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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => European/Asian Air Gun Gates => German AirGun Gate => Topic started by: eyeguy74 on May 12, 2024, 12:23:36 AM
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Thanks to a keen-eyed friend on this site, I was able to purchase a 430 Stutzen from that auction site.
I didn't think I would ever be able to find one so quickly after joining this site, but I did, thanks to a great individual here.
Supposedly, this particular rifle was part of an estate sale. Not sure if I'm purchasing from the original owner, a relative, or a reseller, but the info said it was purchased in 2014 for $695.
Anyhow, I can't wait to get it home and see how it shoots. Sure is a beautiful gun!!
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Congratulations! Hope you'll share some photos with us all when it arrives.
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I certainly will. Now to decide on a scope vs peep sights. I'm 50, so the eyes aren't what they used to be.
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If you're interested in peep sights there are some members that could answer a lot of questions you might have. HertorMedina and MDriskill come to mind. Good find on that rifle. Looking forward to pictures also.
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Outstanding Jess!
A Stutzen has been on my radar for years.
CONGRATS!
...again pics when you can would be greatly appreciated.
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I have a feeling I’ll be contacting both gentlemen soon. I’ve been researching everything I can about the 430, so hopefully the questions will be short and to the point.
Right now, my biggest concerns are the condition of the seals and sights. If I go the route of a scope, will it need a specific mount due to recoil, or is it tame enough that any good mount will suffice?
If I go the route of peep sights, are the front sights easily interchanged? I know a Williams will work on the rear, no problem.
Just a couple things to research while I wait on it.
Pics will hopefully be up before Friday. It has a long trip from California, so hopefully the seller and USPS don’t delay!
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if you haven't discovered Hector's blog yet, https://www.ctcustomairguns.com/hectors-airgun-blog/the-430l-a-semi-custom-powerplant-part-1
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Nice score! About 1/2 what it's worth. Did you see what he sold the R1 for? With the useless dinky Beeman scope that guys go ga ga over and pay silly money for. Sell that and the gun's almost free.
I listed a BSA Stutzen twice on AA yesterday and it got deleted both times for some reason. Not a "give away" price though.
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Nice score! About 1/2 what it's worth. Did you see what he sold the R1 for? With the useless dinky Beeman scope that guys go ga ga over and pay silly money for. Sell that and the gun's almost free.
I listed a BSA Stutzen twice on AA yesterday and it got deleted both times for some reason. Not a "give away" price though.
I would have loved a BSA Stutzen, and some day I’ll add one to the stable. I missed the R1 though. I may have to go back and dig up the sold listings just to see.
At some point I’d like to have a limited amount of Stutzens in my arsenal.
I’ll be getting reimbursed for unused vacation days in a few weeks, so the hunt for a BSA will be in full force!
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if you haven't discovered Hector's blog yet,
I read his blog, but had missed that one.
If I need anything, he’s certainly the one to go to, it seems. I’m hoping I won’t have to modify anything, but I’m never one to leave good enough alone. Sometimes a good thing. Sometimes a bad thing.
Unfortunately, I’m not allowed yet to post external links, so I had to delete it from my response.
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Just a few more posts and you can.
Head over the the "new member intro gate" and welcome some others. ;)
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Just a few more posts and you can.
Head over the the "new member intro gate" and welcome some others. ;)
Good idea!!
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Thanks to a keen-eyed friend on this site, I was able to purchase a 430 Stutzen from that auction site.
I didn't think I would ever be able to find one so quickly after joining this site, but I did, thanks to a great individual here.
Supposedly, this particular rifle was part of an estate sale. Not sure if I'm purchasing from the original owner, a relative, or a reseller, but the info said it was purchased in 2014 for $695.
Anyhow, I can't wait to get it home and see how it shoots. Sure is a beautiful gun!!
Is it a 0.20 Cal. or a 0.177"?
HM
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Thanks to a keen-eyed friend on this site, I was able to purchase a 430 Stutzen from that auction site.
I didn't think I would ever be able to find one so quickly after joining this site, but I did, thanks to a great individual here.
Supposedly, this particular rifle was part of an estate sale. Not sure if I'm purchasing from the original owner, a relative, or a reseller, but the info said it was purchased in 2014 for $695.
Anyhow, I can't wait to get it home and see how it shoots. Sure is a beautiful gun!!
Is it a 0.20 Cal. or a 0.177"?
The listing said .177, but I should know for sure tomorrow at some point.
HM
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Thanks to a keen-eyed friend on this site, I was able to purchase a 430 Stutzen from that auction site.
I didn't think I would ever be able to find one so quickly after joining this site, but I did, thanks to a great individual here.
Supposedly, this particular rifle was part of an estate sale. Not sure if I'm purchasing from the original owner, a relative, or a reseller, but the info said it was purchased in 2014 for $695.
Anyhow, I can't wait to get it home and see how it shoots. Sure is a beautiful gun!!
Is it a 0.20 Cal. or a 0.177"?
I can confirm that it is a .177
HM
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I can confirm that it is a .177
Is the serial number in the region of 0147470x?
AND is the checkering at the wrist traditional, or fish-scales?
HM
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I can confirm that it is a .177
Is the serial number in the region of 0147470x?
AND is the checkering at the wrist traditional, or fish-scales?
HM
I can't find the serial number, but it has the fish scale checkering.
And upon further inspection, there are matching cracks on both sides of the stock coming from the rear trigger guard screw.
I'll be contacting the seller in just a few minutes. So disappointed.
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Pic #1
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Pic #3
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I can confirm that it is a .177
Is the serial number in the region of 0147470x?
AND is the checkering at the wrist traditional, or fish-scales?
HM
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Oh No!
Looks like that one can be repaired pretty well. Could be worse. There's a couple guys around that do it if you don't want to attempt it.
Heart braking to think you're getting a NOS and this happens.
I've been reinforcing gun boxes with the stiff fiberboard angle that comes on new appliances. I have contacts in the rental maintenance business that save it for me when they get new appliances. I also get carpet padding scraps to pack with.
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Oh No!
Looks like that one can be repaired pretty well. Could be worse. There's a couple guys around that do it if you don't want to attempt it.
Heart braking to think you're getting a NOS and this happens.
I've been reinforcing gun boxes with the stiff fiberboard angle that comes on new appliances. I have contacts in the rental maintenance business that save it for me when they get new appliances. I also get carpet padding scraps to pack with.
