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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Hunting Gate => Topic started by: DMR214 on January 31, 2022, 01:52:26 PM
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Good morning amigos.
So recently I got reacquainted with an old buddy of mine. Apparently nobody picked the pecans last year so now it's squirrel heaven. We setup about 40 yards away with .25cal jsb hades, 4 squirrels one got away. Went on to retrieve one behind a tree and had enough in him to run off. If I had a side arm I could have finished him and added to the pot. Any recommendations.? Prefer that it uses pellets and prefer it to like the polymags. What cal?..idk. How strong? Idk either. Irons? Prefer a micro dot type of pistol.
Figured I ask first before jumping the gun on a walmart bb pistol.
BTW skinned the squirrels and found 2 jsb pellets no expansion..
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Depends on how much money you want to spend. I really like my HW44 and it’s worth every penny. It generates almost 17 FPE at the muzzle.
Here’s my review of the pistol. I swapped out the Vortex red dot for a Holosun green dot sight.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=192465.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=192465.0)
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An Artemis pp750 in .22....not too expensive, multi shot. Krale 230 bucks, AirgunArchery Canada out of stock now....
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Another thought would be a 2240 XL they come with a steel breach and threaded muzzle, CO2 should be a non issue, in your climate, good enough for a close up finishing shot.
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I'm really liking the 2240. For the price it's not to shabby. I'm going to watch 2240 youtube videos for about a week. See what's up, thanks for these, they sure as heck beat those blowback co2's that run dry in like 2 seconds.
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Yeah, a 2240 or 1322 (if you don't want to buy C02) are good options. The Artemis pistol is a nice options too. I usually take a Daisy 880, or a "chopped" 760 pumpmaster.
The HW44 seems very nice, but is pricey. You could probably even reach out some with 17fpe on tap.
If on a tight budget and have a strong stomach (and don't mind people giving you funny looks), a shovel works in a pinch... ::) ;D :-X
Not much takes a whack from a shovel and walks away ;)
(Maybe a bit barbaric for "modern times", lol)
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Spetsnaz shovel is my go to. Indestructible and small, axe like.
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71z4f3yaUQL._AC_SL1500_.jpg)
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I'm thinking that your walking across the lawn with a pistol in-hand is not much better than having a rifle in-hand. However, if you're going to conceal it until you get there, I guess that's better.
Here are my thoughts:
- Benji NP Trail pistol - I have one and it's not bad. No CO2 to mess around with, powerful enough, but kinda big. Cheap. Quiet.
- Marauder Pistol - Much more capable, but it's really a stretch to call it a pistol. Still, you could conceal it inside a jacket... Nice thing about this is that it would have other applications, besides just a coup de grace gun.
- Crosman .357 / Vigilante or whatever they're calling it these days. A nice, cheap CO2 pellet revolver. These are fun for plinking, and some lightweight domes would finish the squirrel with a head shot. They're kind of loud, though.
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How about a Diana Bandit in .22
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My direct suggestion is to get a 1322. They are cheap and it should be enough for a finisher.
My other suggestion is get a doggie. Mine came from the pound. One of her favorite things to do is watch the backyard for targets for me. When she hears the gun go off she always thinks I hit it and demands to go out and find it. If it wiggles at all when she gets there she gives it a vigorus shake. I have to take it from her, however, fairly quickly, she has been known to bite off a piece.
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Willie G. Stubbs rides with me on the 0 turn... he'll do the job.
My goto snake gun....
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Willie G. Stubbs rides with me on the 0 turn... he'll do the job.
My goto snake gun....
https://youtu.be/4sApyft9qBc (https://youtu.be/4sApyft9qBc)
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He's too close... I shot the last one at maybe 20' from the seat of my 0 turn. Peep sight. Through and through head shot.
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He's too close... I shot the last one at maybe 20' from the seat of my 0 turn. Peep sight. Through and through head shot.
That’s a good snake.
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Yes it is, that one fed the local street cleaner birds... ;)
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Thanks for the recommendations.
Wow that's a nasty looking snake there. What gun is that?
Lol to the shovel.. except I don't think I could have hit it with the shovel. He was hiding behind the tree, you can see were I hit him to far back.
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It's a stubby I built from 2240 parts. I have one in .22 and one in .177.
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+1 for the 1322 for me.
Its compact enough, has tons of aftermarket upgrades available, no co2 or HPA to contend with, just load and pump, all day shooting as long as you have pellets and also adjustable power by the amount of pumps you put in.
No need to pump up to 10 if 5 pumps will get the job done at close range :)
When they have scopes mounted on them, we use power drill holsters from lowes to carry them in the woods. They make for decent low cost holsters.
Thanks
Ray
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At close range, a Beeman p-17 could get the job done as well.
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If you really want to go all out, look at the Ataman AP-16! It's a multi-shot PCP that is compact enough to holster and delivered plenty of power to dispatch a squirrel. It's also very accurate!
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If you really want to go all out, look at the Ataman AP-16! It's a multi-shot PCP that is compact enough to holster and delivered plenty of power to dispatch a squirrel. It's also very accurate!
