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Airguns by Make and Model => Air Venturi Airguns => Topic started by: Wayne52 on August 19, 2020, 11:46:46 PM
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Since having mine for 8 days now is proof enough that the gun is phenomenal for the price and what it has to offer. The amazing part is that everything it offers it does nicely and without even a hicup so far. At the moment I have mine tuned for the NOE 250-27-RF Hunters in 26 grain.
(https://i.imgur.com/haM05Cj.jpg)
With the 26 grain "Hunter" I'm getting great 5 shot groups
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=175973.0;attach=326102;image)
Right now I have a UTG 4-16X 44mm old scope that's probably 1/3rd the weight of the gun but man does it perform well on this gun.
I may soon break down and try one of the Discovery scopes, I'm sure that I can find one that's comparable in functions that's much lighter.
The thing that's nice about the UTG I have on it is it only cost me the price of shipping and came with everything including the battery (never use them).
The scope itself is like brand new and works very smoothly but I hate not having side parallax.
When I first got the gun I tried 34.5 grain "Magnum Hunter's in it, It came with the reg gauge set to 2900psi from the box. At that setting it was getting in the mid
55fpe range but no where near as many shot's per fill like I have it tune now with lighter shorter pellets. The accuracy was excellent as well. The Avenger
wouldn't have a problem at all shooting a coyote at 50 yards if the user was capable.
As many of you know I'm into making my own pellets and slugs and haven't purchased any .22 or larger in over 2 years now, my hat's off to Bob Sterne (designer) and
Al @Noe builder for making such quality molds for airguns.
(https://i.imgur.com/D4QiYVf.jpg)
I actually hope this Avenger goes the distance of the warranty and only time and use will tell.
(https://i.imgur.com/cDOeS0m.jpg)
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Wayne, As usual, a great informative post. Thanks for sharing your results.
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The Avenger has to be new pcp of the year ... hitting a list of features with a 6 lbs weight .. you usually see on upper end gun's.... ;D ... I can see a wood stock being available for this gun ... maybe we could get boyds to make a nice laminate for it ,who ever does it will sell them like crazy ;)
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Since having mine for 8 days now is proof enough that the gun is phenomenal for the price and what it has to offer. The amazing part is that everything it offers it does nicely and without even a hicup so far. At the moment I have mine tuned for the NOE 250-27-RF Hunters in 26 grain.
(https://i.imgur.com/haM05Cj.jpg)
With the 26 grain "Hunter" I'm getting great 5 shot groups
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=175973.0;attach=326102;image)
Right now I have a UTG 4-16X 44mm old scope that's probably 1/3rd the weight of the gun but man does it perform well on this gun.
I may soon break down and try one of the Discovery scopes, I'm sure that I can find one that's comparable in functions that's much lighter.
The thing that's nice about the UTG I have on it is it only cost me the price of shipping and came with everything including the battery (never use them).
The scope itself is like brand new and works very smoothly but I hate not having side parallax.
When I first got the gun I tried 34.5 grain "Magnum Hunter's in it, It came with the reg gauge set to 2900psi from the box. At that setting it was getting in the mid
55fpe range but no where near as many shot's per fill like I have it tune now with lighter shorter pellets. The accuracy was excellent as well. The Avenger
wouldn't have a problem at all shooting a coyote at 50 yards if the user was capable.
As many of you know I'm into making my own pellets and slugs and haven't purchased any .22 or larger in over 2 years now, my hat's off to Bob Sterne (designer) and
Al @Noe builder for making such quality molds for airguns.
(https://i.imgur.com/D4QiYVf.jpg)
I actually hope this Avenger goes the distance of the warranty and only time and use will tell.
(https://i.imgur.com/cDOeS0m.jpg)
They are gonna sell a boatload of them for sure, They hit it outa park rarely you see even much higher price guns with so little GEN I problems and so many pluses.
It would look great to in a slim Bullpup configuration with those equal length tubes, and of course a nice wood stock will be a great ad to the line.
They might put a few manufacturers out of business :) :) ...even if they ad 100 bucks for the bullpup and wooden stocked rifle.
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Thanks for the great replies everyone !!! I just topped it off and will be heading for the woods with it in about an hour. I did see one very big red squirrel yesterday however it was moving like a streak out of the pines, through the hardwoods and into the swamp, there was no chance on that one.
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I've been considering an entry level PCP for a while now. Just to see what it's all about. This "Avenger" while no beauty queen, seems like a good place to dip my toe in the water. And while apparently "I'm not a fan", I cant help but wonder how the "Avenger" would compare to a regulated "Sentry". In my opinion the "Sentry" is the better looking of the two...
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I don't think it was made to be pretty. I think I was made to use. Form followed function on this one. I think they listened to all of our comments and suggestions on the larger than life Marauder. I also think they hit it out of the park. And they did it at half the cost compared to the M/SRod when they hit the market.
The downside, if any, will be to those of you who have the uncontrollable need to mod and upgrade. So far all we've seen is attempts to quiet it more, which BTW, I don't find the gun any louder than the M/SRod. I'm certainly not going to change that on mine.
I've also seen a few adding filler inside the stock... I don't know what this is about... I don't hear any noise coming out of it like a springer has and I definitely don't want to add weight to the gun. The 6.0lb. was one of the reasons I bought the gun. The gun is balanced and shoulders well.
I really do like wood and metal guns and I own several... they are pretty to look at... and too pretty to drag around in the woods, strap to the rack on my 4 wheeler or toss in the back seat of my truck. They also add weight.
Bullpup? Forgetaboutit... I'm not a bullpup kinda guy. Tried it, don't like it.
I bought it, scoped it, added a clap on, clap off solid bipod and it's good to go. We don't even have to add so much as a sling stud... they are already there.
In my opinion, this is the sliced bread of PCP.
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Did I mention that spare mags are under $10 and you can order them virtually anywhere?
Oh and one more thing.... NO FLIPPIN' FILL PROBE !!! I HATE FILL PROBES !!!
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Sounds quite appealing. Now; if only they were available...
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In that respect I got lucky, I guess. I wanted a .25, went to the R&L website and ordered it and didn't pay a dime over the $300 price.... shipped. 4 days later I had it in my hands.
I don't think we'll see all the pushed back dates on these, I think the delays are due to the shipping/Covid-19 issues.
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I'm beginning to think this gun needs it's own sub forum.
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Excellent Wayne! I never thought you would get that power and shot count out of it at only a 3600 fill. 8)
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Nova basically read about all of the mods people like Stephen and Duy did to the Liberty and incorporated them then named it Avenger. There's only 2 things that the Avenger has that my liberty doesn't is an easy adj reg and a reg pressure gage. They Already had the HS and on the freedom/Aspen and it would fit just fine in the liberty. They did make it so you can fit both types of scope mounts. GTA in a sense designed the avenger.
I hate autocorrect 😡
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Did I mention that spare mags are under $10 and you can order them virtually anywhere?
Oh and one more thing.... NO FLIPPIN' FILL PROBE !!! I HATE FILL PROBES !!!
Bill are you talking about seneca magazines ? at PA ? those were the only ones i found so far that look to be the same ....
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OH I JUST had a thought ....... I have not bought a .22 in like forever ,and I have 2 more brand new scopes sitting here ;D ;D ;D ....is it .22 Avenger time ? ;D the bonus would be it looks like the .25 Avenger that I just bought so the wife would never know ! ... I think that it is a genius idea ! ! ;) what do you guys think ? { HA ! HA ! like I dont know ;D ;D ;)}
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Yeah Dan.... the mags in the link are the 2 spares I bought. They are exactly like the ones that came with the gun.
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I don't hear much about the plastic breech and mounting rails so it must not be an issue. Some video somewhere talked about how easy it was for the gun frame to distort. Maybe I'm thinking of another gun or as I said, it is a non issue because no one is talking about it.
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I don't hear much about the plastic breech and mounting rails so it must not be an issue. Some video somewhere talked about how easy it was for the gun frame to distort. Maybe I'm thinking of another gun or as I said, it is a non issue because no one is talking about it.
I'm not finding it to be an issue but then again, I only have 4 mags through my gun so far.
I don't carry my gun around by the scope either.
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Let one soak in a hot car for a day and see if it is still on target ???
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Mine set out in the 100 F sun all day on a shooting bench and never shifted.
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Mine set out in the 100 F sun all day on a shooting bench and never shifted.
Good enough for me, let my tools in the sun for a few minutes and they are too hot to pick up, so I try not to, lol or cover them with a mini tarp ;)
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Mine set out in the 100 F sun all day on a shooting bench and never shifted.
Good enough for me, let my tools in the sun for a few minutes and they are too hot to pick up, so I try not to, lol or cover them with a mini tarp ;)
Unfortunatlly I was hanging on the other end all day LOL. I did have a Sun shade above me but it was smoking Hot all day.
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yeah, if mine sat out on the shooting bench all day in 100f temps it would be one lonely airgun.
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HA ! HA ! My Avenger .25 is laying on the love seat with the AC on ! 8) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) and I have been feeding it real good 2 ;D a steady lead diet ;)
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Many people consider this gun entry level, well I have to agree in that aspect as far as the price goes however that's it. Everything about the gun is what most PCP users strive for except for a nice walnut stock but a good walnut stock for a gun like this will cost probably double the price of the gun. I know there's many people that had these guns on pre-order so it's very evident as to why they're not available right now. I knew that I wasn't going to order from PA with all the pre-orders and always figured I'd just wait until I seen them for sale on a website and that ended up being RL Ariguns !!! I doubt that I'll buy another one too awfully soon because the way that I see it my Liberty fills that niche in .22 and if I decided to turn it up more I'll just take it apart and do my thing. I'll try putting about a thousand more through it at this setting before I turn it back up for trying slugs in it, I've already got a good test tin of them cast up right now but as of yet I haven't put one over the chrony yet and I may just cast up some more before I do that too. I knew that I wanted the .25 and at the time I ordered it I easily could have ordered the .22 instead but for me that was a no brainer because of already having the Liberty.
