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Support Equipment For PCP/HPA/CO2 and springers ,rams => Support Equipment For PCP/HPA/CO2 => Topic started by: PasadenaMike on May 17, 2022, 04:37:43 PM
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For me it depends on the situation. If I’m close to my vehicle in the field then a micro direct fill compressor gives me unlimited air. If I’m walking around and need a couple fills then a small bottle works great. If I’m in my back yard either a large air cylinder or a micro compressor works great. I didn’t mention a hand pump because most of my guns are higher than 3000 psi and have larger air cylinders. The only guns I would hand pump are my Mrod and prod that’s pretty much it even than it’s a back up. I’d rather have a back up micro compressor than hand pump lol. What’s your preferred method or do you choose the fill type for the job?
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big bottle or guppy bottle are my only options, but trying to decide on a compressor (i get free refills not far away).
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big bottle or guppy bottle are my only options, but trying to decide on a compressor (i get free refills not far away).
Nice !! I’m looking into the GX CS2. Looks solid
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My old Vevor (no warranty) for guns directly and my new YH (under warranty) for 30 and 60 minute bottle. I run them down to 3k and fill back up to 4300. If I top off my Avenger to 4500, I use the YH. But even at 3K I get 3 or 4 mags on the reg.
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For now it's my hand pump by default which I bought to charge my Sentry 702-5K, .22. However this morning I ordered a Yong Heng, to power my AEA Callenger Pro .30 I ordered yesterday. While I may be jumping the gun... I suspect that I'll like the Yong Heng over the hand pump, once I figure out how to operate it...
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For now it's my hand pump by default which I bought to charge my Sentry 702-5K, .22. However this morning I ordered a Yong Heng, to power my AEA Callenger Pro .30 I ordered yesterday. While I may be jumping the gun... I suspect that I'll like the Yong Heng over the hand pump, once I figure out how to operate it...
Those are solid pumps. I don’t have one but I’ve heard a lot of good stuff about them. You don’t want to hand pump the Challenger
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Dont bash me for going big!
I got a 50 cal Texan and it does 3 shots from 250bar~3625psi to 180bar~2610psi on the internal 500cc tank.
I bought 6 out of date 6.8liter CF bottles for under $400 (for all with shipping) and a Coltri MCH-6 + an Altaros B2B booster.
I fill my bottles to 300bar~4350psi with the compressor and boost them to 330bar~4785psi with my Altaros B2B booster.
Now i get an astonishing 39 shots from each CF bottle.
Suffice to say i only shoot from the bench.
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Dont bash me for going big!
I got a 50 cal Texan and it does 3 shots from 250bar~3625psi to 180bar~2610psi on the internal 500cc tank.
I bought 6 out of date 6.8liter CF bottles for under $400 (for all with shipping) and a Coltri MCH-6 + an Altaros B2B booster.
I fill my bottles to 300bar~4350psi with the compressor and boost them to 330bar~4785psi with my Altaros B2B booster.
Now i get an astonishing 39 shots from each CF bottle.
Suffice to say i only shoot from the bench.
Don’t feel awkward for sharing. You do what you have to do to feed the cannons.
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I exclusively use a 60-minute or a 30-minute CF bottle to fill guns with. They are very fast to fill guns with quietly and are portable. They can also be tethered to a gun when stationary. I fill the tanks depending on demand with a compressor on my own time schedule.
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I tried two different dry compressors and got refunded on both. I have the second dead one in the attic. I now have a YH and I fill my 1.6l bottle with it. The bottle gets filled to 4,500 PSI and I use it to fill my guns. The little YH can fill that bottle in just a few minutes and my wife says she doesn't mind. Eventually I want to build a cart so I can take it outside. By the end of this year I'd like to get a 30 minute and a 60 minute tank and the appropriate fill stations. Some day I'd like to buy a brand new 98cuft bottle with two valves, but that's out of the budget.
Initially I started with a hand pump because I wasn't sure if I would care about air guns. I still have the hand pump, and it works great for filling my SPA guns, but my big bores have fairly large cylinders that take forever to hand pump.
Going from the dry compressor to a 1.6l bottle and YH compressor was a game changer. I can shoot pretty much all day below 50 FPE with the little bottle, and I get four or five magazines with my big bore. Shooting the Eagle Claw all day at full power takes two or three fills with the bottle. If I'm shooting from a rest I keep the air line hooked up and pressurized and just open the valve to fill, no venting. Then when I'm down to "gun pressure" I leave the bottle valve open until I'm "out of air".
If I'm plinking/not shooting from the rest I do vent the tube and disconnect between fills. This is where an EdGun EZ fill would be nice. An Altaros inline regulator is nice for shooting tethered off of the bottle, but you can also just fill your bottle to gun pressure or shoot down to that pressure like I do. That could take days with a 30 minute or larger SCBA tank, so I can definitely see the advantage there.
