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Airguns by Make and Model => Pinty Airguns => Topic started by: splitbeing on February 23, 2025, 10:41:10 PM
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Do you also have a P-Rifle?
My plan is to check the screws, remove the shroud, put on a rocker1, and shoot some cphps over the chrony, maybe with a chrony down range too.
Share what you've done and what you know about your P-Rifle here (ie not the P-Force and not the P-Pup, which have other threads).
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Haven't heard a whole lot about this one yet.... following.
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I tossed a Coin between the "space Gun" and the Carbine, The Tactical won, but still like the Classic carbine, may add that to my collection yet also :)
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I have carbines and a pup so the P-Force was the clear winner out of the gate.
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I tossed a Coin between the "space Gun" and the Carbine, The Tactical won, but still like the Classic carbine, may add that to my collection yet also :)
I did the same, but my love of classic wood and steel won out. But... tactical may find its way to me down the road. 😂
Have my shipping notice for my P-Rifle. Already have an adapter ordered to keep shroud on and bring it back to standard 1/2x20UNF threads. But I also have M14x1 and 1/2x20UNF moderators coming for it. Plan to try all of the configurations, maybe even shroudless. Excited to put this one through its paces and see what can unlock.
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Following along for feedback on this one.
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I tossed a Coin between the "space Gun" and the Carbine, The Tactical won, but still like the Classic carbine, may add that to my collection yet also :)
I did the same, but my love of classic wood and steel won out. But... tactical may find its way to me down the road. 😂
Have my shipping notice for my P-Rifle. Already have an adapter ordered to keep shroud on and bring it back to standard 1/2x20UNF threads. But I also have M14x1 and 1/2x20UNF moderators coming for it. Plan to try all of the configurations, maybe even shroudless. Excited to put this one through its paces and see what can unlock.
Sweet, Terry.
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P-Rifle delivery anticipated tomorrow evening, i may be out on Friday, but likely to be P-Rifling this weekend. My hope is that it outdoes the urban, which sets a high but not unreasonable standard for the P-Rifle.
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P-Rifle delivery anticipated tomorrow evening, i may be out on Friday, but likely to be P-Rifling this weekend. My hope is that it outdoes the urban, which sets a high but not unreasonable standard for the P-Rifle.
Whoa... that would be a tall order for me... I loves me some Urban.
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My P-RIFLE is nice. Trigger adjusts to a light pull. Has a nice sharp crack when fired no hammer bounce. All wood and steel. The rifle accepts BARRA or BEEMAN mags.
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This one is getting very tempting. Only $219 after discount.
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P-Rifle delivery anticipated tomorrow evening, i may be out on Friday, but likely to be P-Rifling this weekend. My hope is that it outdoes the urban, which sets a high but not unreasonable standard for the P-Rifle.
Also anticipated delivery of tomorrow. No updates since it left Cali, crossing the entire country, but says on time for tomorrow. Definitely looking forward to trying it out this weekend.
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Pinty believes they are selling airsoft guns... but also says that the threads are M12x1.25 rather than M14x1. Interesting, but thought I'd share.
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I would bet that Jeffery is his American name. :-X
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P?
I have a P rod.
I have a P 85..
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As Ozzy found out in San Antonio you need to watch where you P
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In this case P=Pinty.. the source of these guns. Just a nic that the guys buying the gins hung on them.
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I joined the P-Rifle club, will report back later next week :) I wonder if any of my 3D mags will work ...
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If you have any that go to barra 1100z or Beeman, then they should work. Loads from opposite direction from factory though.
Mine is out for delivery, and I am apparently early in the route. Estimate says I might receive it before I leave for work. 🤞
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I think I read that someone has Troy at Big Air working on making mags. IIRC they will be 14 round mags.
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I think I read that someone has Troy at Big Air working on making mags. IIRC they will be 14 round mags.
I think that's for the pup, because that's the thread I read it in. Mags for barra 1100z work on P-Rifle though.
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Anyone seen the guns on these pages? Some of them sure look similar to what Pinty sells
https://www.knivesdist.com/PELLET-GUNS_c_24.html
https://www.huntdowngears.com/air-guns/pellet-airsoft-guns/pellet-guns.html
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Folks, I ordered one of the Barra mags to try in the Bullpup but it will not fit. Happy to "Pay it Forward" to one of you folks that purchased the P-rifle if you need an extra mag!
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Folks, I ordered one of the Barra mags to try in the Bullpup but it will not fit. Happy to "Pay it Forward" to one of you folks that purchased the P-rifle if you need an extra mag!
I'd appreciate an extra mag if it's available.
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Terry was the first to reach out so the mag is yours. Send me a PM with your mailing address and I will get it on the way.
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Appreciate it, PM sent.
5 minutes after I left for work they delivered my rifle. This will be the longest Friday workday ever! 😞
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Appreciate it, PM sent.
5 minutes after I left for work they delivered my rifle. This will be the longest Friday workday ever! 😞
[chuckling]
[shaking fist in frustration]
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First impression: very good quality and excellent trigger.
The urban has a worthy contender. My bet is on the P-Force at present.
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Awesome,
Mines on it's way,
should be here next week
Following
Bill
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Shroud off, Rocker1 on.
Nice looking externally adjustable hammer design.
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Here's a Bullpup I've started to mess with
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Very good first day shooting. Cphps are a no go. Out of the box they were going 915 avg witha 10ish ES over 30 shots.
Here's the skinny: ftt 14.66 at 855 (24 fpe) is the sweet spot.
Details to come.
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A handful of things to get on paper.
Shot count for ftts at 855ish fps avg fps with a tight enough ES and SD.
Downrange fps (a little less than 50 ft, chronographs tested and typically within a few fps or each other)
Downrange penetration of cigar tin stack (a little less than 50 ft)
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Shroud off, Rocker1 on.
Nice looking externally adjustable hammer design.
So now the barrel is no longer tensioned?
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Shroud off, Rocker1 on.
Nice looking externally adjustable hammer design.
So now the barrel is no longer tensioned?
The barrel screws in and is tight. When I go to take the moderator off, sometimes the barrel starts unscrewing and I have to hold it to unscrew the moderator and then twist it back tight.
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Like the D48 at 16 fpe in .177 with ftts, the P-Rifle also got through two tins flush back to back at 24 fpe with ftts.
Another example of how a.177 pellet can penetrate much better than a .22 pellet at the same energy. RIP Shadow.
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Shroud off, Rocker1 on.
Nice looking externally adjustable hammer design.
So now the barrel is no longer tensioned?
The barrel screws in and is tight. When I go to take the moderator off, sometimes the barrel starts unscrewing and I have to hold it to unscrew the moderator and then twist it back tight.
Exacly so it's no longer under tension. If you were to fashion an end piece to slip over the barrel with a shoulder that will slip into the original shroud I think you will see your accuracy improve.
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It seems that the shroud has a moderator adapter.
Why did you not put the moderator at the end of the shroud?
How is the original shroud working?
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x2 ???
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It seems that the shroud has a moderator adapter.
Why did you not put the moderator at the end of the shroud?
How is the original shroud working?
Because for some unknown reason the manufacturer made the barrel 1/2-20 but then made the shroud adapter 14mx1. So a 1/2-20 moderator will not screw onto a 14mx1 thread.
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THAMMER makes the adapter to put 1/2 x 20 mod on the P-RIFLE and P-FORCE. I do not have the P-PUP yet so not sure what size it is.
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Accuracy is fine with the ftts. Barrel seems secure. Just saw a video by Nibbs, who also took the shroud off his and put on a moderator.
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THAMMER makes the adapter to put 1/2 x 20 mod on the P-RIFLE and P-FORCE. I do not have the P-PUP yet so not sure what size it is.
Ordered an adapter, waiting on it to arrive so I can play. Also have 2 moderators on the way, one threaded M14x1, the other 1/2x20UNF to put on the adapter. Unfortunately first I need to troubleshoot the fill adapter. Maybe ID10T error, but couldn't get it to fit in my compressor hose. It was just a hair too thick, but that's a tomorrow problem.
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THAMMER makes the adapter to put 1/2 x 20 mod on the P-RIFLE and P-FORCE. I do not have the P-PUP yet so not sure what size it is.
Ordered an adapter, waiting on it to arrive so I can play. Also have 2 moderators on the way, one threaded M14x1, the other 1/2x20UNF to put on the adapter. Unfortunately first I need to troubleshoot the fill adapter. Maybe ID10T error, but couldn't get it to fit in my compressor hose. It was just a hair too thick, but that's a tomorrow problem.
Wondering where you found a M14x1 threaded moderator
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Buckrail might have some.