The way that I see it is Nova Vista gave SPA a big time SPANKING as Xisico did the same with the new portable compressor. SPA has been getting too big of a head for quite some time now and it's been quite a while since I've bought any of their products. SPA basically won't deal with a U.S. based distributor and Travis can vouch for all the rigamaroll that JSAR had to go through to just try to import their products. I know for a fact that barrels can be ordered direct from China without having to go through any red tape and that I found out through a conversation with Mike Melick on the horn.
(https://i.imgur.com/R5sXhWc.jpg)
The only thing I shot with mine today was an excellent head shot at 30 yards on a chipper.
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Here's a 5 shot group that I did yesterday, it ended up being 6 shot cause I pulled on the 5th shot. Sorry for the terrible camera work
https://youtu.be/VsNXie4S1bI
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Here's a 5 shot group that I did yesterday, it ended up being 6 shot cause I pulled on the 5th shot. Sorry for the terrible camera work
https://youtu.be/VsNXie4S1bI
No worries Wayne you did just fine on the camera were you bench shooting ? I just noticed after reducing the pull weight of the trigger down it was a lot easier to shoot accurately ....
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The way that I see it is Nova Vista gave SPA a big time SPANKING as Xisico did the same with the new portable compressor. SPA has been getting too big of a head for quite some time now and it's been quite a while since I've bought any of their products. SPA basically won't deal with a U.S. based distributor and Travis can vouch for all the rigamaroll that JSAR had to go through to just try to import their products.
One can't help but think what wonders await in the winds for PCPs in the next 2-5 years.
Thinking we are living past the "Golden Years of PCPs" to in the Platnium Years of PCPs".
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Here's a 5 shot group that I did yesterday, it ended up being 6 shot cause I pulled on the 5th shot. Sorry for the terrible camera work
https://youtu.be/VsNXie4S1bI
No worries Wayne you did just fine on the camera were you bench shooting ? I just noticed after reducing the pull weight of the trigger down it was a lot easier to shoot accurately ....
I was sitting on a five gallon bucket resting on the top log of an old make shift hunting blind. It was a small diameter and rolls around a little so I have to be careful when shooting.
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Assuming there is some level of parts supply chain this one looks like a no-brainer for .177, .22, and .25. If I had an empty slot in that area of my airsenal I would certainly pick one up.
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Wayne,
Where did you end up on your Reg and HS settings. I am currently at 2300 on the Reg and 3 full turns in on the HS from backed out all of the way. 914 fps with .25 cal 25 gr Kings, ES 7 fps. Doesn’t drop off until I get below 2100 psi, then around 2000 the POI jumps up and to the left consistently and stays there. My Avenger .25 seems to like JSB Kings in both 25 and 33 gr best. My air bleed screw leaks a little overnight, 100 psi. Thanks again for all of your Great posts.
Keith
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I’m surprised Crossman ( Benjamin ) never made the Maximus in a 25 cal
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Wayne,
Where did you end up on your Reg and HS settings. I am currently at 2300 on the Reg and 3 full turns in on the HS from backed out all of the way. 914 fps with .25 cal 25 gr Kings, ES 7 fps. Doesn’t drop off until I get below 2100 psi, then around 2000 the POI jumps up and to the left consistently and stays there. My Avenger .25 seems to like JSB Kings in both 25 and 33 gr best. My air bleed screw leaks a little overnight, 100 psi. Thanks again for all of your Great posts.
Keith
Keith I've got the hammer backed off all the way and when my SCBA starts filling is right about 1900psi.
(https://i.imgur.com/haM05Cj.jpg)
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Thank you Wayne. Your help is greatly appreciated!
Keith
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my 25 cal i got from randy r&l super good feller to deal with it was filled with air 2700 psi and if i reading it right 2700 on reg do i need to back it down to 1900
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Fred in my opinion 2700psi it too much for pellets, if you're going to be shooting heavy stuff with it I personally would still back mine down to about 2300psi for slugs from what I've seen. I may soon turn mine back up to try a bunch of the slugs I've cast in it soon. I haven't done a chronograph test with them yet but in the near future I will be.
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thanks man its set at 2700 i was thinking was hi
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Just make sure you follow instructions from the manual for adjusting the reg setting because you can't turn it down until you degas it first, turn the adjustment clockwise until it seats, fill the gun, and turn the adjustment screw counter clockwise at very tiny increments until you reach the desired pressure. I'm sure that eventually someone will be trying different hammer springs in the .25's because in my opinion the one that they come with is too much unless you are going to be shooting the real heavy stuff. The way mine is set up right now shooting 26 grain Hunters increasing the hammer spring doesn't make a difference in velocity so I leave it backed off.
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Fred in my opinion 2700psi it too much for pellets, if you're going to be shooting heavy stuff with it I personally would still back mine down to about 2300psi for slugs from what I've seen. I may soon turn mine back up to try a bunch of the slugs I've cast in it soon. I haven't done a chronograph test with them yet but in the near future I will be.
yeah turn it down ... I am at 2200 with hammer adjusted all the way out at 880 fps 25.39 kings shooting very accurate , I think I am going down to 2100 , and try to get around 840 at the bottom of the hammer spring, and be able to go back up to 880 -900 with hammer adjust, then at some point soon come up with a mold for casting light weight bullets ... ;) I cast every thing up for the xp ranger .45 and the xp badger .40 ,and have a very nice selection of molds for those guns ...
I need to work at some point on the .25 stuff ... rebuilding /remodeling my house to sell next spring to move to Arizona {to get away from the rain /cold here }, is taking a lot of my fun time away .. ::) :P my plans in AZ include property with a 300 yard shooting range of my own I am thinking ;D ;D ;D so keep working on the monster ! for the pay day ::) ;D ;)
Wayne have you sized the barrel yet ?
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Dan the one thing that I'd like to see is an exploded view of this gun, being it's under warranty I won't mess with taking it apart right now, I'm curious whether or not they have the hammer spring in them shimmed ??? If that's the case I'd remove a shim myself.
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Fred in my opinion 2700psi it too much for pellets, if you're going to be shooting heavy stuff with it I personally would still back mine down to about 2300psi for slugs from what I've seen. I may soon turn mine back up to try a bunch of the slugs I've cast in it soon. I haven't done a chronograph test with them yet but in the near future I will be.
cant wait for you slug testing with this one Wayne. especially the .249-39-rf-e6 Noe mold slugs.
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Dan when I shot them on high power they grouped pretty good but I honestly didn't have the scope dialed in for them so they all grouped off the pin up target when I tried a clip. That was back when I first got it with the regulator set at 2900psi. Back when I originally bought the mold I got it mainly for the .25 DAR however I never really tried them in the DAR because the magazines aren't available for them yet. With all the remarkably low cost nice pcps available these days it's hard staying away from buying them.
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I just watched this video Stephen (The Banker) did with his 25 cal Avenger. He's got both pros and cons to say about it and the pros outweigh the cons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHhMJxPzwq4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHhMJxPzwq4)
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Thanks for posting that video Wayne ... he did a good job taking the Avenger apart... this is a nice one to have if you have to go there ... ;)
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Within the next several months I predict some failures of this gun however until mine fails I think I'll leave mine the way it is. I'm thinking that a person could make a custom barrel band screw that goes through all the way to make tightening up the barrel band without marring the air tube or shroud, maybe even use brass screws in place of the steel ones would probably be good too. I think the die cast material in question is probably a zinc alloy of some sort.
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That was a really good video. Thanks for posting it.
Seems like this rifle would be a good one for a guy wanting to tinker, tune or just learn about the inner workings of a PCP that has modern features.
The quality of many parts on it certainly match the low price of the gun but hey, check out those targets. :D
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I'm subscribed to Stephens youtube channel, I did couple of five shot groups with my Avenger this morning.
https://youtu.be/xXDrzBxGT9o (https://youtu.be/xXDrzBxGT9o)
I was using my 26g Hunters, the Magnum Hunters shoot really good too.
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=176978.0;attach=329273;image)
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Wayne those shoot pretty good ! thanks for the video / info ... ;D
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Thanks Dan !!!
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I think there has been enough "real" user feedback, like yours, that support allot of the early reviews. Excellent value for the money. :)
While I agree with Stephen's comments, the one that has the most interest, to me, is the use of the plastic covered die-cast receiver. That seems to be the "new" mfg design into the "value" category. I'm sure others are using it, like sig, but not prominent yet. While it may limit power mods, can't fault a mfg for that. What its long-term reliability is, we will have to wait and see. Not many liked uni-body cars when they first came out. I was a member of that group, and probably a skeptic on the die-cast, but it will be proven or dis-proven by users like yourself.
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Like the Rotex, Buddy has a Rotex and the cast has worn big, Lots of slop in that gun now. Just look how long a cap gun lasts ! . I myself will stay away from matchbox car metal........
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I noticed 1 thing Stephen is going to do all that work to make a wood stock for the gun out of that block of wood ;D ;D ;D he must really like it and have enough confidence in the gun holding up, or why would you put all that effort in ? ... ;)
personally I do not think there is enough stress put on that cast piece to get to worried about it ...
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I noticed 1 thing Stephen is going to do all that work to make a wood stock for the gun out of that block of wood ;D ;D ;D he must really like it and have enough confidence in the gun holding up, or why would you put all that effort in ? ... ;)
I'm not sure if the effort plays into his decision, but bet it will be an excellent looking stock, like the ones he did for the Liberty. :)
The bottom tube will require some deep inletting, and would be a challenge for many trying to use a "partial" inletted stock. It maybe a limitation for NV to come out with a beech stock version for it without it weighing a ton. The Origin, with single tube would be easier, but looks to have a more "standard" syn stock, not the clam shell. I don't think Boyds have picked up any other airgun outside of Mrod and Disco/Maximus/Fortitude.
