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Title: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 14, 2011, 01:13:40 PM
Hey guys,
After spending a little time researching the Big bores it seems like it is not a product that you can just go out and buy, it looks like just about everywhere I look there are waiting lists and options to the guns. In researching guns the ones that I most about were  DAQs, Corsairs, and Jack Haleys. Are there any more that I should look into? I am looking at the up to $700 range and realize that generally the most important factors are quality, accuracy, and noise. Or at least that is what would seem to me to be the most important factors? Also what are some thoughts on size, I am leaning towards .308  but what about the other options, .457, or 50,  It sounds like .308 might give more shots per fill and maintains really good down range energy, just wondering what the seasoned big bore vets think?
Any info would be appreciated!

Thanks,

Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Nomadic Pirate on November 14, 2011, 01:35:23 PM
What are you looking at a big bore for ? that would go a long way towards any suggestions

Korean big bores are out there readily avaiable off the shelf and for about 550 bucks
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: lloyd-ss on November 14, 2011, 01:47:49 PM
What NP said, x 2.
You hit on a couple of points already: noise and lots of air.  Unless you just want one (which is certainly a good enough reason), or have specific purpose, they can be some work.
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: SAADE on November 14, 2011, 02:16:44 PM
x 3, and the Korean Big Bores are readily available at Pyramyd Air and elsewhere in the $500-$700 range. Sam Yang, Shin Sung, Evanix and a few others (spelling optional).

Not a lot of ".50's" but .45, 9mm etc etc

As said, lot's of air (volume) per shot and typically, lot's of noise! Many Korean guns have dual air cylinders (over/under) for that reason. Many also have threaded muzzles for LDCs "quietness".
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Nomadic Pirate on November 14, 2011, 02:21:36 PM
All Koreans have a threaded Barrel to accomodate an LDC
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: SAADE on November 14, 2011, 02:27:21 PM
Kamora 187:

Follow the Pirate, he's the big-bore afficionado and hunter!
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 14, 2011, 02:45:09 PM
Thanks guys, I am wanting one for shooting and hunting. I would guess hunting would include hogs and deer. I was not sure about the Korean guns but it sounds like they have some fans out here. The dragon Claw looks pretty impressive and would probably fit the hunting aspect of wanting a big bore. I started out last year with a benji xl1100 and that spring boarded me into the AG world and am very excited to get into the big bore world. Manny and many others were very helpful and always willing to share knowledge on the Benji/Crosman gate so I figured I would see what the big bore gurus thought?
I will take a closer look at the Korean guns.
Thanks guys!
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 14, 2011, 02:52:26 PM
One thing that I will add is that I love some of the videos that you see of the big bores shooting and some are so quite but still chunk a big hunk of lead. I have heard that the Korean guns are very loud compared to others, but now I can tap into your knowledge and experience to get some ideas. Keeping it quite is pretty important, especially since I do plan to hunt with it. The first big bore videos that I watched were from  tofazfou on youtube and liked how quiet the guns were.
Thanks,
Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Nomadic Pirate on November 14, 2011, 02:59:15 PM
Airguns sound much quieter on Videos than they do in real life here is a video shooting 2 DAQ Pistols that are very loud, so don't go from what you hear on videos

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/th_003-5.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/?action=view&current=003-5.mp4)


Neil Clague will make you a very effective LDc to take that sound down considerably.

The 909s would be your best choice for starters, lots af good cheap ammo out there fot it and better compromise of Caliber, .....sits perfectly between the .357 and the .50
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 14, 2011, 03:59:32 PM
Manny,
Great pics and videos! Archery, air guns now just add fishing and we could be related :) I appreciate you sharing what you know about the big bores! Of the big bores you own or have shot, what is your favorite? and why?
Thanks,
Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Nomadic Pirate on November 14, 2011, 04:56:32 PM
My favorite is the Shin Sung Career 707 Ultra .357

6 shots lever action repeter, great power adjusting options to be used for both Small and Big game, extremely Accurate and powerfull

I like it so much that I just bought a 2nd one :)
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 14, 2011, 05:31:52 PM
Manny,
Who sells them? It sounds cool, I like the repeating part!

Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Nomadic Pirate on November 14, 2011, 05:38:13 PM
can't find them anymore, no one imports them anylonger
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: SAADE on November 14, 2011, 05:45:48 PM
Travis, I'm not finding e'm for sale (new) in Google searches. Pyramyd Air has discontinued them (it's an older model but great gun)

Try American Airguns Classifieds and Yellow Forum Classifieds and post "wanted" on our forum classifieds too.

Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Butcher45 on November 14, 2011, 08:36:20 PM
If you are looking to hunt deer, you will likely need something .40caliber and up to hunt the airgun-legal deer states. 

I say go with the 909, or 909S and have it power tuned (I have a tuned 2tube version).  Order some un-sized EPP/UG's at the same time so you will have a bunch of proven ammo all ready to shoot out of it. 

These things are loud, but I have seen a coyote stopped with a sqweaker just seconds after I shot his buddy that was standing right next to him.  He stopped for awhile, too.  Not sure he would have stopped had he heard a super-sonic gunshot from a .223-.243

The ballistics are very much like a target/standard loaded .45ACP, so I wouldn't shoot it anywhere I wouldn't want to shoot a .45ACP.

Google "Butcher45 Sam Yang 909" and "boolit links".....then you can bore yourself for hours lol!
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: SAADE on November 14, 2011, 09:55:59 PM
Travis here's a link to the video for a Sumatra Korean Rifle, it's a .22 but the same applies for the bigger bore guns from that maker.

https://www.pyramydair.com/video-details/sumatra-2500-500cc-agr-episode-34/224 (https://www.pyramydair.com/video-details/sumatra-2500-500cc-agr-episode-34/224)
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 15, 2011, 11:57:47 AM
Thanks guys, I will check that out. So is it just me or do the Korean gun seem a bit slower than say the DAQ, Corsair or Jack Haley? Is it because the Korean guns have lower max psi? I wish the 909 .45 was a lever action, that is pretty cool!

Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 15, 2011, 01:15:05 PM
ok another question, are the carbon fiber paintball HPA tanks pre-regulated so that they cannot be used for AGs? I see a ton for sale but I am guessing most cannot be used for AGs. Is there a specific valve that is required for AGs? I am guessing most scuba tanks will work?

Thanks,
Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Nomadic Pirate on November 15, 2011, 02:05:58 PM
Can't help you there, I use pumps
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: SAADE on November 15, 2011, 02:42:23 PM
Travis: There are so many brands and combos of fill connections etc etc that no one has all the answers. Here's the drill for PCPs,

1) Settle in on one or two guns that you are sure you want, make, model and caliber
2) Read the specs for fill pressures in PSI or Bar, determine the filler connector type (ie Foster or others)
3) Determine what bottles/tanks match your fill pressure and volume needs (big-bores need big volume)
4) Determine what connector is on the bottle(s) that meet your needs (ie DIN or SCUBA or..?)
5) Based on the above, find a good quality braided stainless fill hose with proper connectors (shorter is better)

Check out the HPA bottle guys on line, there a lot of them, most also have or will make hoses as needed.
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 15, 2011, 03:20:40 PM
Dang Manny, I would guess that you get one heck of a workout pumping up the big bores! What kind of pump do you use, or do you mean a HP compressor?  Thanks Brian, I appreciate the info this would be my first PCP so other than reading posts and such I am very green with that side of AGs. So if your gun holds 3000 psi you would need a tank that has more than 3000 psi to fill it right? After the first fill you would not get any subsequent full fills if you had a 3000psi tank, right?

Thanks guys,

Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Nomadic Pirate on November 15, 2011, 04:31:11 PM
Actually it isn't all that bad, more on the tedious side since you have to pump slowly.