My P-Rifle is very quiet with a standar x20 thread rocker1 and no shroud. The barrel is secure (threaded on) and the rifle is accurate with ftts. The shroud has little potential for noise reduction to begin with. There is not much space as the shroud is not much greater in diameter than the barrel OD. The shroud also has lots of holes in it for air release, which will bring noise with it.
In sum, if you are on a budget you will be fine with a standard thread moderator and no shroud if your rifle is like mine (or Nibb's on youtube, who is running his the same way described here just a different moderator).
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The trigger on mine is very light, two stage, and usable. There is a tiny bit if sideways slop, very little, but when it slops to the right, the trigger acts as if the safety is on. When this happens, I pull slightly left on the trigger and get around this.
While I feel no inclination to adjust the first or second stage setup (so nice to have a great trigger out the box), I might mess with that safety slop phenomenon. Could get in the way of a shot in hunting situations when stalking and you just get one quick shot chance.
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The manufacturer's claims are off in unusual ways, which is kinda funny.
The gun is more powerful than advertised.
The gun gets less good shots than advertised.
When the reg is on and balanced enough with the hammer force, the spread is wihtin 10 fps.
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Like a marauder style gun, it's easy for me to single load the pellets without a shot tray.
I have mostly been single loading. The side lever comes unscrewed now and then. Might locktite that. The cocking is very nice and smooth otherwise.
I used the mag twice. It loads one pellet at a time, which I like (no spinny topto hold still). It jams a few times each mag but doesn't need to be removed to get the pellet in. Just try again. Have not gotten a double feed... the jam is somehow before the pellet goes in. I am not a fan of the mags at this juncture, maybe they will break in.
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THAMMER makes the adapter to put 1/2 x 20 mod on the P-RIFLE and P-FORCE. I do not have the P-PUP yet so not sure what size it is.
Ordered an adapter, waiting on it to arrive so I can play. Also have 2 moderators on the way, one threaded M14x1, the other 1/2x20UNF to put on the adapter. Unfortunately first I need to troubleshoot the fill adapter. Maybe ID10T error, but couldn't get it to fit in my compressor hose. It was just a hair too thick, but that's a tomorrow problem.
Wondering where you found a M14x1 threaded moderator
Redcorn Outdoors, let you know how it fits when I get it in.
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I had the same safety problem you describe with my Bullpup and took a small flat file to the nub the safety slides across, opening the gap a little more, problem solved. Safety still works fine but does not catch when the rifle is off safety. Might work for you...
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THAMMER makes the adapter to put 1/2 x 20 mod on the P-RIFLE and P-FORCE. I do not have the P-PUP yet so not sure what size it is.
Ordered an adapter, waiting on it to arrive so I can play. Also have 2 moderators on the way, one threaded M14x1, the other 1/2x20UNF to put on the adapter. Unfortunately first I need to troubleshoot the fill adapter. Maybe ID10T error, but couldn't get it to fit in my compressor hose. It was just a hair too thick, but that's a tomorrow problem.
Wondering where you found a M14x1 threaded moderator
Redcorn Outdoors, let you know how it fits when I get it in.
OK, that lead me to an ebay store and an Etsy store but didn't see any.
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He does have an ebay store, they are not on there. He commented about it on Nibs' 2nd pinty video and I contacted him. They are currently out for delivery, so should be able to test the M14 for fit today. Until then, I guess it's time to troubleshoot the fill adapter.
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He does have an ebay store, they are not on there. He commented about it on Nibs' 2nd pinty video and I contacted him. They are currently out for delivery, so should be able to test the M14 for fit today. Until then, I guess it's time to troubleshoot the fill adapter.
Gotcha
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I had the same safety problem you describe with my Bullpup and took a small flat file to the nub the safety slides across, opening the gap a little more, problem solved. Safety still works fine but does not catch when the rifle is off safety. Might work for you...
That makes sense! Thanks, Steve.
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Well my P-Rifle was out for delivery today until it wasn't, and just landed in Chicago LOL
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I tossed a Coin between the "space Gun" and the Carbine, The Tactical won, but still like the Classic carbine, may add that to my collection yet also :)
Man of my word, letting it warm up while I stuff some groceries in my neck, then off to the Basement Range, May even do some video ;)
LOL
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/gallery/17377-060325122032.jpeg)
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Took it out of the box, was going to do a funny unboxing video, but wasn't feeling it. besides I was out of stage blood ;)
Aired it up to 3000 psi because I have no clue what is between the 3 numbers on the gage LOL ??? Loaded a mag with Norma 17.6 took a few test shots, then tossed a compact 3-9x42 REX scope on it, nice fit not to bad of a scope for a duplex. few clicks this way and thet way and zero was close enough to get to accuracy, and trigger pull weight and feel. all exceptional for a sub 250 USD regulated air rifle. I shot it till I mau have dropped off the regulator, then topped ot to 3400 as that is where my bottle is at now. took a few more shots, and letting it sit a bit for next round. It is quiet for the power it has, 885 fps with the 17.6 :o
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/Themes/CustomGTA2023/images/post/thumbup.gif)
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James
Glad to hear So far So Good !
Haven't aired mine up yet, awaiting some scope rings
As far as the noise db, compared to a 22LR or short ?
Bill
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Mine is still begging to be shot, hopefully tomorrow before I head to overnight obligations. Did get the pinty 4-16 3in1 scope combo I got with the gun installed on it. I'm not sure the reflex and laser will stay... not even 100% that this scope will long term. But no pressure drop after 4 days. I'll take that easy win.
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James
Glad to hear So far So Good !
Haven't aired mine up yet, awaiting some scope rings
As far as the noise db, compared to a 22LR or short ?
Bill
LOL I actually came up with a sound comparison it is as loud as a Sheridan Blue Streak at 8 pumps.
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The rifle is slim and light weight, reminds me of a child's gun LOP seems shorter too, Holding it reminded me of a .32 rimfire break open rifle I used to have. Light and utilitarian <~ I think I can say that here ;)
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The rifle is slim and light weight, reminds me of a child's gun LOP seems shorter too, Holding it reminded me of a .32 rimfire break open rifle I used to have. Light and utilitarian <~ I think I can say that here ;)
Yes, you're fine. The way I understand it, the rules are against discussions on PB guns or posts that encourage discussions on PB guns.
For example... if a poster in the "what did you do today" thread said he/she went to the paintball park, it would be fine. But if he went on to describe the gun he would be crossing the line. Also if the posts incited a discussion on paintball guns, the thread would be locked if a soft warning is not observed.
In this case a simple comparison was made with the airgun being the object.
I hope this helps others understand how this rule is applied.
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James
Glad to hear So far So Good !
Haven't aired mine up yet, awaiting some scope rings
As far as the noise db, compared to a 22LR or short ?
Bill
LOL I actually came up with a sound comparison it is as loud as a Sheridan Blue Streak at 8 pumps.
Unscrew the shroud, throw on a regular thread lcd, and tell us about the mouse farts [chuckling]
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The rifle is slim and light weight, reminds me of a child's gun LOP seems shorter too, Holding it reminded me of a .32 rimfire break open rifle I used to have. Light and utilitarian <~ I think I can say that here ;)
I discovered that the p-rifle will fit in my bullpup/AR style cases if the moderator is removed. I am gonna try fitting a handpum with the handle removed in there with it. That would make a very convenient, whole package to take wherever. Pump and rifle in the main compartment, moderator and handle in the zip pouch, pellets and such in the AR clip compartments. Will post pics if I get it figured out. Grab and go! The whole hand pump rifle setup!
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P-Rifle delivery anticipated tomorrow evening, i may be out on Friday, but likely to be P-Rifling this weekend. My hope is that it outdoes the urban, which sets a high but not unreasonable standard for the P-Rifle.
Whoa... that would be a tall order for me... I loves me some Urban.
Likewise, The Urban is tough to beat in many aspects.
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James
Glad to hear So far So Good !
Haven't aired mine up yet, awaiting some scope rings
As far as the noise db, compared to a 22LR or short ?
Bill
LOL I actually came up with a sound comparison it is as loud as a Sheridan Blue Streak at 8 pumps.
Unscrew the shroud, throw on a regular thread lcd, and tell us about the mouse farts [chuckling]
Well Rion,
I must had forgotten that this carbine has 11mm rail
So dug around an found some rings an an old Beeman 4X scope
Aired it up poped a few w/o pellets then set to zero it in
This thing Has a BARK to it, even with the small air deflector on
more db's then a 22short HE, HE, (don't own a Sheridan)
Not a problem for me, but May Not be Back Yard Friendly for others
Surprising at how out of the box accurate this thing is with a low ball scope
picking off pine cones out at 35yd with no problem
Only issue so far tight fitting mags, should loosen up with usage
Now aired up let it set, ck for leaks tomorrow, if all's good LET THE FUN BEGIN
Bill
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I was shooting mine about 200 yards away from a woods this afternoon, Just a good poof from my end, but I could hear a fait report echo off the woods. I bet on a calm night in town or near buildings it would be .22 short loud.
