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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: PaulFWI on May 10, 2025, 01:07:02 PM
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My 10yo (daughter!) announced she wants to become a squirrel hunter.
I'm kind of tickled pink.
My FX Crown, Wildcat, and Impact M3 are all much too big/heavy for her (she is small for her size in addition to being 10).
What should I look at? Budget is... flexible. (The rifle has to be accurate enough to keep pellets in 1" at, say, 30Y, at worst...)
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Easy! Notos!
CPHP at 25yd......3/4" grouping
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If this is supposed to be a stealth gloat, it succeeded at a level of 50%. ;D
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Like Dinh said above.....NOTOS! It has an adjustable butt stock for LOP and it's light and accurate to about 30-40yds.
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The Notos does look interesting, and affordable.
"Delivers impressive power from its short 11.75-inch barrel launching a 12 grain .22 caliber pellet at 700 fps."
I'd love to be able to use the stock of JSB pellets I already have. In .22 that starts at 18.13 gr. I wonder what velocity it would throw those at.
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The Notos does look interesting, and affordable.
"Delivers impressive power from its short 11.75-inch barrel launching a 12 grain .22 caliber pellet at 700 fps."
I'd love to be able to use the stock of JSB pellets I already have. In .22 that starts at 18.13 gr. I wonder what velocity it would throw those at.
Notos is $260 on Amazon, right now.
My pic above is with with the JSB 18g pellets. The CPHP grouped significantly better, and at $7 for a tin of 500 at Walmart, it's a bargain ammo.
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Thanks. You know what speed it throws the 18gr at?
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Thanks. You know what speed it throws the 18gr at?
I believe it was around 670fps.
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Thanks; that's fine for reasonably flat-shooting to 35Y.
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I shoot JSB 18gr from mine and it slings them @ 700fps out of the box, get almost 30 shots with these.
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Help me out here. Some guy posted about the Notos somewhere saying: “However, its downfall is power. I've literally watched pellets bounce off squirrels when the shots were beyond about 35 yards.” He didn’t say what pellet weight he uses, etc.
So, do you guys soup yours up and his was OOTB? Or what is going on? Squirrels at 40 yards or more seems like a normal desire.
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Do the ballistics. 700 FPS in .22 is really a ~30-35Y squirrel gun - for reasons of both power & trajectory.
(Sure, headshots past that range would be fatal, if connected, but not really chest shots.)
(OTOH, "bouncing off" seems ridiculous.)
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Help me out here. Some guy posted about the Notos somewhere saying: “However, its downfall is power. I've literally watched pellets bounce off squirrels when the shots were beyond about 35 yards.” He didn’t say what pellet weight he uses, etc.
So, do you guys soup yours up and his was OOTB? Or what is going on? Squirrels at 40 yards or more seems like a normal desire.
Did the "guy" mentioned anything about the fps from the Notos he was using?
The regulator is adjustable. Which I did on mine to up the power.
I prefer to shoot nutters under 25yd with my Notos, and much closer if going for a chest shot. I have hotter guns for pass 25yd, that I know can easily penetrate nutter chest, just incase I have an off shot.
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The Notos does look interesting, and affordable.
"Delivers impressive power from its short 11.75-inch barrel launching a 12 grain .22 caliber pellet at 700 fps."
I'd love to be able to use the stock of JSB pellets I already have. In .22 that starts at 18.13 gr. I wonder what velocity it would throw those at.
Don't over think it Paul, mine shoots the JTS 18.1 accurate at 35 - 40 yds.
Thought I had it on TriggerTreat's spreadsheet but I don't see it on the laptop.
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If you want a flatter trajectory then the JSB 15.89gr would be better suited for 30-40yds in which the FPS will be around 780-ish, less loopy than the 18gr @ longer distances. Most of my shots are 20yds and under with the Notos so the 18gr work for me and a plus is a couple extra shots due to being heavier, stays in the barrel a smidge longer and back pressure on the valve closing it a smidge sooner.