Hi Karl
I might consider that route, but the seller will have to offer me a steep refund.
It appears that the screw may have been tightened down quite a few pounds beyond torque specs. Being that the trigger guard is plastic, I would have thought that it would have broken during shipping, and it was shipped very well. My guess is that the crack has grown over the course of many years.
I think I'd like to check into a repair. Were it not a Stutzen, it would certainly be going back to the seller.
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Jess
Extensive response in your mailbox.
Look it over and let me know if I can be of further assistance.
HM
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That is nt a crack, it is a fishure. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
-Yogi
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That is nt a crack, it is a fishure. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
-Yogi
It absolutely is!! The seller lured me!!
Seriously though, the seller has been a pleasure to deal with. We both agree that this falls on USPS's handling. It could have been packed better, like in a rifle case, but the box was large enough and long enough to cushion it, but I think there may have been repeated blows to the butt of the box that eventually transferred to the rifle itself.
All hope is not lost though. I will consult someone who can repair it, and hopefully get to enjoy it without fear of further destruction. There is also another possible solution that will be mentioned in the future.
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Yep, the cocking device let go at some point! and slammed up, that's what causes those kinds of cracks in a stock in that aera! :(
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Yep, the cocking device let go at some point! and slammed up, that's what causes those kinds of cracks in a stock in that aera! :(
In the hand grip?
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Yes SIR!!!! :(
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Yes SIR!!!! :(
Oh wow, I did not know that!
As it stands, based on the seller telling me that he would've disclosed that info, and also not seeing that prior to shipping, we're in agreement that this falls on USPS.
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The grip aera is where the grain structure is usually the weakest! I have personally destroyed at least 4 air guns with too light of trigger adjustments and this is exactly where they broke the stock or cracked it in exactly the same place, it was due to the barrel slamming up which is the cocking device! I didn't mean for this to happen, but even holding on the barrel is not enough! they can get away from you before for you know what happened! Thank GOD these were with cheaper air guns in my earlier years of tuning, so I didn't lose but a hundred bucks back then! ::)
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Maybe the seller didn't know any better! and does not know what he's looking for? :-X
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Maybe the seller didn't know any better! and does not know what he's looking for? :-X
It's certainly possible. I'll go back over the auction listing to see if I can pick up on anything in the pictures he provided.
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Looking back on the pictures from the auction site, I firmly believe that this rifle was damaged during shipping.
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Yeah, there are some pretty good closeups of that very spot on the auction.
The crack is conspicuous by its absence.............
You had best save them in case they are needed by USPS......
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Yeah, there are some pretty good closeups of that very spot on the auction.
The crack is conspicuous by its absence.............
You had best save them in case they are needed by USPS......
Luckily, I had stuffed all the packing material right back into the box immediately after pulling the rifle out. Thankfully, I pulled the rifle out of the bedroom as my wife was going to bed, so I could look it over quickly before I let the pups out for the night. I went right out to the side of the road and grabbed the box from the rest of the trash, just in case. Turns out it was likely a very smart move.
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Post a link of the action pix so we can see what his pix are! 8)
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Luckily, I had stuffed all the packing material right back into the box immediately after pulling the rifle out. Thankfully, I pulled the rifle out of the bedroom as my wife was going to bed, so I could look it over quickly before I let the pups out for the night. I went right out to the side of the road and grabbed the box from the rest of the trash, just in case. Turns out it was likely a very smart move.
You were gonna throw the box away ??
What a novel idea..........
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Looking back on the pictures from the auction site, I firmly believe that this rifle was damaged during shipping.
Would you be so kind as to post a link to the auction?
THANKS!
HM
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So, what's your plan? Was any insurance purchased with the shipping carrier?
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Looking back on the pictures from the auction site, I firmly believe that this rifle was damaged during shipping.
Would you be so kind as to post a link to the auction?
THANKS!
HM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/335388931567?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=s64byr6zr_2&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=J_yKmubARqq&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
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So, what's your plan? Was any insurance purchased with the shipping carrier?
I’m not sure yet if the seller had insurance.
I have two options I’m weighing at the moment. One is to have it repaired and the other is something Hector is working on.
I’m not sure if I can share the specifics, so I’ll let him chime in if he’s ok with that.
Either way, I think the seller will have to fight it out with USPS and ultimately reimburse me for the expense I incur.
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Luckily, I had stuffed all the packing material right back into the box immediately after pulling the rifle out. Thankfully, I pulled the rifle out of the bedroom as my wife was going to bed, so I could look it over quickly before I let the pups out for the night. I went right out to the side of the road and grabbed the box from the rest of the trash, just in case. Turns out it was likely a very smart move.
You were gonna throw the box away ??
What a novel idea..........
I was. It wasn’t the original DIANA box, so nearly no need to save it.
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Bummer for sure.
If you have a legit hobby shop near by there is high quality CA glue. The "thin" is the molecular weight of water.
It will "wick" in to cracks and bond stronger then the original wood.
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Bummer for sure.
If you have a legit hobby shop near by there is high quality CA glue. The "thin" is the molecular weight of water.
It will "wick" in to cracks and bond stronger then the original wood.
I know I used to have some somewhere, but I know exactly what you're speaking of. That's actually a great idea!!
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Bummer for sure.
If you have a legit hobby shop near by there is high quality CA glue. The "thin" is the molecular weight of water.
It will "wick" in to cracks and bond stronger then the original wood.
I know I used to have some somewhere, but I know exactly what you're speaking of. That's actually a great idea!!
Buy some new stuff.
It gets old and dated....even if you keep it in the freezer as recommended it gets janky over time.
;)
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Bummer for sure.
If you have a legit hobby shop near by there is high quality CA glue. The "thin" is the molecular weight of water.
It will "wick" in to cracks and bond stronger then the original wood.
I know I used to have some somewhere, but I know exactly what you're speaking of. That's actually a great idea!!
Buy some new stuff.
It gets old and dated....even if you keep it in the freezer as recommended it gets janky over time.
;)
I still have my fingers crossed that Hector will have good news for me, but if not, it’ll be a trip up the road for the thinnest CA I can find with hopefully a needle tip applicator. If that doesn’t work, I have a contact for a trusted woodworker.
Luckily, there are options, and all seem to be able to provide a happy ending.
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And, that's is exactly why I always ship with the action removed from the stock.
Also makes for less postage on a smaller package.