While I'm not estatic about the two clam shell Libertys I have, they definitly make it lighter and more field carry manageable. And you certainly don't worry about scratching them. When you pick it up, it just doesn't inspire you to the rest of the quality of it. If it matters, I'm not estatic about the Bulldog clam-shell stock, either. ;)
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I agree, Air Venturi has set the bar high for inexpensive top notch PCP with the Avenger. But, the new Umarex Origin may be a better choice for some, especially those who are new to PCP airgunning and do not have an established HP air source.
ar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=weI51KhH91s&feature=emb_logo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=weI51KhH91s&feature=emb_logo)
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Like the Rotex, Buddy has a Rotex and the cast has worn big, Lots of slop in that gun now. Just look how long a cap gun lasts ! . I myself will stay away from matchbox car metal........
Depends on the alloy used. Everywhere, castings are used and give good service. The cars we drive, the airplanes we fly in, all use castings safely. Please do not go condemning something until you have all of the facts. My .02
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I agree, Air Venturi has set the bar high for inexpensive top notch PCP with the Avenger. But, the new Umarex Origin may be a better choice for some, especially those who are new to PCP airgunning and do not have an established HP air source.
ar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=weI51KhH91s&feature=emb_logo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=weI51KhH91s&feature=emb_logo)
Better off getting the Avenger , a lot better gun feature wise for the $$$ hand pumps are only 50 bucks or so... ;)
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I agree, Air Venturi has set the bar high for inexpensive top notch PCP with the Avenger. But, the new Umarex Origin may be a better choice for some, especially those who are new to PCP airgunning and do not have an established HP air source.
ar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=weI51KhH91s&feature=emb_logo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=weI51KhH91s&feature=emb_logo)
Better off getting the Avenger , a lot better gun feature wise for the $$$ hand pumps are only 50 bucks or so... ;)
Good point Dan but I'm not sure I agree completely. The Origin's air reservoir has a very innovative Gas-spring assist which makes it much easier to fill, and the gas-spring maintains pressure in the reservoir until the fill-pressure is virtually depleted. This system results in very consistent power throughout the entire shot-string, similar to what one would expect from a regulated gun. A new PCP airgunner starring with a hand pump might really appreciate this feature.
ar
https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-sz-001&hsimp=yhs-001&hspart=sz&p=youtube+Umarex+Origin+.22#id=4&vid=ebed9a0e0888705b0fe5bf0dd7826e43&action=click (https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-sz-001&hsimp=yhs-001&hspart=sz&p=youtube+Umarex+Origin+.22#id=4&vid=ebed9a0e0888705b0fe5bf0dd7826e43&action=click)
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It seems like a practical idea and it's hard to believe that it has not been tried before or has it.
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I agree, Air Venturi has set the bar high for inexpensive top notch PCP with the Avenger. But, the new Umarex Origin may be a better choice for some, especially those who are new to PCP airgunning and do not have an established HP air source.
ar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=weI51KhH91s&feature=emb_logo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=weI51KhH91s&feature=emb_logo)
Better off getting the Avenger , a lot better gun feature wise for the $$$ hand pumps are only 50 bucks or so... ;)
Good point Dan but I'm not sure I agree completely. The Origin's air reservoir has a very innovative Gas-spring assist which makes it much easier to fill, and the gas-spring maintains pressure in the reservoir until the fill-pressure is virtually depleted. This system results in very consistent power throughout the entire shot-string, similar to what one would expect from a regulated gun. A new PCP airgunner starring with a hand pump might really appreciate this feature.
ar
https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-sz-001&hsimp=yhs-001&hspart=sz&p=youtube+Umarex+Origin+.22#id=4&vid=ebed9a0e0888705b0fe5bf0dd7826e43&action=click (https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-sz-001&hsimp=yhs-001&hspart=sz&p=youtube+Umarex+Origin+.22#id=4&vid=ebed9a0e0888705b0fe5bf0dd7826e43&action=click)
It seems like a practical idea and it's hard to believe that it has not been tried before or has it.
Bob,
To my knowledge, the Umarex Origin's "Ever Pressure Fill System" is unique. However, It may inspire other "out of the Box" products in the future.
ar
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I used my Avenger for opening day squirrel season yesterday and it did not fail me. The worse part about the hunt was the fact that I packed one Marauder magazine instead of both for the Avenger. I've got two more mags coming for mine that are supposed to be here tomorrow which will definitely make things much better. The light weight is the biggest plus of this gun no doubt 8)
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Lightweight guns are awesome
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I used my Avenger for opening day squirrel season yesterday and it did not fail me. The worse part about the hunt was the fact that I packed one Marauder magazine instead of both for the Avenger. I've got two more mags coming for mine that are supposed to be here tomorrow which will definitely make things much better. The light weight is the biggest plus of this gun no doubt 8)
OH YEAH ! for packing it around in the woods hunting at 6 lbs beats 8-10 all day long ! ... it about shoulder's like a bullpup got a love that Avenger no doubt about it PCP air gun of the year nothing comes close at 300 bucks ! ... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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That 6lb. weight is what forced my finger to push the 'buy it now' button. I was already impressed by the features and price tag but, I really didn't need another airgun. Of course, we don't yet know the longevity of this gun. Yes, there are some concerns with the budget construction. But, so far, I have zero complaints and I'm no where near regretting my purchase... YMMV.
I reckon we'll just have to wait and see what things will be like a few thousand shots down the road.
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I made a proto-type modification to my barrel band where it clamps the shroud and upper air tube using the existing barrel band and a thinned down 10-32 socket head cap screw. Does a circumferential grip on the tubes. Looks pretty good. I will post back after I get another 500 shots through it. It is not too difficult of a repair that perhaps Air Venturi would make an upgrade part to send out to owners of the Avenger.
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That 6lb. weight is what forced my finger to push the 'buy it now' button. I was already impressed by the features and price tag but, I really didn't need another airgun. Of course, we don't yet know the longevity of this gun. Yes, there are some concerns with the budget construction. But, so far, I have zero complaints and I'm no where near regretting my purchase... YMMV.
I reckon we'll just have to wait and see what things will be like a few thousand shots down the road.
Bill .... Steve AEAC has close to 4000 shots fired threw his .22 Avenger with zero issues , I have over 600 out of mine ,and climbing so things are looking good so far , I am not to worried about the cast parts on this gun , when i tear down my sumatra / mk 300 those guns are loaded with pot metal , and after all these years they still work ,and of coures the Avenger is light years ahead of those old Korean guns ...
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I might be mistaken but I think you'll find that Air Venturi does not manufacture the Avenger, they are the importer. Therefore, upgrades would have to be done at the manufacturer level.
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That 6lb. weight is what forced my finger to push the 'buy it now' button. I was already impressed by the features and price tag but, I really didn't need another airgun. Of course, we don't yet know the longevity of this gun. Yes, there are some concerns with the budget construction. But, so far, I have zero complaints and I'm no where near regretting my purchase... YMMV.
I reckon we'll just have to wait and see what things will be like a few thousand shots down the road.
Bill .... Steve AEAC has close to 4000 shots fired threw his .22 Avenger with zero issues , I have over 600 out of mine ,and climbing so things are looking good so far , I am not to worried about the cast parts on this gun , when i tear down my sumatra / mk 300 those guns are loaded with pot metal , and after all these years they still work ,and of coures the Avenger is light years ahead of those old Korean guns ...
Yessir, when I first heard of the cast receiver clams on this gun my thoughts instantly went to the Sumatra and many other highly regarded guns. I am still of the 'we'll just wait and see' mindset. But for today.... I'm lovin' it.
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I used my Avenger for opening day squirrel season yesterday and it did not fail me. The worse part about the hunt was the fact that I packed one Marauder magazine instead of both for the Avenger. I've got two more mags coming for mine that are supposed to be here tomorrow which will definitely make things much better. The light weight is the biggest plus of this gun no doubt 8)
Funny you mentioned about the magazines Wayne, among the Turkish guns (my two anyway) the magazines look almost identical But I cannot swap'em... :(
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Charlie they do look identical except the Mrod mags are a little thicker, it's not going to be a problem once I separate the two because I never really use my Mrod mags anymore. Yesterday I was out with the Benjiman Cayden again however I did manage to bring both mags for it this time.
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Charlie they do look identical except the Mrod mags are a little thicker, it's not going to be a problem once I separate the two because I never really use my Mrod mags anymore. Yesterday I was out with the Benjiman Cayden again however I did manage to bring both mags for it this time.
Yeah Wayne, I looked at mine and the Kral mags are significantly thicker (wider like they could take taller pellets) than the Akela. Hmmm...almost seems like they want us to buy "bespoke" mags for each gun.
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I did get my mags from RL Airgun Supply yesterday. They were $10.99 each plus tax & shipping, it came to about $32
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Hey Wayne, glad to see you are loving your Avenger. I got my gun from Randy at RL Airgun Supply. I love the way he does business. Reminds me of how old bankers did business? If you shook hands on a deal it was done. No need for contracts or lawyers. Your word meant more than a contract.
By the way, I still have some your pellets. It sort like the last chocolates in your favorate box. Saving them. The quality is top notch.
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Thanks Stephen !!! I still have some of your AVS slugs that fit the Liberty myself, very accurate from that gun. I've been patiently waiting for NOE to make some more of the 218-25-FN RG molds because I missed out on the first batch that he made. I'm hoping that they'll shoot good from my Liberty but being they're cast there's no option of a cup base on them.
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I’m almost through my 6th tin on my .22 (approaching 3k), no issues so far other than a slow leak upon delivery that a couple of drops of sil oil during fill seemed to fix. A drop of oil on the bolt probe before each session (20-200 pellets) and I’m even still on the og probe rings. Of course there’s the “avenger hot shot” if the reg has time to bleed some extra in, mine goes up about 200 psi and stays there whether it’s been 15 minutes or 3 days.