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Here we go, billygee!
I also found the mags to be tight. I have mostly been single loading like I would with a marauder style breech.
I also found the rifle to bark out of the box. Removing the shroud and adding a moderator with standard threads made it very quiet. Huge difference!
I also found the p-rifle to be accurate out of the box.
An update on my search for the sweet spot of hammer adjustment: i am getting 44 shots with an ES of 17 fps with 14.66 gr ftt 5.53s going a median speed of 903 fps. I get 30 shots at 905 fps plus or minus 3 fps. The next 7 shots drop into the 890s. Then I get 7 shots up in the 905s again. That makes 44 good shots. The hammer spring is out such that I can count two+ threads exposed. My only concern is at this setting I am getting some muzzle flip I wasn't getting below 900 fps with my gun unshrouded and a rocker1 on the end of it to which a chrony is attached (for now).
Gonna shoot my 44 shot 17 ES at just under 27 fpe p-rifle a bit more and see if the muzzle flip is affecting my groups.
Note from another thread but didn't post here: at 873 plus or minus 5 fps I got 35 shots plus another 9 shots in the 860s. That was with the hammer adjuster a few more threads out.
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P-Rifle aesthetic comparison. R7 and Fortitude above.
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Hey James
Good to know keeping the db's down in open area
Guess my mistake was letting a few fly under my deck
then compared it to my Fortitude made just a Poof (chuckle)
All an All have a DONNYFL Sumo 1/2 x 20 to get rid of that Bark
Have to now find an adaptor for it
Bill
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What is the LOP?
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What is the LOP?
The lop is the dis tance from the trigger to the butpad 😁 13.75 inches.
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What is the LOP?
The lop is the dis tance from the trigger to the butpad 😁 13.75 inches.
What is the going average?
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What is the LOP?
The lop is the dis tance from the trigger to the butpad 😁 13.75 inches.
What is the going average?
Typical adult LOP 14.5"
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Well I looked over the arsenal for a gun with a Pinty scope, found one on the DF1, so I swapped it for the REX I had on it originally.
Now the gun boast the Pinty name LOL ;D
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/gallery/17377-070325232042.jpeg)
Sighted in and ready to go outside to the long range testing.
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LOP
LOL
Ooo lolli lollipop ba dum dum dum
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LOP
LOL
Ooo lolli lollipop ba dum dum dum
Did you make the finger in the cheek sound?
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Real pack of comedians. . . . . . :P
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Hey James
Good to know keeping the db's down in open area
Guess my mistake was letting a few fly under my deck
then compared it to my Fortitude made just a Poof (chuckle)
All an All have a DONNYFL Sumo 1/2 x 20 to get rid of that Bark
Have to now find an adaptor for it
Bill
I'm still waiting for mine to show, but thammer has what I call P-Dapters for the pinty series.
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If you got a P-Rifle, consider posting a target in the casual match #5 like James did!
I'm gonna try and get one in today, but still learning to shoulder this gun and find the hammer sweet spot for my shooting.
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Is the carbine regulated?
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Yes, it is regulated.
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Wondering if someone who purchased the wooden P-RIFLE that can 3D print can come up with a 1 inch spacer to fit between rear stock and rubber butt plate ? It would make LOP almost perfect.
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I had a flashlight turned LDC, it used the OE thread protector to attach to the gun,. I was able to swap out the end cap and it works even better on the P-Rifle than anything else I have tried it on. 8)
I did put a slip on butpad it was the right fit for me but looked ugly IMO :) so took it right back off.
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/gallery/17377-090325165521.jpeg)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/gallery/17377-090325165705.jpeg)
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I had a flashlight turned LDC, it used the OE thread protector to attach to the gun,. I was able to swap out the end cap and it works even better on the P-Rifle than anything else I have tried it on. 8)
I did put a slip on butpad it was the right fit for me but looked ugly IMO :) so took it right back off.
James That is awesome
Quite creative,
been surmising a way other then hanging extra Sumo weight on the end of the barrel
then having to stabilize it incorporating a barrel band
Bridging my Fortitude helped increase long range accuracy
Little more info on that LCD flashlight Mod
Bill
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I had thought of joining in on the P-Rifle Party but... Pinty does not ship to my address. Seems to be a good deal and a good price and good performance. Though there are other companies that do not offer shipping options to AK. I'll have to wait a bit before looking for another PCP, I do have a few in mind for later., i would first need to make some room before adding More Airguns to what I have.
I may have missed it but has anyone found out the shot count, Ive read the specifications...
NVak
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I had thought of joining in on the P-Rifle Party but... Pinty does not ship to my address. Seems to be a good deal and a good price and good performance. Though there are other companies that do not offer shipping options to AK. I'll have to wait a bit before looking for another PCP, I do have a few in mind for later., i would first need to make some room before adding More Airguns to what I have.
I may have missed it but has anyone found out the shot count, Ive read the specifications...
NVak
It's around 3 magazines, or 30 shots, on the regulator. Another 10-15 before numbers start pitching, from what I have seen from others. I haven't put mine through the chrony yet, just wanted to shoot it some.
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Nukall,
It's unfortunate some Co. have limitations on their S/H footprint
Hopefully you can find someone in lower states that can assist you, and join the fun
as far as the shot count, since this one is regulated, you can adjust the Reg, hammer spring to your liking
"guessing" max might get 15 -20 min probably 40 - 60
maybe someone having this info can follow-up
Good Luck on your Quest
Bill
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Mithli,
billygee,
Thankyou for the information, yes I surely would like to join in, but for now reading the Pinty Posts is enough to add some fun to my thought process. Excellent Work on the P-Airguns, GTA Thankyou
NVak
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Found the barrel to not be too sturdy. I could push that barrel and change poi. The shroud adds some tension, but I could push that around too.
Maybe this will help.
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With the hammer spring setting in a sweet spot, I was getting 44 shots with 17 fps ES using ftt 14.66 going around 900 fps.
I had another setup running 40+ shots, I think it was 873 fps. I may have posted that in the tactical thread by accident.
Out of the box, folks are getting just under 30 good shots.
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Rion, the Snowpeak M16 that the rifle is loosely based on had a barrel band from the factory. Did you make that one or purchase it somewhere?
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That the similar model came with a barrel band makes a lot of sense to me. I accidentally bumped the barrel and the poi went wayyyyy off. That's what got me trying it out, looking more closely, and a trying a few fixes.
The barrel band I made. I shot a few shots, dialed in the scope, pushed the barrel up, down, left, right and then again. Still on target at 50 ft. But that was just a few shots. More testing in days to come.
How fixed is your barrel? Does it move when you push it around?
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Unfortunately I no longer own an M16 (I tend to buy and sell some air rifles, enjoy trying new things) but I lugged that .25 cal version around the woods for over 5 years and never had any issue with POI change.
I added barrel bands to other rifles that did not come with one, including my AEA Challenger .30 cal. I just feel better about bouncing around the woods with the barrel supported.
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That the similar model came with a barrel band makes a lot of sense to me. I accidentally bumped the barrel and the poi went wayyyyy off. That's what got me trying it out, looking more closely, and a trying a few fixes.
The barrel band I made. I shot a few shots, dialed in the scope, pushed the barrel up, down, left, right and then again. Still on target at 50 ft. But that was just a few shots. More testing in days to come.
How fixed is your barrel? Does it move when you push it around?
Hey Rion
Spotted this barrel issue is as soon as I removed the shroud
Barrel movement no matter how tight it may be, is very noticeable with the shroud removed.
So dating back to my fortitude days which had a barrel band, it still needed an install of some bridging to correct this drift.
unfortunately I'm somewhat in a stand still posting pic's (kindle fire, camera pics or prt scr shots :( )
Bill
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I'm sure there are folks with 3D Printers out there that can come up with a barrel band, with or without Picatinny rails to help stabilize the barrel- airtube on the P-Rifle and P-Pup.
Great work splitbeing
NVak
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The M16 barrel band worked with the shroud attached so stability was pretty solid. This one is on the ebay site in the UK: https://www.ebay.com/itm/115776771163
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Nice. Still leaves you needing an adapter for the moderator threads, but solves the stability problem. 15$ ain't bad for a barrel band.
