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Airguns by Make and Model => Feinwerkbau => Topic started by: SeanGabrell on October 28, 2021, 09:19:25 PM
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A second hand Sport was delivered to my door last Friday. After a quick inspection, I was very impressed. Blueing was nice, stock finish was perfect, shouldered great! And then I cocked it….. you can almost feel and here every coil of the spring as it rode over the rear spring guide. Shot cycle was loud and the “boing” but quick and snappy.
I opened her up to see what can be done. The rear spring guide is very undersized for the ID of the main spring. I managed a make shift plastic liner that helped quite a bit. After re assembly she was shooting FTT’s at 850fps and JSB 8.44’s at 865fps for 13.5 and 14fpe. Next the trigger. The length of the first stage seems to be the only thing adjustable by the screw. It is a very heavy first stage (1 pound ish) that rolls right into a 1 pound 5 oz second stage break weight. Still not having full feeling in my trigger finger after the sawzall incident over the summer caused me to struggle with the very narrow difference in weight. I dialed out pretty much all of the 1st stage and now basically have a 1 stage trigger that breaks at 1 pound 4 1/2 oz on average.
Had a full day of shooting her on Saturday. After a quick pellet cull, I found the FX 8.4’s to do the best. Accuracy during zeroing was promising. Consistent 1/2-3/4 groups at 30 yards and tried a few at 50 yards. (2) 5 shot groups were almost identical, put 4 pellets through a ragged hole and pulled 1 about 1/2” away. Throughout the day the shot cycle started getting springy and my “make shift” fix was to blame. Opened up the rifle Sunday morning and my sleeve was basically hanging off the rear spring guide.
I haven’t been able to find a kit so I got a little creative. I had a vortek PG3 full power kit for a Diana 34 collecting dust so with a little modification to the rear guide where it meets up to the trigger assembly I was able to make it fit. And gracious what an improvement. If this holds up it will be one of my finest shooting rifles. Managed an hour behind the trigger tonight before I lost daylight and here are the results.
Apologies for the long post, just wanted to share my findings.
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Great post Sean. I love the angular looks of that gun. A shame they stopped making them.
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I seen the gun first hand and it's a beautiful gun. I'm glad you got it tamed. Those groups are fantastic. I look forward to shooting it now ;) ;D
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Great post Sean. I love the angular looks of that gun. A shame they stopped making them.
Pretty sure AOA still has them in stock so they are still around. They are solid rifles and highly recommended them. The machining is top notch. No internal burrs and the barrel lock up is incredible. I just have a hard time shooting with spring noise, it drives me crazy. The rear spring guide is my only gripe with the rifle. I’m sure the trigger will work it’s way in.
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I seen the gun first hand and it's a beautiful gun. I'm glad you got it tamed. Those groups are fantastic. I look forward to shooting it now ;) ;D
Ron I think you would love the way it’s shooting right now based on the way you set your rifles up. Next time we get together I want your honest opinion on it.
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I am glad she is in better hands. It was a pleasure doing business with you.
ENJOY!
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I am glad she is in better hands. ENJOY!
She’s a beauty Greg, I’ll take good care of her.
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Great post Sean. I love the angular looks of that gun. A shame they stopped making them.
Pretty sure AOA still has them in stock so they are still around. They are solid rifles and highly recommended them. The machining is top notch. No internal burrs and the barrel lock up is incredible. I just have a hard time shooting with spring noise, it drives me crazy. The rear spring guide is my only gripe with the rifle. I’m sure the trigger will work it’s way in.
I'm definitely interested in one, just have a hard time justifying the 600 dollar price tag when compared to a weihrauch like my HW95 Luxus that only cost 400 when I bought that. It is really a beautiful gun though.
Still, I love the novelty of different makes/designs from different manufacturers for increased choices. Another example being the SIG. Just a hard market to be in it seems for many of these companies.
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I seen the gun first hand and it's a beautiful gun. I'm glad you got it tamed. Those groups are fantastic. I look forward to shooting it now ;) ;D
Ron I think you would love the way it’s shooting right now based on the way you set your rifles up. Next time we get together I want your honest opinion on it.
I'm sure it will be my pleasure.
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Welcome to the FWB Sport club, Sean. The Sport and old granny me make an unlikely pair, but I love mine. Oh, the Sport isn't my most used springer, but pretty close. One thing for sure, the Sport's accuracy has my under levers collecting some dust.