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Bummer for sure.
If you have a legit hobby shop near by there is high quality CA glue. The "thin" is the molecular weight of water.
It will "wick" in to cracks and bond stronger then the original wood.
I know I used to have some somewhere, but I know exactly what you're speaking of. That's actually a great idea!!
Buy some new stuff.
It gets old and dated....even if you keep it in the freezer as recommended it gets janky over time.
;)
I still have my fingers crossed that Hector will have good news for me, but if not, it’ll be a trip up the road for the thinnest CA I can find with hopefully a needle tip applicator. If that doesn’t work, I have a contact for a trusted woodworker.
Luckily, there are options, and all seem to be able to provide a happy ending.
Yup! And it will be stronger than before.... ;)
-Y
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Bummer for sure.
If you have a legit hobby shop near by there is high quality CA glue. The "thin" is the molecular weight of water.
It will "wick" in to cracks and bond stronger then the original wood.
I know I used to have some somewhere, but I know exactly what you're speaking of. That's actually a great idea!!
Buy some new stuff.
It gets old and dated....even if you keep it in the freezer as recommended it gets janky over time.
;)
I still have my fingers crossed that Hector will have good news for me, but if not, it’ll be a trip up the road for the thinnest CA I can find with hopefully a needle tip applicator. If that doesn’t work, I have a contact for a trusted woodworker.
Luckily, there are options, and all seem to be able to provide a happy ending.
Yup! And it will be stronger than before.... ;)
-Y
Thats not necessarily a good thing. If it were to break again, you'd want it to break on the original break, not create a new break.
I would avoid CA glue (Cyano acrylate) as the polymer chain scissions and yellows over time. Be aware when you place any adhesive into a porous material this may a non reversible treatment. And if it darkens the wood and yellows over time from UV/IR exposure, it could make the repair unsightly. Now there are significantly better adhesives in terms of aging properties within the cellulose nitrate and acrylic copolymer families, specifically thinking even the 30/70 mix of Methyl Methacrylate and Poly methyl methacrylate but that comes from a museum objects viewpoint (previous profession), not a wood working one. A professional in air rifles like Hector will provide you the best guidance, or a wood worker in rifle stocks.
You purchased an unfired gun, and therefore expected essentially a brand new gun, with the stock broken especially on a gun of this nature where the unique stock was a big part of the selling point, you'll need to decide if a gun with a broken stock, even if repaired was what you wanted considering your initial purchase expectation of a brand new unfired gun.
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Those cracks were in the pix! of the auction! their faint but their there, there! sorry my friend! :( https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/2Y8AAOSwkXRmP8hU/s-l1600.webp
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Those cracks were in the pix! of the auction! their faint but their there, there! sorry my friend! :( https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/2Y8AAOSwkXRmP8hU/s-l1600.webp
Had to jump on the laptop to view them up close. It sure does appear that there's a crack there!!
I'm really torn at this point. I certainly had no plans to turn around and sell it. I tend to lean towards passing things like this on to my son when I'm gone. To him, I think the value would go beyond money.
The seller will have to pony up some money to make this right. How much remains to be seen.
Now, there is the option to have a custom stock made. ;)
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Bummer for sure.
If you have a legit hobby shop near by there is high quality CA glue. The "thin" is the molecular weight of water.
It will "wick" in to cracks and bond stronger then the original wood.
I know I used to have some somewhere, but I know exactly what you're speaking of. That's actually a great idea!!
Buy some new stuff.
It gets old and dated....even if you keep it in the freezer as recommended it gets janky over time.
;)
I still have my fingers crossed that Hector will have good news for me, but if not, it’ll be a trip up the road for the thinnest CA I can find with hopefully a needle tip applicator. If that doesn’t work, I have a contact for a trusted woodworker.
Luckily, there are options, and all seem to be able to provide a happy ending.
Yup! And it will be stronger than before.... ;)
-Y
Thats not necessarily a good thing. If it were to break again, you'd want it to break on the original break, not create a new break.
I would avoid CA glue (Cyano acrylate) as the polymer chain scissions and yellows over time. Be aware when you place any adhesive into a porous material this may a non reversible treatment. And if it darkens the wood and yellows over time from UV/IR exposure, it could make the repair unsightly. Now there are significantly better adhesives in terms of aging properties within the cellulose nitrate and acrylic copolymer families, specifically thinking even the 30/70 mix of Methyl Methacrylate and Poly methyl methacrylate but that comes from a museum objects viewpoint (previous profession), not a wood working one. A professional in air rifles like Hector will provide you the best guidance, or a wood worker in rifle stocks.
You purchased an unfired gun, and therefore expected essentially a brand new gun, with the stock broken especially on a gun of this nature where the unique stock was a big part of the selling point, you'll need to decide if a gun with a broken stock, even if repaired was what you wanted considering your initial purchase expectation of a brand new unfired gun.
I'll skip the glue and take it to a gunsmith who has experience with this sort of thing.
The stock was pretty much the entire reason for the purchase. An unused gun was a good part of it too. I want so bad to keep this gun due to its rarity, otherwise it would be going back. I'm sure someone more competent than myself can make this stock as good as new once again. I'm willing to put a few more dollars into it provided that its mostly or all the seller's money.
Ultimately, there comes a point where you just have to walk away from the whole situation and start the search all over again.
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I would repair my own but If I were you I would send it here
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Now we probably know what has caused the stock damage, I would also be checking the cocking lever and the barrel and the housing that the cocking arm locks into and make sure they're not bent or cracked! and the area where the cocking arm is attached at the receiver, IMO if the cocking arm slammed up hard enough to crack the stock usually theirs other damage to go along with it :(
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Now we probably know what has caused the stock damage, I would also be checking the cocking lever and the barrel and the housing that the cocking arm locks into and make sure they're not bent or cracked! and the area where the cocking arm is attached at the receiver, IMO if the cocking arm slammed up hard enough to crack the stock usually theirs other damage to go along with it :(
Sounds like it’s time to disassemble and inspect the rest of the rifle. If I find anything else, that’s it. I’m done. Anything beyond Hector’s attempt or sending it to Mike McKeown for repair just can’t be justified.
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I carefully disassembled the rifle and took a few pics. I expected the crack to emanate from the screw hole, but it isn’t even close. The barrel and cocking lever are equally spaced and the cocking lever locks evenly back into place with just a little effort. The trigger is tight and precise with nothing out of the ordinary to speak of.