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Yep, believe it or not, filling my 30 minute tank to 4300 and using the EAZY fill adaptor is easier on the YH than filling guns directly. I can top that tank off in 12 minutes and the temp only goes to 130f tops... most of the time only 125f. IMO that is much easier on the little compressor than several 1 minute runs up to 3k - 4300 depending on the gun I'm filling.
It's also real handy to have the 30 minute tank sitting right on the shooting bench.
Having enough mags for each gun to run out a full fill is great too. Shoot all my mags, reload and refill the gun, rinse and repeat. Take a little break between... maybe check/change targets and jump on the GTA to tell more lies about my results..... lol
BTW.... a tablet was another great addition to the game...
From the bench I can...
Run blue tooth to the 750 sound system in the bar/mancave and control my audio ambiance.
Access the GTA with the blue tooth keyboard.
Run blue tooth to my chronograph and post results. It even announces each shot's speed.
Organize all collected information on guns, pellets and shooting sessions.
Take great pictures and post.
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Yep, believe it or not, filling my 30 minute tank to 4300 and using the EAZY fill adaptor is easier on the YH than filling guns directly. I can top that tank off in 12 minutes and the temp only goes to 130f tops... most of the time only 125f. IMO that is much easier on the little compressor than several 1 minute runs up to 3k - 4300 depending on the gun I'm filling.
It's also real handy to have the 30 minute tank sitting right on the shooting bench.
Having enough mags for each gun to run out a full fill is great too. Shoot all my mags, reload and refill the gun, rinse and repeat. Take a little break between... maybe check/change targets and jump on the GTA to tell more lies about my results..... lol
BTW.... a tablet was another great addition to the game...
From the bench I can...
Run blue tooth to the 750 sound system in the bar/mancave and control my audio ambiance.
Access the GTA with the blue tooth keyboard.
Run blue tooth to my chronograph and post results. It even announces each shot's speed.
Organize all collected information on guns, pellets and shooting sessions.
Take great pictures and post.
I got a bluetooth enabled chrono from Wes and have been really happy with it. I was using a cheap-er chinese clamp on unit, but I had to quickly write down the data before it disappeared. Slowly I am joining the rest of you that have been shooting PCP's for a while!
Filling bottles exclusively with the YH is also nice because I don't have to adjust the auto shutoff every time I use it. Just plug in the pump and start filling.
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I got this cheap mini compressor on Amazon for $189 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09P56ZLXY?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09P56ZLXY?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details) on May 3rd, (I noticed they are now $225) and thought I would regret it but on the contrary. It fills my 600cc gun from 150bar (2,000ft/lbs) to 200 bar (3,000ft/lbs) in 5 minutes and has not heated up over 120 degrees yet. I can shoot 8 x 12 round (96 shots) magazines and still have over 150 bar. It's portable and runs on either 12v with a set of jumper-type cables or 115v with a converter that came with it and it's actually smaller than most air tanks. Although it has a small air filter already I was concerned about water condensation so I also got an inline filter for $20 on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09B34NYR2?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09B34NYR2?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details). I was going to get a bottle, valve, and larger compressor like the YH but after using this setup for a while I don't see the value vs. cost to add that to my setup since it is easier to carry around than a large tank and it won't run out like a bottle or tank. If it lasts a year or two I'll be very satisfied and I've heard several people say they've been using theirs for over 5 years by just watching to not overheat them.
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I got this cheap mini compressor on Amazon for $189 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09P56ZLXY?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09P56ZLXY?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details) on May 3rd, (I noticed they are now $225) and thought I would regret it but on the contrary. It fills my 600cc gun from 150bar (2,000ft/lbs) to 200 bar (3,000ft/lbs) in 5 minutes and has not heated up over 120 degrees yet. I can shoot 8 x 12 round (96 shots) magazines and still have over 150 bar. It's portable and runs on either 12v with a set of jumper-type cables or 115v with a converter that came with it and it's actually smaller than most air tanks. Although it has a small air filter already I was concerned about water condensation so I also got an inline filter for $20 on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09B34NYR2?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09B34NYR2?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details). I was going to get a bottle, valve, and larger compressor like the YH but after using this setup for a while I don't see the value vs. cost to add that to my setup since it is easier to carry around than a large tank and it won't run out like a bottle or tank. If it lasts a year or two I'll be very satisfied and I've heard several people say they've been using theirs for over 5 years by just watching to not overheat them.
Bill from Target Forge has me converted to a micro compressor in the field. It makes sense because it’s unlimited air and it takes very little room. I’m thinking of getting a GS GX2 as a backup to my Nomad 2
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Previously I used a couple of Scuba tanks but tired of lugging them around and decided to treat myself to 74 CF carbon fiber tank and I am very happy with it. I'm basically a bench shooter so this works out fine for me. I am lucky enough to have found a dive shop when I got into this sport about 5 years ago that would fill tanks for air gunners and they are within 10 mile from my home. They charge $15 to fill the tanks and can usually turn them around within 24 hours which has never been an issue for me.
