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Airguns by Make and Model => Diana Airguns => Topic started by: chet on May 13, 2022, 11:43:12 PM
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curious, i purchased my Diana 34 in 22 cal new 15yrs ago, don't shoot it much, what are guns like this selling for these days no dings nice stock overall excellent condition.
chet
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It's gotta be worth a pretty penny since that gun is a classic and no longer made. I'm sure your pm mailbox will be full of offers. Definitely a great all around gun.
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The gun is worth precisely what you will sell it for and what a buyer will pay. That number will probably be somewhere between $150 and $300. Although they are no longer made there are a LOT of them out there. There have been different models of the gun through the years, some of more value than others. Unless you sell locally shipping will be a concern. I'd ballpark that at $50.
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My 34 was purchased about the time I joined the GTA forum; i.e., some 12-13 years ago. She has been tuned with an ARH kit and sits in a Premium stock and has a muzzle break. That said, she is worth no more than what I can get for her.....and, I'm ok with that.
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I miss my 36! It was a .177, but wish I held out for one in .22. Lovely little lightning rods.
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15 years ago? You payed less than $200 for it new. T05? I wouldn't offer more than $150, maximum. You get an offer more than that, jump on it. Springers don't sell in classifieds, just ask Ezman604, he's been try to sell his springers in the classifieds for months. Nobody wants these dinosaurs.
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Most I've seen are in the $180-$200 range, plus shipping. It depends a lot on condition. The T05 trigger is not as desirable to some. I doubt mind that.
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Springers don't sell in classifieds, just ask Ezman604, he's been try to sell his springers in the classifieds for months. Nobody wants these dinosaurs.
Got interested and took a look. From what I saw, Ezman has been selling his Crosman and Ruger springers for months. I have no doubt they won't sell, but they sure ain't no German (or British) springers, either.
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I just sold one. In Canada their $450. + new. Sold mine for $200. Crow
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Recently I started shooting my old springers again I also have a 34 36 and a 45, sure feels good no sir tank just shoot, I even have a old gamo extreme wood in 22 didnt shoot it much takes a bear to cock it. David
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Chet. Ask yourself this. How often do you see a Diana 34 in .22 of this vintage in the classifieds???? There is a reason why. They that good!!! Anyone that haggles about the t05 trigger is full of bs. I have the same gun and that trigger is about as good and predictable as any of my WH reckord triggers. I wouldnt start at anything under $250. Tell any low ballers to go kick rocks.
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Forum frequenters- of all stripes- cars motorcycles bicycles guns air rifles whatever
ALWAYS ALWAYS undervalue other folks "stuff"
They are experts-and I mean that literally-so they will know of one that sold for a LOW PRICE-and they will price your item like that.
They are not lying-but being too "in the know" they ALWAYS buy low-and usually brag about it
Best way to check what it will sell for is to advert it-perhaps at a slightly high price
If you go too high-you will get ZERO bites- a bit low-lots of bites
To price it I would check the prices of current CHINESE or Spanish or Turkish made rifles with similar specs-velocity nice wood stock decent adj trigger
It being a NAME BRAND GERMAN gun means it is worth about what a new Turkish or Spanish gun is worth-assuming it presents as "nearly new"
Just my take on it-but maybe $150-$200 is about right-play up the GERMAN manufacturing of course
Shipping-makes it much tougher to sell-$50 shipping someone mentioned seems about right-so $150 means only $100 in your pocket-$200 only $150
Kinda low-barely worth the effort-nice rifle-you could not buy a similar rifle for that money
Heck just price it high-$250-see if you get any bites-offers-maybe you will find a local-no shipping?
Selling nice stuff you are atached too-not worthy- after shipping and various fees-you don't end up with much for a nice rifle
Just advert it here-see what happens-?
Luck
Charlie
PS A few months ago I bought a NEW IN BOX wood stock Diana 350 magnum- .177- $290 delivered-NUMRICH- more of less a up-powered Diana 34-fun rifle-I love it-certainly "worth more to me" than a 34-but I like power-the T05 trigger-will drop value-folks claim otherwise "just as good as a T06" but Diana did not think so-so...
Shoot-keep it-nice rifle-
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Well put Charles.
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Not talking about the GTA classifieds, but the wider world where I've been buying and selling springers.
50 - 60 % of retail value seems like the sweet spot where desireable springers in good condition actually change hands. Many people ask for much more, but seldom get it.
Why on earth would anyone pay a retail-like price for a second-hand gun, with no return option or warranty, and with potential misuse / mis-storage issues?
