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Airguns by Make and Model => Feinwerkbau => Topic started by: airnutz on August 03, 2012, 05:22:13 PM

Title: Feinwerkbau 300s..
Post by: airnutz on August 03, 2012, 05:22:13 PM
Oh my, I did it....finally.  FWB 300s.

I am joining the club of German Recoilless Match Air Rifles.

It's on the way.

Walnut, good condition, Diopter/Glass as an option, with some kind of muzzle in stainless steel.

Did I do good?  Anyone have one?

Robert
Title: Re: Feinwerkbau 300s..
Post by: Motorhead on August 03, 2012, 07:04:14 PM
SaaaWeeet !! .... these 10M rifles are just so fun a shooter !!
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Post by: Kailua on August 03, 2012, 07:32:11 PM
Don't forget to post your trophies.
Title: Re: Feinwerkbau 300s..
Post by: Calmark on August 04, 2012, 01:17:48 AM
Welcome to the FWB 300 club, along with the match rifle club.  I'm not yet in the club, but I hope to be someday with a 300 mini version to cut down on the weight a bit. ;D  Your new 300 looks to be in really nice shape from the pictures, and the accessories that come with it are a nice bonus.  I'm sure its going to be super accurate, especially if you decide to use it scoped.   Be sure to let us know how it does on your targets.
Title: Re: Feinwerkbau 300s..
Post by: amb5500c on August 04, 2012, 01:31:56 AM
What happens if you try to shoot it 11 meters? LOL.
Richard
Title: Re: Feinwerkbau 300s..
Post by: bart the fart on August 04, 2012, 01:32:38 AM
Why don't I own one!  Note to self.....Buy a FWB300....stat! ;D Looks great
Bart

Title: Re: Feinwerkbau 300s..
Post by: airnutz on August 04, 2012, 05:30:13 AM
 ;D ;D
Yeah I'm wondering too, if a 10 Meter Rifle can hit an 11 Meter Target.  Maybe the cool scope can add a foot or two?  But wait, the muzzle will decrease the speed and maybe it'll only be a 9 Meter gun.

I think I ought to get another one.

 ;D
Title: Re: Feinwerkbau 300s..
Post by: Dick Tracey on August 04, 2012, 09:28:41 AM
I just bought 2 gamo 126's, one the Daisy version.  We will have to compair rifles.  I found a gunsmith in Pennsylvania that still work on these and is repairing them for people in competition.  I am away from home right now but I will post pics when I get home.
Title: Re: Feinwerkbau 300s..
Post by: thekid on August 04, 2012, 11:10:03 AM
Congrats on the sweet deal.
That is great looking airgun with some nice sights too.
Title: Re: Feinwerkbau 300s..
Post by: ac12 on August 04, 2012, 05:31:59 PM
DT
You are close to Pilkingtons (www.pilkguns.com (http://www.pilkguns.com))
Scott Pilkington is/was the airgunsmith for the US olympic shooting team.
They are in Monteagle, TN

Robert
That SS sleeve looks like it is just to cover the front of the barrel when the front sight is removed. 
That is an early rifle without the epoxied on barrel/muzzle weight, which makes it easier to handle for someone not really into competition shooting.  Me, I like the barrel weight, as it helps to dampen out the wobbles.

Get a better scope.  You can't hit what you can't aim at. 
The problem that you will have is scope length.  You need to keep the front of the objective bell positioned to leave enough space to load the pellets.  I have a Bushnell 4-12x on mine and that scope covers half the loading port, making loading just a bit tricky.
Title: Re: Feinwerkbau 300s..
Post by: airnutz on August 05, 2012, 03:13:36 AM
Thanks guys.

ac12, scopes are something I have no experience with, and now I understand what the SS muzzle is/does.  Since I've had my Walther 55 for a while, I've gotten used to the Diopter and ring piece for the front sight. These pieces let me hit about anything I aim at up to maybe 50ft., even without eyeglasses.

I can understand the advantage of scopes, especially for certain sniping tactics, so I'm looking forward to gaining experience with these things.

Warning to pigeons;  I have my eyes on you.
Title: Re: Feinwerkbau 300s..
Post by: Mark 611 on August 05, 2012, 07:57:42 AM
you have picked a fine gun! I've had a few 300's and they are supper accurate, mine loved the 8.44gr JSB's and at 10yds was a 1 holer and at 30yds sub dime size groups! :P
Title: Re: Feinwerkbau 300s..
Post by: 1216bandit on August 05, 2012, 10:21:18 AM
Being new to all of this I of course had to do a search and some reading on that rifle.  WOW, very impressive!
Title: Re: Feinwerkbau 300s..
Post by: airnutz on August 06, 2012, 05:19:20 AM
I'm kind of dense.