Dang shroud does next to nothing to dampen the sound and provides some stability to the barrel but not enough. Lose the shroud, get the good moderator threads, and put on a band is hoepfully gonna prove out. If not, I'll likely end up with the aftermarket adapter and shroud band unless I think of something else.
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That the similar model came with a barrel band makes a lot of sense to me. I accidentally bumped the barrel and the poi went wayyyyy off. That's what got me trying it out, looking more closely, and a trying a few fixes.
The barrel band I made. I shot a few shots, dialed in the scope, pushed the barrel up, down, left, right and then again. Still on target at 50 ft. But that was just a few shots. More testing in days to come.
How fixed is your barrel? Does it move when you push it around?
Hey Rion
Spotted this barrel issue is as soon as I removed the shroud
Barrel movement no matter how tight it may be, is very noticeable with the shroud removed.
So dating back to my fortitude days which had a barrel band, it still needed an install of some bridging to correct this drift.
unfortunately I'm somewhat in a stand still posting pic's (kindle fire, camera pics or prt scr shots :( )
Bill
What sort of bridging work did you doon the fortitude, Bill? I have one too, hence my askin.
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I'm sure there are folks with 3D Printers out there that can come up with a barrel band, with or without Picatinny rails to help stabilize the barrel- airtube on the P-Rifle and P-Pup.
Great work splitbeing
NVak
Thanks, Nukall.
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Just a thought, measure the outside diameter of the barrel and the air tube and compare to the dozens of barrel bands listed on ebay and other places. It is possible that one made for another rifle will fit the P-rifle without the shroud. Just a thought... ;D
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Or reach out to one of our resident 3D printing gurus and see it they would be willing to make one for you. He/She will tell you what measurements they will need. You might be surprised at how many of these folks actually enjoy using their printers and the challenges of the design.
FYI... the space between the air tube and the barrel is a very important measurement.
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That the similar model came with a barrel band makes a lot of sense to me. I accidentally bumped the barrel and the poi went wayyyyy off. That's what got me trying it out, looking more closely, and a trying a few fixes.
The barrel band I made. I shot a few shots, dialed in the scope, pushed the barrel up, down, left, right and then again. Still on target at 50 ft. But that was just a few shots. More testing in days to come.
How fixed is your barrel? Does it move when you push it around?
Hey Rion
Spotted this barrel issue is as soon as I removed the shroud
Barrel movement no matter how tight it may be, is very noticeable with the shroud removed.
So dating back to my fortitude days which had a barrel band, it still needed an install of some bridging to correct this drift.
unfortunately I'm somewhat in a stand still posting pic's (kindle fire, camera pics or prt scr shots :( )
Bill
What sort of bridging work did you doon the fortitude, Bill? I have one too, hence my askin.
Rion
Back when Fortitude was popular, Fuzzy Grub and I exchanged information on issues that I had
I recall having some barrel drift and made a cradle ( or Shim of flexible like rubber ) in-between the gap
uncertain why the band didn't just correct the issue, as installing that spacer improved accuracy out to 75yd
hope this helps
Bill
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The band on the fortitude is loose. It's puprose to my mind is to prevent bumping of the barrel from causing too much damage.
My fortitude is not the best accuracywise. Maybe a rubber shim in the shroud will help. Project for another day. Trying out my rubber barrel band on the p-rifle is next on the list!
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I just posted about barrel bands a minute ago in another thread. Here are my thoughts on them
People have argued back and forth about barrel bands for a few years now. My reasoning is that I have at least 2 feet of barrel tube connected only at one end by one or 2 grub screws to hold steady the inch or two it sticks into a receiver block. A small bump at the free end and you change where it is pointing slightly, which can be a lot when you are shooting. So anything that is going to keep my 2 foot tube from moving at all might be helpful and just might keep the shots consistent since the barrel is not in any danger of moving around at the far end. Most shooters, when zeroing a scope, actually clamp their entire rifle into a lead sled on a bench so that it won't move. Same principle. Consistency.
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There are some who know more than me about arguments for a free floating barrel. Harmonics is one. James might be able to chime in here.
At the end of the day, I want the gun to be accurate and stay zeroed. After the accuracy test with the band, if it's accurate enough I will then torture it a bit and see if it stays zeroed at 50 ft.
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I found a box of airgun golf balls, short story long I opened the box and to my surprise there were T's also. Set one out at 50 yards, kneeling if I had known I Hit it the first try I would have videoed it LOL. I put some more chalk in it so I can shoot it again ;)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/gallery/17377-110325205005.jpeg)
With flashlight LDC on even, no POI change.
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/gallery/17377-090325165521.jpeg)
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You're killin me with that flashlight [chuckling]
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The band on the fortitude is loose. It's puprose to my mind is to prevent bumping of the barrel from causing too much damage.
My fortitude is not the best accuracywise. Maybe a rubber shim in the shroud will help. Project for another day. Trying out my rubber barrel band on the p-rifle is next on the list!
The shroud on the Marauder was also a loose fit in the barrel band... at least a mil or 2 of free float... nothing new to see here. ;)
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James, have you tried shooting the p-rifle/p-carbine at w5 or more yards with the normas yet?
Beginning to suspect the gun might prefer heavier pellets.
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Yes, it is regulated.
Thank you
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James, have you tried shooting the p-rifle/p-carbine at w5 or more yards with the normas yet?
Beginning to suspect the gun might prefer heavier pellets.
I started with the heavy pellet assumption. When I get the time to sit and actually start pellet testing, I don't think I will try anything under 16gr.
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Thanks, Terry.
Keep us posted.
I might try some heavier pellets I have around, but they are not the usual varieties.
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I did some plinking with mine after work from our shop range, this gun is almost self aiming, never misses, I'm still amazed LOL All I have tried is 17.6 gr Normas :-\
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10 meters?
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10 meters?
??? Yesterday I dropped a HOSP at 40 yards, another one 30 yard head shot, and a 10m Chipper. ;) Oh and a starling, but Nick got a piece of that one too :)
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Nice!
Just tried ten rounds of BHEs. Shows promise. They are 18-19gr and are going in the 820s at the hammer spring setting that was getting me 40+ shots at 17fps ES. The fpe is way higher than it was with the ftts. Getting 28 fpe with BHE.
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Well this is interesting. Got 50 shots instead of 40+. There was an oddball shot at 809 fps, which made the ES 30 on the shots I chrony'd at begging and end of string (first ten, last ten).
The 30 shots in the middle were for a casual match target. I'm comin for ya James, using your gr weight recipe against ya [chuckling]. I got a 197/200x at just under 50ft. Much better than the ftts were doing (more like 180s).
This is all with the BHE 18.52 gr.
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Well this is interesting. Got 50 shots instead of 40+. There was an oddball shot at 809 fps, which made the ES 30 on the shots I chrony'd at begging and end of string (first ten, last ten).
The 30 shots in the middle were for a casual match target. I'm comin for ya James, using your gr weight recipe against ya [chuckling]. I got a 197/200x at just under 50ft. Much better than the ftts were doing (more like 180s).
This is all with the BHE 18.52 gr.
If you are getting more shots per fill using a heavier pellet and at the same HS setting it means that with the lighter pellet you are likely over dwelling the valve and loosing efficiency. The heavier pellet is staying in the barrel longer utilizing more of the air, and helping to close the valve. Lighter pellet is exiting the barrel prior to the valve closing. Fix would be to lessen the hammer spring when using lighter pellets.
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Well this is interesting. Got 50 shots instead of 40+. There was an oddball shot at 809 fps, which made the ES 30 on the shots I chrony'd at begging and end of string (first ten, last ten).
The 30 shots in the middle were for a casual match target. I'm comin for ya James, using your gr weight recipe against ya [chuckling]. I got a 197/200x at just under 50ft. Much better than the ftts were doing (more like 180s).
This is all with the BHE 18.52 gr.
If you are getting more shots per fill using a heavier pellet and at the same HS setting it means that with the lighter pellet you are likely over dwelling the valve and loosing efficiency. The heavier pellet is staying in the barrel longer utilizing more of the air, and helping to close the valve. Lighter pellet is exiting the barrel prior to the valve closing. Fix would be to lessen the hammer spring when using lighter pellets.
That makes sense regarding the dwell. Regarding turning down the hammer spring for lighter pellets, the shot count also went down compared to the sweet spot with the same light pellets. I suspect the sweet spot is where the valve and hammer force are in balance, but that is not as efficient in terms of dwell with light pellets as it is with 18-19gr.
Haven't tried the 21 gr cudas. anybody shoot some 20+ gr pellets in the p-rifle?