Mine is set at 1700/2.25 for JSB 18s at 880 when “out” and CPHPs at around 925 for plinking and practicing at home. Uses right around 25-30 psi per shot.
My first pcp so I have no comparison but love it!
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I am on my 3rd tin of .25 jsb 25.39 ,and everything is perfect on my Avenger so far ,..
I have the Avenger .22 ordered from Randy ,and have over 4000 CHPH pellets + beeman kodiaks , eun jin ,rws, jsb , super domes, and a bunch of others that i used in my korean guns over the years waiting for that Avenger .22 gun , so this should be interesting with the adjustable reg , I don't shoot the 22 's much ,but I think that is about to change .... ;D
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I have no desire to purchase the .22 myself, my Liberty fills that bill. The Avenger is a super bargain for what you get though.
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I have no desire to purchase the .22 myself, my Liberty fills that bill. The Avenger is a super bargain for what you get though.
Nor do I, I'm quite happy with my Utban.
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i also got my gun from randy super good guy to deal with i ant shot mine yet what do you guys think mine can with a 2700 psi in gun so far ant leaked any air reg set at 2700 best i can tell will it be ok to just run gun at that reg preusure just going to hunt with it
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i also got my gun from randy super good guy to deal with i ant shot mine yet what do you guys think mine can with a 2700 psi in gun so far ant leaked any air reg set at 2700 best i can tell will it be ok to just run gun at that reg preusure just going to hunt with it
Hey Fred, I'm gonna set up my own .22 Avenger (when I get it) to use the "Pro Tune" that is described in the below video, about 40 minutes in. He tells you how to set the regulator and even how many turns of the hammer spring. He also figured out two other tunes, the "Eco Tune" (max shot count at a still pretty good power level) and the "Power Tune" for all out power but less total shots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D_Zml_2wd4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D_Zml_2wd4)
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i also got my gun from randy super good guy to deal with i ant shot mine yet what do you guys think mine can with a 2700 psi in gun so far ant leaked any air reg set at 2700 best i can tell will it be ok to just run gun at that reg preusure just going to hunt with it
Fred mine was set to 2900psi when I got it and there's no way that I could have gotten this many shots with the reg set that high, my hammer is turned all the way back too.
(https://i.imgur.com/haM05Cj.jpg)
They're so darned easy to adjust and it was basically a no brainer for me 8)
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i also got my gun from randy super good guy to deal with i ant shot mine yet what do you guys think mine can with a 2700 psi in gun so far ant leaked any air reg set at 2700 best i can tell will it be ok to just run gun at that reg preusure just going to hunt with it
Fred mine was set to 2900psi when I got it and there's no way that I could have gotten this many shots with the reg set that high, my hammer is turned all the way back too.
(https://i.imgur.com/haM05Cj.jpg)
They're so darned easy to adjust and it was basically a no brainer for me 8)
Wayne ... my hammer is turned all the way out also , reg's at 2200 psi 880 fps 25.39 , where did you set your reg at ?
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Dan the regulator on mine is set for 1.9K, I check with the gauge that's on my fill adapter as well and it's pretty close to what the regulator gauge reads on the gun.
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Dan the regulator on mine is set for 1.9K, I check with the gauge that's on my fill adapter as well and it's pretty close to what the regulator gauge reads on the gun.
Sounds Good ... about the same as the .25 gauntlet , I need to go below reg pressure ,and double check it with my fill gauge to see if the gun gauge matches also ...
On the last turn going all the way out on the hammer spring , I lost about 5 fps down to 880 fps ,so I left it there . I will have to try lowering the reg pressure ,and see what kind of reaction I get ...
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wanyne thanks you and other guys for the replys i got jsbs in 25 grain and 33 and some hades and some poly mags i not shot this rifle yet but i am like you guys 2700 psi pretty hi i know over powering pellets makes group get big i never adjusted the reg let me see if i got this right bleed all the air out of gun then turn reg bolt clock wise then re fill and chack guage i wateing on some bursk disk my yong hen blowed a disk out other day
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Fred the way I did it was like the manual said, first bleed the gun with the bleed screw, after completely empty tighten it back up then turn the regulator screw clockwise til it snug, fill the gun and then turn up the reg pressure back up in slight increments until you're happy with where it's at.
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Hey Wayne, I still have some of your custom cast pellets that I will be shooting through the Avenger. But first I have to finish the Walnut Stock. 3 days so far and the inletting is complete. Once I have a nice stock I will stock for accuracy.
All the best!
Stephen
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Stephen I've no doubt that stock will look really nice once you're done with it, I can't remember if I sent you the 26 grain or the 34.5 grain ones, either one works good in mine. I tried the 34.5 grain when I first got mine and they were super accurate in the woods but didn't chronograph them. That's when it was set for 2900psi. That's to high IMO, I think 2500psi would be more like it and maybe even less.
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The more I read these avenger threads, the more I want one! Are they still out of stock everywhere?
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The more I read these avenger threads, the more I want one! Are they still out of stock everywhere?
Yes still out of stock ... ::) I am waiting for my .22 from RL air gun supply ,,, the .25 is so good I had to get on Randys waiting list at RL
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Here's a five shot group that I did with mine a couple of days ago at 50 yds. I was using my cast 26 grain meplat NOE pellets.
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The more I read these avenger threads, the more I want one! Are they still out of stock everywhere?
There were a few still showing up online last week. You did not say which caliber had your preference.
New England airguns still had an avenger in .177 available earlier today.
I'm sure there are still a few hidden on the net available for purchase.
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The more I read these avenger threads, the more I want one! Are they still out of stock everywhere?
There were a few still showing up online last week. You did not say which caliber had your preference.
New England airguns still had an avenger in .177 available earlier today.
I'm sure there are still a few hidden on the net available for purchase.
Ronan,
Thanks for the heads up. I have the 22 but want the 177 also. I almost pulled the trigger on this morning after reading your reply but not sure. Have you or anyone had any experience with NE Airguns. They want 44bucks for shipping, plus not sure on the return policy. Also if I have an issue looks like I will need to pay for the return shipping??? Not sure if I should get on a waiting list from another company I'm used to or get from NE Airguns :-\
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The more I read these avenger threads, the more I want one! Are they still out of stock everywhere?
There were a few still showing up online last week. You did not say which caliber had your preference.
New England airguns still had an avenger in .177 available earlier today.
I'm sure there are still a few hidden on the net available for purchase.
Ronan,
Thanks for the heads up. I have the 22 but want the 177 also. I almost pulled the trigger on this morning after reading your reply but not sure. Have you or anyone had any experience with NE Airguns. They want 44bucks for shipping, plus not sure on the return policy. Also if I have an issue looks like I will need to pay for the return shipping??? Not sure if I should get on a waiting list from another company I'm used to or get from NE Airguns :-\
I sadly have as of yet zero experience in that area (returns, warranty...) as the first and only air rifle I bought new online is on its way to me right now. Additional shipping charges is a consideration to butt against the out-of-stock / pre-order alternative.
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Well folks it looks as though Nova Vista didn't listen to people on the forums about they're faulty poppets because I went to mount a brand new scope on my Avenger and it was empty. It's definitely leaking through the poppet too. I wonder if duy is working on a replacement poppet for them yet ??? What a rotten thing and Air Venturi should have addressed to dilemma long before the prototypes (if any) arrived. Well if and when duy makes a poppet for the guns I'll definitely be doing some mods when I take the gun apart because I sure the heck don't feel like playing the shipping game with this gun.
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I just re-watched Stephen's video about his 25 cal Avenger and he said the poppets are the exact same as the ones that came in the Liberty, I lucked out because I bought two of them from duy, I still haven't used the spare yet so that will be going into this gun soon but I'll be taking it to the woods today and figure I might as well use up the pressure that's in it which I charged to 4K for sighting in with my new scope for it and get a little hunting in with it.
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That is a bummer for sure, my original Liberty had the poppet let go this spring I have the stuff to make a new poppet, just have not had much time to tinker, I guess that is what the dead of winter is for in my case.
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I got about a year out of my first LIberty poppet, tried to repair the one I had with Delrin with limited success, ended up just buying a replacement from Pyramyd air, it's still working for now but I know it will fail any time. The one I bought was for the Aspen but it's the same poppet.
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I'm looking at the Avenger as well. So how hard is it to replace a poppet since I've never owned a pcp gun before, and do they go out often?
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A lot depends on what they are made of and the pressures they see, throat size etc. The one in my Marauder lasted about four years before needing to be replaced, my Liberty about a year. How hard it is to change differs with each rifle, consider the difference in working on one car compared to another, airguns much the same.
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I ended up taking mine out in the morning to sight it in, I did get it really close and started heading for where I was thinking about hunting, about the time I got there I heard a hissing sound, sure enough, after sighting it in it started leaking really fast, I shot it several more times, it slowed down but by this time it was below the reg setting so I headed home, got the Liberty, headed back out there and by that time it was getting late for the good squirrel hunting and I didn't really see much but a couple of far off red squirrels. I did get it sighted in with the 23 grain magnum hunters for the next time out, it seems to like them a lot.
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I just re-watched Stephen's video about his 25 cal Avenger and he said the poppets are the exact same as the ones that came in the Liberty, I lucked out because I bought two of them from duy, I still haven't used the spare yet so that will be going into this gun soon but I'll be taking it to the woods today and figure I might as well use up the pressure that's in it which I charged to 4K for sighting in with my new scope for it and get a little hunting in with it.
Wayne who is duy ? i would like to get a spare 1 of those for sure ,or maybe 2 since I have a .22 coming in also ...
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Well folks it looks as though Nova Vista didn't listen to people on the forums about they're faulty poppets because I went to mount a brand new scope on my Avenger and it was empty. It's definitely leaking through the poppet too. I wonder if duy is working on a replacement poppet for them yet ??? What a rotten thing and Air Venturi should have addressed to dilemma long before the prototypes (if any) arrived. Well if and when duy makes a poppet for the guns I'll definitely be doing some mods when I take the gun apart because I sure the heck don't feel like playing the shipping game with this gun.