I guess the only thing left to do is fully cock it, assess how everything operates, then fire a single shot through it.
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I’ll also add that the screw holes appear to be round, free of cracks, and not oval like a hard impact might indicate. The pic of the oil inside the stock is also round. I would think that a mechanism damaging strike might show movement of the oiled area.
I’m still very wet behind the ears, so I could be completely off.
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If you're intending to return the gun to the seller, I would not disassemble or mess with it any further...
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If you're intending to return the gun to the seller, I would not disassemble or mess with it any further...
Nope, this is as far as I plan to go. I may fire a single pellet through it, but that will be the extent of it.
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Yep, that's a slam up of the cocking device for sure! >:(
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Yep, that's a slam up of the cocking device for sure! >:(
Going to reassemble it and take a shot. That's the only way I can assess anything else that could be a problem.
Wish me luck!!
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Reassembled and fired one pellet through it with no issues with cocking it or firing. The trigger is smooth and the cocking seemed to be fine. A little recoil and fairly quiet. I didn't feel any varying resistance along the pull of the lever and it locked the chamber open without issue to allow me to load the pellet. I don't have another rifle like this to compare it to, but everything feels right about it.
If the issue with the stock can be resolved, and the seller reimburses me and agrees to return some of the money I paid, I think I will be happy.
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I think that's your best option! the stock can be fixed without a lot of expense, if all else is good? and if you want to keep the gun? that's the approach I would do! if the seller isn't willing to play along with an obvious damage before shipping which experts have looked at the action pix to see the damage prior to shipping then you have decide the fate of your money? >:(
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I think that's your best option! the stock can be fixed without a lot of expense, if all else is good? and if you want to keep the gun? that's the approach I would do! if the seller isn't willing to play along with an obvious damage before shipping which experts have looked at the action pix to see the damage prior to shipping then you have decide the fate of your money? >:(
Right now, I think it's literally down to the seller. I'm going to assume a high of $200 to fix it. I'm not sure how much to ask for from what I paid for it. The price I paid was great, but what would it's actual value be had anyone had known about the damage? That's the part I have to try to figure out.
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I have already set you these pix, this is a repaired stock, but you can still see the cracks from a barrel slamming up! (https://i.ibb.co/hD2JxPV/SAM-2086.jpg) (https://i.ibb.co/XDdWCyx/SAM-2084.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qC4Dr0Y) (https://i.ibb.co/5Rb9BxZ/SAM-2083.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DR0b5gd) (https://i.ibb.co/3mD6fGN/SAM-2082.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qYtq0Xs)
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I have already set you these pix, this is a repaired stock, but you can still see the cracks from a barrel slamming up! (https://i.ibb.co/hD2JxPV/SAM-2086.jpg) (https://i.ibb.co/XDdWCyx/SAM-2084.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qC4Dr0Y) (https://i.ibb.co/5Rb9BxZ/SAM-2083.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DR0b5gd) (https://i.ibb.co/3mD6fGN/SAM-2082.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qYtq0Xs)
Looks like a very good repair!!
It's a shame that it happened in the first place. From now on, I'll pay closer attention and ask for close up shots. I certainly learned a hard lesson with this one.
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I don't know what you paid for the gun? but if you want to fix it right? it maybe more than $200 + dollars with shipping back and forth? my suggestion is to buy a counter sink wood bit and use a wood screw or dry wall screw and predrill a hole down through the wrist aera a tic smaller that the screw you're going to use about 3/4 of the length fill it with a good wood glue about halfway and seat the screw, this should pull the wood back together, but as you can see in the pix I have posted the crack will still be viable, just my thoughts 8)
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I’ve thought about going down that road, but I think I’m more comfortable letting someone who’s done it a few times. As you can tell, my luck isn’t the best.
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OK, a few notes here:
1.- I have located a spare stock in Europe, but they want €380 for it (plus the financial cost and the freight, you are looking at a total of US$530-550 for the stock landed in the US.
2.- DIANA has not had time enough to answer, we need to give them at least a week. Europeans work at a different pace and we all need to understand that.
3.- Michael McKeown had already been suggested and yes, that would be MY choice. I also outlined to Wes, two different ways to repair the stock.
4.- There is special "wicking" CA by Loc-Tite, that does not age as bad as the normal CA's, it just needs the crack to be a LITTLE warm.
5.- Sorry to disagree, but I do NOT think the crack was caused by a flying lever, Wes' comments about the regularity of the screw holes would tend to support this theory, AND I've seen/suffered, lately, 5 different instances where cracks like these have occurred in rifle shipments, these are just 3 examples:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q70/923/egenZ2.jpg)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/989x742q70/924/HpZ5tV.jpg)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q70/923/sC00N1.jpg)
After dealing with the shipper EXTENSIVELY, I came to the conclusion that the problem is that ALL large carriers (USPS, UPS, DHL, FedEx, etc.) are handling their packages in automated facilities where the transfer between major routes at depots is made by conveyor belts.
Conveyor belts that are several stories high, and move at relatively high speed.
The "ideal" situation for a long box to fly overboard, fall a couple dozen feet into a hard, concrete, floor.
If the box lands on one of the ends, there is a "ram" effect that simply shears off the stock at the weakest point (the pistol grip).
Notice the similarities of the breaks, and relatively "clean" snap.
All these shipments were made in double boxed, properly packed with bubble wrap and styrofoam peanuts internal boxes that also had the OEM packing "blocks".
AND the carrier had the gall to send me a letter advising "better packing". >:(
It has gotten to the point where I now ship ALL guns in properly fitted hard cases (Yes, this is expensive, at $100 per pop, but it is "cheap insurance" in guns worth 6 to 20 times more), like this:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q70/924/5qqsRB.jpg)
I also ship ALL guns FULLY insured and document how I packed them and shipped them. This helps a lot when filing a claim.
6.- I honestly cannot see the "fissures" in the original posting:
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/gAkAAOSwbk9mP8hf/s-l1600.webp)
It IS a complicated issue and one that, even when solved will have repercussions on how Wes looks at the gun.
So, my comment here is that it would be best to have the stock repaired (whether Wes wants to do it, or he sends it out to someone else), and then fully internalize that this makes the the rifle a "war maiden", yes, it might not be as pristine as a princess, but she has gone through *(&^ and back and now has character.