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A second hand Sport was delivered to my door last Friday. After a quick inspection, I was very impressed. Blueing was nice, stock finish was perfect, shouldered great! And then I cocked it….. you can almost feel and here every coil of the spring as it rode over the rear spring guide. Shot cycle was loud and the “boing” but quick and snappy.
I opened her up to see what can be done. The rear spring guide is very undersized for the ID of the main spring. I managed a make shift plastic liner that helped quite a bit. After re assembly she was shooting FTT’s at 850fps and JSB 8.44’s at 865fps for 13.5 and 14fpe. Next the trigger. The length of the first stage seems to be the only thing adjustable by the screw. It is a very heavy first stage (1 pound ish) that rolls right into a 1 pound 5 oz second stage break weight. Still not having full feeling in my trigger finger after the sawzall incident over the summer caused me to struggle with the very narrow difference in weight. I dialed out pretty much all of the 1st stage and now basically have a 1 stage trigger that breaks at 1 pound 4 1/2 oz on average.
Had a full day of shooting her on Saturday. After a quick pellet cull, I found the FX 8.4’s to do the best. Accuracy during zeroing was promising. Consistent 1/2-3/4 groups at 30 yards and tried a few at 50 yards. (2) 5 shot groups were almost identical, put 4 pellets through a ragged hole and pulled 1 about 1/2” away. Throughout the day the shot cycle started getting springy and my “make shift” fix was to blame. Opened up the rifle Sunday morning and my sleeve was basically hanging off the rear spring guide.
I haven’t been able to find a kit so I got a little creative. I had a vortek PG3 full power kit for a Diana 34 collecting dust so with a little modification to the rear guide where it meets up to the trigger assembly I was able to make it fit. And gracious what an improvement. If this holds up it will be one of my finest shooting rifles. Managed an hour behind the trigger tonight before I lost daylight and here are the results.
Apologies for the long post, just wanted to share my findings.
Good job, Sean!
Congrats.
HM
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2 thumbs up! ;)
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Nice.
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That’s awesome. I got lucky with my sport. It has NO twang at all. Just a sharp quick crack and the pellet is on the way. Mine has been exceptionally accurate. It’s shot cycle and sound is similar to my .177 HW35e although more powerful.
Honestly my only complaint is the gun is a bit too powerful. I wouldn’t mind tuning it down but have no idea what spring to use.
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Very good Sean! 8)
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Good for you both--Greg and Sean!
Sean, that's excellent shooting, combined with excellent trouble shooting on the spring guide. One day, I'll have to man up and tear into mine to make repairs. Yikes. I'm not ready!!!!!
Archie
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Thanks all for checking out the post. Received a delivery today from vortek for a new PG4 steel kit for one of my TX’s and I also added a few HW80 vac seals on the slight chance it’ll fit the 30mm piston in the FWB, and bingo! Perfect fit. "dang" near identical dimensions. Just shot over 10 over the chrony and bumped up 15fps over the stock seal. Will probably rise more seeing that it has a new kit with under 100 shots and a brand new piston seal.
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Nice addition to your stable. The first one I bought had to be returned. Retailer didn't have any more so I bought the 2nd one tuned from Flying Dragons. Mike replaced the spring guide. Wow! It shoots like my TX200. Yer gonna love it.
On you aquire list you must get a Diana 340. It is just as good. Hector says the trigger can be adjusted to perfection. I concur.
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Nice addition to your stable. The first one I bought had to be returned. Retailer didn't have any more so I bought the 2nd one tuned from Flying Dragons. Mike replaced the spring guide. Wow! It shoots like my TX200. Yer gonna love it.
On you aquire list you must get a Diana 340. It is just as good. Hector says the trigger can be adjusted to perfection. I concur.
So far I’m impressed with this rifle. Looking forward to getting familiar with it. As of now I don’t own any Diana’s but a few are on my list. The 340 is one of them.
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Thanks all for checking out the post. Received a delivery today from vortek for a new PG4 steel kit for one of my TX’s and I also added a few HW80 vac seals on the slight chance it’ll fit the 30mm piston in the FWB, and bingo! Perfect fit. "dang" near identical dimensions. Just shot over 10 over the chrony and bumped up 15fps over the stock seal. Will probably rise more seeing that it has a new kit with under 100 shots and a brand new piston seal.
I knew she would be in better hands. Have you put a scope on her yet?
