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Airguns by Make and Model => Vintage Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: bantam5s on July 23, 2020, 06:43:46 PM
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I'm not a collector and I only have one, but I really love it and would also love to see and discuss them.
Theres loads of discussion on the 13xx platform but rarely these and it's a real shame.
I don't mind how stiff they are to pump, I don't find them to need any real modification from their stock form, and I really prefer the rear knob bolt.
I have compressed the trigger spring a little, rounded the edges of the grips a bit, and today I've been trying it out with a trigger shoe on it, but that's all.
The only real downside in my mind is the rear sight, I don't particularly like the crude adjustment of the 13xx rear sight much better but at least they can be replaced. Iove the sight picture just not the very crude adjustment, when you can set it and forget it though It's not really a huge deal.
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I have both the EB20 and HB20. I bought from Beeman back in the 1980's ( I still have the original paper and boxes )
I rebuilt the seals in the EB - the HB is good.
Do not shoot them very much - but they are very good and a nice gun to shoot
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I have both the EB20 and HB20. I bought from Beeman back in the 1980's ( I still have the original paper and boxes )
I rebuilt the seals in the EB - the HB is good.
Do not shoot them very much - but they are very good and a nice gun to shoot
Any pictures?
The cousin my dad bought his second blue streak off of sold it to him because he had bought one of the pistols , a few years back before he past I had the chance to ask him about it and potentially buying it from him and he had recently given it to a family member to take care of a rat problem.
I'm sure it's still getting the job done.
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That is a fine looking gun. Looks like a mini 392. I would buy one but they look to be discontinued. Is it made of brass?
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That is a fine looking gun. Looks like a mini 392. I would buy one but they look to be discontinued. Is it made of brass?
Yep, all the same materials as a 39x rifle.
Brass tube/ barrel and a case Zamak lower.
They are discontinued sadly, and tend to command a decent penny on Ebay.
Theres one on Ebay right now in nice condition with the box and everything, The starting price is $199 with only 3 days left and no bids bids or watchers but theres a tube of daisy BB's included in the box with it which isn't a good sign.
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Posted this a while back on another thread. Love this little pistol. Keep looking for an HB20 to go with it.
I bought an E20 back in August. Craigslist special $60. Needed a reseal but it was in great shape with just a little flecking near the bolt. Kit was around $30. So into it for <$100. They are great little very fun pistols. One thing they are loud.
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Had to go take a picture
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Had to go take a picture
Awesome pair. Now I really need to find the pumper. My EB20 has wood grips. Were they after market or a factory option? I believe it's from early 80's
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Had to go take a picture
Awesome pair. Now I really need to find the pumper. My EB20 has wood grips. Were they after market or a factory option? I believe it's from early 80's
I believe I've seen the Racine Wisconsin E-series pistols with walnut grips.
Not sure if I've ever seen a Racine H-series with walnut grips though.
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Posted this a while back on another thread. Love this little pistol. Keep looking for an HB20 to go with it.
I bought an E20 back in August. Craigslist special $60. Needed a reseal but it was in great shape with just a little flecking near the bolt. Kit was around $30. So into it for <$100. They are great little very fun pistols. One thing they are loud.
Excellent score, they always go for way more on Ebay.
Flint would be able to tell you what you need to know about the grips.
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Apparently there were Racine made pistols with wood grips, heres a thread which I did not remember.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=156899.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=156899.0)
I would love having that shape pump handle on my H9A, but I don't really hate what's on it.
It seems these pistols are just plain collectable and that may be why there aren't as many people actually shooting them.
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I have a Ben/Sheridan E9 .22 and two Sheridan E's which are of coarse .20
I am a fan. I was told by a well know repair facility when I first got one that I should get use to putting seals in them and it really is easy to do in my opinion. They seem to last fairly well for me.
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I have a Ben/Sheridan E9 .22 and two Sheridan E's which are of coarse .20
I am a fan. I was told by a well know repair facility when I first got one that I should get use to putting seals in them and it really is easy to do in my opinion. They seem to last fairly well for me.
Interesting.
Maybe it's just me but seals in a pumper do seem to last longer than in a co2 gun, maybe it has to do with how cold a co2 gun can get ?
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I have owned the EB17 with walnut grips, great pistol !
Stupid me, I've sold it... If they would be produced again, I instantly will buy one !!!
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I have owned the EB17 with walnut grips, great pistol !
Stupid me, I've sold it... If they would be produced again, I instantly will buy one !!!
I've been interested in an E-series, maybe one will pop up for sale at good price at some point.
I'm not a collector though and cannot justify paying for the collector value they tend to command though so it's likely to be a while if I ever get one at all.
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Here is my H9A in 177 that I picked up here on GTA Classifieds a couple years back... LOVE IT!
I have been casually watching for a matching E to got with it.
It has its own soft case and lives either in the truck or the camper with a tin of pellets so I am never without it.
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Here is my H9A in 177 that I picked up here on GTA Classifieds a couple years back... LOVE IT!
I have been casually watching for a matching E to got with it.
It has its own soft case and lives either in the truck or the camper with a tin of pellets so I am never without it.
Perfect pistol for the task.
They're rugged, pack a good punch, and the brass won't rust on you
The case is a good idea, but of course I made a leather holster for mine to live in.
Beautiful example there.
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I had thought about a pistol case for mine, but after I made the holster I no longer thought I really needed one.