;-)
A rifle with a story is ALWAYS more interesting than an "unfired, locked, zip-tied, safe queen, museum" piece. You feel liberated to use it and cherish it for what it is.
JMHO
Keep well and shoot straight!
HM
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Hector,
I like your outlook on the situation!
I feel like I got a great deal on an otherwise perfect rifle. With all the great advice I've received, I think I'm still breaking even at worst by having it repaired. When DIANA responds, that may change my entire outlook toward the better, but it certainly won't make matters any worse.
The first and only shot that I've fired was perfectly uneventful as well as the cocking process. Everything was exactly as you'd expect, given my limited experience with any underlever style rifle. Also, the comments about it being a war maiden are spot on as to my feelings about it as well. I'm always very careful with how I treat all my firearms, but if in the process of shooting or carrying it around it gets a ding or a scratch, I won't be as heartbroken.
Hector, I'll await your response from DIANA before moving forward, but either way, I think I'm pleasantly happy no matter where this road ends.
Thank you so much for your insight, your generosity, and your time with this situation. I owe you!!
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I once boxed up a scope to send to a new owner. I went to the UPS store to ship it. The young lady asked if I wanted to insure it. I asked her if she thought I needed to. She told me to push the box off the counter onto the concrete floor. When I declined to do that she said "yes, you need to buy insurance". :o
I took the box home and repackaged it.
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That's a good determining factor for insurance!
I told the seller he could be in for a $200 repair, and he said to just let him know, but we'll see when it ultimately comes time to pay up!
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I would also say if nothing else is a miss with the rifle and shows no signs of other damage I would not rule out shipping damage! the good thing about this is all of us came together to help this man come to a logical look at what may have happened? and what can be done to fix the problem, GOOD JOB GENTLEMEN!!!! ;D
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Very good job, indeed!!
The wealth of knowledge amongst this group is something I've rarely seen in the forums I've belonged to in many years on the web!
To say I'm humbled is an understatement.
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Very good job, indeed!!
The wealth of knowledge amongst this group is something I've rarely seen in the forums I've belonged to in many years on the web!
To say I'm humbled is an understatement.
;D ;D When Hector and M Driscoll comment we know we are in the deep end.
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Hector,
I like your outlook on the situation!
I feel like I got a great deal on an otherwise perfect rifle. With all the great advice I've received, I think I'm still breaking even at worst by having it repaired. When DIANA responds, that may change my entire outlook toward the better, but it certainly won't make matters any worse.
The first and only shot that I've fired was perfectly uneventful as well as the cocking process. Everything was exactly as you'd expect, given my limited experience with any underlever style rifle. Also, the comments about it being a war maiden are spot on as to my feelings about it as well. I'm always very careful with how I treat all my firearms, but if in the process of shooting or carrying it around it gets a ding or a scratch, I won't be as heartbroken.
Hector, I'll await your response from DIANA before moving forward, but either way, I think I'm pleasantly happy no matter where this road ends.
Thank you so much for your insight, your generosity, and your time with this situation. I owe you!!
Jess;
DIANA responded today:
"Dear Hector,
Sorry but the replacement stock of a DIANA 430 stutzen is not available anymore."
So, sorry, but we will not be able to get a replacement stock from DIANA.
I am still looking at one more possibility, but is is sort of a long shot and I am afraid to "jinx" it if I say too much about it, LOL!
The custom stock is still an option, yes, but that would still mean a $500'ish investment. There is a shop in OR that duplicates any stock, but you need to provide the wood. My estimates are based on a reasonable walnut blank and their duplication cost.
You would have to add the cost of checkering or stippling.
My MAIN worry is that the present "state of the crack" is precisely where most of the stress upon cocking goes.
I would, at least, put a bolt through the pistol grip in the correct angle for the curvature of the pistol grip, like this:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q90/922/BB5uae.jpg)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q70/922/CSPCD4.jpg)
An oak dowel is a better reinforcement:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q90/923/NQxIJc.jpg)
This stock has travelled tens of thousands of miles:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q90/924/x0AEmp.jpg)
because it became this stock:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x264q90/922/MHKy8O.jpg)
So, the method works well, and in YOUR case, where the stock has not yet separated, I am sure the repair would hardly be noticeable.
This is Mike McKeown's website:
https://www.airgunstocks.com/
Write to him, tell him I sent you and send the pictures we've all seen requesting a repair.
I am sure he will do a good job. The only thing you need to be careful to get agreed is the time, as he is a busy man.
Again, I am sorry that this happened to you. IF the "dark horse" idea pans out, I will let you know.
Do remember that the mods made to the 430L are also applicable to the 430, so a light piston will improve vastly the shot cycle. The full length stock already makes a good job at reducing the harmonics, as there are several contact points to dampen the vibrations.
You may want to read this when considering the steps AFTER the stock resolution:
https://www.ctcustomairguns.com/hectors-airgun-blog/the-430l-a-semi-custom-powerplant-part-1
Keep well and shoot straight!
HM
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Hi Hector,
Thank you very much for getting back to me about the stock from DIANA.
I'll hold on to hope for your long shot chances, but will get in touch with Mike soon with pics and to get an estimate. I've learned over time that you can't rush perfection or a busy man. You just have to wait calmly to get the desired results.
As far as a custom stock goes, I'm not going to rule that out either, although it may happen further down the road. Personally, I admire a good checkering or engraving job, but I'm perfectly content with a smooth stock.
In regards to Mike's work, if he finds that things would be easier to go through the grip, I may ask him to add a piece of walnut to the bottom with a white spacer in between to add an aesthetic touch.
When I cocked the rifle the other day, I was pleasantly surprised with the cocking effort. It really didn't seem so bad to me, so I'm content with that aspect.
I'll keep my fingers crossed for your long shot, but won't be disappointed either way.
I can't begin to thank you enough for the lengths you've gone to help a stranger in a new hobby. I hope one day to be able to repay you!
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JMO. I would be testing the accuracy of that rifle before investing a lot of money into it! ;)
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JMO. I would be testing the accuracy of that rifle before investing a lot of money into it! ;)
Very true!! After I get everything buttoned up to where I don't have to worry about the stock, I'll try it out with a scope and see what kind of results it gives.
If all turns out to be OK, then maybe, just maybe, I'll look into a custom stock. That is, if Hector's long shot doesn't pan out.
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Sorry fellas but if it were me, that gun would have been on it's way back to the seller for a full refund + return shipping the minute I saw that crack. If not I would have done everything I could to make sure he never sold another airgun again.