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If you want a flatter trajectory then the JSB 15.89gr would be better suited for 30-40yds in which the FPS will be around 780-ish, less loopy than the 18gr @ longer distances. Most of my shots are 20yds and under with the Notos so the 18gr work for me and a plus is a couple extra shots due to being heavier, stays in the barrel a smidge longer and back pressure on the valve closing it a smidge sooner.
Yeah, I don't have any of those on-hand as my higher-powered FX guns have always shot heavier pellets better. (I am shooting 25.4gr .22s at around 940 FPS in the Impact now.)
IIRC tho the higher BC of the heavier pellets makes the trajectory advantage of the 15s not that large also.
But I haven't run any numbers at these velocities yet. And, yes, no need to overthink this - my little girl just needs to be able to shoot 10-35Y.
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I think she will like the Notos! My wife is petite and enjoys shooting our Notos. I have also shot the JSB 14gr and 13gr thru mine all with wonderful accuracy.
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I hear this is a smaller rifle and it's getting great reviews here on the forum.
GTA has a code for $40 off and another 10% from Pinty. Free shipping and no tax.
https://pintydevices.com/products/pcp-pellet-gun-air-rifle-high-power-airgun-for-hunting
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Cool, Ted's Holdover put together a combo for the Notos that Pyramyd sells:
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/umarex-notos-pcp-carbine?m=5515#13042
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The Notos one Achilles heel is the stock magazine. Many owners have issues with the indexing. Some sort of alignment issue which makes it from difficult to unable to load pellets. However, there are plenty of 3d printed magazines on ebay that works flawlessly.
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Notos has more adjustability to fit the shooter great rifle, the Pinty Bill mentioned is also a fine rifle and lop is in the range for smaller shooters, very accurate traditional rifle.
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I hear this is a smaller rifle and it's getting great reviews here on the forum.
GTA has a code for $40 off and another 10% from Pinty. Free shipping and no tax.
https://pintydevices.com/products/pcp-pellet-gun-air-rifle-high-power-airgun-for-hunting
Cheap enough to not bother me reducing its LOP and grip area to accommodate a child’s appendages 👍
I don’t have a Notos either, so I’m not certain if the grip is too thick for a 10-year old’s paw.
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BSA Ultras are really popular small sized PCPs in UK, only downside is shot count which is about 40 shots at 12 fpe.
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BSA Ultras are really popular small sized PCPs in UK, only downside is shot count which is about 40 shots at 12 fpe.
I was gonna suggest it but it’s $900, the Junior version on AoA.
The OP can surely afford it though, judging from his choice of air weapons.
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While that BSA Ultra is compact, the specs shows it would be a poorer choice than the Notos, for a 10yo: It's about 1.5lb heavier, no lop adjustment, and the trigger reach looks to be twice that of the Notos pistol grip design. All that for more than 3x the cost?
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BSA Ultras are really popular small sized PCPs in UK, only downside is shot count which is about 40 shots at 12 fpe.
I was gonna suggest it but it’s $900, the Junior version on AoA.
The OP can surely afford it though, judging from his choice of air weapons.
Ouch, they were around 400 pounds in UK when SE model was still made. The new CLX version of Ultra has better shot count. Brocock also makes small and light carbines and then there's HW100 carbine version if you want to steer away from china quality. FX also makes compact guns but IMO they are over engineered and you hear a lot of horror stories about leaks and POI shifts.
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I've never shot a Notos but it's power is a little more than my retuned Prod. My Prod has killed 18 or 19 squirrels for me. The original tune was only 13-14 fpe and I lost a couple. No problems at it's current 18-19 fpe. I think the Notos is higher at low 20s and I think it will work great with reasonably placement. The only knock I've seen on the Notos is the trigger pull. I do not know it isn't great, I am just saying I have seen others say so.
The Prod has gotten pretty pricey but it is also small and light and has a really good trigger. With a decent tune it would work well. The shoulder stock is inexpensive so modifying it wouldn't be a big deal to me.