Old / discontinued stuff is of course harder to value, but most old stuff in this world isn't worth much. Only a select few classics retain a high monetary worth. The vast majority of people value new / recent models the highest.
It's clear, too, that many prospective buyers patiently wait for the price to drop, like vultures perching close to a not-yet-dead animal. Once the price drops to the sweet spot, a buyer is suddenly found.
Personally, I find it funny to haggle, passively or actively, over 50 bucks etc., when the item in question is an heirloom-worthy (or so we'd like to think) gun that will potentially see decades of use and admiration.
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have they gone up in vale as of late or still 200.00 ish?
I see some listed for as much as 400.00 but are they selling or setting?
are the older ones worth more or less?
I have a German made RWS not sure if I will sell it but curious as to what they are fetching these days
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Still say that the price is about 180-220, but yea you'll see people list all sorts of crazy prices on eBay and it'll usually sit there for a very long time. Theres two D34's for sale on Airgun Nation right now in the 300 range and they've just sat, so I guess it depends how motivated you are to actually sell, and finding someone who's very motivated to acquire specifically a D34 classic.
If you're curious to find out. List your gun at 400 bucks, see if it sells, if/when it doesn't. just lower the price until it does.
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I have a T06 .177 P34 that I put wood stock on. Tried selling it a couple of years ago for $150 with a scope and loc down mount in very good condition. No one was interested so I gave up.
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curious, i purchased my Diana 34 in 22 cal new 15yrs ago, don't shoot it much, what are guns like this selling for these days no dings nice stock overall excellent condition.
chet
Chet;
I would advise to list it on EBay. For several reasons:
1.- It is a well known air rifle in the US under the RWS brand, so the widespread marketing of a general merchandise selling outlet makes more sense.
2.- People who buy there are more driven by emotions than by knowledge
3.- It is an auction, I would start the auction at $175 and see how it goes.
At present, the 34's that are in the market above 300 get little to no bids, and those that started at $150 have bids above $200.
In a Pawn shop you might get offered $75 to $100 depending on condition because they expect to sell it at between $150 to $250 The only advantage is that it is quick and done.
Of course, if this is not worthwhile for you, then keep the gun.
One more item that may be of interest to the general readership here:
We WILL see the 34 Classic at IWA, we will NOT see the EMS anymore.
Figure it out, y'all are smart enough. ;-)
Keep well and shoot straight!
HM
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One more item that may be of interest to the general readership here:
We WILL see the 34 Classic at IWA, we will NOT see the EMS anymore.
That's good to hear, Hector. Seems folks making decisions are listening. Bravo. And welcome back, 34!
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Just to chime in on one additional thing. The issue with eBay is that while it gets seen by a much wider audience, eBay can take some quite hefty fees. Remember that Ebay calculates based upon the total selling price including tax. So maybe your final sell price is 250 dollars, but then add 50 dollars for shipping, add tax, and eBay calculates its fees based upon that final total sum even though the amount you're getting is just that original 250. So for that reason even though eBay guns often sell at higher prices than the forums, I think overall the forum sales are more profitable due to not having to pay those fees or at most the buy protection via PayPal type fees.
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One more item that may be of interest to the general readership here:
We WILL see the 34 Classic at IWA, we will NOT see the EMS anymore.
That's good to hear, Hector. Seems folks making decisions are listening. Bravo. And welcome back, 34!
Now if integrity would just come back!
Mine's been needing new stock bracket and screws ever since warranty repair screwed it up and tried to extort a couple hundred dollars from me if I wanted it back.
I wouldn't give $.02 for another Diana ANYTHING!
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One more item that may be of interest to the general readership here:
We WILL see the 34 Classic at IWA, we will NOT see the EMS anymore.
That's good to hear, Hector. Seems folks making decisions are listening. Bravo. And welcome back, 34!
Now if integrity would just come back!
Mine's been needing new stock bracket and screws ever since warranty repair screwed it up and tried to extort a couple hundred dollars from me if I wanted it back.
I wouldn't give $.02 for another Diana ANYTHING!
If you really want this solved, send me a PM with the following data:
1.- Place of purchase
2.- Serial number
3.- Which company performed the "Warranty Repair"
Detailed pictures of the current state of the bracket.
We cannot solve what we do not know in detail.
Thanks!
HM
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Hector, will Diana continue to support the EMS in parts? Or better yet, a trade in program to trade in the EMS for a classic? (just hoping on that one)
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One more item that may be of interest to the general readership here:
We WILL see the 34 Classic at IWA, we will NOT see the EMS anymore.