If there is no obvious significant damage to the box then there ain't no way it happened during shipping. If there was enough damage to the box to cause that I would have instantly requested the seller file the claim to the shipper.
The main reason people continue doing business like this is because we allow them to get away with it.... that includes shipping service providers.
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OP,
Are you sure "it has never been fired"??? ::)
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Sorry fellas but if it were me, that gun would have been on it's way back to the seller for a full refund + return shipping the minute I saw that crack. If not I would have done everything I could to make sure he never sold another airgun again.
If there is no obvious significant damage to the box then there ain't no way it happened during shipping. If there was enough damage to the box to cause that I would have instantly requested the seller file the claim to the shipper.
The main reason people continue doing business like this is because we allow them to get away with it.... that includes shipping service providers.
There is damage to the box. Shipping it back to the seller isn't out of the question just yet. He needs to agree to pay for the repair or for a new stock. If he balks, it will most certainly be going back for a full refund.
I really want to keep it, and for what I paid, I think it would still be worth what I paid if he pays for the repairs or a stock replacement. I will admit though, it would be easier to send it back and get a full refund than to go through the process of a repair.
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OP,
Are you sure "it has never been fired"??? ::)
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Honestly, I don't know. I can tell you that the original owner paid for a "10 for 10", but if it has been fired beyond that, I just don't know. I can tell you it is extremely clean in every nook and cranny. That could easily be from proper ownership too.
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Sorry fellas but if it were me, that gun would have been on it's way back to the seller for a full refund + return shipping the minute I saw that crack. If not I would have done everything I could to make sure he never sold another airgun again.
If there is no obvious significant damage to the box then there ain't no way it happened during shipping. If there was enough damage to the box to cause that I would have instantly requested the seller file the claim to the shipper.
The main reason people continue doing business like this is because we allow them to get away with it.... that includes shipping service providers.
There is damage to the box. Shipping it back to the seller isn't out of the question just yet. He needs to agree to pay for the repair or for a new stock. If he balks, it will most certainly be going back for a full refund.
I really want to keep it, and for what I paid, I think it would still be worth what I paid if he pays for the repairs or a stock replacement. I will admit though, it would be easier to send it back and get a full refund than to go through the process of a repair.
No offense intended but you certainly have more patience and desire to own this gun than I will ever have. I wish you the best of luck for a good outcome.
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Like above you are putting FAR more effort then I. It would have gone straight back.
Heck I am almost tempted to sell you my .22 at this point. :)
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If only you guys knew the level of patience I have. My fuse has certainly grown longer over the years, but once I admit defeat, that's it. Game over. If not for Hector being involved, I would have given up on the whole thing, but I love full stock rifles, be it an air rifle or a powder burner.
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Like above you are putting FAR more effort then I. It would have gone straight back.
Heck I am almost tempted to sell you my .22 at this point. :)
Shoot, don't tempt me like that! ;D
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Tricky situation. Depends what you can prove. Damage to the box is documented. Timber can check naturally sometimes assisted by a change of climate . Could even be a result of how the tree was felled .Maybe the sender is genuinely unaware of what has happened.
A screw down through the pistol grip might or will pull the crack up tight but is unlikely to obliterate the crack mark as the varnish is probably cracked .
My guess is that to do a good glue repair you would have to open the crack to get sufficient glue surface and glue penetration .
I have repaired two cracked stocks and they shot well thereafter.
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I honestly doubt the seller is going to spring for a stock repair or replacement. it's a pellet gun! I could see if you purchased the gun and have had it for a while and somehow the stock was damaged like that and you wanting to fix it, I get that, but broken before you got it is not something to me that's worth all that trouble, if you were expecting something new in box so to speak, and it arrived in that condition! I would have returned it asap! there are other guns out there just like it! that can be acquired if you want 1 that bad JMO, I agree avator on this 1! 100% :(
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BTW... Kudos to Hector for going the extra mile and trying to help a new comer to the forum along with all other contributors to this thread.
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In the original ad for the gun, the seller says ( no returns). That would have been a big red flag.
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In the original ad for the gun, the seller says ( no returns). That would have been a big red flag.
OK, that's ugly.
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In the original ad for the gun, the seller says ( no returns). That would have been a big red flag.
Really no big deal.
If the item is defective ebay will generally step in to resolve the situation.
It is conceivable that the OP could wind up with a full refund and keep the rifle............
I have had that result before, but usually on items that were less costly.
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Wood is repairable. I would simply drill for a screw to clamp it and put some thin slow cure CA in the crack. Once it has had time to cure, remove screw, and drill for a dowel to be glued down through the grip. Don't have to go all the way through the bottom of the grip. File/whittle the top of the dowel down to the inletting.
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Everyone has good points as to whether to keep it or send it back. I ended up getting it for just under $450 after shipping and taxes. I feel like I got a good deal on it without the damage, and pending the repair or Hector’s luck, may still end up with a good deal.
At that point, the ball will be in the seller’s court. I’m not going to pay much more, if anything, due to packing or handling mishaps.
My only responsibility was to pay the seller. I held up my end of the deal.
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delete.....
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I have been known to go to great lengths to save a gun that would have made more economical sense to scrap.
I do it for the personal satisfaction of knowing that I could figure out how do do it, then did...........
And, the added satisfaction of knowing that I was salvaging something uncommon is just icing on the cake.
It is not always about the dollars and cents...........
btw.... I had never considered the technique of orientating a screw from the top down.
There is seriously more meat to grip in the pistol grip area below the crack, and no plugged hole apparent from the bottom...
Good idea c_m_.............
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Only posting this because so many of you keep recommending CA/super glue (Poly Methyl Cyanoacrylate). If you want to use it for your own personal use, that is your right to do so with your own belongings, but there are better adhesive choices for long term aging properties, adhesion qualities, resistance to temperature, shock, UV, load capacity in recommending an adhesive to someone else.
Some information on CA adhesive. Ultraviolet light (the sun) and alkali environments will break down their bonds, with commercial brands their quality is variable often containing added plasticizers, some solvent resistance in long term reversal (Horie 1987). They're usually used for temporary adhesion like holding something in place due to their fast set capability while a second adhesive with better long term aging properties but may have a slower setting time is used, after which the CA is removed (Down 2001). See the attached overview of CA literature, if anyone would like additional literature, I can provide more peer reviewed research and books on the topic.