I have considered a compressor but as of yet have not pulled the trigger and purchase one. Maybe down the road.
Wbldon
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I haven't been filling any of my guns directly from a compressor but I've got two 60 minute SCBA and a 30 minute SCBA that I use in the vehicle for filling guns if need be.
Right now I'm topping off one of my 60 minute SCBA's. I'd be lost without my F10.
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I got this cheap mini compressor on Amazon for $189 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09P56ZLXY?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09P56ZLXY?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details) on May 3rd, (I noticed they are now $225) and thought I would regret it but on the contrary. It fills my 600cc gun from 150bar (2,000ft/lbs) to 200 bar (3,000ft/lbs) in 5 minutes and has not heated up over 120 degrees yet. I can shoot 8 x 12 round (96 shots) magazines and still have over 150 bar. It's portable and runs on either 12v with a set of jumper-type cables or 115v with a converter that came with it and it's actually smaller than most air tanks. Although it has a small air filter already I was concerned about water condensation so I also got an inline filter for $20 on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09B34NYR2?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09B34NYR2?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details). I was going to get a bottle, valve, and larger compressor like the YH but after using this setup for a while I don't see the value vs. cost to add that to my setup since it is easier to carry around than a large tank and it won't run out like a bottle or tank. If it lasts a year or two I'll be very satisfied and I've heard several people say they've been using theirs for over 5 years by just watching to not overheat them.
I've had three portable 12v compressors die on me and none of them overheated. One broke a piston, the second one just stopped all together, and the third one burned up a motor. All three died with less than two hours of run time on each. It seems like luck of the draw really. Even comparing to a fully functional portable compressor, nothing beats filling from some kind of bottle. It's fast, quiet, and less run time on the compressor overall. I was very much against the YH wet compressors to start, but I am never going back. My next compressor will be a full on dive compressor.
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For now it's my hand pump by default which I bought to charge my Sentry 702-5K, .22. However this morning I ordered a Yong Heng, to power my AEA Callenger Pro .30 I ordered yesterday. While I may be jumping the gun... I suspect that I'll like the Yong Heng over the hand pump, once I figure out how to operate it...
If you need any information on the YH I'd be happy to help, have been running one for four years filling my 45 min scba tank.
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I got this cheap mini compressor on Amazon for $189 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09P56ZLXY?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09P56ZLXY?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details) on May 3rd, (I noticed they are now $225) and thought I would regret it but on the contrary. It fills my 600cc gun from 150bar (2,000ft/lbs) to 200 bar (3,000ft/lbs) in 5 minutes and has not heated up over 120 degrees yet. I can shoot 8 x 12 round (96 shots) magazines and still have over 150 bar. It's portable and runs on either 12v with a set of jumper-type cables or 115v with a converter that came with it and it's actually smaller than most air tanks. Although it has a small air filter already I was concerned about water condensation so I also got an inline filter for $20 on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09B34NYR2?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09B34NYR2?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details). I was going to get a bottle, valve, and larger compressor like the YH but after using this setup for a while I don't see the value vs. cost to add that to my setup since it is easier to carry around than a large tank and it won't run out like a bottle or tank. If it lasts a year or two I'll be very satisfied and I've heard several people say they've been using theirs for over 5 years by just watching to not overheat them.
I've had three portable 12v compressors die on me and none of them overheated. One broke a piston, the second one just stopped all together, and the third one burned up a motor. All three died with less than two hours of run time on each. It seems like luck of the draw really. Even comparing to a fully functional portable compressor, nothing beats filling from some kind of bottle. It's fast, quiet, and less run time on the compressor overall. I was very much against the YH wet compressors to start, but I am never going back. My next compressor will be a full on dive compressor.
I've already used mine more than 2 hours so I might be on borrowed time. If I get a year out of it I'll be ok but if I get 2 years I'll be quite happy. It's quite portable in both size and weight and it all fits into a small tool bag so I can just grab it and go. I do admit the convenience is the real value, it's over an hour's drive for me to get to a dive shop and I'm out if the field a lot and don't want to carry anything big and heavy out and about. I did notice the price came down again today to $202. Crossing my fingers it lasts...