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My Bullpup loves the 21gn Cudas but unfortunately don't have a P-Rifle yet.
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My Bullpup loves the 21gn Cudas but unfortunately don't have a P-Rifle yet.
Might have the same barrel.
Using the 5.52s or the regular cudas?
Gonna try the BHunters whenever they arrive in my next ammo order.
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Mine are the regular Cudas.
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My moderator from Red Corn Outdoors came in today, a perfect fit! Still waiting for adapter to arrive to use 1/2x20UNF, but M14x1 works perfectly. So... I took it out to do my first power, accuracy, shot count test. 51 shots, from 250 bar down to 125/130 bar, 48 of those on the regulator. The first shot was lowest, the gun may have been slightly overfilled to cause this.
JTS Dead Center 18.1gr pellets:
51 shots; Avg FPS 841; ES 73.34; SD 12.88; 28.4 FPE
Remove first and last 3 shots and ES drops to 33.81.
Did "magazine groups" of 10. Scope adjustments after group 1 and 2. Lot of me factor, despite rest, but still decent groups. Then I went in for dinner before I got in more trouble. Also think hammer adjustment needed.
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Mine leveled out just shooting it a couple hundred times :)
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Mine leveled out just shooting it a couple hundred times :)
The bottom of the tin isn't starting to appear yet, so I guess I have a ways to go yet. I do think I'm over 100 now at least. 🤔🤷 Time to try some others anyway, see where the rifle says it wants to continue.
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That makes 3 people reporting high shot count and power with 18 gr.
I found that reducing my hammer spring force by turning the adjuster out 2 to 2.5 turns tightened up the ES and gave more shots. With 14 gr this meant 44 shots and 17 ES around 23 fpe. With 18 gr, I've only done the first ten and last ten shots of a 50 shot string. That got me 28 fpe and a 30 ES, however with the one oddball shot taken out the ES was around 20.
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I've nicknamed my p-rifle: "the barrel bandit".
So far so good with the shroud removed, barrel band installed, and a standard thread rocker 1 moderator.
Oh, and 18ish gr pellets [smile and a mischievous wink].
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I took the LDC off my P-Tact and put it on my P-Carbine. Will adapt the P-Tact to something else :)
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Has anyone attached sling studs yet?
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I started to yesterday (wind gusts to 45 mph so no shooting) but decided on a different approach for a sling. It uses one of the "Wrap It" velcro hangers and the lower strap from my gun case to form a two point style sling carrying the rifle in front pointed down. Easy to put on and take off and no modifications to the rifle. I haven't tested in in the woods yet, but works fine in the yard so far.
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Rion, I just realized that you were referencing the P-Rifle, not the Pup for your question about sling studs. Sorry, senior moment... :o
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Rion, I just realized that you were referencing the P-Rifle, not the Pup for your question about sling studs. Sorry, senior moment... :o
No worries! The bullpup is also a sling quandary. One you've solved!
The slope of the p-rifle stock has me reluctant to sling stud it and thereby ruin the elegant form. However, I imagine wanting a sling for a day in the woods or any hike.
Anybody sling their p-rifle or have any thoughts?
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Scabbard ???
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/gallery/17377-210325113605.jpeg)
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Now that's an idea! Would work for my r7 too (another rifle I'm reluctant to put studs in). Interestingly, they're about the same size! Wasn't expecting that when I ordered the p-rifle!
Is there an inexpensive scabbard you recommend for these small rifles?
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This is the one I have, I added padding from a crossbow sling to mine. Pick your colors :)
www.amazon.com/dp/B07QYT9TZM/ref=sspa_dk_detail_1?
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Thanks, James. Do you have the 28 in or 34 in?
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I have 2 of the 28" my PP750 with longer barrel is about the same fit as the P-Rifle. I also have a shotgun length one more of a back pack style for my big bores.
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Continuing to get a low 1st shot per fill, but have now also run Norma 17.6gr and CPHP 14.3s. Looks like 57 or so shots on the reg today with CPHP, and 81 shots got me from 250 to 75 bar, full span of the green. 60 shots of Norma got me to 100-110bar range.
I plinked with shots 51-81 today, hitting bell at about 45-50 yards consistently, as well as can bottoms, despite 10mph+ winds. I used the same zero at 50 as 25. Also no issue hitting 3in swinging target at 25 yards during that time.
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Not to be mean or nothing but, wouldn't it be fun to make the NUAH club with one of these $200 guns? I bet that wouldn't set well with the big spenders. :o
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Not to be mean or nothing but, wouldn't it be fun to make the NUAH club with one of these $200 guns? I bet that wouldn't set well with the big spenders. :o
You read my mind, Bill! I literally fell asleep thinking about the barrel bandit making nuah on my buddy's range where I did it with the .177 Akela and nsa slugs.
So far the baracuda hunters are my most accurate pellet. Not sure they'll hold up at 100, but I haven't done 100 yard shooting in 22. My head isa all .177. Anyhoo, got me wondering about what nsa slugs might fit well in the p-rfile or p-force barrels generally.
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Continuing to get a low 1st shot per fill, but have now also run Norma 17.6gr and CPHP 14.3s. Looks like 57 or so shots on the reg today with CPHP, and 81 shots got me from 250 to 75 bar, full span of the green. 60 shots of Norma got me to 100-110bar range.
I plinked with shots 51-81 today, hitting bell at about 45-50 yards consistently, as well as can bottoms, despite 10mph+ winds. I used the same zero at 50 as 25. Also no issue hitting 3in swinging target at 25 yards during that time.
Awesome, Terry!
If your rifle is like mine, I suspect that a couple turns CCW on the hammer adjuster will get you levelled out to around 50 shots with an ES under 30 fps or maybe even under 20.
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Well, it's not just me. This fella also found the baracuda hunters to do the trick in the p-rifle.
https://youtu.be/jQhJzdqhmNY?si=oJA6NoTmOXqxX-6k
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There are several Pinty threads already so I figured I ask here instead of starting another. Can somebody with the Pinty bullpup measure and report the actual length of pull ? I wanted the P15 for a spell, and this seems to be dang close to it for a very reasonable price.
Thanks,
Mitch
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Well, it's not just me. This fella also found the baracuda hunters to do the trick in the p-rifle.
https://youtu.be/jQhJzdqhmNY?si=oJA6NoTmOXqxX-6k
After watching his part one and 2, I don't think the groups were better than Norma 17.6gr or jts 18.1s. And, all looked as good or worse than my 10 shot group averages. I guess next I need to do full pellet run (of what I have) in 5 shot groups with a couple leaders in between each. I will see if I can get that done this weekend.
Yesterday I did another run of the JTS 18.1gr. Chrono had an unknown issue and measured only 5 of the 91 shots I took, but grouping and being able to hit targets at 25-50 yards seemed unphased all the way down. I expect that I lost reg around shot 47 as usual. But I didn't drop below 75 bar green band until somewhere between shots 80 and 90. Put 68 shots on paper (2 put into can because paper blew off) and last 21 on bell and ATFLBox 5-in-1. All 21 as ringers without holdover. Groups a little worse than original 18.1 shoot, but I think the scope is also a contributing factor to my groups as no parallax adjustment leads to rough sighting at 25.
Still no adjustments to rifle, other than installing a moderator. Probably around 400+ shots through the P-Rifle thus far, almost all of my jts 18.1s seem to have flown away. 🫣😂
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I love learning about the rifle with all the info in the pic! Thanks, Terry!
How'd the 50 yd targets look?
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I love learning about the rifle with all the info in the pic! Thanks, Terry!
How'd the 50 yd targets look?
The 50 yds was just the bell. Was fun watching the pellets come in for landing on the scope. I will drop a pic of what layout looks like. My "50" is also probably about 45. I need to actually measure it and keep forgetting.
After I do full line of pellets at 25, I can look at taking top 3-5 and doing 50 yards.
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11 different pellets, 82°F temps with 15mph tailwind, 25 yards rested. 5 shot groups with 2 pellets fired off-target every swap to "condition". Also fired 2 shots after each fill, before target work, to account for low fps issues I've been seeing. Some surprises in the groups, still with the pinty scope that doesn't have ao adjustment. (Forgot to post this yesterday.)
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Interesting! Seemed to like the terminators and the meisterkugelns if I'm reading the chart right. Inside 30, those would be devastating on small game and punch paper well. I'd say neither will make it out to 50, but I have also had some weird experiences with the terminators where ithey were shot fast and grouped well at 40+.
Are the first group in the upper left JTS's? What's the weight?
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Interesting! Seemed to like the terminators and the meisterkugelns if I'm reading the chart right. Inside 30, those would be devastating on small game and punch paper well. I'd say neither will make it out to 50, but I have also had some weird experiences with the terminators where ithey were shot fast and grouped well at 40+.