It baffles me when a company knows of a problem with their product, and carries it over into a new design/production. How much more could it have possibly cost them to design and make a reliable poppet?
A friend of mine bought a Liberty (his 1st PCP), and I told him that if it starts leaking, let me know and I'll fix it. Like many folks buying an airgun, he knows nothing about its inner workings and would probably just toss it if something went wrong post-warrantee.
Reminds me of the Remington 700 trigger fiasco. A few cents per rifle would have avoided very expensive problems and bad press for the company.
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i did like you said wayne degased clock wise on reg refilled then 1/4 at a time first 1/4 was around 1000 psi the next 1/4 was about 1600 i ant got it set up yet i got 2 mail pellets i use in this rifle preadtor poly mags i think 25 grain and hades i have not checked hammer spring to see where its at does a person trun clock wise till stoped then back its off 2 full turnes what do you guys sugest rreg presure to be set to and how many tunres on hammer spring to shoot the to weightes pellets i just listed
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i did like you said wayne degased clock wise on reg refilled then 1/4 at a time first 1/4 was around 1000 psi the next 1/4 was about 1600 i ant got it set up yet i got 2 mail pellets i use in this rifle preadtor poly mags i think 25 grain and hades i have not checked hammer spring to see where its at does a person trun clock wise till stoped then back its off 2 full turnes what do you guys sugest rreg presure to be set to and how many tunres on hammer spring to shoot the to weightes pellets i just listed
Fred I have my hammer backed all the way out myself.
I tore my Avenger down to where I could remove the block and poppet, there was a tiny brass shaving right on the sealing surface of the poppet, other than that the poppet look good so I assembled it with the original poppet, right now I've got about 2800psi in it and I'm going to top it off and head for the woods with it this morning. The nice thing is that I've already got the scope dialed in pretty good and hopefully all works out well. This time around with it I'll probably get plenty of shots after I fill it to about 3900psi, I'd fill it further but the tank doesn't have more than 3900psi. I did dry fire it a bunch of times to make sure it's not going to leak again and time will tell ???
I know this poppet will fail eventually though because it is like the Liberty which also fails after time, hopefully it will hold up for a good amount of time though.
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That's good news Wayne.... kinda.. lol
I suppose I should just by a poppet for the future but to me, that sounds like I'm investing in failure... :o
Hopefully the guns will continue to run good.
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Wayne,
Hopefully it was only the particle on the valve seat.
Like many, I was disappointed when I saw Stephen's video, that the Avenger has the same poppet as the Liberty. I did notice that the Avenger's valve seat looked to be wider, which should prolong the soft material from embedding and having the metal can resting on the surface, causing leaks. I think they will eventually still leak, but will be longer than a similar pressurized Liberty.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but... the pressure on the poppet depends on the regulator pressure setting. So, if I set my reg at 2300psi then the pressure on the poppet is only 2300psi, not the 4k+ I have filled the gun to.
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Correct except when you fill the tank the pressure will be higher than the regulator set pressure if it's anything like the liberty.. Nova may have decided to go with a different material inside the can that's a little harder than the material in the libertys poppet.
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I believe Steve AEAC has over 4000 shots out of his Avenger , others have reported over 2000 shots so far with no issues, so wider valve seat plus lower reg pressure seems to be working pretty good so far ... a new poppet made out of peak would be great ...
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Correct except when you fill the tank the pressure will be higher than the regulator set pressure if it's anything like the liberty.. Nova may have decided to go with a different material inside the can that's a little harder than the material in the libertys poppet.
My point is.... no matter how much you fill the gun to, the poppet will only ever have as much pressure on it as the regulator is set to.
Example; if the regulator is set to 2300 psi then the poppet will never have more than 2300 psi against it.
IE; a regulated gun will never have as much pressure on the poppet and a non regulated gun.
Never owned a Liberty... does it have a regulator in it? If the answer is no then the pressure on the poppet in a Liberty is much greater that on an Avenger.
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They both have a regulator but when filling the liberty the pressure will raise above the set point. If Nova fixed this problem with the reg in the avanger then no,it won't go above the set point. The main way to know for sure is to check the gauge for the regulator set point. I don't have a avenger so I can't say for sure.
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That's good news Wayne.... kinda.. lol
I suppose I should just by a poppet for the future but to me, that sounds like I'm investing in failure... :o
Hopefully the guns will continue to run good.
+1 8) 8) 8)
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They both have a regulator but when filling the liberty the pressure will raise above the set point. If Nova fixed this problem with the reg in the avanger then no,it won't go above the set point. The main way to know for sure is to check the gauge for the regulator set point. I don't have a avenger so I can't say for sure.
I know for sure that the reg on my Avenger stops at the set point when filling. I can't speak about the liberty, never owned one.
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They both have a regulator but when filling the liberty the pressure will raise above the set point. If Nova fixed this problem with the reg in the avanger then no,it won't go above the set point. The main way to know for sure is to check the gauge for the regulator set point. I don't have a avenger so I can't say for sure.
I know for sure that the reg on my Avenger stops at the set point when filling. I can't speak about the liberty, never owned one.
+1 on mine
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My poppet didn't look near as bad as the one that came out of my Liberty. So far the sealing surface on the material they use hasn't gone real deep either. Bill I have the reg gauge saying 1900psi but I think in reality it's doing closer to 2100psi, that's one good thing about keeping the pressure down is it won't have the pressures like a non regulated gun. I took it out for a little plinking and hunting today. I got a nice Fox squirrel with a head shot while I was at it. I've got a bunch of different tweezers for watch repair and that's what I picked out the brass shaving with. I have a pair of Optivisor's that I use a lot for stuff like that.
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Wonder where the shaving came from. Being brass maybe just swarf from machining.
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My poppet didn't look near as bad as the one that came out of my Liberty. So far the sealing surface on the material they use hasn't gone real deep either. Bill I have the reg gauge saying 1900psi but I think in reality it's doing closer to 2100psi, that's one good thing about keeping the pressure down is it won't have the pressures like a non regulated gun. I took it out for a little plinking and hunting today. I got a nice Fox squirrel with a head shot while I was at it. I've got a bunch of different tweezers for watch repair and that's what I picked out the brass shaving with. I have a pair of Optivisor's that I use a lot for stuff like that.
Well double dang with sugar on top ! ;D .... looks like things are holding up poppet wise with what they used , and how they did it ... good thing it was just a piece of brass machine shaving, and not a design problem ... so now I am back to " I cant wait for the .22 Avenger to get here " I called Randy RL and the next batch he is getting should be here pretty fast ! ;D ;D
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Yep.... took some ammo away from the haters..... :o
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ok i am not up to par on the hammer spring seting i am a green horn on tuning in one video he turned allen wrench clock wise tile it stoped did not over tight then he backed it off 2 full rowtations do i just go counter clock wise till it stops ??????????
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Wonder where the shaving came from. Being brass maybe just swarf from machining.
I figure it came from the brass part the the valve stem rides in, you know how the Chinese aren't too concerned about quality control and more than likely it was never cleaned good after the machining. I remember the DAR's having brass shavings all around their regulator so maybe it's possible it came from the regulator ???
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ok i am not up to par on the hammer spring seting i am a green horn on tuning in one video he turned allen wrench clock wise tile it stoped did not over tight then he backed it off 2 full rowtations do i just go counter clock wise till it stops ??????????
Yes exactly.
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I just went to their website and they're supposed to have them in stock right now. They really are great guns but I've found that they have the typical faults like all the Chinese airguns do, they are terrible on quality control as usual. R & L has them right now with free shipping in all three calibers from what I see.
https://www.rlairgunsupply.com/Air-Venturi-Avenger-Regulated-PCP-Air-Rifle_p_265.html (https://www.rlairgunsupply.com/Air-Venturi-Avenger-Regulated-PCP-Air-Rifle_p_265.html)
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I just went to their website and they're supposed to have them in stock right now. They really are great guns but I've found that they have the typical faults like all the Chinese airguns do, they are terrible on quality control as usual. R & L has them right now with free shipping in all three calibers from what I see.
https://www.rlairgunsupply.com/Air-Venturi-Avenger-Regulated-PCP-Air-Rifle_p_265.html (https://www.rlairgunsupply.com/Air-Venturi-Avenger-Regulated-PCP-Air-Rifle_p_265.html)
Oh wow ! you are right Randy called ,and left me a message that my .22 is in , I will have to load my secret account and get him some $$ early in the morning ... ;D ;D
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Dan the thing that I really like about Randy is he's a straight shooter when it comes to his airgun business, when a person orders something from him he ships it period. Ain't no him haw hee hawing around like other fake news dealers. There's other dealers like Flying Dragon Airguns, Mike Melick is about as good a dealer as there is plus he will tune to your spec's after you have a talk on the phone with him. He even has answered his phone for me before before business hours and the first thing I said was sorry for bothering you before business hours, his reply was something like not a problem, that he was in full speed forward anyway, he's a very busy man.
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I agree, lots of dealers could take a lesson from these guys. Rick at Precision Pellet is another good guy to deal with.
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I recently put the newer Centerpoint 3-12X x44MM with the 30mm tube and boy is that a nice scope, I never realized that the newer Centerpoint scopes were so nice, very clear optics with a crystal clear etched glass retical. It was shipped here from an Ebay dealer and cost me a total of 90 bucks, they're a bargain scope for a bargain gun that really go together nicely. I even check the distances on the side parallax and of all the scopes that I have this one is the very closest, seems like all my UTG's are way off, my BSA's not so much but the Centerpoint is the closest of them all, a very nice scope and now I see what Rehm (Shooter 1721) is talking about.
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I just ordered the .25 Avenger Air Venturi Avenger from RL Airgun Supply. Randy's website showed he still had it in stock. Anyone know if he does indeed have it in stock and if yes, the approximate shipping times?