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I have two 45 minute CF tanks and fill them to 4k off of a YH compressor. I live where I shoot so the tanks are fine for me. I do recommend using the EdGun EaZy Fill for filling off a tank though, it's a real air saver. The Altros inline regulator is also a Godsend for the Chaser with a tiny SafPack, I can tether it at 2400psi and shoot a full tin of CPHP's without any movement on the tank gauge! :o
Frankly, for the money, the YH compressors have hit the middle ground for me, $200 or so for the compressor, rebuildable and available. ;D
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I have two 45 minute CF tanks and fill them to 4k off of a YH compressor. I live where I shoot so the tanks are fine for me. I do recommend using the EdGun EaZy Fill for filling off a tank though, it's a real air saver. The Altros inline regulator is also a Godsend for the Chaser with a tiny SafPack, I can tether it at 2400psi and shoot a full tin of CPHP's without any movement on the tank gauge! :o
Frankly, for the money, the YH compressors have hit the middle ground for me, $200 or so for the compressor, rebuildable and available. ;D
Can you please send a link to that inline regulator?
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I have two 45 minute CF tanks and fill them to 4k off of a YH compressor. I live where I shoot so the tanks are fine for me. I do recommend using the EdGun EaZy Fill for filling off a tank though, it's a real air saver. The Altros inline regulator is also a Godsend for the Chaser with a tiny SafPack, I can tether it at 2400psi and shoot a full tin of CPHP's without any movement on the tank gauge! :o
Frankly, for the money, the YH compressors have hit the middle ground for me, $200 or so for the compressor, rebuildable and available. ;D
I’m picking my Yong Heng up this afternoon. What oil, specifically do I need to get?
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I have two 45 minute CF tanks and fill them to 4k off of a YH compressor. I live where I shoot so the tanks are fine for me. I do recommend using the EdGun EaZy Fill for filling off a tank though, it's a real air saver. The Altros inline regulator is also a Godsend for the Chaser with a tiny SafPack, I can tether it at 2400psi and shoot a full tin of CPHP's without any movement on the tank gauge! :o
Frankly, for the money, the YH compressors have hit the middle ground for me, $200 or so for the compressor, rebuildable and available. ;D
I’m picking my Yong Heng up this afternoon. What oil, specifically do I need to get?
That depends on who you talk to... ;)
I use Air Venturi compressor oil from PA.
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Any reputable brand of synthetic compressor oil should be fine. I did a first oil change after a few fills on my 100ci bottle since the oil was much darker. So far it hasn't gotten dark again, so it should be properly broken in.
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I have two 45 minute CF tanks and fill them to 4k off of a YH compressor. I live where I shoot so the tanks are fine for me. I do recommend using the EdGun EaZy Fill for filling off a tank though, it's a real air saver. The Altros inline regulator is also a Godsend for the Chaser with a tiny SafPack, I can tether it at 2400psi and shoot a full tin of CPHP's without any movement on the tank gauge! :o
Frankly, for the money, the YH compressors have hit the middle ground for me, $200 or so for the compressor, rebuildable and available. ;D
Can you please send a link to that inline regulator?
Youbetcha!
https://www.altaros.cz/en/airforce/89-external-airgun-regulator.html (https://www.altaros.cz/en/airforce/89-external-airgun-regulator.html)
There are no instructions accompanying it but I can post pictures of the adjustment etc. The hose is a real microbore as well.
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I have two 45 minute CF tanks and fill them to 4k off of a YH compressor. I live where I shoot so the tanks are fine for me. I do recommend using the EdGun EaZy Fill for filling off a tank though, it's a real air saver. The Altros inline regulator is also a Godsend for the Chaser with a tiny SafPack, I can tether it at 2400psi and shoot a full tin of CPHP's without any movement on the tank gauge! :o
Frankly, for the money, the YH compressors have hit the middle ground for me, $200 or so for the compressor, rebuildable and available. ;D
Can you please send a link to that inline regulator?
Youbetcha!
https://www.altaros.cz/en/airforce/89-external-airgun-regulator.html (https://www.altaros.cz/en/airforce/89-external-airgun-regulator.html)
There are no instructions accompanying it but I can post pictures of the adjustment etc. The hose is a real microbore as well.
Perfect, been looking for such a critter.
Thanks.
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I have two 45 minute CF tanks and fill them to 4k off of a YH compressor. I live where I shoot so the tanks are fine for me. I do recommend using the EdGun EaZy Fill for filling off a tank though, it's a real air saver. The Altros inline regulator is also a Godsend for the Chaser with a tiny SafPack, I can tether it at 2400psi and shoot a full tin of CPHP's without any movement on the tank gauge! :o
Frankly, for the money, the YH compressors have hit the middle ground for me, $200 or so for the compressor, rebuildable and available. ;D
Can you please send a link to that inline regulator?
Youbetcha!
https://www.altaros.cz/en/airforce/89-external-airgun-regulator.html (https://www.altaros.cz/en/airforce/89-external-airgun-regulator.html)
There are no instructions accompanying it but I can post pictures of the adjustment etc. The hose is a real microbore as well.
Perfect, been looking for such a critter.
Thanks.