Sources cited: Materials for Conservation, C.V. Horie, and Down, Jane. A literature review of cyanoacrylate adhesives.
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We use CA for glueing components on arrows. They seem to take quite a bit of impact. In the way I recomended, the CA only carries the load until the dowel is installed. Use any glue you like for that.
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Wood is repairable. I would simply drill for a screw to clamp it and put some thin slow cure CA in the crack. Once it has had time to cure, remove screw, and drill for a dowel to be glued down through the grip. Don't have to go all the way through the bottom of the grip. File/whittle the top of the dowel down to the inletting.
Different strokes, different folks...
As a hardened "functionalist" I like the "testimony" of the dowel being apparent.
It has been so in MANY classic high end airguns, from the Walther LGV/Spezial (some later models) all the way to the DIANA 75 and 100. Even some FWB300's show it.
SOME airguns that have a "shelf" at the bottom, are also hiding the dowel.
Beech is a good stock material for piston airguns because it is LESS solid than walnut and a bit heavier. In that sense, it absorbs more of the vibrations and adds a bit more weight, both of which help with good performance in a spring-piston airgun.
There are many ways to skin a squirrel....
Let's hope this ends well.
HM
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Wood is repairable. I would simply drill for a screw to clamp it and put some thin slow cure CA in the crack. Once it has had time to cure, remove screw, and drill for a dowel to be glued down through the grip. Don't have to go all the way through the bottom of the grip. File/whittle the top of the dowel down to the inletting.
Different strokes, different folks...
As a hardened "functionalist" I like the "testimony" of the dowel being apparent.
It has been so in MANY classic high end airguns, from the Walther LGV/Spezial (some later models) all the way to the DIANA 75 and 100. Even some FWB300's show it.
SOME airguns that have a "shelf" at the bottom, are also hiding the dowel.
Beech is a good stock material for piston airguns because it is LESS solid than walnut and a bit heavier. In that sense, it absorbs more of the vibrations and adds a bit more weight, both of which help with good performance in a spring-piston airgun.
There are many ways to skin a squirrel....
Let's hope this ends well.
HM
Fingers crossed, Hector.
Hope springs eternal!!
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Yep, that's a slam up of the cocking device for sure! >:(
Could also be caused by holding the wrist of the stock, while cocking.
Same thing happens to Sheridans when held improperly, while pumping.
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Yep, that's a slam up of the cocking device for sure! >:(
Could also be caused by holding the wrist of the stock, while cocking.
Same thing happens to Sheridans when held improperly, while pumping.
True that... I see these gorilla types on videos all the time pumping and cocking guns while holding them by the wrists. Just because they can don't mean they should. I wouldn't... even if I could. ::) :-\
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Yep, that's a slam up of the cocking device for sure! >:(
Could also be caused by holding the wrist of the stock, while cocking.
Same thing happens to Sheridans when held improperly, while pumping.
True that... I see these gorilla types on videos all the time pumping and cocking guns while holding them by the wrists. Just because they can don't mean they should. I wouldn't... even if I could. ::) :-\
Maybe that's why I have these huge ape hands? I'll look at our family TREE again.
And I always cock a springer holding by the wrist. Butt of the rifle on my hip. Grasp the barrel with my left hand and SNAP! Even with my harder to cock Theobens and bank vault lock up Webleys. I don't usually "monkey" with any pumpers. I don't go for all that hand waving and swapping hands to cock a gun. Cock n shoot, cock n shoot, cock n shoot
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That’s pretty much how I cock mine too. I’m usually pretty fluid in how I cock the rifle. Just keep giving it a more gradual effort until it gets cocked.
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No offense intended with the "gorilla" reference.
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Don't sweat over it any longer.
Cut your losses and dump it....
I'll give you a few $ for a broken gun. ;)
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If my intentions were not to have a prized safe queen I would, at this point, repair it with a glued in dowel and shoot the snot out of it. If it were to be a heirloom possession I would be screaming so loud the entire World would have trouble sleeping at night.... especially the seller.
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JMO, know 1 really knows when the pix were taken that were shown in the auction pix? those pix could have been taken when the seller first got the gun! and IMO, broke the stock posted good pix, it's funny to me he had a no return offering for this Item supposed new in the box! >:(
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Don't sweat over it any longer.
Cut your losses and dump it....
I'll give you a few $ for a broken gun. ;)
;D Not gonna sweat over it any longer. Gonna have her fixed up. If she shoots as good as she looks, it'll still be worth the effort.
It's all in the seller's hands now though. If they pay for the repair, I'll be happy. If they don't, then it goes back and I move on to something similar.
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If my intentions were not to have a prized safe queen I would, at this point, repair it with a glued in dowel and shoot the snot out of it. If it were to be a heirloom possession I would be screaming so loud the entire World would have trouble sleeping at night.... especially the seller.
It was somewhat intended to be a very well taken care of, but fired occasionally safe queen. Now we move on to the shoot the snot out of it phase, per the seller's response to fixing it.
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JMO, know 1 really knows when the pix were taken that were shown in the auction pix? those pix could have been taken when the seller first got the gun! and IMO, broke the stock posted good pix, it's funny to me he had a no return offering for this Item supposed new in the box! >:(
That's very true. You have no idea at all, and I don't know if I can look up the "properties" of the photo to get an idea. I want to give the seller the benefit of the doubt, but in reality, you just never know.
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I really can't see how it can be in the sellers's hands when he specifically posted "no returns". To me that screams "buy at your own risk" which you did.
I hate to be all negative but in my opinion you're going to receive nothing more than finger wagging from the seller. All you have at that happens is some negative feedback.
At this point I think you have 2 options...
Fix it and move on or sit in it and let it eat your lunch.
I've had to learn my lessons the hard way as well. Now I won't buy anything used outside of this forum and from trusted/proven members. Heck, I don't even trust other forums. I don't know those folks.
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I really can't see how it can be in the sellers's hands when he specifically posted "no returns". To me that screams "buy at your own risk" which you did.
I hate to be all negative but in my opinion you're going to receive nothing more than finger wagging from the seller. All you have at that happens is some negative feedback.
At this point I think you have 2 options...
Fix it and move on or sit in it and let it eat your lunch.
I think I still have recourse being that it was not in the condition stated, but I'd still rather have it fixed and shoot it for years to come.