I have 7 pumps, Hills, Axors and G4s, I rotate them so they never really get hot and I can keep filling without having to wait for them to cool down :)
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Butcher45 on November 15, 2011, 04:52:08 PM
 :o SEVEN PUMPS!?!?!?!?!?  :o
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 15, 2011, 04:57:12 PM
wow, 7. ok I will keep the pump in mind. Are the three you mentioned similar or is there one make that is better?
Thanks,
Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: SAADE on November 15, 2011, 05:02:36 PM
Travis, not exactly, you want high-pressure and a lot of volume. Pressure is the force or expansion potential of the air or gas, it is related to volume based on the cylinder size but, 1 cubic foot of air at 3500 psi is the same pressure as 100 cubic feet at 3500 psi. So, imagine the typical 100 cubic foot tank, it's volume in cubic dimensions is not 100 cubic foot (physical) it's volume is defined by the amount of air (100 cubic feet) that can be compressed into it at 3500 psi. Like stuffing a pound of hamburger into a container that will only hold 1/4 pound of water, water won't compress, hamburger will.

OK, there is a lot more physics at play here but that would take two forums to engage in, suffice to say, you want the highest pressure (4000 psi max) with the greatest volume you can tote around or physically manage.

Here's a link to SCUBA tank myths and facts, it's a good read for the concepts at work here.

http://www.divegearexpress.com/library/tanks.shtml (http://www.divegearexpress.com/library/tanks.shtml)
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: SAADE on November 15, 2011, 05:08:03 PM
Travis, ever try to walk in a wind storm with an empty trash can, into the wind? (you know after leaf raking etc)

Ever wonder why that empty can has so much resistance in the wind? Yes, some of it is wind velocity but, much of it is the weight of AIR filling the can. 1 cu ft of air (on average) weighs approximately 0.0807 lbs.
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Nomadic Pirate on November 15, 2011, 05:09:13 PM
Quote from: Butcher45 on November 15, 2011, 04:52:08 PM
:o SEVEN PUMPS!?!?!?!?!?  :o


LOL, .......2 G4s, 2 Axors, 3 Hills


the Hills are better
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 15, 2011, 05:35:42 PM
Thanks for the info and the link Brian, I will check that out. So Butcher had recommended the foster connect for the 909, is this the item in question? Since I am not up on all of the PCP\Big Bore verbiage as of yet I thought pictures might work better?
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/replacement-probe-1-8-bspp-fits-shinsung-career-sumatra-seneca-rifles?a=448 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/replacement-probe-1-8-bspp-fits-shinsung-career-sumatra-seneca-rifles?a=448)
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: SAADE on November 15, 2011, 06:17:50 PM
That should be the one, Foster Fittings are like the QD fitting on a compressor hose, these are 1/8" threads.
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 15, 2011, 06:37:46 PM
Thanks Brian! One other thing, after surfing around I noticed some performance numbers on the 909 and 909s, I did not realize that the 909s had better performance, than the 909 double. Sounds like with tuning it is even better, which sounds good for hunting! Things are starting to fall into place now :) Next I just have to get the fill needs in order without breaking the bank..
Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: melloroadman on November 15, 2011, 07:01:27 PM
This is the correct foster that you need .Marvin
http://www.bgmfairguns.com/fosteradapters.html (http://www.bgmfairguns.com/fosteradapters.html)
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 16, 2011, 12:58:54 AM
Thanks Marvin, I appreciate the info!
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: SAADE on November 16, 2011, 12:30:46 PM
Got that gun yet? ha ha ha

Brian
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 16, 2011, 01:12:02 PM
hahaha, I had it in cart yesterday and ready to check out then figured I better wait until I get the method of fill figured out. So, I am trying not to PO the wife too much. Last fall I bought a new boat and a new AR15 and a Benji NPXL1100. So if I can fly it under the radar if I don't go crazy on filling it up with air i won't get yelled at too much..The gun is not an issue but some of the fill methods are more than the gun, so just trying to figure out what is a good cost effective way to go.

Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Nomadic Pirate on November 16, 2011, 01:14:52 PM
Start of with a Hill Pump, than if in the future you feel like going tanks you can and  you can save slowly and don't need to rush it :)
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 16, 2011, 01:38:00 PM
Hi Manny, that might be the way that I go. I have a lead on a 4500 psi carbon tank so I will see if that pans out also. So let me pick your guys' brains on the 909 or 909s. The 909s holds less air but has more power and the 909 holds more air and less power right? Both guns are listed in the 700-750 range out of the box but I am seeing videos of guys saying they are tuning them to shoot much higher, is there anything notable about the tuning of these that I should know? I want high power for hunting but finding a middle ground for plinking would be nice also. I watched a video of a guy that had his 909 tuned and has 7 shots all over 800 fps and some over 900. So 7 shots seems like a lot of shots at those velocities, he was shooting a 141 grn ball I think and started at 2600psi? So if he is getting 800-900 fps for 7+ shots with the 909 that makes me question if that is a fluke and what way to go, 909 or 909s? What do you guys think?  here is the video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8727850198488620454 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8727850198488620454)

Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Butcher45 on November 16, 2011, 02:05:49 PM
Quote from: kamora187 on November 16, 2011, 01:38:00 PM
I want high power for hunting but finding a middle ground for plinking would be nice also.
Travis

Me too. 

A tuned 2tube 909 is just the ticket for that application.
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Nomadic Pirate on November 16, 2011, 02:43:53 PM
I only use my Big Bores for Hunting, so I want maximum possible power and really don't need more than 3 shots, that's why I bought the 909s version, if you're planning to do some plinking too than the 2 tube is a better choice.

The Tune don't just gives more power, but tightens up the shot to shot speed variation too
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 16, 2011, 04:15:07 PM
Thanks guys, I hope you don't mind all the questions! So on the 909 they say that you can cock it half way for medium power, would that not be sufficient for when  you want to plink around? or is it too much of a drop to do the half cocked version? You would think having it tuned for max power then use half cock to mess around? Lastly, have you guys heard of anyone getting the speeds he was getting with the 909 or 909s? Those were the highest speeds I have seen.

Thanks,
Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: SAADE on November 16, 2011, 05:07:55 PM
So... Got that gun yet? ha ha ha

Brian
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: melloroadman on November 16, 2011, 05:45:56 PM
Take a look at this sight . I have never had him tune a rifle .But he made the barrels for me when I changed my 909 dual tube to a 32 caliber and my 201 to a 25 caliber . Work was first rate and fast . It will give you a very good idea as to what to expect out of a stock and tuned rifle . I wish I had bought the single tube when I bought mine . Just not enough shot count difference to make up for the power lose IMO . One more note . The dual tube can be very hard to hold still in a cross wind of 10 plus mph . There is a lot of area that is being hit with the wind . Marvin
https://sites.google.com/site/saddlemountaingunsmith/services
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 16, 2011, 06:30:06 PM
Thanks Marvin, great info! It sure sounds like the 909s is going to be the one. And no I have not ordered it yet, it would sure look nice in my safe since I have no way to fill it yet. I have a couple emails out for tanks and am thinking about a pump. I was just out surfing the web and saw some hits on converting paitball tanks for airgun use. Since the paintball tanks have a built in regulator that maintains like 800 or so FPS you need to replace the valve and can have a 4500psi tank for like $200. Have you guys heard of that and is it worth it? Any issues?
Thanks,
Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 16, 2011, 06:31:18 PM
Brian, you crack me up  ;D
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: melloroadman on November 16, 2011, 06:59:46 PM
Be careful about the 4500 tanks . I am not really up on them . It seems that at first they only had a 10 year life span . Then 20 and now there is a 30 year out there . A lot of the used tanks are from fire departments and will only take one more inspection then it is throw away time due to the life span . Read up on them or go new .Marvin
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Butcher45 on November 16, 2011, 09:35:35 PM
Quote from: kamora187 on November 16, 2011, 04:15:07 PM
Thanks guys, I hope you don't mind all the questions! So on the 909 they say that you can cock it half way for medium power, would that not be sufficient for when  you want to plink around? or is it too much of a drop to do the half cocked version? You would think having it tuned for max power then use half cock to mess around? Lastly, have you guys heard of anyone getting the speeds he was getting with the 909 or 909s? Those were the highest speeds I have seen.