That's good to hear, Hector. Seems folks making decisions are listening. Bravo. And welcome back, 34!
Now if integrity would just come back!
Mine's been needing new stock bracket and screws ever since warranty repair screwed it up and tried to extort a couple hundred dollars from me if I wanted it back.
I wouldn't give $.02 for another Diana ANYTHING!
If you really want this solved, send me a PM with the following data:
1.- Place of purchase
2.- Serial number
3.- Which company performed the "Warranty Repair"
Detailed pictures of the current state of the bracket.
We cannot solve what we do not know in detail.
Thanks!
HM
This is going on since 2015 and not the first time I've posted about it a thread you were active in.
There's probably been a dozen postings about it since, including how it took the State Attorney General's involvement just to get it back. I wouldn't consider starting the process over on the premise that I need to prove I'm not lying.
AAMOF, some would consider the statement above my avitar and long list of airguns with only ONE Diana made gun as an indicator this isn't a fabrication. There are three others to add to my signature, and I assure you they were NOT made by Diana or Umarex.
Let's not derail this thread further, you can PM me if you wish to respond.
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Hector, will Diana continue to support the EMS in parts? Or better yet, a trade in program to trade in the EMS for a classic? (just hoping on that one)
That's something that is under discussion.
From a global perspective, the laws change and they evolve.
We, in the US are barely scratching the surface as pertains the "right to repair".
So, I cannot say more than that; apart that the spares situation (and not only as regards the EMS) is being looked at.
I don't think there will, or should, be any "trade in" because there has never been the need for a recall. The product may not have fit the market as expected, but that is not enough to justify a trade-in program as a recall would. The rifles were never unsafe, neither would they, systematically, underperform to their specs. AaMoF, the contrary was true.
As I wrote; to ME, the way forward would be to keep some of the design characteristics of the EMS, while re-instating the fixed barrel/breech-block of the Classic but, then, I am only an advisor.
Keep well and shoot straight!
HM
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This is going on since 2015 and not the first time I've posted about it a thread you were active in.
There's probably been a dozen postings about it since, including how it took the State Attorney General's involvement just to get it back. I wouldn't consider starting the process over on the premise that I need to prove I'm not lying.
AAMOF, some would consider the statement above my avitar and long list of airguns with only ONE Diana made gun as an indicator this isn't a fabrication. There are three others to add to my signature, and I assure you they were NOT made by Diana or Umarex.
Let's not derail this thread further, you can PM me if you wish to respond.
PM sent.
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Hector, will Diana continue to support the EMS in parts? Or better yet, a trade in program to trade in the EMS for a classic? (just hoping on that one)
That's something that is under discussion.
From a global perspective, the laws change and they evolve.
We, in the US are barely scratching the surface as pertains the "right to repair".
So, I cannot say more than that; apart that the spares situation (and not only as regards the EMS) is being looked at.
I don't think there will, or should, be any "trade in" because there has never been the need for a recall. The product may not have fit the market as expected, but that is not enough to justify a trade-in program as a recall would. The rifles were never unsafe, neither would they, systematically, underperform to their specs. AaMoF, the contrary was true.
As I wrote; to ME, the way forward would be to keep some of the design characteristics of the EMS, while re-instating the fixed barrel/breech-block of the Classic but, then, I am only an advisor.
Keep well and shoot straight!
HM
Appreciate the heads up Hector. I'm going to get it listed on Ebay tonight before parts unavailability potentially could become an issue.
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Thanks for the update Hector!
Just saw a brief video from IWA 2025 on the upcoming products by Diana (I added the link to it):
here is the video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-SOL5GxS_w)
What seems interesting to me is that even though the 34 classic is being reinstated, it still has some elements from the EMS (the rear sight comes from the EMS as well as the fact that the dove tail section for mounting optics is now directly on the cylinder and not on the "base-plate" that was a feature of older/legacy diana airguns).
Is the price point going to be in the 300 ball-park or somewhere close to that?
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Glad to see the EMS sights on the 34. I often shot the EMS offhand scopeless as I liked the sights.
Looked like there's still no rubber butt pad? If things are changing, put a rubber butt pad on there!
Also no threaded muzzle even though the front sight is updated as well?
Scratching my head a bit about those, but the overall vibe is a good one.
Welcome back 34! Happy 135th Diana!
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@ L4z4r0s.- Definitely the guy behind the video camera needs to adjust his white balance, LOL!