The gun is a FWB 300, not a 300s.

I like the looks of the 300 better anyway.   ;D
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Post by: bowzette on August 06, 2012, 04:36:13 PM
I love mine.  Amazingly accurate.  I cheat and shoot off a rest at 20 yds.  Tiny little group!
Title: Re: Feinwerkbau 300s..
Post by: Makincheez on August 07, 2012, 12:37:59 AM
The gun is a FWB 300, not a 300s.

I kind of thought so but wasn't sure enough to speak up. You're gonna love it; have a 300s here. Not much difference between the two. If using the stock sights I'd like to suggest getting an adjustable diopter on at least the rear but potentially on both ends. I just have the adjustable rear (bought from Creedmore) and acrylic inserts for the front along with a magnifier (from Sinclair I think?). I'm happy with my setup. I'm too "frugal" to spring for the front adjustable diopter as well as it's working for me now. For paper I didn't really want to scope it and even though the gun is "recoiless" the action isn't. I think a cheaper scope wouldn't last long on it. But you're gonna love it!
Title: Re: Feinwerkbau 300s..
Post by: airnutz on August 07, 2012, 02:41:35 AM
Makincheez, that's the way I understand it also.  The scope thing is new to me, and I can easily imagine I'd have to buy a bunch of them to figure out which one I like or need.  The gun has recoil, just the shooter doesn't feel much of it, so playing with unknown scopes kind of scares me away at this point.

I do have Diopter experience, and I like them.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Feinwerkbau 300s..
Post by: ac12 on August 08, 2012, 12:05:40 AM
Robert
If you get into mini-sniping, you will want a good scope on it.
Even at 12x magnification, at only 10m "tiny" targets are difficult for my middle-age eyes to see.
You can't hit what you can't aim at.

For me it turns out that even with an adjustable rear diopter, I ended up at about the same size as the stock non-adjustable diopter.
It was the front sight insert that needed changing.  The guideline that I was given was to select the diameter of the front aperture so that the bull stays inside the aperture most of the time.  And since I have a decent wobble, I had to get a larger diameter insert than the stock metal insert.  Also the clear plastic inserts are easier to shoot at multi-bull targets, I don't accidentally shoot at the wrong bull.
Title: Re: Feinwerkbau 300s..
Post by: airnutz on August 08, 2012, 03:07:22 PM
ac12,  I have become to like the "ring inserts" up front.  My Walther 55 with the nice adjustable Diopter and the ring up front make for a nice combination for me.  The black center of the standard German Target Papers at 10 Meters show up with a slight "corona" of light around the perimeter of the insert. This is just perfect for me at this range.  The target center is exactly centered with the insert.  So, if I can't hit hole in hole, then it's my fault.  Mostly the case.  ;D

But when I rest the gun on something....Wow!

PS: I am currently checking out scopes, and a Shop here has Walther Scopes for a decent price.  On a German Forum the Walther 6 x 42 was recommended to me. 
Title: Re: Feinwerkbau 300s..
Post by: Breakbarrel on August 09, 2012, 07:47:55 AM
Very nice gun.
I used to shoot these when I was young and a member of the local Air Rifle Shooting Club and they are extremely accurate when in good condition.
The gun has no problems with making just one hole out of a tin of pellets as long as the pellets are of high quality and the target is within the intended distance.
It is all up to the shooter to make sure the pellets hit the bulls eye :-)
Title: Update..
Post by: airnutz on August 10, 2012, 02:39:34 PM
Well the FWB 300 arrived yesterday.  I would've loved to have shot the thing just to try it out, but one look at the stock told me if I do shoot it, it will then be in two pieces.

Once again I get burned from an Auction.  I won't do another Auction again here in Germany.  I've had it.