I really enjoy my P35s. They only weigh about 5 lbs and provide more power and shot count versus a Prod or Notos. I have not looked recently but I got mine from Krale and I've seen them there since. The P35X is a heavier more powerful gun. My P35-177 is tuned to about 19 fpe and gives me about 75 shots on a 250 bar fill. My P35-22 gives me 40 32 fpe shots on a fill. My P35-25 gives me close to 40 50 fpe shots on a fill. I wouldn't mind more shots at a little lower fpe from the 22 but it really likes 21 grain H&N pellets. The 25 likes JSB 34 grain but the 177 and 22 prefer H&N. But both shoot JSBs pretty well.
The P35-177 has killed 24 squirrels for me with one lost due to poor shot placement by me (I shot it in the rear end). The P35-22 has taken 10, all DRT. The P35-25 has taken 18 when it was tuned to 32 fpe. I recovered them all but two ran a little. I also get runners (for a short distance) with the 177 with lung shots sometimes. The runners with the 25 were both shot right in the front of the chest and the pellet was recovered under the skin in the rear of the squirrel. I probably only got one lung.
P35s have a plastic stock but it is hollow. It could probably be shortened. I make wood stocks for mine which isn't hard if you have the tools.
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I'll be ordering the Notos.
Just not sure if I'll go for the Ted's kit or put a Hawke Airmax 4x32 (with high rings) on it.
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I'll be ordering the Notos.
Just not sure if I'll go for the Ted's kit or put a Hawke Airmax 4x32 (with high rings) on it.
After trying a few different scopes, I came to like this one the best on my Notos. Good glass, lightweight, compact, and up to 7x. Less than $50! Give it a try. If you don't like it, send it back.
https://a.co/d/gN6fyBU
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I'll be ordering the Notos.
Just not sure if I'll go for the Ted's kit or put a Hawke Airmax 4x32 (with high rings) on it.
After trying a few different scopes, I came to like this one the best on my Notos. Good glass, lightweight, compact, and up to 7x. Less than $50! Give it a try. If you don't like it, send it back.
https://a.co/d/gN6fyBU
I have to admit, that's a cute little scope that looks perfect on the little Notos.
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I use a monstrum 6x prism scope on my notos, it works great imo.
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I'll be ordering the Notos.
Just not sure if I'll go for the Ted's kit or put a Hawke Airmax 4x32 (with high rings) on it.
After trying a few different scopes, I came to like this one the best on my Notos. Good glass, lightweight, compact, and up to 7x. Less than $50! Give it a try. If you don't like it, send it back.
https://a.co/d/gN6fyBU
Were you able to use the rings it comes with, which appear to be medium height?
I'll be ordering stuff tomorrow.
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I use a monstrum 6x prism scope on my notos, it works great imo.
That looks like a cool alternative - but 6x is a little high mag for this application.
Were you able to use the stock mount on the Notos? High enough?
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I'll be ordering the Notos.
Just not sure if I'll go for the Ted's kit or put a Hawke Airmax 4x32 (with high rings) on it.
After trying a few different scopes, I came to like this one the best on my Notos. Good glass, lightweight, compact, and up to 7x. Less than $50! Give it a try. If you don't like it, send it back.
https://a.co/d/gN6fyBU
Were you able to use the rings it comes with, which appear to be medium height?
I'll be ordering stuff tomorrow.
I can't recall if I used the included rings or something I already had on hand.
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I use a monstrum 6x prism scope on my notos, it works great imo.
That looks like a cool alternative - but 6x is a little high mag for this application.
Were you able to use the stock mount on the Notos? High enough?
Yes, just mounted it behind the mag well
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I'll be ordering the Notos.
Just not sure if I'll go for the Ted's kit or put a Hawke Airmax 4x32 (with high rings) on it.
After trying a few different scopes, I came to like this one the best on my Notos. Good glass, lightweight, compact, and up to 7x. Less than $50! Give it a try. If you don't like it, send it back.
https://a.co/d/gN6fyBU
Were you able to use the rings it comes with, which appear to be medium height?
I'll be ordering stuff tomorrow.
I can't recall if I used the included rings or something I already had on hand.
Looking at the mounts, I'm fairly confident, I used something I already had, and it is a high mount.