Thanks,
Travis

Some 909S' tunes have cleared 950-1000+fps shooting roundball.
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 16, 2011, 10:25:56 PM
Hey Marvin, I am reading up on a bunch of stuff. Pretty cool to see all of the big bore info out there. Hey Butcher, that sounds pretty cool. I wont get it tuned right away but plan it for later.

Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Nomadic Pirate on November 16, 2011, 10:32:36 PM
909s and a Hill pump, after discount at Pyramyd..... 800 bucks

get a bunch of EPP/UG unsized from Dash Caliber for 10 cents a round and for less than a Grand you'r shooting a great gun,...than later you can get her tuned

this are kills from my "UNTUNED"   909s

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Harvests/007-5.jpg)

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Harvests/003-17.jpg)

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Harvests/006-2-2.jpg)

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Harvests/004-4.jpg)
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: melloroadman on November 16, 2011, 11:00:58 PM
I know it is nice to have 4500 psi of air . But not always needed . And the cost of it is at least twice what 3000 -3500 psi is . I sometimes wish I had started with 4500 psi . But I did not . My compressor is rated at 3500 psi . But it only cost me 1600.00 not 3100.00 . I have a booster pump that I hope I will not be using as much since I have lower my fills and tether . My tanks are 3000-3300 psi . But cost less than 1/2 what a 4500 psi tank cost . You can buy steel 3500 psi 80 cf tanks around 350.00 or a 100 cf 3300psi aluminium for around the same . Also when you are plinking with your 909 on low power the fill will not be 3000 psi . More like 2500-2600 if my memory is right . Go to the tank fill converter and see what your fills would be . Before you buy a 4500 psi tank . Even the yokes and hoses as well as fittings are much more expensive than 3500 psi and lower . Nice is not always needed . But 4500 psi covers it all at this point in time .Marvin
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 17, 2011, 01:09:30 AM
Dude you shot a Peacock! My favorite bird, of course that is just because that is my last name :) Manny when you say EPP/UG unsized from Dash Caliber is that the ones that say .459 as cast? There are also .452 and .454? So another question, does the hill pump connect to the 909 as is or does it need the connector that was mentioned earlier? I though that was a foster connect for the tank fills? Hopefully it will work as is.. Marvin, that is what is great about this forum, people always willing to share info. I have to be honest the gun and the hill pump are more than I was hoping to spend but will probably push myself to pull the trigger in the next couple days and then in the future I can worry about tuning and maybe a tank.
Thanks,
Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Nomadic Pirate on November 17, 2011, 02:13:14 AM
The gun comes with a probe that goes directly into the pump hose, so no need for extra stuff,

Yes they come out .459, just let Loren at Dash Caliber to make them like he makes them for me, unlubed, soft lead and .459 unsized
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 17, 2011, 04:04:39 AM
Thanks Manny! BTW those are some nice hogs! kalua pig, yum! They both looked like head shots, can the 909 take them down with the traditional vital shot? I see you have a DAQ outlaw, is that quieter than the 909? I have seen some of the DAQs and Jack Haleys and at least in the videos they seem quieter than the 909, just different audio or is there a difference?
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 17, 2011, 04:11:36 AM
Ok I pulled the trigger on the 909s, but I did not go with the pump. I went with a k valve charging kit instead. I found an 80CF 3k aluminium tank that is in great shape for $60. Thanks for all of the helpful input, I really appreciate it! So in a few days I will post my thoughts after the unboxing :)
Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Butcher45 on November 17, 2011, 04:29:19 AM
Quote from: kamora187 on November 17, 2011, 04:11:36 AM
Ok I pulled the trigger on the 909s, but I did not go with the pump. I went with a k valve charging kit instead. I found an 80CF 3k aluminium tank that is in great shape for $60. Thanks for all of the helpful input, I really appreciate it! So in a few days I will post my thoughts after the unboxing :)
Travis