It's the same one I mentioned a few months ago, you teased me to stop tempting you!
It really works well, what a joy it is to shoot a small tubed gun and really get it tuned well when you know air is no longer an issue. I will be pulling my aluminum tank off the AEA Carbine tomorrow and will replace it with a carbon fiber one I found to save a couple pounds of weight. The Aluminum tank (350cc) will get a new valve and the inline regulator for "gas on the go".
maybe a small backpack? ???
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Any reputable brand of synthetic compressor oil should be fine. I did a first oil change after a few fills on my 100ci bottle since the oil was much darker. So far it hasn't gotten dark again, so it should be properly broken in.
Stopped at seven auto parts stores, and two tractor supplies… No luck. The airgun hobby truly requires some fairly exotic materials, in order to participate. A lesson I’m quickly learning…
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Nuvair 751 or 455 High Pressure compressor oil. There is also a Mobile HP oil but in any case, you have to use HP Compressor oils, the rest will diesel!!!
https://nuvair.com/products/parts-accessories/oil/nuvair-455.html
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I have two 45 minute CF tanks and fill them to 4k off of a YH compressor. I live where I shoot so the tanks are fine for me. I do recommend using the EdGun EaZy Fill for filling off a tank though, it's a real air saver. The Altros inline regulator is also a Godsend for the Chaser with a tiny SafPack, I can tether it at 2400psi and shoot a full tin of CPHP's without any movement on the tank gauge! :o
Frankly, for the money, the YH compressors have hit the middle ground for me, $200 or so for the compressor, rebuildable and available. ;D
Can you post a link to where they are available at $200?
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I have two 45 minute CF tanks and fill them to 4k off of a YH compressor. I live where I shoot so the tanks are fine for me. I do recommend using the EdGun EaZy Fill for filling off a tank though, it's a real air saver. The Altros inline regulator is also a Godsend for the Chaser with a tiny SafPack, I can tether it at 2400psi and shoot a full tin of CPHP's without any movement on the tank gauge! :o
Frankly, for the money, the YH compressors have hit the middle ground for me, $200 or so for the compressor, rebuildable and available. ;D
Can you please send a link to that inline regulator?
Youbetcha!
https://www.altaros.cz/en/airforce/89-external-airgun-regulator.html (https://www.altaros.cz/en/airforce/89-external-airgun-regulator.html)
There are no instructions accompanying it but I can post pictures of the adjustment etc. The hose is a real microbore as well.
Perfect, been looking for such a critter.
Thanks.
It's the same one I mentioned a few months ago, you teased me to stop tempting you!
It really works well, what a joy it is to shoot a small tubed gun and really get it tuned well when you know air is no longer an issue. I will be pulling my aluminum tank off the AEA Carbine tomorrow and will replace it with a carbon fiber one I found to save a couple pounds of weight. The Aluminum tank (350cc) will get a new valve and the inline regulator for "gas on the go".
maybe a small backpack? ???
LOL.... be easy on an old dude with CRS.
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I'm using this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09615ZYBQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09615ZYBQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1)
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Good Saturday morning all you crazy air gunners....
I had to wait for Betty Lou and Boss to roll out of bed before I could top my 60min SCBA tank off. It was down to 3k.
My YH sits in the uninsulated and un climate controled utility room of the house. I run a 5gal water supply bucket with and upgraded pump. I also swapped the temp gauge from OEM celsious to an LED F guage.
i run the OEM in line water trap and the MRodAir mid size black trap/filter. I dumped the beads out of that one and filled it with the proper size 'tampons'.
Took about 13 minutes to run it up to 4k and the temp reached 135f. I shut it down and bled it off. Then I let the temp cool to 80f. (Bout 10 minutes) Ambient water temp in the bucket was 73f.
After cool down I fired it back up and ran the tank up to around 4400psi..... another 6 minutes or so. Temp climbed to 125 ish. Shut it back down, bled it off and did another cool down.
Water temp in the bucket was around 82 - 83f at that point.
What surprised me most was how little water came out during bleed off. I think the humidity here right now is around 65% or better. So I fired it back up to see how much moisture was reaching the tank...... Nothing... Bone dry air coming out of the black filter. We're good to go.... ;D
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Good Saturday morning all you crazy air gunners....
I had to wait for Betty Lou and Boss to roll out of bed before I could top my 60min SCBA tank off. It was down to 3k.
My YH sits in the uninsulated and un climate controled utility room of the house. I run a 5gal water supply bucket with and upgraded pump. I also swapped the temp gauge from OEM celsious to an LED F guage.
i run the OEM in line water trap and the MRodAir mid size black trap/filter. I dumped the beads out of that one and filled it with the proper size 'tampons'.
Took about 13 minutes to run it up to 4k and the temp reached 135f. I shut it down and bled it off. Then I let the temp cool to 80f. (Bout 10 minutes) Ambient water temp in the bucket was 73f.