Thanks for posting the link!
Yes, some things from the EMS should be kept. I don't think the stock screws are attaching to the tube, since that is a bit more expensive to make,
But the elimination of the scope rail is something that goes in this direction.
Haven't seen the price yet.
@ splitbeing.- As I mentioned above this is an exercise in cost cutting, so I don't think the rubber buttpad is coming back. Same goes for threaded muzzles.
I don;t think the front sight is different from the latest versions of the 34 Classic. That front end came with the 340 NTec and it was simplified for the 36 and then went on some of the 34's.
The EMS version was taken directly from there.
Thanks for the good wishes!
Keep well and shoot straight!
HM
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Once again, new Dianas are out on distress sale - $262
https://www.bullseyesouth.com/shop/diana-air-rifle-34-ems-classic-cal-177-195-rifled-barrel-890-fps-33883
Going back to OP, what can u expect for old ones when new ones show up at such heavy discounts. I do not consider guns / airguns as investment and expect to recover principle amount on resale. Best case would be to enjoy them and when ur done pass them to ones who would for FAIR compensation.
As for Hector’s comment above on cost cutting, it will only take them down alongside Chinese and Turkish airgun companies route. Instead they should double down on desirable features , quality and command premium price alongside AA and HW. For example there plenty of posts complaining about cheap plastic sights and end caps on Diana, while the same people readily pay through nose for HW and AA that comes without open sights.
@Hector, I would be a fool to question you on the science , manufacturing and economics of airgun. But if none of it works , would it not make sense to try something different?
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Once again, new Dianas are out on distress sale - $262
https://www.bullseyesouth.com/shop/diana-air-rifle-34-ems-classic-cal-177-195-rifled-barrel-890-fps-33883
Probably no warranty, not that it makes much difference since they don't honor it anyway.
If it was free shipping I'd give $2.00 for it, strip the bracket and screws from it and put the rest in the trash can...
A good example of what it's worth (at least to me).
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Once again, new Dianas are out on distress sale - $262
https://www.bullseyesouth.com/shop/diana-air-rifle-34-ems-classic-cal-177-195-rifled-barrel-890-fps-33883
Going back to OP, what can u expect for old ones when new ones show up at such heavy discounts. I do not consider guns / airguns as investment and expect to recover principle amount on resale. Best case would be to enjoy them and when ur done pass them to ones who would for FAIR compensation.
As for Hector’s comment above on cost cutting, it will only take them down alongside Chinese and Turkish airgun companies route. Instead they should double down on desirable features , quality and command premium price alongside AA and HW. For example there plenty of posts complaining about cheap plastic sights and end caps on Diana, while the same people readily pay through nose for HW and AA that comes without open sights.
@Hector, I would be a fool to question you on the science , manufacturing and economics of airgun. But if none of it works , would it not make sense to try something different?
Funny they offer a 34 EMS and show a 34 Classic on the picture.
;-)
In any case, I still think they BOTH are good rifles. The differences are slight and while some of us may like some things and dislike others, the converse is true for other shooters.
Making airguns is not all about the engineering side. There are a BUNCH of "stakeholders" in the equation.
From Distributors that do NOT want to carry spare parts, or educate their technicians (hard to call some of them gunsmiths); to the shareholders that require not only a profit, but also a market share, passing through the people that assemble the blooming things that have a whole bunch of rules and regulations protecting their jobs.
So, it is a hard balance to achieve.
I doubt that there is a better airgun than the 54, but that is just me. The 48 can do anything any of the other airguns can with a bit of imagination. The 460 is a real powerhouse that can rival some of the PCP's.The34 is a true all-around workhorse, and the return of the 280 will re-fill that niche that was open.
On top of that the Action line (made in China by SPA) is coming out with the MkII versions of the Outlaw and the Skyhawk that pretty neat. The Action line springers are not polite discussion material in this forum, LOL! They do, however, play an important role worldwide and bottom line-wise.
AND, the worldwide market is quite different from what we (here in the forum) do, enjoy and feel.
So, couple those things together and we have a funny little train that is definitely not geared towards the "cognoscenti".
If you are interested in the EMS, even as a technical oddity, I would advise you get one at this price ($262.20).
OR, for $36.80 more wait and get the Classic.
;-)
To each his own.
Keep well and shoot straight!
HM
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OK, all of you Diana 34 experts, care to guesstimate what a Diana 34 120 Jahre Anniversary model would be worth? I've heard production number estimates ranging from 300 to 500, but despite my queries on multiple forums, nobody seems to know for sure how many were made.