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Thanks all for checking out the post. Received a delivery today from vortek for a new PG4 steel kit for one of my TX’s and I also added a few HW80 vac seals on the slight chance it’ll fit the 30mm piston in the FWB, and bingo! Perfect fit. "dang" near identical dimensions. Just shot over 10 over the chrony and bumped up 15fps over the stock seal. Will probably rise more seeing that it has a new kit with under 100 shots and a brand new piston seal.
I knew she would be in better hands. Have you put a scope on her yet?
I did. Put an airmax compact 3-12 on her. I’d be lucky to hit 2” groups at 30 yards with open sights. Great rifle Greg, thanks for passing her along.
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Excellent shooting Sean. The biggest improvement FWB made with the new Sport model is the trigger group in my opinion. I figgited a bit with the adjustment but never found a setting I liked and set it back to the factory setting. After a few hundred rounds, the trigger groups really started to improve ALOT!!! My advice to you would be to keep a careful watch on the trigger as you continue to cycle the rifle, especially with a positive lockup when cocked. Other than that, I hope you continue to enjoy how much your Sport will improve with use!!
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Excellent shooting Sean. The biggest improvement FWB made with the new Sport model is the trigger group in my opinion. I figgited a bit with the adjustment but never found a setting I liked and set it back to the factory setting. After a few hundred rounds, the trigger groups really started to improve ALOT!!! My advice to you would be to keep a careful watch on the trigger as you continue to cycle the rifle, especially with a positive lockup when cocked. Other than that, I hope you continue to enjoy how much your Sport will improve with use!!
For sure. It gets easier to break the barrel, too, and the cocking effort smoothes out.
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Thanks all for checking out the post. Received a delivery today from vortek for a new PG4 steel kit for one of my TX’s and I also added a few HW80 vac seals on the slight chance it’ll fit the 30mm piston in the FWB, and bingo! Perfect fit. "dang" near identical dimensions. Just shot over 10 over the chrony and bumped up 15fps over the stock seal. Will probably rise more seeing that it has a new kit with under 100 shots and a brand new piston seal.
I knew she would be in better hands. Have you put a scope on her yet?
Sean, Don't give up on open sights. This FWB Sport has the BEST iron sights I have ever seen. I recently had cataract surgery and can see again. Since the iron sights are so good I decided not to scope it. It's so much fun. I enjoy the challenge and know that IF I scope it, it would shoot just like my TX200 and/or HW77 underlevers. They however don't allow a guy to use iron sights. FWB's iron sights are really precision and precise.
I did. Put an airmax compact 3-12 on her. I’d be lucky to hit 2” groups at 30 yards with open sights. Great rifle Greg, thanks for passing her along.
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You know Guys/Gals,
I've been following the FWB Sport for a few years now, never "pulling the trigger" to buy because of $$$ vs. any Weihrauch springer from Krale. It's long (aka HW80/R1), has a plastic trigger guard and substandard trigger vs. Rekord. So I've had a hard time adding to the collection as a novelty gun - which I think it likely will be.
It's only available in .177 (my favorite Springer caliber) and it's kinda unmanageable because of it's length. I don't need a super long barrel for cocking (the HW80/R1 barrel is excessively long for me).
On the other hand, I very much respect the NCG opinion of the FWB Sport.
- I think I'm more curious about adding a FX Impact/Crown to check out vs. the FWB Sport even though it's > 3x expensive. The Impact is different enough vs. my RAW's compared to the FWB Sport vs. the HW95/R10/R1.
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Very much an apples to oranges or maybe pumpkins to oak trees between the FX Impact/Crown and the FWB Sport, but I do understand, since we also shoot PCP. :) I was a little concerned that I might lose some interest in shooting our springers when we expanded our PCP shooting this year, but if anything, shooting PCPs more has made me appreciate the springers all the more. Love the sense of freedom I get from shooting guns that shoot so well and need no support equipment.
As for the long barrel on the Sport, it works for me. With that Sport stock, there's just enough muzzle weight to make shooting the Sport without a rest a treat. Reminds me somewhat of our HW35E in that respect. Of course, we just shoot in the backyard and are not out in the woods carrying these rifles all day. That said, I'd rather carry the Sport around than our heavier and bulkier under levers. The Sport stock has quite a different feel than even our HW break barrels. My HW95L, for instance, feels a little bloated by comparison.
Another feature of the Sport that I've come to appreciate is the safety. Much more user friendly than the safety on the HWs.
