Unfired 430 Stutzen on the way!

[Denby95]

I disagree with basically everything Mark is saying.

Having no returns on an eBay item is pretty typical for small time sellers. I also list no returns on occasional item I sell. I am not a business, and so I don't want to deal with returns.

In regards to the insurance and item. Ebay almost always rules in favor of the buyer, not the seller. If you used PayPal, thats an additional layer of protection, if you used a credit card via PayPal, thats yet another layer of protection where you can lodge complaints about the damaged item. So if you feel the need to go through an arbitration process, it's tilted in the buyer's favor, and you likely have these multiple layers of protection depending on how you paid. Whether the seller accepts returns or not, or insured to package or not, the seller had a duty to ship the item in such a way that it was protected to make the journey undamaged to the buyer.

You should be communicating with the seller though at this point and negotiating a plan on either to return the item, or to get a percent of your purchase price refunded to cover the damage. If the seller is not communicating, start utilizing the eBay buyer protections process.

[eyeguy74]

Jess, you need to know! and if the value of insurance is say, $600 or more? and you get to return it? you have played into his hands IMO

"dang"....I never even looked at that angle. I'm really naïve when it comes to that part of selling and buying. I put way to much faith into people doing what's right.

[caudie]

Quote from EBay listing:

"Return policy
Return policy details
Seller does not accept returns
Refer to eBay Return policy for more details. You are covered by the eBay Money Back Guarantee  if you receive an item that is not as described in the listing."

It seems to me that YOU would be the one filing a claim to EBay.  I would have filed a claim as soon as I received that gun. 

[Denby95]

Quote from EBay listing:

"Return policy
Return policy details
Seller does not accept returns
Refer to eBay Return policy for more details. You are covered by the eBay Money Back Guarantee  if you receive an item that is not as described in the listing."

It seems to me that YOU would be the one filing a claim to EBay.  I would have filed a claim as soon as I received that gun.

Exactly. However if he can contact the seller first, he might come to a more amenable agreement that includes keeping the gun but receiving part of his purchase price back (if thats his goal). Ebay is not going to negotiate that type of deal.

[eyeguy74]

Quote from EBay listing:

"Return policy
Return policy details
Seller does not accept returns
Refer to eBay Return policy for more details. You are covered by the eBay Money Back Guarantee  if you receive an item that is not as described in the listing."

It seems to me that YOU would be the one filing a claim to EBay.  I would have filed a claim as soon as I received that gun.

Exactly. However if he can contact the seller first, he might come to a more amenable agreement that includes keeping the gun but receiving part of his purchase price back (if thats his goal). Ebay is not going to negotiate that type of deal.

That is what I'm hoping for. I think it would be in the sellers best interest to fork over a few dollars to keep this from escalating further and to not deal with eBay or any bad marks against them.

[caudie]

Denby95 - Good Point.

[Mark 611]

You guy's might disagree with me? but it brought you all out to help!!!! I have no idea what ebay or the seller can do to correct this problem! I don't want to see any of our members of this forum get jacked on buying an air gun!!! which is why I opened all the doors! Thank you, guys!!! you can call me an Ahole all you want, but you have answered the call again thank you gentlemen!! I would never buy something like this off ebay! like avtor only from people who have a credible sales JMO

[eyeguy74]

You guy's might disagree with me? but it brought you all out to help!!!! I have no idea what ebay or the seller can do to correct this problem! I don't want to see any of our members of this forum get jacked on buying an air gun!!! which is why I opened all the doors! Thank you, guys!!! you can call me an Ahole all you want, but you have answered the call again thank you gentlemen!! I would never buy something like this off ebay! like avtor only from people who have a credible sales JMO

And I’d like to add to that, that the help here has been absolutely tremendous regardless of where it came from.
The seller has stated that they would refund me $200 toward the repair, and I’m ok with that. As soon as I hear back from Mike McKeown, the stock will be headed to California.

[Mark 611]

That's what we're talking about, if your happy I'll say nothing else

[eyeguy74]

That's what we're talking about, if your happy I'll say nothing else

I'm happy with the outcome. I won't lie and say I'm as happy as I would be with an unaltered stock, but now I can maybe have the stock modified a tad to add a little touch of personality. Maybe a little walnut with a white spacer added to the base of the grip if Mike decides to run a dowel through that end, and maybe replace the schnabel with walnut and a white spacer to match the base of the grip. Whatever I do, the cool thing is that I'm not hurting anything at this point.

[avator]

Good news... hopefully this will put this issue to bed. You can always keep your eye open for another stock in good shape. You never know, something might come up.
This has been a good lesson on what can happen when buying from auction sites and strangers. There is way too much shady ripoff stuff going on in the World right now... everything should be questioned.

[Mark 611]

I absolutely agree 100% avator!

[Toxylon]

The risks are there, sure. But for instance I wouldn't have a single airgun if I didn't buy them off strangers, unseen (outside photos). It is rare for things to go wrong. I do go over the photos carefully and ask lots of tough questions, though.

When it comes to repairing / attaching things with CA, my experience is the stuff has lousy shock resistance. These days, I only use it for stuff where there is little to no stress subjected to the joint (archery included).

[eyeguy74]

Good news... hopefully this will put this issue to bed. You can always keep your eye open for another stock in good shape. You never know, something might come up.
This has been a good lesson on what can happen when buying from auction sites and strangers. There is way too much shady ripoff stuff going on in the World right now... everything should be questioned.

Absolutely!! I'll definitely be questioning and scrutinizing pricier purchases from now on.
If, IF, I ever buy another rifle from anyone not experienced in the shipping process, I'll either instruct them how to do it correctly, or I'll make the drive to purchase directly (within a reasonable distance  )

[Rocker1]

 I would try to dowel it from the inside if possible small dowels crossed if possible.  David

[Novagun]

I have a Gamo Challenger with a wooden stock. It has a factory installed steel screw that is inserted down through the pistol grip from the top. Gamo thought it needed it and it gives confidence in the robustness of the pistol grip.

[eyeguy74]

I’m currently working on a solution to fix it, and that’s the route I plan to take on mine as well. I just need to start sourcing the right parts and supplies.