After cool down I fired it back up and ran the tank up to around 4400psi..... another 6 minutes or so. Temp climbed to 125 ish. Shut it back down, bled it off and did another cool down.
Water temp in the bucket was around 82 - 83f at that point.
What surprised me most was how little water came out during bleed off. I think the humidity here right now is around 65% or better. So I fired it back up to see how much moisture was reaching the tank...... Nothing... Bone dry air coming out of the black filter. We're good to go.... ;D
I accidentally vented most of the air out of my 100ci bottle yesterday, so I had to fill it up from a lot lower than usual. I just ran it in two separate short sessions and venting the moisture in between sessions. I let it cool back down as you did. These little compressors are amazingly fast for the price. I may buy a rebuild kit sooner than later, just in case. Running a compressor for maybe 10 minutes in a long day of shooting compared to running the portable every one or two magazines (or less on my .45) for a few minutes is much better. I just can't see a situation where I would rather pack a small 12v dry compressor than two 100ci pony bottes or an SCBA tank and a pony bottle. Carry the pony bottle in a pack while stalking/sitting in the stand and top it off with the SCBA bottle. Then you don't even need power if you are hunting really remote.
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You got that right, DJ.
I don't have one of those 12v portables yet but I got my eye on one.
Virtually all of our shooting is right here at home so I really can't justify one.
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Bottled air was my preferred option at first, and still is my main supply, I keep topped off with my F-10, but added a 12v portable mainly for my high fill pressure Piledriver .50, 3 accurate shots and it needs the full fill to do it again. If I were just hunting with it 3 shots would be fine, and a 1-2 L bottle would give me another top off if needed.
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I hear folks all the time talking about taking bottles and such on a hunt. My PCP guns get 30 or more shots from a fill. If you need more than that for a hunt I see one of two things...
Either I want to hunt where you go or you need alot more range time..... lol
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You got that right, DJ.
I don't have one of those 12v portables yet but I got my eye on one.
Virtually all of our shooting is right here at home so I really can't justify one.
I started with a portable because I thought it would be a less expensive way to get beyond hand pumping, and it allowed me to get a big bore. Well, it doesn't really work as well as you want it to, and running a compressor every three shots on my big bore got annoying. Our Eagle Claw has a 500cc tube and uses about 350-400 psi per magazine with the last shot falling off of the curve (so really seven shots), that's a lot of run time on a little compressor. This meant I really only used it for my SPA PR900 (Stormrider), which was a waste because I preferred hand pumping it over listening to a vehicle (45 HP tractor, Diesel dually, or generator) idle and the compressor screaming away. This lead to me buying a 100ci bottle, which was totally within the specs listed by Vevor for my dry compressor. You can probably see where this is going, but I'll say it anyway, it didn't work out. I got maybe five fills on the pony bottle before the motor released all of the magic smoke. That was with a compressor side that was just warm to the touch and only running it for ten minutes with an hour break. I got refund on the compressor before it died, because the 12v functionality stopped working. Anyway, I used the refund and bought a YH compressor, and that was the best thing I ever did.
Eventually I want a cart so I can roll it outside, which will increase the humidity problems, but I do have a big desiccant filter that I'll use when that happens. So far I don't have any SCBA or big CF bottles yet, but that is the next thing I want to do. Then I'll probably just run the YH once a month, which would be the ideal thing. The best times to shoot here are early morning when the wind is low, but my partner sleeps in (I have to get up and feed the chickens, alpacas, etc.) and I do not wish to wake her with the YH, even if it is outside. A big bottle will let me shoot our Eagle Claw and .45 Challenger as much as I want in the morning and not have to disturb anyone.
Anyway, a bit of a ramble there. None of my "real life" friends are into airguns, so this is where I get out my desire to talk about it!
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I hear folks all the time talking about taking bottles and such on a hunt. My PCP guns get 30 or more shots from a fill. If you need more than that for a hunt I see one of two things...
Either I want to hunt where you go or you need alot more range time..... lol
Hunting big game with big bores requires a lot of fills. I only get two really good shots per fill on my .457, three if I don't mind a bit of a velocity dip. Ideally I like to make a good six shot group to call it "ready for duty". That's half of the 100ci bottle, with enough left for four or six good shots to take at game. Some people like to have a buffer, so another 100ci bottle should do it. Some people have to travel a long way to do big game hunting. I had some friends in NC that would travel to Canada and stay out for weeks during season. I certainly would like to have an excess of air rather than just enough.
My PR900 in current tune only gets 12 good 27 FPE shots per fill, but it's also super easy to hand pump, same with the Bandito, but I can tune it for 18 good shots at 12 FPE. My Eagle Claw performs well in the 50-75 FPE range depending on what ammo you want to use, and it only gets 6 good shots at 75 FPE or 16+ at 50 FPE. And I would want the 100ci bottle to take with me for that one, which is more than enough for a day of hunting, but I really use the Eagle Claw for paper punching or in the event of a predator attack on our farmstead.