The seller says it was perfect, it is my problem and I will have to deal with the Post Office.  Buyers have no rights here, unlike eBay nowadays where things can be returned if defect.  So, the stock is hanging together by just a few grains of wood, and I have to prove it was a delivery problem.  Well, good luck to me.
Title: Re: Feinwerkbau 300s..
Post by: airnutz on August 12, 2012, 03:46:24 AM
Finally the Seller agrees, so I'll pack the gun up and send it back to him, with a full refund.
Title: Re: Feinwerkbau 300s..
Post by: thekid on August 12, 2012, 12:22:47 PM
Glad to hear you didn't get burned.
That not worthy and on such a nice rifle.
Title: Re: Feinwerkbau 300s..
Post by: ac12 on August 12, 2012, 11:48:00 PM
Unfortunately the pistol grip is where MANY match rifles are broken.
What happens is when the box is dropped on the rear end, the mass of the barrel/receiver pushes rearward, and there is nothing but the pistol grip holding it forward.  So the stock breaks at that point.  Because of that, it is recommended to separate the action from the stock, when it is shipped.  That way there isn't the force of the barrel/action on the stock.
Title: Re: Feinwerkbau 300s..
Post by: Ken T on August 13, 2012, 12:15:05 AM
That would be a fairly easy repair with epoxy like Brownells acraglas.I repaired a Diana 75 with a much worse break a couple of months ago.Shipping with stocks removed can open you up to trigger unit damage.I received a Ruger air magnum recently that was shipped with the stock removed.The trigger blade was snapped in half.I believe my Diana 75 was used as part a makeshift  step by UPS.
Title: Re: Feinwerkbau 300s..
Post by: airnutz on August 13, 2012, 01:20:32 AM
I think the gun was just poorly packed.  Over ten pounds, more than three feet long, weak cardboard with the voids filled wadded up newspaper, bam, the stock breaks.

I was willing, with a buddy who knows his stuff, to fix the thing if the seller refused to reimburse.  There are a lot of 300's here to be had, lots.  I'll risk it one more time, if the seller is willing to pack the gun properly.

It is a shame though.
Title: Re: Feinwerkbau 300s..
Post by: Calmark on August 13, 2012, 01:40:29 PM
It really is a shame to see such a nice vintage gun like that damaged so badly.  I know stocks broken like that can be repaired so the break is barely noticeable, but its just not the same and involves extra work that could have been avoided.  Better packing usually would solve the issue, but I know shipping companies toss packages around quickly to save time, so these things happen. ;(

Good luck in your search for another 300.  It sounds like you won't have to search long though.  ;D
Title: Update..
Post by: airnutz on August 17, 2012, 06:00:05 PM
Well I've sent the gun back and the Dude has acknowledged.  Now he thinks I dropped it on purpose and wants $80 for the replacement!!!!

Now I have to bite my tongue and be cool, because I haven't received the Payback he offered (I have it in writing).

In the meantime, he has posted two more FWB 300's.  Guess what?  They look the same as the one I bought.

Some Forum guys here in Germany says the guy stinks to the Heavens, and will be holding his a## in his hands if he does not come across with my cash soon.  Yes, now I have my fun.  The money in question will not break the Bank, but the idea of being cheated and held for a fool bites me, as much as any decent man, anywhere.

I'll get my money back, or he can have his coffee in the future from a straw.
Title: Re: Feinwerkbau 300s..
Post by: thekid on August 17, 2012, 09:15:36 PM
I'll get my money back, or he can have his coffee in the future from a straw.

LMBO...
That is down right dirty on his part.
Title: Re: Feinwerkbau 300s..
Post by: ac12 on August 18, 2012, 01:30:26 PM
I picked up a 300 from Waffen Lux in Heidelberg.
The problem with that for you is you end up paying the 16% VAT, which I think you avoid by a direct buy from an individual.

Gud Luk on finding one.
Title: Re: Feinwerkbau 300s..
Post by: airnutz on August 18, 2012, 03:16:50 PM
I have offers coming in from Forum Members over here, and the 300's are beauties.  Several are currently used for FT and are tuned and seem real fine.

Even a FWB 150 has my attention.  All have Walnut Stocks and are almost mint.  I had a few messages with the Forum Member who was intensely involved with designing the new Walther LGV, and he says even an old used FWB 300 in good shape, is worth more than a newer Model for the same money.  A super 300 goes for about $30o to $350 here.  I want one.

But then the Diana 75 are a tough one to beat.

Decisions....
Title: Got it!
Post by: airnutz on August 23, 2012, 03:25:54 PM
Okay, the Seller has refunded 100%.

I'm happy.

I was looking at a real cool Diana 75 in good condition, Walnut Stock, with a Guarantee.  But the Shop won't tell me what kind of Guarantee, and otherwise poor information.  So, I'll pass, because I can't fix them, and for the price, I don't want to even try.

Soon I'll hopefully report of something new and cool for my collection.
 
Robert