Are the first group in the upper left JTS's? What's the weight?
JTS 18.1s were first group, 16.08gr 2nd group. I suppose it would have been good for me to clean up labels for groups and their data...
Here is the video from me doing the testing:
https://youtu.be/uGCMoMhiCJ4
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I don't know what interest there may be, but I was asked to test a barrel band design for P-Rifle. I believe it will have a pic rail bottom so that can bipod or whatever accessory you decide. The test units are supposed to mail out to me tomorrow, I will share results and pics here when it gets in. I'm still not 100% on the thought of pic rail and bipod for the rifle, but at least it would be far enough forward to not change the feel of off-hand. I would love to hear thoughts from others on pic or no pic, as well as barrel band in general.
Also, if anyone wants to double check my numbers, I got 18mm shroud, 32mm air tube, and 4 or 5mm gap between (based on 54/55mm total length from top of shroud to bottom of tube). Hope all are safe and enjoying their rifles.
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Awesome data, Terry! These pinty's are getting some video attention now!
Not sure how necessary a barrel band is with the ahroud on, but with the shroud off on my mine it is a must. If folks want pic rail, why not? There is a lot of space forward of the stock.
I've been debating sling studs in a similar way. Not sure yet if a spot can be secured that doesn't interfere with offhand or rested shooting.
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kinda interesting from being a powder burner, where we would use bedding to float the barrel
where here we look to band a pcp barrel.
(work in progress on a different shroud)
On another note:
anyone find another way to degas the the P-Rifle Carbine, other then just dry firing till empty ?
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Sorry, Bill. Havem't tried. I didn't notice any degassing tool or port, but I've only removed the stock a few times. The hammer adjustment is very user friendly with stock on and the tube is so far beyond the barrel that is good for banding. Do you plan on banding the custom shroud? Hopefully won't need it. What material and any kind of baffling?
Your post reminds me of the bedding that folks have explored here with springers.
We stay away from PB discussion as a rule.
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Sorry, Bill. Havem't tried. I didn't notice any degassing tool or port, but I've only removed the stock a few times. The hammer adjustment is very user friendly with stock on and the tube is so far beyond the barrel that is good for banding. Do you plan on banding the custom shroud? Hopefully won't need it. What material and any kind of baffling?
Your post reminds me of the bedding that folks have explored here with springers.
We stay away from PB discussion as a rule.
I do have the stock removed which revels the lug that the stock bolts onto,
which wasn't sure if there may have an air bleed feature
As far as the shroud, hopefully there will be no need for banding
Having a few hurtles on the mod, but attempting to make it DIY friendly
Bill
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Paying attention to the forend of the stock while finding my way around the hilds off hand as well as rested, debating whether a sling stud would interfere at all. I like James' scabbard idea, but with the shroud off and a moderator on, I'm wary to put it muzzle first in a scabbard even with the barrel band.
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Awesome data, Terry! These pinty's are getting some video attention now!
Not sure how necessary a barrel band is with the ahroud on, but with the shroud off on my mine it is a must. If folks want pic rail, why not? There is a lot of space forward of the stock.
I've been debating sling studs in a similar way. Not sure yet if a spot can be secured that doesn't interfere with offhand or rested shooting.
With the shroud there is some flex still, so I am curious to see if it will tighten up groups a little more for me (already best groups in 22 for this poor shooting Papa). As for the sling stud, I was thinking about that with the barrel band as well. Depending on how things look with the barrel band installed, I may reach out about sling stud instead of pic rail option. Can still attach a bipod if it's your thing, but would help setup for sling in a perfect hunting rifle.
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That makes alot of sense! Barrelband with sling stud.
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That makes alot of sense! Barrelband with sling stud.
I just wish I'd thought it sooner, so it could have been what's on the way. Now I'll wait and see how things play.
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Hey man,
Yesterday I sent an email to airgunmods dotcom to ask if they are able to make barrelband for the P-Rifle. I am still waiting on a reply. I may have missed it, but has anyone figured out a barrel band that will fit?
I have found a way to join in on this fun, but. I need to take action to have one of these in my possession. And I might have to soon as there are not many left in stock. I might need a little push over the edge,.,. Anyone willing to assist with some words of encouragement mixed with a healthy dose of airgun enabling. Thankyou.
Yesterday after going through my Airguns I found 2 that I am willing to part with. I need room before I can add more to what I have.
NVak
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It's a shooter, powerful, hand pumpable, all metal and wood, amazing what you get for the price.
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Best bargain air rifle ever !!! ;) I did order a Buck Rail over the shroud suppressor, I will report back on how it works. The OD of the P-rifle shroud is 18mm, one would want about 1mm clearance around the shroud.
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Best bargain air rifle ever !!! ;) I did order a Buck Rail over the shroud suppressor, I will report back on how it works. The OD of the P-rifle shroud is 18mm, one would want about 1mm clearance around the shroud.
I'm glad buck rail finally released that, but I'm quite happy with my Red Corn Outdoors one for the M14x1 threads. Also, glad someone else got 18mm for shroud OD.
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Hey man,
Yesterday I sent an email to airgunmods dotcom to ask if they are able to make barrelband for the P-Rifle. I am still waiting on a reply. I may have missed it, but has anyone figured out a barrel band that will fit?
I have found a way to join in on this fun, but. I need to take action to have one of these in my possession. And I might have to soon as there are not many left in stock. I might need a little push over the edge,.,. Anyone willing to assist with some words of encouragement mixed with a healthy dose of airgun enabling. Thankyou.
Yesterday after going through my Airguns I found 2 that I am willing to part with. I need room before I can add more to what I have.
NVak
I have one scheduled for delivery Tuesday for testing, designed for the P-Rifle from measurements. But... the gun is accurate, beautiful, and great without barrel band. Joining the P-Rifle club won't disappoint, it's only "negative" is their weird choice of threads. Even better was them telling me it's 12.5x1 instead of the 14x1 it actually is. But there are options out there for moderating already to tame the bark.
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Hey thank you Guys,
Airgunmods dotcom replied saying they should be able to make a barrelband that would work.
I gave him the measurements given above by Mithli. It would be great if a member can measure and get the gap measurement correct as I entered 4-5mm for the shroud-airtube gap. There is still time to give him any corrections for the measurements.
Soon I'll be joining in on this P-Rifle fun.
NVak
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Glad to have you on board, NVak!
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Yeah, that thing looks like it needs a barrel band badly.
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I call mine "the barrel bandit" [chuckling]
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A 1.5 mm allen wrench fits snug between barrel and shroud. 1mm is loose and 2mm will not fit. Hope this helps.
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rkrr20307,
Thank you I have sent an update with that information along with the overall height being 54-55mm top of barrel to bottom of the airtube.
In other local news.. the other day I offered two buddies to pickup two airguns from me. They both took their time so I had my Son call his buddy to come get the two air rifles and 4 package included scopes. I instructed him on how to properly install the scope and the basic operation of the two beemans. Good now that those two are out of the way,,.. I hit that order button this morning.
Ok airgunmods dotcom will in soon time after settling on the dimensions be sending me a sleeve sample to see if it fits using the numbers I had provided thanks to GTA members for the measurements. A sleeve before a band is to be produced.
NVak
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With all these different bands, we might as well share pics! Playin in a band band here! [chuckling]
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Ok GTA,, today AGM has printed and shipped a test sleeve to see if we have the measurements right. If all goes well at a later time we may have a 3.5-4" 3D Printed barrelband.
I have A lot of heavy .22 pellets 16-21gr that I'm sure would work very good in the P-Rifle. I also have HNHP Slugs in .218 at 21gr. ALREADY sounds fun knowing there is +/- 28-30FPE at the muzzle and alot of shots per fill ...
I just might look into a 4Stage hand pump to aid the 3 stage Hand pump I have. A low costing $170 tiny compressor might be worth looking into at a later time.
Excellent work Everyone
NVak
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Got the barrel band from RCO yesterday. I had to do some light sanding to get a snug, not vice grip, fit from the barrel band. Then I realized that barrel was slightly tilted upward to the band. Removal of the band discovered that it has a slight rise even without, but less "drastically." With band it was going from about 2.5mm (height of USB-C plug) to about 4.5mm at end. Without band, rise is to about 3-3.5mm. He sent me a version without pic rails, since I wasn't overly excited about it personally.
I will feed back the measurements from above to him also. Picture for your enjoyment.
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A 1.5 mm allen wrench fits snug between barrel and shroud. 1mm is loose and 2mm will not fit. Hope this helps.