I also don't need to go hunting beyond our property, so I will never need to take any bottles with me anywhere. If I'm hunting for deer on our property I would just take the gun and if I miss two times, I'll just go home.
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I have two 45 minute CF tanks and fill them to 4k off of a YH compressor. I live where I shoot so the tanks are fine for me. I do recommend using the EdGun EaZy Fill for filling off a tank though, it's a real air saver. The Altros inline regulator is also a Godsend for the Chaser with a tiny SafPack, I can tether it at 2400psi and shoot a full tin of CPHP's without any movement on the tank gauge! :o
Frankly, for the money, the YH compressors have hit the middle ground for me, $200 or so for the compressor, rebuildable and available. ;D
Can you post a link to where they are available at $200?
Looks like they also went up in price, $275 now on Amazon and eBay. I got my last one in 2021, it was $212.00.
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I’m sitting here with my Yong Heng just now unboxed. Seems the temp gauge came without batteries… bummer. Still trying to make sense of the manual. This is my first high pressure compressor, so intuition isn’t much help here. I defaulted to some you tube videos, and of course GTA for some insight. While I’m slowly starting to form a picture of how to get this thing operational; I’ve noticed across all sources, that folks have modded their YHs. Makes me wonder if it’s okay to use as is..?
BTW I buckled and found some 46 hydraulic and will run through that then switch to some of the more exotic stuff that can only be gotten through online vendors. My scope, and Nielsen slugs should hopefully arrive today, and I hope to have my pump going once it all comes together…
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One tip I will give you..
Connect the input water hose to the bottom and the oulet (return to bucket) to the top.
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One tip I will give you..
Connect the input water hose to the bottom and the oulet (return to bucket) to the top.
About the return..? I assume the water is acting a a heat sink. So if both hoses are in the bucket… how could one get it wrong? Though beyond that my other question was, “why return the heated water to the bucket, rather than just discharging it”? Wouldn’t that keep the incoming water cooler?
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connecting the incoming to the bottom forces the water up trough the head. It's just preference but that's how I see it. I also leave the return hose above the water surface in the source bucket.
Yes, you can connect to a continuous source and drain the return, some do that. But, 5gallons of water don't really heat up that much on a single tank fill..... another personal choice.
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Lots of acceptable ways to keep things cool. You need to satisfy yourself. I'm good the way I do it.
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For me, $300 every 3 or so years for a new one is a good deal.
YMMV
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Lots of acceptable ways to keep things cool. You need to satisfy yourself. I'm good the way I do it.
I appreciate all the input. I don’t want to burn up my compressor right out the gate for lack of asking stupid questions…
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I was always told that the only stupid questions were the ones we don't ask.
I think stupid answers are most common.... ;)
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I am just throwing out another compressor oil idea/option.
I have been using this oil found at Tractor Supply for the last five years in my AV-4500. I have not had any issues with the compressor while doing so. It is pricey but I think you could get a number of oil changes out of a quart size container. They offer a smaller container of it too.
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For me it depends on the situation. If I’m close to my vehicle in the field then a micro direct fill compressor gives me unlimited air. If I’m walking around and need a couple fills then a small bottle works great. If I’m in my back yard either a large air cylinder or a micro compressor works great. I didn’t mention a hand pump because most of my guns are higher than 3000 psi and have larger air cylinders. The only guns I would hand pump are my Mrod and prod that’s pretty much it even than it’s a back up. I’d rather have a back up micro compressor than hand pump lol. What’s your preferred method or do you choose the fill type for the job?
Excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean by 'Micro compressor'? Link? Are you talking like a Benjamin Traveler type size?
OK, I read a little further through the tread and see what your talking about. 🤷🏻♂️
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Okay… I just completed my first fill with the Yong Heng. The test subject was my Sentry 702-5K. Went from 2000-3000 in seconds. Maybe 15-20ish? A real game changer over hand pumping! One real gripe right out of the gate though. The ridiculously short fill hose. The instructions caution you to keep some distance from the pump, but to monitor your pressures. You can’t get more than 18” from the pump, due to the crazy short fill hose. Less comforting still… At least in the test subjects example… is that the gauge on the rifle is located directly under the barrel. So you quite literally have to point the gun at your face the whole time you’re filling it. I’m not too fond of that…
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What!? Something is seriously wrong. My gun at 3000 psi, is now struggling to send a pellet to 30 yards… What just happened?