(https://i.imgur.com/nSdgslS.jpeg)
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Wow. Now that's a 34 I like!
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(https://i.imgur.com/nSdgslS.jpeg)
Now that looks like something most owners would have stored securely and by now forgotten where.
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Looks like my model 36 except for that 24 karat gold plated trigger. ;D
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I've posted these elsewhere, but for those who might have missed them, here are photos of the actual beast:
(https://i.imgur.com/LHUWhGR.jpeg) (https://i.imgur.com/MtaCDJr.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tWKUrxF.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vl5GzYI.jpeg)
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Nice rifle Paul!!
I have the 100 Jahre version with the embedded medallion.
:D
(https://i.postimg.cc/cL7x2BwH/Diana-34-100-Jahre-10.jpg)
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I've posted these elsewhere, but for those who might have missed them, here are photos of the actual beast:
(https://i.imgur.com/LHUWhGR.jpeg) (https://i.imgur.com/MtaCDJr.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tWKUrxF.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vl5GzYI.jpeg)
All I can say about THAT particular Diana is just WOW!! That stock is just beautiful, as is the entire rifle. AND a .22 cal no less. That stock CAN'T be a normal piece of wood, you won the wood lottery with that one... If you care to say, what did those rifles cost when new?
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OK, all of you Diana 34 experts, care to guesstimate what a Diana 34 120 Jahre Anniversary model would be worth? I've heard production number estimates ranging from 300 to 500, but despite my queries on multiple forums, nobody seems to know for sure how many were made.
(https://i.imgur.com/nSdgslS.jpeg)
I'm sorry to say, but if you haven't actually shot it, and I mean past break in, it's could easily be like mine - an irredeemable POS.
I got mine new in 2015 and it's not worth $.02 in it's current condition and since Diana's authorized customer service center worked on it, I believe it's now unrepairable.
If you research here and online you will see a lot of folks strip them down and rebuild them before using them as-is. It is my opinion from reviews on sites that sold them the return rates are high compared to other guns in their price range.
I suppose it's pretty to hang on a wall but so far I find my Beeman 0035 and Daisy 880 far superior, so, what's it worth? Not even the cost of shipping as far as I'm concerned.
Just my $.02.
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I have never owned a Diana and I don't need one or have any particular use for one but I have wanted a Diana for about 60 years. The reason for wanting it is pretty dumb. I like the engraving of the goddess holding a rifle.
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I got mine new in 2015 and it's not worth $.02 in it's current condition and since Diana's authorized customer service center worked on it, I believe it's now unrepairable.
Should not be too hard to get rid of it at that evaluation. Doesn’t even need to hit members classified I guess. I would be interested, PM me ur realistic expectations of it.
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I've posted these elsewhere, but for those who might have missed them, here are photos of the actual beast:
All I can say about THAT particular Diana is just WOW!! That stock is just beautiful, as is the entire rifle. AND a .22 cal no less. That stock CAN'T be a normal piece of wood, you won the wood lottery with that one... If you care to say, what did those rifles cost when new?
The short answer is, too much, which I imagine is why so few were made. AoA was selling the last of them in 2014 for $599, which was probably a slightly discounted price due to low sales, so it's likely they were even more expensive when they first came out. My gun was gifted to me by a good friend. It's virtually new and still diesels like crazy, but the trigger is great, it's very powerful, and shoots with a standard deviation of 3.
(https://i.imgur.com/LYkznxO.jpeg)
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I have never owned a Diana and I don't need one or have any particular use for one but I have wanted a Diana for about 60 years. The reason for wanting it is pretty dumb. I like the engraving of the goddess holding a rifle.
:D That's why I wanted one! IMHO, hands down the best airgun logo ever.
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I have never owned a Diana and I don't need one or have any particular use for one but I have wanted a Diana for about 60 years. The reason for wanting it is pretty dumb. I like the engraving of the goddess holding a rifle.
:D That's why I wanted one! IMHO, hands down the best airgun logo ever.
I'm glad that I am not the only one who wants an airgun for irrational reasons LOL And I completely agree re the best airgun logo ever!
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FWIW, I have tuned and tweaked my 100 Jahre D34, and it is one of the nicest shooting of all my rifles of that era.
:D
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See this?
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I see it, what is it?
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3D Diana...
Old "minds eye" illusion.
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FWIW, I have tuned and tweaked my 100 Jahre D34, and it is one of the nicest shooting of all my rifles of that era.