I left phone messages today but no reply yet. I am wondering if others read this post and he is swamped with new orders...
Soar
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I considered getting an avenger but I'm worried about the poppet and not knowing how to replace it.
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I talked to Randy today at RL ...I ordered payed for the .22 that I was on his waiting list for , plus some extra mags , and I ask him how many Avengers he had left out of 42 he said he just had a couple or so left as of today at around 11 am ..... Randy ships out pretty fast my last purchase from him was the .25 Avenger , and it took about 4-5 days from CO to WA ....
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I just checked Randy's site again and it appears that he's still got all three calibers yet, these guns really are a bargain no doubt. I'll be out in the morning with mine for sure.
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I recently put the newer Centerpoint 3-12X x44MM with the 30mm tube and boy is that a nice scope, I never realized that the newer Centerpoint scopes were so nice, very clear optics with a crystal clear etched glass retical. It was shipped here from an Ebay dealer and cost me a total of 90 bucks, they're a bargain scope for a bargain gun that really go together nicely. I even check the distances on the side parallax and of all the scopes that I have this one is the very closest, seems like all my UTG's are way off, my BSA's not so much but the Centerpoint is the closest of them all, a very nice scope and now I see what Rehm (Shooter 1721) is talking about.
Wayne, is this the scope? https://www.walmart.com/ip/CenterPoint-3-12x44mm-Rifle-Scope-30mm-tube-with-Precision-Lock-Turrets-Black-LR312SFT2/578419421 (https://www.walmart.com/ip/CenterPoint-3-12x44mm-Rifle-Scope-30mm-tube-with-Precision-Lock-Turrets-Black-LR312SFT2/578419421)
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Ordered a .22 Avenger & four extra mags from Randy @ RL Airguns this morning and he doesn't mess around - UPS is supposed to deliver it this Saturday! What do you guys recommend new owners check before shooting - I thought I had read something about some screws weren't tight or something like that?
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Do not tighten the set screws that hold the barrel band in place. Dan H recommended putting shims between the set screws and the shroud / upper air tube after smoothing the ends of the set screws. Keeps them from damaging the air tube.
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The CP scope 3x12x44 is the 1 from walmart I bought that is on my Avenger .25 with locking turrets ... its just like Rick shooter 1721 said its the perfect scope for the Avenger , and I would say a lot of other guns ,and for the money it can't be beat .... shims for the barrel band I made out of old JSB .25 tin ....the metal off those tins is the perfect thickness bend to match the air tube loosen the barrel band up , don't worry about reshaping the ends of the screws they have a wedge pointed shape that the sides of that point will wedge against the shims instead of the shroud / air tube ...
Also make sure the pic rail hex screws are tight plus those barrel band screws so your POI does not shift all over the place , when I first started shooting my Avenger I figured out that those screws were loose after having POI changing ... but just get um snug don't over torque them ...
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I recently put the newer Centerpoint 3-12X x44MM with the 30mm tube and boy is that a nice scope, I never realized that the newer Centerpoint scopes were so nice, very clear optics with a crystal clear etched glass retical. It was shipped here from an Ebay dealer and cost me a total of 90 bucks, they're a bargain scope for a bargain gun that really go together nicely. I even check the distances on the side parallax and of all the scopes that I have this one is the very closest, seems like all my UTG's are way off, my BSA's not so much but the Centerpoint is the closest of them all, a very nice scope and now I see what Rehm (Shooter 1721) is talking about.
Wayne, is this the scope? https://www.walmart.com/ip/CenterPoint-3-12x44mm-Rifle-Scope-30mm-tube-with-Precision-Lock-Turrets-Black-LR312SFT2/578419421 (https://www.walmart.com/ip/CenterPoint-3-12x44mm-Rifle-Scope-30mm-tube-with-Precision-Lock-Turrets-Black-LR312SFT2/578419421)
Yes it's what I bought, I really like it too. I never really thought much of the Centerpoint scopes, I seen where Rick Rehm spoke highly of them is really what convinced me they were a good scope and he wasn't wrong.
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I recently put the newer Centerpoint 3-12X x44MM with the 30mm tube and boy is that a nice scope, I never realized that the newer Centerpoint scopes were so nice, very clear optics with a crystal clear etched glass retical. It was shipped here from an Ebay dealer and cost me a total of 90 bucks, they're a bargain scope for a bargain gun that really go together nicely. I even check the distances on the side parallax and of all the scopes that I have this one is the very closest, seems like all my UTG's are way off, my BSA's not so much but the Centerpoint is the closest of them all, a very nice scope and now I see what Rehm (Shooter 1721) is talking about.
Wayne, is this the scope? https://www.walmart.com/ip/CenterPoint-3-12x44mm-Rifle-Scope-30mm-tube-with-Precision-Lock-Turrets-Black-LR312SFT2/578419421 (https://www.walmart.com/ip/CenterPoint-3-12x44mm-Rifle-Scope-30mm-tube-with-Precision-Lock-Turrets-Black-LR312SFT2/578419421)
Yes it's what I bought, I really like it too. I never really thought much of the Centerpoint scopes, I seen where Rick Rehm spoke highly of them is really what convinced me they were a good scope and he wasn't wrong.
Thanks - I'd grab one and give it a try but I have a BSA 4-14X44 FFP with 30mm tube coming off my Fortitude & going on the Avenger. It's a real nice clear scope for the $120 I paid on closeout @ Midway USA - wish the turrets locked, though.
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David I have BSA tactical scopes on my Airmax Dominator and my Benjamin Cayden both. They're both excellent scopes but I honestly think that this new CP has clearer glass and it gathers light really good.
It would be a tossup between the two, I can say that the CP parallax is much closer to what it's marked to be than the BSA's though. The Centerpoint also focus's much closer than the BSA's too.
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You can get the CP directly from Crosman website with 25% discount using AGNATION coupon and free shipping on Fridays!
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Its cheaper to buy the scope off walmart on line ,or off their shelf 104 bucks , or ebay than crosman at 145.99 even with discount ,and free shipping ... another thing I noticed about this scope it has a wider field of view than other scopes I have , The Avenger with this scope is now the best deal going loaded with all the feature of both the gun ,and scope ...
https://www.crosman.com/optics/scopes/3-12x44-mm-plt-riflescope (https://www.crosman.com/optics/scopes/3-12x44-mm-plt-riflescope)
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Gentlemen, I have been following this thread closely!
I spoke with Randy and immediately ordered a new .25 Avenger yesterday. He assured me it would arrive by Monday. Wow, can't beat that! He is a great guy to talk to and has a wealth of experience and knowledge.
I have a question...
Some years ago, I purchased a shipload of the BSA scopes when Midway had that crazy sale. If I remember correctly, they dropped the price to $29.99 at one point and that is why I purchased so many of them.
I still have a bunch of them new in the box and to be honest with you, I have never even tried them. Simply got way to busy.
I purchased two types of models:
BSA TMD 624 x 44 x 30SP
BSA TMD 312 x 44 x 30SP
Presently, I have been using 4 x 16 x 40 scopes on my Marauder and Flash Pup. Each scope [UTG and CP] have worked perfect for my needs [turkeys, possums, skunks]. Most shots are between 30 and 60 yards.
So here is my question: Would the Center Point 3 x 12 x44 be a better scope from the Avenger or would I be ok with one of the BSA scopes?
Last question: I recently purchased a Ruger .243 new and on sale from Big 5. Would the BSA TMD 624 x 44 x 30SP work on the .243 Ruger?
Thank you,
Soar
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I got mine on ebay for 86bucks and tax, came out to $90 shipped.
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Gentlemen, I have been following this thread closely!
I spoke with Randy and immediately ordered a new .25 Avenger yesterday. He assured me it would arrive by Monday. Wow, can't beat that! He is a great guy to talk to and has a wealth of experience and knowledge.
I have a question...
Some years ago, I purchased a shipload of the BSA scopes when Midway had that crazy sale. If I remember correctly, they dropped the price to $29.99 at one point and that is why I purchased so many of them.
I still have a bunch of them new in the box and to be honest with you, I have never even tried them. Simply got way to busy.
I purchased two types of models:
BSA TMD 624 x 44 x 30SP
BSA TMD 312 x 44 x 30SP
Presently, I have been using 4 x 16 x 40 scopes on my Marauder and Flash Pup. Each scope [UTG and CP] have worked perfect for my needs [turkeys, possums, skunks]. Most shots are between 30 and 60 yards.
So here is my question: Would the Center Point 3 x 12 x44 be a better scope from the Avenger or would I be ok with one of the BSA scopes?
Last question: I recently purchased a Ruger .243 new and on sale from Big 5. Would the BSA TMD 624 x 44 x 30SP work on the .243 Ruger?
Thank you,
Soar
I am sure you could use the bsa on both guns if you like .... The CP has been tested with 300 mag guns , and larger ,and had no problem holding zero ...
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Ordered a .22 Avenger & four extra mags from Randy @ RL Airguns this morning and he doesn't mess around - UPS is supposed to deliver it this Saturday! What do you guys recommend new owners check before shooting - I thought I had read something about some screws weren't tight or something like that?
Well, the good news is UPS got my rifle to me this afternoon and it had 2600lbs of air so if it's leaking it can't be a lot depending on how much it left the Chinese factory with. The not-so-good news is I went to check the tiny screws holding the picatinny scope-mounting rails on and the two on the forward section are too short to engage the threads in the top of the breech block :(. Heading to Ace Hardware now to see if I can find slightly longer ones but don't know what thread pitch/size to look for so hope I can match the existing ones up.
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I wonder why they didn't have long enough screws for that pic rail ? , I was able to tighten all of mine up , and I have not had the pic rail screws all the way out to see if they are all the same length , they really need to get their assembly guys to pay attention, and get the hex screws torqued correctly up, they would have caught this wrong pic screws off quickly if they were torqueing the screws down correctly , stupid little things like this are very avoidable ... ::)
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My first thought was were the screws too short or did they strip the threads. Chinese gun = metric threads so don't buy SAE.