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For whatever it's worth, I run opposite from Avator. with the pump being in the bottom of the vessel, it is pulling the coldest water. Warmer water will stratify to the top of the container, and the cooler water to the bottom. I like to push the coldest water through the hottest area first. The top of the head/ second stage builds more heat than the first stage/bottom, might as well take as much heat out of the top as possible. I thought about changing my setup after reading Avators post and seeing if it change my temperature readings, but all of my hoses are stuck on pretty good, and it all works fine anyway.
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I pulled the mag. And did a series of dry fires. With changing sounds as the gun reports. Sometimes louder. Sometimes quieter. Sometimes nothing. And when I shake the gun, I can hear something rattle in the action. What just happened?
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I pulled the mag. And did a series of dry fires. With changing sounds as the gun reports. Sometimes louder. Sometimes quieter. Sometimes nothing. And when I shake the gun, I can hear something rattle in the action. What just happened?
This may not be related to the compressor. Although it does vibrate a lot, so you may have loosened up the cocking pin/screw on your bolt or hammer. Sounds like you need to take the action out of the stock and take a look.
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I pulled the mag. And did a series of dry fires. With changing sounds as the gun reports. Sometimes louder. Sometimes quieter. Sometimes nothing. And when I shake the gun, I can hear something rattle in the action. What just happened?
This may not be related to the compressor. Although it does vibrate a lot, so you may have loosened up the cocking pin/screw on your bolt or hammer. Sounds like you need to take the action out of the stock and take a look.
Ohhh boy… Could be just bad timing. But I’m not real big on the notion of coincidence… I bought the pump to feed my Challenger Pro. Now… till I figure out what just happened to my sentry… There’s no way I’m plugging it up to this brand new rifle…
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I pulled the mag. And did a series of dry fires. With changing sounds as the gun reports. Sometimes louder. Sometimes quieter. Sometimes nothing. And when I shake the gun, I can hear something rattle in the action. What just happened?
This may not be related to the compressor. Although it does vibrate a lot, so you may have loosened up the cocking pin/screw on your bolt or hammer. Sounds like you need to take the action out of the stock and take a look.
Ohhh boy… Could be just bad timing. But I’m not real big on the notion of coincidence… I bought the pump to feed my Challenger Pro. Now… till I figure out what just happened to my sentry… There’s no way I’m plugging it up to this brand new rifle…
I'm no expert on the sentry, but it looks like basically every other PCP long stock rifle. Ideally you should try to degas the rifle, but since it's being weird, maybe not. At least make sure the rifle is not cocked and ready to fire. I would look for a video specific to your rifle, there are probably several, that show you how to disassemble the rifle.
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I pulled the mag. And did a series of dry fires. With changing sounds as the gun reports. Sometimes louder. Sometimes quieter. Sometimes nothing. And when I shake the gun, I can hear something rattle in the action. What just happened?
This may not be related to the compressor. Although it does vibrate a lot, so you may have loosened up the cocking pin/screw on your bolt or hammer. Sounds like you need to take the action out of the stock and take a look.
Ohhh boy… Could be just bad timing. But I’m not real big on the notion of coincidence… I bought the pump to feed my Challenger Pro. Now… till I figure out what just happened to my sentry… There’s no way I’m plugging it up to this brand new rifle…
I'm no expert on the sentry, but it looks like basically every other PCP long stock rifle. Ideally you should try to degas the rifle, but since it's being weird, maybe not. At least make sure the rifle is not cocked and ready to fire. I would look for a video specific to your rifle, there are probably several, that show you how to disassemble the rifle.
Well, I did a quick break down, and once out of the stock, I had to remove the trigger pack. And low, and behold a small bolt, and torn o-ring fell out. I don’t know what they go to, but the gun cycles, and shoots now. But accuracy is all over the place.
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Also… when the bolt is pulled back; the mag won’t insert. You have to give it that lol but of extra backward tension, to allow the mag to clear the probe…
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DL... Wayne can help you.... PM him.
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There is a plastic piece in front of the hammer that is held in with a small screw, I had that come loose on my 702-3 and it gave me lower velocities and non fires. Will see if I can find a parts break down.
Also needing to pull the bolt back further to load a mag is common with many mag fed PCPs.
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There is a plastic piece in front of the hammer that is held in with a small screw, I had that come loose on my 702-3 and it gave me lower velocities and non fires. Will see if I can find a parts break down.
Also needing to pull the bolt back further to load a mag is common with many mag fed PCPs.
That is exactly the screw that had come loose! But I gotta say; that screw should be longer. There is only about a thread, and a half that presents past the plastic piece. Not much engagement. I double checked to see if it had broken, but nope. It’s just that short. I’m assuming the o ring I found floating in there came from that screw as well? I replaced it. Now I just have to gas it back up to see if I fixed the problem. But alas my fill probe o ring was damaged as well… Strange that all these things happened at the same time. I definitely degassed the compressor before removing the probe, so I don’t know what happened there…