I'm waiting to hear back from Mike, and hopefully the seller will come through with no issues. I really think it would be in their best interest to compensate me for the stock vs fighting with an eBay return, if there's a chance.
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I think I still have recourse being that it was not in the condition stated
True dat.............
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Did the seller insure the rifle? if so, how much? :(
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Did the seller insure the rifle? if so, how much? :(
No idea just yet. I hope they did, just in case I return it. I might be able to see that info on the postage label.
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Jess, you need to know! and if the value of insurance is say, $600 or more? and you get to return it? you have played into his hands IMO >:(
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I disagree with basically everything Mark is saying.
Having no returns on an eBay item is pretty typical for small time sellers. I also list no returns on occasional item I sell. I am not a business, and so I don't want to deal with returns.
In regards to the insurance and item. Ebay almost always rules in favor of the buyer, not the seller. If you used PayPal, thats an additional layer of protection, if you used a credit card via PayPal, thats yet another layer of protection where you can lodge complaints about the damaged item. So if you feel the need to go through an arbitration process, it's tilted in the buyer's favor, and you likely have these multiple layers of protection depending on how you paid. Whether the seller accepts returns or not, or insured to package or not, the seller had a duty to ship the item in such a way that it was protected to make the journey undamaged to the buyer.
You should be communicating with the seller though at this point and negotiating a plan on either to return the item, or to get a percent of your purchase price refunded to cover the damage. If the seller is not communicating, start utilizing the eBay buyer protections process.
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Jess, you need to know! and if the value of insurance is say, $600 or more? and you get to return it? you have played into his hands IMO >:(
"dang"....I never even looked at that angle. I'm really naïve when it comes to that part of selling and buying. I put way to much faith into people doing what's right.
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Quote from EBay listing:
"Return policy
Return policy details
Seller does not accept returns
Refer to eBay Return policy for more details. You are covered by the eBay Money Back Guarantee if you receive an item that is not as described in the listing."
It seems to me that YOU would be the one filing a claim to EBay. I would have filed a claim as soon as I received that gun.
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Quote from EBay listing:
"Return policy
Return policy details
Seller does not accept returns
Refer to eBay Return policy for more details. You are covered by the eBay Money Back Guarantee if you receive an item that is not as described in the listing."
It seems to me that YOU would be the one filing a claim to EBay. I would have filed a claim as soon as I received that gun.
Exactly. However if he can contact the seller first, he might come to a more amenable agreement that includes keeping the gun but receiving part of his purchase price back (if thats his goal). Ebay is not going to negotiate that type of deal.
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Quote from EBay listing:
"Return policy
Return policy details
Seller does not accept returns
Refer to eBay Return policy for more details. You are covered by the eBay Money Back Guarantee if you receive an item that is not as described in the listing."
It seems to me that YOU would be the one filing a claim to EBay. I would have filed a claim as soon as I received that gun.
Exactly. However if he can contact the seller first, he might come to a more amenable agreement that includes keeping the gun but receiving part of his purchase price back (if thats his goal). Ebay is not going to negotiate that type of deal.
That is what I'm hoping for. I think it would be in the sellers best interest to fork over a few dollars to keep this from escalating further and to not deal with eBay or any bad marks against them.
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Denby95 - Good Point.
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You guy's might disagree with me? but it brought you all out to help!!!! I have no idea what ebay or the seller can do to correct this problem! I don't want to see any of our members of this forum get jacked on buying an air gun!!! which is why I opened all the doors! Thank you, guys!!! you can call me an Ahole all you want, but you have answered the call again thank you gentlemen!! I would never buy something like this off ebay! like avtor only from people who have a credible sales JMO ;)
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You guy's might disagree with me? but it brought you all out to help!!!! I have no idea what ebay or the seller can do to correct this problem! I don't want to see any of our members of this forum get jacked on buying an air gun!!! which is why I opened all the doors! Thank you, guys!!! you can call me an Ahole all you want, but you have answered the call again thank you gentlemen!! I would never buy something like this off ebay! like avtor only from people who have a credible sales JMO ;)
And I’d like to add to that, that the help here has been absolutely tremendous regardless of where it came from.
The seller has stated that they would refund me $200 toward the repair, and I’m ok with that. As soon as I hear back from Mike McKeown, the stock will be headed to California.
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That's what we're talking about, if your happy I'll say nothing else 8)
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That's what we're talking about, if your happy I'll say nothing else 8)
I'm happy with the outcome. I won't lie and say I'm as happy as I would be with an unaltered stock, but now I can maybe have the stock modified a tad to add a little touch of personality. Maybe a little walnut with a white spacer added to the base of the grip if Mike decides to run a dowel through that end, and maybe replace the schnabel with walnut and a white spacer to match the base of the grip. Whatever I do, the cool thing is that I'm not hurting anything at this point.
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Good news... hopefully this will put this issue to bed. You can always keep your eye open for another stock in good shape. You never know, something might come up.
This has been a good lesson on what can happen when buying from auction sites and strangers. There is way too much shady ripoff stuff going on in the World right now... everything should be questioned.
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I absolutely agree 100% avator! ;)
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The risks are there, sure. But for instance I wouldn't have a single airgun if I didn't buy them off strangers, unseen (outside photos). It is rare for things to go wrong. I do go over the photos carefully and ask lots of tough questions, though.
When it comes to repairing / attaching things with CA, my experience is the stuff has lousy shock resistance. These days, I only use it for stuff where there is little to no stress subjected to the joint (archery included).
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Good news... hopefully this will put this issue to bed. You can always keep your eye open for another stock in good shape. You never know, something might come up.
This has been a good lesson on what can happen when buying from auction sites and strangers. There is way too much shady ripoff stuff going on in the World right now... everything should be questioned.
Absolutely!! I'll definitely be questioning and scrutinizing pricier purchases from now on.
If, IF, I ever buy another rifle from anyone not experienced in the shipping process, I'll either instruct them how to do it correctly, or I'll make the drive to purchase directly (within a reasonable distance ;D)
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I would try to dowel it from the inside if possible small dowels crossed if possible. David
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I have a Gamo Challenger with a wooden stock. It has a factory installed steel screw that is inserted down through the pistol grip from the top. Gamo thought it needed it and it gives confidence in the robustness of the pistol grip.
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I’m currently working on a solution to fix it, and that’s the route I plan to take on mine as well. I just need to start sourcing the right parts and supplies.