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The picatinny screws are M3 pitch. Ace had some twice as long which are a little too long so I carefully ground/filed off a 16th or so at a time and test fit until I got them snugged tight & flush. Mounted up a BSA 4-14X44mm FFP scope and can't wait to shoot it!
Regulator came set at around 2400psi but I don't have a Compressor yet so am initially only going to be filling to 3000-3200psi. Saw Hard Air Magazine did a Hand Pump Power Tune (http://"https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/air-venturi-avenger-tune-overview-and-hand-pump-power-tune/") that yielded about 74 shots @ 23.92 Ft/Lbs so am going to bleed it down tomorrow and try that tune for now.
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wow, mine were all there and tight but it was "old stock" not from this newest shipment :(
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The picatinny screws are M3 pitch. Ace had some twice as long which are a little too long so I carefully ground/filed off a 16th or so at a time and test fit until I got them snugged tight & flush. Mounted up a BSA 4-14X44mm FFP scope and can't wait to shoot it!
Regulator came set at around 2400psi but I don't have a Compressor yet so am initially only going to be filling to 3000-3200psi. Saw Hard Air Magazine did a Hand Pump Power Tune (http://"https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/air-venturi-avenger-tune-overview-and-hand-pump-power-tune/") that yielded about 74 shots @ 23.92 Ft/Lbs so am going to bleed it down tomorrow and try that tune for now.
David glad you got it figured out ,and were able to fix it , lets hope the manufacture see's this thread and corrects QC on the assembly line ...
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When I disassembled mine down to the block that holds the valve poppet I didn't find anything stripped out. Reassembling went really good as well. After typing that first sentence I went into my gun room and checked the pressure of my Avenger and it's right where I left it. I have to say that removing the metal shard from the poppet face took care of the leak that I had. I've had it out twice since fixing and it looks very promising.
I believe that its a good idea to tear down any China built gun when you first get it because doing so will help with all the haphazard assembly flaws that are so common in most all China built guns, they don't care about quality evidently and they only thing they're concerned about it seems is selling selling and more selling.
Personally I'm a glutton for punishment buying all these China guns that I do and actually the Avenger was the first one in a while that I didn't start out with a disassembly prior to shooting, if I bought another one I would. It would really be cool if you could buy the returned guns for a hundred bucks like the ATI deal with Liberty's and Freedom's but doubtful that'll happen with the Air Venturi products. That's only if they can't buy parts individually for them from China like they say they can . . . . time will tell and hopefully us little guys with be able to buy spare parts if we need them.
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When I came back from the woods yesterday after getting a fox squirrel with my Sentry 705-9 there was a Fedex envelope waiting that contained a DonnyFL adapter I purchased that I'll be using on both my Liberty and Avenger. I've tried it on both and all I can say is WOW!!! I'll be in stealth mode with either gun when I'm in the woods now 8)
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Awesome, Wayne. Good to see that big custom Rocker work its magic.
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Wayne, when you had the Avenger apart was the poppet and material the same as on our Liberty's, or was it different. I'm still considering one of these in 25cal in the future but waiting to see if people begin having poppet issues.
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Tom it looked like the same material as what the Liberty's had on them. I honestly think the .25 Avenger is quieter than the .22 Liberty with the LDC on it, probably because the LDC is bored out closer in size. I can always try the one from my Prod on the Liberty, it's closer to .22 but won't work on the Avenger
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Thanks Wayne, that's what I thought, I actually went back and watched Stevens tear down video again and he emphasized the same thing. My two Liberty poppets have lasted about a year each, will observe to see if the Avenger poppets begin to fail around that time also.
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I'm looking forward to Stephen's next video about the stock he's making for his, his video's are always really good!
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Hey Wayne, Just finished the stock yesterday. Here are some photos
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Nice.... how much weight did it add to the gun?
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7lb 14oz Total
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Wow !!! That stock turned out fantastic Stephen, heck that's not that heavy either in my opinion. My favorite side is the side you have facing up on the scale, I really like how the grain of the wood is.
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Stock looks AMAZING ! ;D bench shooting will be fun ,and more accurate/stable with that stock at the longer distances … Stephen I know that stock took a lot of work , congrats on the out come its AWESOME ! LOOKING ! … ;D
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Holy shizite that looks awesome!
Nice freaking job Stephen!
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=177135.0;attach=333558;image)
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Thank you Wayne, Dan and Haji
Fun Project and not that hard too do. The Inletting is easier than the Liberty since the channel is a constant 1.03" in width.
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This is a gorgeous stock you made. It would have looked gorgeous even without such a gorgeous wood: those lines are just beautiful in and by themselves.
Did I say gorgeous?
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Either this gun is not as good as many people say or I must have gotten a total lemon .25 Air Venturi Avenger air rifle. So disappointed.
Here is my experience so far:
1. Every scope mounted must have elevation knob turned nearly 100% up and even then, some scopes will not be able to be adjusted enough without a shim or major mod.
2. Much, much louder than a .25 Marauder or .25 Flashpup.
3. Significantly less accurate than .25 Marauder or .25 Flashpup.
4. I am only obtaining 12-16 shots before I need to reload with air [drops from 3000 to 2200 with a measly 12-16 shots]. Marauder gets 20-30 shots, Flashpup gets 30-40 and both are stock, without any mods...
5. It arrived with a huge gap between the barrel and the receiver/breech box.
6. Inserting and removing the magazine is challenging due to super tight fit.
7. Many allen screws were loose upon arrival.
For a brand new gun, I am unhappy with it.
Both my Marauder [5 years ago] and Flashpup [2 years ago] arrived perfect and shoot single shot holes easily up to 50 yards even to this day without any mods or adjustments].
Some of the things I like about the new .25 Air Venturi Avenger air rifle:
Cocking mechanism is super, super nice. Super easy!
Significantly lighter than other air rifles.
I am seriously considering returning this lemon....
Let me know if anyone has any recommendations...
Thanks,
Up, up, and away!
Soar
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You purchased from R&L ? Contact Randy and return it. Ask for a replacement or go another direction.
I would hate to see anyone not enjoy this gun as much as I do.
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Either this gun is not as good as many people say or I must have gotten a total lemon .25 Air Venturi Avenger air rifle. So disappointed.
Here is my experience so far:
1. Every scope mounted must have elevation knob turned nearly 100% up and even then, some scopes will not be able to be adjusted enough without a shim or major mod.
2. Much, much louder than a .25 Marauder or .25 Flashpup.
3. Significantly less accurate than .25 Marauder or .25 Flashpup.
4. I am only obtaining 12-16 shots before I need to reload with air [drops from 3000 to 2200 with a measly 12-16 shots]. Marauder gets 20-30 shots, Flashpup gets 30-40 and both are stock, without any mods...
5. It arrived with a huge gap between the barrel and the receiver/breech box.
6. Inserting and removing the magazine is challenging due to super tight fit.
7. Many allen screws were loose upon arrival.
For a brand new gun, I am unhappy with it.
Both my Marauder [5 years ago] and Flashpup [2 years ago] arrived perfect and shoot single shot holes easily up to 50 yards even to this day without any mods or adjustments].
Some of the things I like about the new .25 Air Venturi Avenger air rifle:
Cocking mechanism is super, super nice. Super easy!
Significantly lighter than other air rifles.
I am seriously considering returning this lemon....
Let me know if anyone has any recommendations...
Thanks,
Up, up, and away!
Soar
Could you kindly share exactly how your gun is set up? Meaning what is its regulator pressure and number of hammer spring turns set at? Truly curious, especially since your cocking is, "...super, super nice. Super easy!
Significantly lighter than other air rifles."
To me this at least indicates low tension on the hammer spring.
Also you mention that it, "...drops from 3000 to 2200 with a measly 12-16 shots...", so do you mean you are only charging it to 3000 psi? Because the full charge is actually 4351 psi...
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Either this gun is not as good as many people say or I must have gotten a total lemon .25 Air Venturi Avenger air rifle. So disappointed.
Here is my experience so far:
1. Every scope mounted must have elevation knob turned nearly 100% up and even then, some scopes will not be able to be adjusted enough without a shim or major mod.
2. Much, much louder than a .25 Marauder or .25 Flashpup.
3. Significantly less accurate than .25 Marauder or .25 Flashpup.
4. I am only obtaining 12-16 shots before I need to reload with air [drops from 3000 to 2200 with a measly 12-16 shots]. Marauder gets 20-30 shots, Flashpup gets 30-40 and both are stock, without any mods...
5. It arrived with a huge gap between the barrel and the receiver/breech box.
6. Inserting and removing the magazine is challenging due to super tight fit.
7. Many allen screws were loose upon arrival.
For a brand new gun, I am unhappy with it.
Both my Marauder [5 years ago] and Flashpup [2 years ago] arrived perfect and shoot single shot holes easily up to 50 yards even to this day without any mods or adjustments].
Some of the things I like about the new .25 Air Venturi Avenger air rifle:
Cocking mechanism is super, super nice. Super easy!
Significantly lighter than other air rifles.
I am seriously considering returning this lemon....
Let me know if anyone has any recommendations...
Thanks,
Up, up, and away!
Soar
Could you kindly share exactly how your gun is set up? Meaning what is its regulator pressure and number of hammer spring turns set at? Truly curious, especially since your cocking is, "...super, super nice. Super easy!
Significantly lighter than other air rifles."
To me this at least indicates low tension on the hammer spring.
Also you mention that it, "...drops from 3000 to 2200 with a measly 12-16 shots...", so do you mean you are only charging it to 3000 psi? Because the full charge is actually 4351 psi...
Mr. Bulk,
So sorry for such a long delay in my reply! I apologize as I just now found your message.