Just verifying, did you mean between barrel and shroud, or between shroud and air tube? Because shroud to air tube seems tighter than what I was seeing with my very "scientific" usb-c plug discovery.
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That one is playin in the band! Thanks for the pic!
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I realized that I was dumb, and I got my digital calipers and associated gauge out and got proper measurements on the P-Rifle.
Barrel Shroud: 18.10mm
Air Tube: 32.28mm
Gap: 2.01mm by caliper, 1.96mm by gauge segments
Top of shroud to bottom of air tube*: 52.75mm
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Mithli,
Thankyou for the information I have past it on to airgunmods for an update on the dimensions.
With the LDC being not 1/2x20 UNF, where am I to get an LDC that fits the odd threading? Is it 12.5 x 1 or what I've read a couple different thread pitches just know that it is not 1/2x20.
I am still waiting for my P-Rifle to be delivered. Once received I will begin on over sharing on the details, specifications and performance.
NVak
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Mithli,
Thankyou for the information I have past it on to airgunmods for an update on the dimensions.
With the LDC being not 1/2x20 UNF, where am I to get an LDC that fits the odd threading? Is it 12.5 x 1 or what I've read a couple different thread pitches just know that it is not 1/2x20.
I am still waiting for my P-Rifle to be delivered. Once received I will begin on over sharing on the details, specifications and performance.
NVak
Buckrsil might have one.
My barrel band is standing strong holding the barrel with no shroud and a standard thread moderator. Haven't taken it on a hunt yet so not torture tested in real conditions.
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Here's a pic from billy g on his shroud work before bluing. For some reason I haven't figured out he can't post pics.
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The way I did it when I had the custom BB made for Betty Lou's Maximus with the Fortitude shroud and the GMAC repeater breech was to measure from the top of the shroud to the bottom of the air tube. Add the diameter of the tube and shroud together and subtract that number from the overall. I sent measurements of the tube, the shroud and the overall to the 3D guy and that's all he needed..... 3 numbers.
He did a snug fit on the tube with grubs clocked at 4 and 8 and gave me a 1mm free float space around the shroud. My goal was to protect the shroud from bumps and bangs during every day use.
If you look at the Marauder, for example, you will see the the BB is not tight on the shroud. It's not uncommon.
Now if you prefer a tight fit, you can always stuff a thin o-ring in the space.
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Here's a pic from billy g on his shroud work before bluing. For some reason I haven't figured out he can't post pics.
Thanks Rion
Work in Progress Similar to QE, Hoping to be DIY Friendly
The Shroud is of Aircraft 1" Thin Wall Aluminum Tubing,
Fortunate to know a Ultralight Aircraft Builder that had some scrap tubing
Used some Aluminum Black on the tube, works, but not like being anodized
shroud may still need a band, as using a zip tie until I determine what the final outcome will bring
Slight Pause, Awaiting some product information
Bill
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Mithli,
Thankyou for the information I have past it on to airgunmods for an update on the dimensions.
With the LDC being not 1/2x20 UNF, where am I to get an LDC that fits the odd threading? Is it 12.5 x 1 or what I've read a couple different thread pitches just know that it is not 1/2x20.
I am still waiting for my P-Rifle to be delivered. Once received I will begin on over sharing on the details, specifications and performance.
NVak
Red Corn Outdoors has M14x1.0 moderator for the P-Rifle on his eBay page. That is what I am using. Alternatively, you can remove the shroud and the barrel is threaded 1/2x20UNF, or buck-rail has now released their collet moderator that would slip over the shroud and tighten down.
Should be getting a new version of the barrel band soon from RCO, with proper numbers this time. 🫣
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The way I did it when I had the custom BB made for Betty Lou's Maximus with the Fortitude shroud and the GMAC repeater breech was to measure from the top of the shroud to the bottom of the air tube. Add the diameter of the tube and shroud together and subtract that number from the overall. I sent measurements of the tube, the shroud and the overall to the 3D guy and that's all he needed..... 3 numbers.
He did a snug fit on the tube with grubs clocked at 4 and 8 and gave me a 1mm free float space around the shroud. My goal was to protect the shroud from bumps and bangs during every day use.
If you look at the Marauder, for example, you will see the the BB is not tight on the shroud. It's not uncommon.
Now if you prefer a tight fit, you can always stuff a thin o-ring in the space.
That is what I sent, and all that was asked for originally. I am a terrible shot, and my crooked eyeballs affected my total measurement too. Additionally, the barrel and shroud naturally have some separation happening, so the gap is larger where you measure. Today I used the calipers for that total measurement as well, in addition to showing the gap measurement where shroud exits the receiver.
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(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/Themes/CustomGTA2023/images/post/thumbup.gif) I just got the Buck Rail 18mm compression suppressor, fits and works like a charm, also redirects some of the blast back into the OE shroud.
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/gallery/17377-150425211032.jpeg)
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"This is Great to Hear"
Of the various options that have come about in such a short period of time to take the bark out from this Carbine
It may come down to which will suit your preference W/O discrediting others,
"As long it works for your needs"
Thank You to all for Taming the Bark ;)
Bill
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Loving the chat here. Great rifle, amazing price, and we're figuring it out. Good to be embarking on this tame the bark and band the barrel odyssey together.
Terrible shot or no, I like the idea of seeing these rifles show up in nuah or casual matches. They are fun performers it seems.
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(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/Themes/CustomGTA2023/images/post/thumbup.gif) I just got the Buck Rail 18mm compression suppressor, fits and works like a charm, also redirects some of the blast back into the OE shroud.
"Look'n Good James"
If I hadn't started my mod seeing that this feature allows retaining the air stripper, most likely would have been my choice,
But, I will incorporate a Lead Dust Filter, which should lesson the db's down even more
With this floating Barrel, you have any intentions on using a Barrel Band ?
Bill
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No p barrel band Some guns run better free :)
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James
Get into any regulator settings yet on this carbine ?
Bill
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No I haven't Both seem to have some regu;lator creep when topping off, and if sitting in varible tempratures, I increased hammer spring a bit to compensate, but still give a few dry fires to settle it down for now. Polishing the reg might end up as a winter project, still have a Dead DRS to polish up LOL
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No I haven't Both seem to have some regu;lator creep when topping off, and if sitting in varible tempratures, I increased hammer spring a bit to compensate, but still give a few dry fires to settle it down for now. Polishing the reg might end up as a winter project, still have a Dead DRS to polish up LOL
Been noticing the same, just toped it to 206bar (3000psi) seems to also work
How Bad is the DRS ?
Bill
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Updated barrel band, with correct dimensions, is on its way. Shipping currently says Thursday, so should have new testing/photos by the weekend. Hoppy Easter all, may your aim be true.
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Thanks, Terry. Same to you! Keep us posted!
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Not to be mean or nothing but, wouldn't it be fun to make the NUAH club with one of these $200 guns? I bet that wouldn't set well with the big spenders. :o
Now that I figured out what it is, this is my 2025 goal. 😂 Still need to do 50yd shots, and then find a 100 yd+ spot...
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Did some sound testing today with my rifles, including the P-Rifle. During it I made a discovery that the Avenger magazine fits the P-Rifle. The downside was, I have a 25 cal Avenger. So now I know, it can shoot a 25 pellet in extremis.
But that got me to thinking, should make a list of the viable magazine options for the P-Rifle. I have personally tested Pinty's, Barra 1100z, and Avenger mags. I have watched Nibs test Iconix, Komplete, and aftermarket mags for these. He also has talked about Marauder during that. Of note, Komplete magazine (and its aftermarket versions) also loads from the left like the Pinty mags.
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Of all the mags that fit, Terry, are there any you prefer to the others?
I've been shooting mine single shot much like a marauder style gun or my crosman 100. Just put the pellet in the hole and close the bolt.
I likecthe pace of single loading. More of a springer pace. With my Rocktitude, it gives the reg somectime. Haven't noticed the P Rifle reg to need much time, but it's been a couple weeks since I chrony'd it.
Once I get to hunting with it, a mag will come in handy.
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Of what I've used, both pinty and Barra have done great. I like the Barra because it gives a count, and I love what I've seen of the maple and big air precision mags for the komplete. My understanding of the komplete factory mag is that it's pretty awful, so not recommended.
I do shoot single shot sometimes as well, and it's not as bad as I thought it would be.
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James shot his p-rifle i. The casual match last week. Both of us did the match two weeks before. I intend to this next match. Consider shooting your p-rifle in the casual match, everyone! Let's give these airarms guns a run for the (not so much) money! [chuckling]
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After a stop in Hawaii for a luau, my new barrel band is out for delivery! Now I have something to look forward to after work.