I forgot about that one... I was way impressed when I shot yours.
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If you really want to go all out, look at the Ataman AP-16! It's a multi-shot PCP that is compact enough to holster and delivered plenty of power to dispatch a squirrel. It's also very accurate!
I forgot about that one... I was way impressed when I shot yours.
It's the best BB Pistol I've ever shot! LOL! ;D
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LOL.... it better be for that price.... :o
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If I got the ataman I probly wouldn't need the rifle anymore. 40 yards shot run up and finish him, I get to practice aiming and exercise running lol.
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At close range, a Beeman p-17 could get the job done as well.
Not disagreeing on this one, but I used the P17 once...
Required two "coup de grace" shots with Crosman field points to do the deed. Maybe it was a tough chipper (not squirrel), maybe the pellets were the wrong shape or just "out of range" at 7-10ft distance?
It'll work, but borderline (IMO). Just didn't have the gusto and left me with less than great feelings on using it for that purpose. Others may have had better results.
I had better luck using BB's (from a fairly accurate BB gun/rifle) at 520-ish to 600-ish actual fps (pumps varied depending on distance), even though that's frowned apon by most. But steel BB's do penetrate much better at lower velocity than lead. Safety glasses 8) are a must ;)
Side track story... Apologies, but may be useful information
If you're wondering on how I know about BB's, I had a buddy over-run with chippers and red squirrels years ago (abundant food and no predators). Went over to visit (not pest) and he was trying to pick them off with his (New at the time) Benjamin Trail NP .22. He asked if I had my Nitro Venom in the vehicle to lend a hand, but only had a Crosman 2100 pumper and BB's... Well, started at 10 pumps, way too much and BB's were zipping through (or missing) chippers and reds like nothing there (20 yards give or take) and we were dodging BB ricochetes. Through trial and error I found 4-5-6 pumps to give adequate penetration and best accuracy at <10-15-20-ish yards with BB's, by that I mean 80% through and through penetration, with minimal retained energy when they exited. I had no idea on actual velocity at the time, just going by the seat of my pants. Actually got good attaining fuse box shots at 15-18 yards.
Needless to say, one of the most fun/funny pesting expeditions I've ever had.
Later I got a Legacy 1000 pumper that was freakishly accurate with Daisy BB's and did the same ordeal a couple years later with that gun (that I kept in the vehicle). Come to find out, they both chronied about 520-530 at 4 pumps, 560-570 at 5 pumps, 600-ish at 6 pumps (if I recall correctly).
While a 5.1gr BB @ 525fps (+/-) may only make 3fpe, that's what I consider the absolute bottom of "adequate energy". The P17 is a 2-2.5fpe gun, which may work fine, but there are better options (than both BB's and low power "target" pistols).
But in a pinch... ;)
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As long as it's accurate.. works for me.
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New pcp pistol from Umzarex look like possibility.
Umarex Notos PCP Pistol
22cal / 700fps with 12gr pellet / 13FPE
Side_leveler, includes one mag. and SST.
Pre-order at Pyramyd Air $235.
I don't believe the moderator can be removed.
There is a short video from shot show, but, not much more info.
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New pcp pistol from Umzarex look like possibility.
Umarex Notos PCP Pistol
22cal / 700fps with 12gr pellet / 13FPE
Side_leveler, includes one mag. and SST.
Pre-order at Pyramyd Air $235.
I don't believe the moderator can be removed.
There is a short video from shot show, but, not much more info.
I think the carbine version of this air gun is more interesting. What the manufacturers need to do is create an air pistol that converts to a carbine and vice versa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psc86ZwiSXE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psc86ZwiSXE)
If the OP is wanting a really inexpensive but durable air pistol he might look at the Umarex Trevox. I have one but would not recommend anything but close up shots with the pistol.
The trigger is awful. That's putting it mildly. I disassembled mine and polished all the trigger components. It is still heavy but not as rough as it was out of the box.
Anyway, what can you expect for a pistol that costs less than $80?
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/umarex-trevox-air-pistol?m=4355 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/umarex-trevox-air-pistol?m=4355)
(https://www.pyramydair.com/images/PY-4355_Umarex-Trevox-Air-Pistol_1558031731.jpg)
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We might as well throw a Crosman 600 in the mix. It's as compact as Bill's venerable Willie G. Stubbs and carries 10 pellets on board. I call mine Big Loud Bertha cause it is loud.
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X2 pp750 from Krale
Stubby looks great, if you can build it, go for it.
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I know it’s pricey, but an Edgun Leshy is a perfect companion pistol. Folds in half, built like a tank, powerful, ultra lightweight, and mine loves JSB Hades. When I go coyote hunting with my .357 Bulldog, the Leshy is always in my back pack. It’s the perfect woodswalker or finish em off Airgun.
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Thanks .. I think I'm going with the 1322. Hopefully I like it. I'm sure the others would be better, but I'm saving for an RTI... thanks again.