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Very much an apples to oranges or maybe pumpkins to oak trees between the FX Impact/Crown and the FWB Sport, but I do understand, since we also shoot PCP. :) I was a little concerned that I might lose some interest in shooting our springers when we expanded our PCP shooting this year, but if anything, shooting PCPs more has made me appreciate the springers all the more. Love the sense of freedom I get from shooting guns that shoot so well and need no support equipment.
I agree - never giving up the Springers.
I've found shooting the PCP's at 100 yards is very challenging; compares to shooting Springers at 50-75 yards. You really need to understand "reading the wind", begin to pellet sort & work on breathing more consistently. I still haven't got it sorted out (which makes it fun - I think) ::)?
- Right now I feel more confident in my ability to shoot my Springers - knowing them so well over the years ...
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Good for you. Love the PCPs (and we have some great ones), but I'd sell off the PCPs before I would sell the springers.
Can't imagine the challenge of shooting POCPs at 100 yards, given I know how going from just 30 yards to 50 yards is such a game changer.
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As for the long barrel on the Sport, it works for me. With that Sport stock, there's just enough muzzle weight to make shooting the Sport without a rest a treat. Reminds me somewhat of our HW35E in that respect. Of course, we just shoot in the backyard and are not out in the woods carrying these rifles all day. That said, I'd rather carry the Sport around than our heavier and bulkier under levers. The Sport stock has quite a different feel than even our HW break barrels. My HW95L, for instance, feels a little bloated by comparison.
Another feature of the Sport that I've come to appreciate is the safety. Much more user friendly than the safety on the HWs.
Yeah, I'm a bench shooter only - no hunting or walking through the wood (even though I love the woods).
My newer R9 has the same stock as the HW95L and Yes - the forearm to too fat and rounded vs. my 1988 R10 with Goudy stock. That's the only thing I don't like about the newer HW95L/R9 stock - I'd re-work the stock if I could get the stain to work out as well as OEM.
The one thing I will say NCG - how you can shoot so well without ever tuning anything still amazes me :o
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I don't know how many $$$$ a new HW95 stock costs, but if you can stand the exposed pivot screws the forearm of the HW95 is much slimmer than the R9
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As for the long barrel on the Sport, it works for me. With that Sport stock, there's just enough muzzle weight to make shooting the Sport without a rest a treat. Reminds me somewhat of our HW35E in that respect. Of course, we just shoot in the backyard and are not out in the woods carrying these rifles all day. That said, I'd rather carry the Sport around than our heavier and bulkier under levers. The Sport stock has quite a different feel than even our HW break barrels. My HW95L, for instance, feels a little bloated by comparison.
Another feature of the Sport that I've come to appreciate is the safety. Much more user friendly than the safety on the HWs.
Yeah, I'm a bench shooter only - no hunting or walking through the wood (even though I love the woods).
My newer R9 has the same stock as the HW95L and Yes - the forearm to too fat and rounded vs. my 1988 R10 with Goudy stock. That's the only thing I don't like about the newer HW95L/R9 stock - I'd re-work the stock if I could get the stain to work out as well as OEM.
The one thing I will say NCG - how you can shoot so well without ever tuning anything still amazes me :o
Why thank-you. Appreciate the nice comment. I do adjust the triggers on all my guns. Does that count? :)
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You know Guys/Gals,
I've been following the FWB Sport for a few years now, never "pulling the trigger" to buy because of $$$ vs. any Weihrauch springer from Krale. It's long (aka HW80/R1), has a plastic trigger guard and substandard trigger vs. Rekord. So I've had a hard time adding to the collection as a novelty gun - which I think it likely will be.
It's only available in .177 (my favorite Springer caliber) and it's kinda unmanageable because of it's length. I don't need a super long barrel for cocking (the HW80/R1 barrel is excessively long for me).
On the other hand, I very much respect the NCG opinion of the FWB Sport.
- I think I'm more curious about adding a FX Impact/Crown to check out vs. the FWB Sport even though it's > 3x expensive. The Impact is different enough vs. my RAW's compared to the FWB Sport vs. the HW95/R10/R1.
You can't compare those two airguns indeed.
Though I'd love having the FWB too (regret they're obsolete now), looking at your collection, I don't think the FWB does add anything additional to what you already have in place. At least that is how I always take a very rational approach to a new airgun purchase :D
The impact on the other hand... You can go .30, or even .35 these days. Or .22 slugs and I looove the modularity of the Impact. A springer would not come even close to the fun this could bring.
Still, the FWB... Actually you should have both ;)