You'll only get about 2, maybe 3 complete fills of air from a 3000psi tank before you will need a pump to top-off your fills.....not much shooting there.  Better stick to 2100psi fills, and low-power target shooting with that set-up.
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 17, 2011, 04:21:58 PM
Hey Butcher,
I figure that will get me used to the gun and I can expand from there. I live in suburbia so to shoot I either have to drive 2 hrs or pay to shoot at a crazy busy range so I wont be shooting every day. I might check to see if there are any other AGers around here, it would be good to have others to shoot with.
Thanks,
Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Rescue35 on November 19, 2011, 08:55:20 PM
I didn't read every post but I want to throw my 2 cents in. I have a .50 Dragon Slayer, Korean import, Great rifle. I get 10 shots off a 3000psi fill. I hand pump it. If I ever get a Coyote Ill post pictures. I think somebody told them I have this rifle now so they have all disappeared.
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 20, 2011, 10:53:38 AM
Hey Rescue,
My 909s will be here Tuesday and this is my first Big Bore so I am pretty excited and have gotten a ton of great info from the guys here. Manny posted some of his hunting pics, pretty impressive stuff! I like to see what people have gotten hunting with the big bores as I plan to hunt as well. So you get 10 good shots on a fill, that is great. I was expecting 5 or so, but will be happy if it is more.
Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Rescue35 on November 20, 2011, 12:16:47 PM
This rifle is stock and unmodified. I would call them more 10 good coyote shots. The energy spread is a very shallow curve through those shots. Uniformity is a good thing. I wouldn't be worried with taking mountain deer with it as they tend to be small and I can get pretty close. I don't think I would try to take and Ohio or Nebraska sized deer. Not without tuning it for more power.

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,15668.0.html (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,15668.0.html)
That thread has my initial setup with crony numbers.

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,17310.0.html (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,17310.0.html)
That thread has my experiment with shooting cast .452 boolits in sabots. At some point I need to play with this some more. I tend to like te technical stuff.

As a side note, I know a lot of people say these are loud. For an air rifle yes but not for a hunting rifle. I live in the country so it is not a big deal for me either way but mine is no where near as loud as a PB rifle.
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 21, 2011, 11:55:52 AM
So did they change the design of the Dragon claw? Your pic looks different than what they show on Pyramyd air? I agree the technical part is what makes it fun, trying new rounds is interesting.

Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: melloroadman on November 21, 2011, 12:16:45 PM
Yes trying new ammo is fun . And remember that the 909 can range from a .454 -.459  . Marvin
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Rescue35 on November 21, 2011, 12:40:50 PM
No mine is a Dragon Slayer. Made by Shin Sung if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 21, 2011, 05:46:01 PM
Ok, got the Dragons mixed up :)

Marvin,
Can you shoot reload bullets? Like you would get at Cabelas or other rifle reloading shops?


Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: melloroadman on November 21, 2011, 06:26:02 PM
You need to stay with a soft cast bullet with the Korean rifles . 5-8 BHN is about all they will shoot accurately . Marvin
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Nomadic Pirate on November 21, 2011, 06:44:20 PM
You wont find Cheaper and better bullet for the 909 than the EPP/UG from Dash caliber
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: lloyd-ss on November 21, 2011, 07:10:11 PM
I've had some good results with the EPP/UGs from dash, too, in other guns.  They only weigh a few grains more than a round ball, so you will get max velocity .
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 21, 2011, 09:32:01 PM
I will be ordering some tonight, thanks guys! Manny, so you use the Hill pump right, I would guess that you start pumping while there is still 2k psi left, how many pumps does it take to top it off, roughly? I am still thinking about getting a pump to complement the scuba tank.

Thanks,
Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Nomadic Pirate on November 21, 2011, 09:39:03 PM
I usually shoot my guns down to 100 BAR, to take the 909s from 100 to 200 BAR is a piece of cake, can't remember the number of strokes, but it wasn't much at all
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 22, 2011, 01:18:33 AM
Manny it looked like you had several pumps, might one be the Air Venturi G4? Wondering how it compares to the Hill MK3?

