332_zps8983b7fd.mp4.html
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You may want to shoot "lloydss" on here a personal message. He may well be able to answer some questions for you regarding the rogue. Probably more likely to happen privately than on in a public forum.
Also making the link live for you.
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb51/LOCOTECH/My%20Benjamin%20Rogue/th_2013-01-27_10-32-21_332_zps8983b7fd.jpg) (http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb51/LOCOTECH/My%20Benjamin%20Rogue/2013-01-27_10-32-21_332_zps8983b7fd.mp4)
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LOL, "let daddy work." Good on you for involving the kids. Been there and done that.
I am certain that Crosman will take care of you. They have great customer service. Unfortunately they need to. Did you purchase it directly from Crosman or from a retailer like Pyramid Air? I only mention it as an alternative to returning it to Crosman for service, there are other 9mm rifles out there that shoot reliably from other manufacturers. Definatly get Crosman to make that right if you want to stick with the Rouge.
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Thanks for the live link. I purchased my Rogue from Pyramid Air, before the Rogue I had a un-tuned Sam Yang 909S and I was not happy with it. Now Pyramid Air has Evanix 9mm Rain Storm plus a few other models in 9mm.
Don't get me wrong I am not disappointed with the Rogue, for the short time that it did work it was awesome. I am disappointed that mine turned out defective. I am sure Crosman will make it right
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I'm really sorry to hear about your problem. My Rogue usually has what I like to call a cold start warm up period. Typically, when it's cold (sub 40°F) my rifle will fire a substandard shot the first time, but nothing like the issue you're having. Most typically what will happen is the first shot when cold will average 450 fps or so. After that, she will fling 'em down range at typical speeds. I've only noticed it when the rifle is cold, and I had attributed it to exactly that. I hope it isn't a mechanical issue, but I imagine I will have to wait until Springtime and warmer weather to see.
In any case, Crosman will definitely take care of you. With the Rogue being their flagship rifle, they provide the utmost priority and customer service with even the smallest of issues. Best of luck in getting your problem sorted out, and happy, safe shooting.
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To correct my earlier statement in case you try to contact him. Lloyds user name here is lloyd-ss. He can also be found in the vendors gate under airgun labs.
As my signature line suggest I am a big bore enthusiast. In fact I just jumped in line to get a Rainstorm II in 9mm. I would not consider any hunting gun acceptable if it would not work under typical hunting conditions. PA has a return policy that would allow you to exchange it for one of the Evanix line, Windy city, Rainstorm etc. Especially since you are having problems. If you like the Rouge though, send it to Crosman and make them fix it. I would test the new or repaired one in the cold before the warranty expires though. Even if I had to make room in the fridge...LOL. Please keep us updated on your results.
What was the temperature when the malfunction occurred? Has it resolved itself upon warming up or does it continue to do the same thing no matter the temperature? I noticed in your video that it didn't seem that cold. I certainly would not want that to happen while I were hunting.
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Hey Locotech,
Welcome to the forums buddy. I am positive Crosman will take care of you on this. Sorry to hear you are having that trouble, I know first hand how frustrating that can be.
I laughed a little bit at your daughter, she sounds just like mine ;D
Let us know if the new one works out better for you. I have been eyeballing that Rogue for some time now. Looks like a very nice rifle. I was a bit surprised to see the kick on a PCP, I bet that thing is a MONSTER!
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Hey Guys,
I just got off the phone with Crosman. They said my replacement Rogue is on its way and I will be sure to post a new video of her. I hope its cold as balls outside, so I can put her through it's paces.
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Good to hear. PCP's are known to lose a lot of pressure when it is very cold, but not like what you experienced of course.
Hope this one works out for you.
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Hey my fellow Shooters,
I got my new Rogue. Check out my video.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZTsBUeUOTk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZTsBUeUOTk#ws)
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forget the High dollar rounds and get yourself a bunch of roundballs :)
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I agree 100%. All the rounds I shoot I cast my self. I had a custom mold made for the Nosler and Benjamin Pursuit bullets from Tom over at Accurate Molds.
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb51/LOCOTECH/My%20Benjamin%20Rogue/2013-03-01_10-37-21_599_zps1d988d8e.jpg)
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Very nice work on the casting!
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Speaking of roundballs, has anyone shot any out of a Rogue and if so, how fly they?
As weather permits I hope to start back testing some rounds to figure out what mold to get. Just have not seen any posting of anyone using spherical projectiles.
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Very nice work on the casting!
Thanks ;D
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Speaking of roundballs, has anyone shot any out of a Rogue and if so, how fly they?
As weather permits I hope to start back testing some rounds to figure out what mold to get. Just have not seen any posting of anyone using spherical projectiles.