If I remember correctly, I installed a different scope and the Avenger has worked perfectly ever since then.
I never tuned or adjusted any settings at all on my Avenger simply because it has worked perfectly for over a one year period.
Yes, I can only charge the Avenger to 3000 PSI because that is all my SCUBA tanks hold.
Finally, I purchased this Avenger over one year ago and was shocked to see so many negative posts about it. My Avenger has worked perfectly [I often shoot it on a daily basis] ever since I mounted a new scope.
I would like to purchase the new Avenger Bullpup, but it is double the price I paid for the Avenger [$400 vs. $199].
Hope this helps!
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Just picked up my second .22 Avenger from Baker Airguns and love the guns thus far. I have one set up for the JSB 18.13 gr pellets at 35.88 fpe and the second one set up to shoot the JSB 25.39 pellets at 40.38 fpe. Both guns are very accurate to shoot. I really like the tune ability of the guns as well as the light weight and accuracy.
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The Avenger is designed and manufactured by Nova Vista (a Chinese company) and sold under the Air Venturi brand (owned by Pyramid Air).
So, Air Venturi as a distributor does not really set any bars for anything other than selling.
Before Air Venturi there was Nova Liberty almost identical to the Avenger, with some minor differences related to adjustability.
I have 4 Nova Liberty and 2 Avengers and I like the Nova Liberty at least as much and likely more than the Avenger.
The Avenger is very good for the $350 it costs but the Nova Liberty was great for the less than $250 it was sold.
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Thank you Wayne, Dan and Haji
Fun Project and not that hard too do. The Inletting is easier than the Liberty since the channel is a constant 1.03" in width.
Very well done on the stock...
And Thanks for all the videos and the effort you put into them, I appreciate it and enjoy them, and I've learned a lot of good info...
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It’s literally uncanny how nice the triggers are and how stupid accurate the avengers are. My 22 is that way with expensive or cheap crosman pellets. I so wish I would have bought a 25 avenger. Everything in me said too but I wanted something different so I went with a DAR. The avenger is so so so much nicer and more accurate. Really kicking myself. I knew better and did it anyway.
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Funny how a couple people say so much bad stuff about Avengers but in totality there's a ton of people that really praise the guns.
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My Avenger is a strange one. It leaks all the air from the unregulated side to atmosphere over a month or 2 time. The regulated side holds air fine all the time even with the unregulated side drained. I have used spray leak detector on it and have yet to find the leak to atmosphere. ???
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As with all my PCP guns.. I don't top them off after a shooting session. I just put them away as they are and fill them before the next session.
I shot the heck out of my Avenger and the Air Speed this weekend. I put a dozen or so mini beer cans upside down on nails in a 4x4 at around 40yds. out from my sniper's blind and shot the snot out of them. Sometimes a shot or 2 would knock them off the nail and sometimes the can would get completely shredded. Didn't take long to run through a couple tins of 200.
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I really like my 25 Avenger and as they are tuned, it is my most powerful air rifle at 45-50 fpe. It was not hard to get to that power level, the regulator is only set to 2100 psi. I also like the fact that it will regularly put 3 FX 25.4 grain pellets into a 1/4 inch group at 33 meters. I like the trigger, once I put in a long enough sear engagement screw. I like having a gauge for the regulator and one for the tanks and that neither of them is on the barrel end of the gun. I like having a screw to adjust the regulator right on the bottom of the gun and a fairly accessable screw adjustment for the hammer spring. The trigger adjustment screws are not very useful IMHO. The only way I could figure out to get to a reasonable trigger pull was a longer sear adjustment screw.
I do not like that noise it makes. Without a moderator is is about 110db. With one it is still 95db. I shoot it in my backyard some but it isn't really very back yard friendly.
I do not like the length. With the moderator it is about 4 feet long. The length makes it easier to shoot from the bench but pretty ungainly.
I do not like the stock, mine is plastic. I don't mind plastic stocks but this one is very thin, has too many pieces and screws and I cannot see how it could fit anybody well. The comb is about an inch to low for me (scope is in medium rings). I also need more length of pull but others would not.
I do not like the shot count. Filling to 300 bar is not very practical unless you want to fill directly from a compressor (I fill from a SCBA tank). A larger diameter storage tank would have been a better idea than a tiny short one and a long one of equally small diameter.
I don't like the fact that mine leaked pretty badly when I got it and it cost me about $30 and 5 weeks to get it fixed. But it works fine now.
I think it is a very good gun for the $300 I paid for mine. But it is far from perfect. Lots of room for improvement. It has a lot of features and capability for the price but it is kind of crude and the materials used in some places is not very confidence inspiring. As AV keeps going up in price, I think other guns may be better deals.
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i'm on my second one now...been about 2 weeks, this one is a .177 and its just as accurate as the .22 i had back in the beginning of its production.
only complaint i have with both the .22 & the .177 is regulator creep !!!
the .22 creeped up and the .177 creeps down. so it might need a return trip to PA for a fix.
i use my guns for hunting, so 1st shot needs to be the best.
thats why i sold the .22, it needed a new home.
hopefully the .177 can be repaired.
i have not touched any adjustments.....out of the box its shooting jsb 10.34 @ 970fps
thru 3 mags accurately.
makes for a nice pester on the farm.
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I have 2 Avengers (.22 and .177).
I think it's very good for the $300 I paid.
The only part I don't like so much is the stock, which is almost from the same kind of plastic (not synthetic) used in a Daisy 880 or Crosman 760.
I also don't like that the air tube is as long as the shroud (same diameter too) which makes it look like a rifle with 2 barrels, and makes it harder to use an LDC (which needs to be taken off when filling the gun).
I also have several Nova Liberty (very similar to the Avenger) and believe they are just as good or better and have better/chunkier stock with a single 210cc air tube.
No idea why they decided to have 2 air tubes in the Avenger.
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Either this gun is not as good as many people say or I must have gotten a total lemon .25 Air Venturi Avenger air rifle. So disappointed.
Here is my experience so far:
1. Every scope mounted must have elevation knob turned nearly 100% up and even then, some scopes will not be able to be adjusted enough without a shim or major mod.
2. Much, much louder than a .25 Marauder or .25 Flashpup.
3. Significantly less accurate than .25 Marauder or .25 Flashpup.
4. I am only obtaining 12-16 shots before I need to reload with air [drops from 3000 to 2200 with a measly 12-16 shots]. Marauder gets 20-30 shots, Flashpup gets 30-40 and both are stock, without any mods...
5. It arrived with a huge gap between the barrel and the receiver/breech box.
6. Inserting and removing the magazine is challenging due to super tight fit.
7. Many allen screws were loose upon arrival.
For a brand new gun, I am unhappy with it.
Both my Marauder [5 years ago] and Flashpup [2 years ago] arrived perfect and shoot single shot holes easily up to 50 yards even to this day without any mods or adjustments].
Some of the things I like about the new .25 Air Venturi Avenger air rifle:
Cocking mechanism is super, super nice. Super easy!
Significantly lighter than other air rifles.
I am seriously considering returning this lemon....
Let me know if anyone has any recommendations...
Thanks,
Up, up, and away!
Soar
16 shots on 800 psi is bad for a 25 ? No way a flash or marauder does much better unless tuned like a total &%%$&* cat.
The scope problem was evident on mine. Just had to tighten the picatiny rails on the receiver and problem solved.
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Barring a couple shortcomings, such as the toy-like plastic stock to keep the cost down, it's a heck of alot of gun for $300 give or take.
Think about it... what is arguably the most popular and best selling pumper out there? A plastic $35 Daisy 880. Many consider that gun a toy. If that's the case, alot of us grown ups still have toys that we love to play with.
Somehow, the Avenger puts a big smile on my face everytime I shoot it... just like my 880s do and there was no refinancing involved in owning them.... ;D
Pair a $300 PCP with a $300 YH compressor and you get priceless gits and shiggles.... at least I do.
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I put a CARM magazine of pellets through my Avenger today into my new swinging target. The trigger is surprisingly good, especially since I was also shooting my newer P35 which I have messed with at least as much as the Avenger and it is still a bit heavier than I would like. No misses with the Avenger, I had one with the P35. It's definitely a shooter (but not a looker IMHO).
CARM's magazine for the Avenger is definitely better than the stock one, by the way.
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I have 6 stock mags for my Avenger.. other than one fitting a bit tight, no issues as of yet.
I've got my gun set to run the 6 full mags for one fill at 2100ish psi. That nets me 40ish fpe with the Benjamin domes (I think 25.8?)
Again, cheap guns efficiently shooting cheap pellets accurately. I can't ask for more.
As for looks.... I have yet to have a dead critter complain... :o Maybe because it stopped to look at it too long.... lol
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I brought my .22 avenger up to 42fpe with FX 25.4 pellets and an avg fps of 867, HS around 3.5-4 reg at 2700. I stopped there and sighted it in to 50 yards. Walnuts didn't stand a chance lol. I hope to get out squirrel hunting later this week and try it out
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As JimD said "It's definitely a shooter (but not a looker IMHO)." is true. I will say that the Avenger was the first AG that I have ever purchased, out of the box, to shoot 1/2" groups at 50 yards consistently without any adjustments, mods or major teardowns. And it holds air for months.
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I don't know why I would start a new topic on this rifle.
This one thread has been a wonderful source of information so it might as well stay here.
I just got an Avenger Limited Edition. The Hunter version. It looks a lot better in your hand than it does in the adverts. There was one tiny ding in the stock. Not going to worry about that.
I'm designing a moderator for it which inserts just like the endcap. I think most of that work is done. I have the endcap insert part running fine and it alone improves the noise level "noticeably" not "impressively". A photo of that part is attached.
I've exported a drawing of the moderator part which I'm running on the printer now. I expect it to fit the rifle and I expect it will perform well WRT moderation, accuracy will be a different question.
I will update here as experimentation progresses.
My story and I'm sticking to it.