Thanks,
Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 22, 2011, 04:38:50 PM
Just opened the box, the 909s looks pretty nice. It came with 1500psi in the reservoir so of course I had to take my first shot. I used 2 block archery targets as a backstop and it cleared the first and went 3" into the second. WOW, cant imagine what it will be like with a full fill. I pick my tank up tomorrow and will be at the range tomorrow afternoon if all works out with my schedule. I appreciate all of your guys help and will keep you posted on how things go.
Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Rescue35 on November 22, 2011, 10:52:25 PM
Pics or it didn't happen!
:P
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 23, 2011, 02:33:05 AM
hahaha, ok here it is :)
Hopefully I will get to shoot it in the next couple days, I am hoping for tomorrow afternoon!

Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Nomadic Pirate on November 23, 2011, 02:50:02 AM
what ammo do you have for it ?
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Rescue35 on November 23, 2011, 09:25:55 AM
Nice, Hopefully I'll get to shot mine over the next couple of days too, Other than to eat turkey I'll be in the woods.

Great looking rifle, you are going to love it if you don't already. Hope you find time to put some lead down range soon. Keep us updated on ow you like it.
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 23, 2011, 11:42:59 AM
Thanks, I really like it and will try to get out either today or this weekend. Rescue are you hunting with your Dragon while you are in the woods? Manny, I got a box of Hornady .45 Cal, 143 Grains, Lead Round Balls. I also orders some of the EPP/UGs from Loren. Manny, I noticed in one of your pics that you have 3 different kinds of hand pump, does the hill MK3 blow away the air venturi G4? (pun intended) :) I found a G4 online for $100 less than the MK3 but was not sure if they were close or no contest?
Thanks guys!
Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Nomadic Pirate on November 23, 2011, 12:12:13 PM
They are both effective, the difference will be when you go open them up, The G4 will have rust inside the Hill wont, I would buy the Hill.
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 23, 2011, 12:44:07 PM
ok, thanks just wanted to make sure. I appreciate the info.
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 23, 2011, 04:07:07 PM
So when filling the 909 it looks like the gauge is x10kgf/cm2, so 200bar would be right around the 20 marking on the gauge right?
Just confirming!

Thanks,
Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Nomadic Pirate on November 23, 2011, 04:15:20 PM
Never use the Gauges in the guns, allways use the one in your pump or tank.

Gauges in guns can be off by miles sometimes, do not rely on them, allway the filling device Gauge should be used.


Sorry for repeting myself :) :)
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 23, 2011, 04:18:04 PM
Ok cool, thanks for pointing that out!

Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Jaymo on November 24, 2011, 11:25:06 PM
A buddy of mine told me there was no way in h*ll he'd ever pay that much for a "BB gun".
Then he shot my 909. The big bore PCPs will definitely change your way of thinking about air guns. I would have bought a 909S if it had been available at the time, but it wasn't. So I got the 2 tube version. Not that I'm complaining. I love it. I need to get it tuned. I put a Foster QD fitting from BGMF airguns in mine. It beats the heck out of the fill probe. No leaking fill probe O-rings.
I've thought about shooting .40 caliber hollow points with .45 caliber sabots.
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 25, 2011, 12:18:01 AM
Hey Jaymo,
I cannot wait to get mine out and sling some lead, I will be ordering a scope for it tomorrow, probably the leapers bug buster 3x9. I like the small size of the scope and think it will work well with the gun.

Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: reddheadnla on November 25, 2011, 12:31:05 AM
Hi, I would love to know how it goes. I am in the middle of trying to figure out which one to get and am thinking about the pump also. I have been following your thread and it has me leaning toward the 909 pretty hard. Thanks
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 25, 2011, 01:03:30 AM
No problem, they vets on here have been great and shared a ton of info. It makes it alot easier when trying to make decisions.

Travis
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: Rescue35 on November 28, 2011, 11:13:39 AM
Quote from: kamora187 on November 23, 2011, 11:42:59 AM
Rescue are you hunting with your Dragon while you are in the woods?

Thanks guys!
Travis

Travis,

I sure did. Check out my post in the Hunting Gate for pictures. http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,21702.0/topicseen.html (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,21702.0/topicseen.html)
Title: Re: New big bore fan with a couple questions
Post by: kamora187 on November 28, 2011, 05:47:28 PM
That was a great deer, congrats!