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Pic from billygee
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Pic from billygee
Referencing back to post #178, where I started this Mod to Get the Bark Out of my P-Carbine to present
This can be for DIY by purchasing some tin wall aluminum tubing, tube of JB weld, and a Beeman Underlever Suppressor Kit, which allows two selective UNI suppressors
OR for fastest and easiest : the 18mm collet suppressor using the original shroud , both are from Buck Rail (Barrel Band Pending)
All will take the Bark Out from this P-Carbine, as my Mod did Exceptionally Well compared to my Fortitude db
with out having a db meter I can only say db comes close maybe quieter then a RED Ryder BB Gun'
Bill
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Not tested on rifle yet, but here are the variations for new barrel band. One with, and one without, pic rails.
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Hello bands! Good to see you!
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Tried the bands out tonight, did b-e-a-u-tiful. And looks good too. Decided to stick with the picatinny version for now, and giving it some glam up.
Center group was control group before bands, top left was straight band (no picatinny), and top right was picatinny band. Pulled at least one shot early, and found I'm not at all practiced/steady with bipod. 🫣
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Pinty Rifle .22
This PCP Air rifle was ordered through Ama zon dotcom through the vendor Pinty Direct. 10 % off along with shipping cost was $220.
Today I received the P-Rifle in a nice box with full styrofoam protection. The airtube was empty when received. Included were 2 of ten shot magazines and a baggy of different O-Rings and a small container of sealing oil. I didn't see a Single Shot tray, I would have loved one even if it is a Side Lever.
Handling it feels very nice I very much like the shape of the stock. Sitting Right under 38" OAL this makes for a fast handling AG.
The side lever action is very smooth and has a Flow through Bolt, very nice. The trigger is short and very light. The trigger does not appear to be adjustable. The Air gauge at the front of the Air tube is numbered in Bar with a 250 bar limit. The Gauge has a glow in the dark face after exposing the gauge to bright light.
Using a new 4 stage Hand pump from Amazon I Filled full to 250 bar. I lost count while pumping. For the first few pumps the air was passing the valve into the barrel. Using a quick pumping action a few times was enough to close the valve to take air. The hand pump said 3000 PSI by the time the 250 bar limit was reached. I don't speak bar so I watched the PSI gauge to compare to the bar gauge on the P-Rifle.
Shot report is LOUD. Like loud loud. Im wondering if the 14x1.25 LDC I've seen on BR would fit. I might email BR to see if the LDC will work on the P-Rifle.
The barrel sleeve test for a barrelband sent by airgunmods dotcom does not fit. I'll need to email him to let him know.
I removed a Pinty 3-9x32mm AOEG scope from the Crosman Bottlegun and mounted onto the P-Rifle using a Dove-pic rail and medium height rings. I Took shots at 35 yards to get close to sight in and shot a few pellets through the chrono.
Hammer Spring adjustment backed out All the way
250 bar start
APT 18.0gr
830-840 FPS
27.7 FPE
20 shots later it looks to have around 2000 PSI left.
I will have to setup my other chrono before I can get a full shot string together.
Fun, loud, regulated fun.
NVak
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Nukall I have the 18mm Buck Rail over the shroud compression fitting suppressor, it works wonders, simple installation.
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Back_Roads,
Thanks to you I found that a week or so ago and For a number of days I have been waiting for BR to have the 18mm Collet Suppressor to be in stock. Today I ordered the two 18mm that were available, one for the UX Iconix and the other for the P-Rifle.
The Pinty 3-9x32mm AOEG has short eye relief though provides a clear view and also has illuminated reticle with hash marks for judging distance or drop at further ranges. I'm thinking to order a Pinty 4-16x40mm AOL for this Airgun.
At a later time I'll be testing other pellets. The shot report is loud that I can't be shooting in the backyard. I have to go under the hill or to the tundra to be shooting some of the loud unmoderated air rifles I have.
NVak
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Good deal I did some 50 yard plinking after work with my P-Carbine with the Buch Rail doohickey thingy :)
https://youtu.be/FWOKc1MfJoE
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How'd the grouping turn out, James?
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Pic from billygee #199
Heads Up,
finally got a chance to let a few fly, finding a Sweet Spot using Yep! Believe it or Not CPHP,
My Crony's Down, so No Spec's,
All I can say is Dime size Holes at 26yds just by backing the Hammer Spring Down Turn an Half
Best of all NO BARK
Bill
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Today I refilled the P-Rifle with the new 4stage hand pump. This time I paid closer attention to the markings on the Air gauge as I filled the airgun. At 2900 the P-Rifle gauge was right at the Beginning of the red mark so I stopped there.
I installed the RCO barrel band and the BR Collet LDC and head out with Two magazines filled and a baggy of pellets. The first two fills I had shot with the Pinty 3-9x32mm AOEG set on 4x. I let one shot off at 35 yards. Good. I then moved the magnification dial to 5x. Doing this did seem to move my POI higher. I'll have to test more on if the scope can hold POI after changing magnification settings.
After 25 shots with Apolo Pointed 18.0gr it looks like the P-Rifle gauge shows something right under 2000 PSI left.
The RedCornOutdoors barrelband with a bottom pic rail works good. I also bought the non Pic barrelband. This does not fit. I might have to use sandpaper on the openings to get it to fit right. The Buckrail Collet LDC works very good at calming down the shot report.
I received an email from airgunmods dotcom including a picture of a draft of what the new AGM Barrelband will look like. Looks good.
NVak
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Interesting to hear that the non-pic band did not fit. Both of mine slipped on nice and tight, although he told me he was going to open up the barrel portion a little more for easier slide. I'm sure if you reached out, he'd make it right. For my own curiosity, what was the fitment issue? Glad to hear you are enjoying pic rail version, and collet moderator from BR is a win. Look forward to seeing the AGM band.
Does remind me, I was asked about just tube band with pic rail for bipod/accessories. Specifically for the pup, but since they appear to be same size tube, may interest others here as well.
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Papa T,
The PIC barrelband fit snug and while installing I watched to make sure the band was not shifting the barrel. It went on good. I then tried installing the plain barrelband and the barrel part was tight and the gap section is wider than it needs to be. I'm sure I can get it to fit with some sand paper and some time.
If Barra mags fit then the Beeman mags I have might fit. I'll check before the next time I take the P-Rifle out.
NVak
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34°F
Today with around 2200 PSI I head out and shot some paper targets. I knew I didn't have a lot of air left before the regulator fell off so for now I tested 3 shots through chrono then 3 shots on target. No changes were made to the sight in setup for APT 18.0gr.
The first group on the right 3 shots with NGT 17.6gr. The left target was HN Barracuda 18.1gr. By the time I started the HNB18 group the Airgun was just falling off the regulator.
After the 3 shot group the last shot was 809FPS with around 1700 PSI. So I will have to retest HNB18s and a few other heavy pellets. The NGT do very good.
One thing. The handle on the side lever came off while cycling the bolt. You need to keep that little screw tight.
Norma Gold Trophy
NGT 17.6gr
1. 837
2. 834
3. 837
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HN B 18.1gr
1. 835
2. 838
3. 822
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3 shots through chrono, 3 shots on Paper @27 yards.
Right - NGT 17.6gr.
Left - HNB 18.1gr.
NVak
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For any still on the fence, only the P-Rifle is left and they are flash saling it for $209.99 with code force5.
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Thanks, Terry!
Nukall, did you try baracuda hunters?
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splitbeing,
I have HNB 18.1gr, HNBH 18.2gr I also have the HN Hunter Extremes 18.8gr, HN B 21.1gr and HNHP 5.53mm 21gr slugs that I'd like to try in the P-Rifle. I have a lot of heavy pellets types to test. With this P-Rifle I'll be mainly testing heavy 18gr+ pellets.
NVak
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Thanks, Terry!
Nukall, did you try baracuda hunters?
I've seen they do so well in the pups, and my brother picked up 9 tins of them, so thought I'd give them a try (hopefully Monday). I do like the idea of testing mostly 18+ (adult) pellets/slugs in it. Also still haven't done any slug games myself.
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As far as h&n pellets go, which is mostly what I shoot, the 18gr baracuda hunter tends to be the better pellet in .22 than the others. To put it in JSB terms, the h&n baracuda hunter is kinda like the jsb 18.13 folks talk about.
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Shot mad minute challenge yesterday with the P-Rifle, my first success. Shot at 25 yards, with JTS Dead Center 18.1gr, off bipod. Pretty good wind, as storm was blowing in.
https://youtu.be/FqAW41RZ77M
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That looks super fun, Terry.