:D
I can't think of any other airgun manufacturers that sell product at that price point where it needs to be tuned or tweaked ... a sad testimonial indeed!
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FWIW, I have tuned and tweaked my 100 Jahre D34, and it is one of the nicest shooting of all my rifles of that era.
:D
I can't think of any other airgun manufacturers that sell product at that price point where it needs to be tuned or tweaked ... a sad testimonial indeed!
Well Steve, with all respect to your experiences, I tune and tweak every airgun that I possess, and that includes everything that I own, no matter what the make or model.
If you know what you are doing, there is always room for improvement.
Although I favor Weihrauch over Diana, my Diana have proven to me me to be very reliable and accurate.
Out of the box, any Diana will perform as advertised.
Just my personal opinion.
:D
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Way prettier than my 100 anniversary Crosman 362 ;)
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3D Diana...
Old "minds eye" illusion.
No, it's not, LOL!
Lady DIANA does not have wings!
;-)
Neat Optical illusion, but in reality it is an angel.
Thanks!
HM
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FWIW, I have tuned and tweaked my 100 Jahre D34, and it is one of the nicest shooting of all my rifles of that era.
:D
I can't think of any other airgun manufacturers that sell product at that price point where it needs to be tuned or tweaked ... a sad testimonial indeed!
Well Steve, with all respect to your experiences, I tune and tweak every airgun that I possess, and that includes everything that I own, no matter what the make or model.
If you know what you are doing, there is always room for improvement.
Although I favor Weihrauch over Diana, my Diana have proven to me me to be very reliable and accurate.
Out of the box, any Diana will perform as advertised.
Just my personal opinion.
:D
You should have seen my Henry H001, purty thing but couldn't hit squat til I worked on it. But price-point wise it was a cheaper gun and Henry stood by their warranty. Only reason I did the overhaul was that I was afraid they might replace it - and it was soooo purty...
At D34's price point you shouldn't HAVE to work on it, but yes, I do get your point, thanks for clarifying :D
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3D Diana...
Old "minds eye" illusion.
No, it's not, LOL!
Lady DIANA does not have wings!
;-)
Neat Optical illusion, but in reality it is an angel.
Thanks!
HM
No hat either!
Diana or Artemis is the goddess of the hunt. If anything, some deer legs would be more on brand than wings, but even that is a stretch: a form she might take and tease with now and then.
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FWIW, I have tuned and tweaked my 100 Jahre D34, and it is one of the nicest shooting of all my rifles of that era.
:D
I can't think of any other airgun manufacturers that sell product at that price point where it needs to be tuned or tweaked ... a sad testimonial indeed!
Well Steve, with all respect to your experiences, I tune and tweak every airgun that I possess, and that includes everything that I own, no matter what the make or model.
If you know what you are doing, there is always room for improvement.
Although I favor Weihrauch over Diana, my Diana have proven to me me to be very reliable and accurate.
Out of the box, any Diana will perform as advertised.
Just my personal opinion.
:D
You should have seen my Henry H001, purty thing but couldn't hit squat til I worked on it. But price-point wise it was a cheaper gun and Henry stood by their warranty. Only reason I did the overhaul was that I was afraid they might replace it - and it was soooo purty...
At D34's price point you shouldn't HAVE to work on it, but yes, I do get your point, thanks for clarifying :D
Sorry to be late with this reply, and thanks Steve, for your kind reply.
That being said, pretty much any airgun of any brand, OOTB (Out Of The Box) may have some issues, but not to the point of being unusable. For the casual buyer of such, I feel that most manufacturer's offerings stand up to their sales pitch, and back it up. Most of anything you buy will need its own breaking in period.
Many of us here (I won't name names, they are too many to remember, LOL) are into this game to improve upon original production, off the shelf items that we buy.
Whenever I buy something, either used or new, I first test it out and see how it performs OOTB. If I feel something a bit errant, I'll give it a few more rounds and see how it breaks in. If it's still not up to what I expected, I'll do my research, talk to some buddies or experts, and then tweak and tune as my abilities and tools will allow. So far, I've been pretty successful in doing this, always being cautious about not being able to return the gun to its original condition, even if it requires buying some spare parts.
My main advice is, research before you buy, especially if it is a high value/cost item. Watch some videos, read some Forum content, etc., and then make your decision.
It is this process that I go through in determining a new purchase. If I anticipate some mod's or improvements, I know that I am in capable hands, whether they be my own, or someone I trust. I pretty much expect to have to do some tuning, and that includes my PB's.
Hope this helps.
:D :D