Sipsey,
Out of all the rounds I have shot through my Phase II Rogue, round ball is for me is the most accurate at 50 yards. I use a .358 round ball mold made by Ideal. See the last string 6:50 into the video I posted above. In the video I made a mistake and called them conical round balls, when I should have just called them round ball.
Lorin
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb51/LOCOTECH/My%20Benjamin%20Rogue/2013-03-03_10-09-09_651_zps16b15128.jpg)
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Hey Lorin,
Have you miked any of the Benjamin Pursuit rounds that you have? I started miking mine out and discovered that they varied a lot both in diameter and roundness from round to round. Some were what I would refer to as oval shaped based on the dimensions that I was getting. A few of them were even smaller than bore diameter which would affect the accuracy. I ordered a bunch of different rounds from Matt's in .358 diameter pure lead unlubed and so far his have been really consistent in size. I'm still in pretty bad shape with my back so I don't have any targets to post but wanted to ask you about your experience with the Benjamin rounds. I have quite a few boxes of them that I got with my Rogue and been thinking about melting them down and recasting them into something usable. Are they any good for anything else?
Randall
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Hey Lorin,
Have you miked any of the Benjamin Pursuit rounds that you have? I started miking mine out and discovered that they varied a lot both in diameter and roundness from round to round. Some were what I would refer to as oval shaped based on the dimensions that I was getting. A few of them were even smaller than bore diameter which would affect the accuracy. I ordered a bunch of different rounds from Matt's in .358 diameter pure lead unlubed and so far his have been really consistent in size. I'm still in pretty bad shape with my back so I don't have any targets to post but wanted to ask you about your experience with the Benjamin rounds. I have quite a few boxes of them that I got with my Rogue and been thinking about melting them down and recasting them into something usable. Are they any good for anything else?
Randall
Randall,
What molds do you have?
From day one the Benjamin Pursuit rounds I use are not actual Benjamin rounds. I sent Tom from Accuratemolds.com a request to make me mold with the same specs as both the 160 grain and 125 grain Benjamin Pursuit rounds in .357 cal. The first batch I cast did not chamber well or group with any consistency. I thought the rounds just needed to be sized but that was not the problem. After doing a little research on castboolits.com and a lot practice. My bullets chamber well and mic at .358 with out sizing and they group very well but if you size them to .357 the groups tighten up even better. As for melting them down a .358 round ball mold is definitely winner with the Rogue
I hope your back gets better ,I myself am recovering from back surgery I feel your pain. :-\
Lorin
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I went back and checked out the video. Thanks for sharing! I think I will get a batch to propel myself. They ought to fly swiftly being so light.
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Lorin,
So far I haven't bought any molds. I was hoping to get some input before I spent the money on them only to find that they didn't work well. The ones that I got are the factory Benjamin Pursuits and so far they are pretty disappointing from a measurement standpoint. I did have chance to do some shooting right after I got my Rogue but I've gotten worse since then and not had a chance to do any more than order the bullets from Matt's. The initial shooting I did with the Benjamins was not all that great which led me to start miking them to see what size they are. I'll look at the .358 round ball mold now that I know what your results have been. I'm still waiting for surgery on my back since my accident last May and it has been rough. I hope I can get things worked out and have something done soon. I'll keep an eye on your results as you post them. I might try to sell the Pursuit rounds or trade them for some other pellets that I can use. I have over a ton of pure sheet lead to melt down and work withso it would be a shame to waste them if somebody could get some use out of them. I'll look at Tom's website and see if I can start narrowing down some choices.
I hope that your recovery goes smoothly.
Randall
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Randall,
You and I are on the same page when it comes to trying find the best rounds without wasting a whole lot of time and money. Right now I have five different molds. What do plan on hunting with your Rogue? I will be getting me about thirteen hundred dollars worth of deer. So I must have a heavy round that shots accurate. When the weather clears up will shoot another video using all five rounds plus I will shoot from a rest to minimize the effect I have on the impact of the round at 50 and 100 yards . For about 20 to 25 bucks you can get a Lee Mold DC 358-150-1R. If you take your time while casting them using your sheet lead you will have some good bullets that cost a lot less than those Benjamin Pursuit rounds. I have herd good reviews about EPP/UG bullets in .357 and .45 cal. I think thats going to be my next mold . PM me your address and I will drop you some of my bullets to try out.
Lorin
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Lorin,
My main hunting target would be coyote, and feral pigs so I would still need some pretty decent accuracy to put them down cleanly. I'll send you a pm with the information.
Thanks
Randall
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Hey Lorin,
I got the care package of bullets to try in my Rogue today. Thanks for sharing them with me. I hope to be doing a little better with my back soon and have a chance to try them out.
Randall