My pistol kives in this holster 24/7.
(https://i.postimg.cc/FFkkC7WJ/20200629-162446.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/c6ZJr4Ns)
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Your leather working skills are better than Mine.
Very nice!
I also have a 1377 Crosman with a TON of mods, but this H9A in OEM configuration puts it to shame. ;)
Some how it just "works". 8)
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Your leather working skills are better than Mine.
Very nice!
I also have a 1377 Crosman with a TON of mods, but this H9A in OEM configuration puts it to shame. ;)
Some how it just "works". 8)
Thank you.
And I agree, you can probably make a 13xx as good or better, but I'll bet you'd spend more that these which are just right as is.
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There are some nice looking pistols in the thread.Yet another reason to want to go to the Flea market on Saturdays.
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Curious what the power is on the pumper?
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My stock Sheridan HB20
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There is an easy trigger spring mod on these guns where you take the hair-spring off it's detente and let it relax forward.
I know I have pic and explanation here somewhere on GTA but as of yet cannot search it out.
If you want me to, I will take the grips off and show pics.
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My stock Sheridan HB20
Pretty impressive for a pistol.
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There is an easy trigger spring mod on these guns where you take the hair-spring off it's detente and let it relax forward.
I know I have pic and explanation here somewhere on GTA but as of yet cannot search it out.
If you want me to, I will take the grips off and show pics.
I'd definitely appreciate it.
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My stock Sheridan HB20
Pretty impressive for a pistol.
That would explain how much force they take to pump.
I always figured the 400fps range , but don't own a chrony to test with.
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Turns out I had already done that spring " mod " if it really counts as a modification.
What I hadn't done was polish the sear contact surfaces, that was easy enough to do in just a few minutes and pretty self explanatory.
Nothing major just a few minor things that add up and do make some difference.
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I just love Sheridans . ;D
i bought this new in the early 80's and have shot it only a few times . Kept a couple pumps in it always . Basically a NOS sheridan pistol. Its a collector item for me i guess .
My main pistol is a 1977 Crosman 1377 early model phase 1. With steel breech . I bought one new 1377 in 1977 traded it for a bicycle , then found another like it about 17 years ago . I shot this pistol today about 100 times.
The Sheridan is well made . My stock 1377 was blessed by the pellet pistol gods , it shoots just crazy extremely accurate , so say th several unlucky Jays .
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Nice example there, you should shoot it more.
So how many people out there actually love these as users?
Just having it is one thing, but appreciating it as a good solid pistol is a different story.
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I love my EB20. A bit of bark and even some muzzle rise, especially noticed if you rest your wrists on something. Feels good and solid, well unless I just handled a Webley. Steel weights more than brass haha.
There is an easy trigger spring mod on these guns where you take the hair-spring off it's detente and let it relax forward.
I know I have pic and explanation here somewhere on GTA but as of yet cannot search it out.
If you want me to, I will take the grips off and show pics.
I'd be interested as well. That is one thing still on the to-do list. Either bend the spring a bit or do this mod to lighten the trigger a bit. Also figure I'll lightly moly the contact points while in there.
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Took me a while but I found it... back in 2017
I'm sure you have done it or have seen it mentioned. Prepare for your mind to be blown if for some miracle you haven't done it or looked at the simple design.
My H9A
(http://i.imgur.com/pQ0SbQD.jpg)
.... Those spring ends you see sits on that ledge. This is what gives the trigger it's weight. Drop the one off the ledge and you'll only have some of the resistance of that spring. You can take spring out and bend it or get needle nose pliers and bend out the slight angle on the one you leave on that ledge.
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Some may not know this, but there are 2 distinctly different versions of the nickel E model.
The early one is completely nickel and the later ones have blued small parts including the rear sight.
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Some may not know this, but there are 2 distinctly different versions of the nickel E model.
The early one is completely nickel and the later ones have blued small parts including the rear sight.
If I'm not mistaken the all nickel versions were Racine made by Sheridan, and the ones with nickel parts 1990's Crosman versions.
I could be wrong though.
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Some may not know this, but there are 2 distinctly different versions of the nickel E model.
The early one is completely nickel and the later ones have blued small parts including the rear sight.
If I'm not mistaken the all nickel versions were Racine made by Sheridan, and the ones with nickel parts 1990's Crosman versions.
I could be wrong though.
There are Racine guns with the blued parts, but not easy to find.
Here are all three calibers
.22 which has been tuned
.20 all nickel
.177 with blued parts and made in Racine
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Some may not know this, but there are 2 distinctly different versions of the nickel E model.
The early one is completely nickel and the later ones have blued small parts including the rear sight.
If I'm not mistaken the all nickel versions were Racine made by Sheridan, and the ones with nickel parts 1990's Crosman versions.
I could be wrong though.
There are Racine guns with the blued parts, but not easy to find.
Here are all three calibers
.22 which has been tuned
.20 all nickel
.177 with blued parts and made in Racine
"All Sheridan air rifles and pistols are single shot, bolt action, breech-loading, and .20 (5mm) caliber." Blue Book of Airguns
From what I have read Sheridan sold out to Benjamin in 1977 the E17, E20 and E22 were later marketed under the Benjamin/Sheridan name from 1992 to 1998. Crosman purchased Benjamin and manufactured the EB17 and EB22 and marketed under the Benjamin/Sheridan name too. The EB20 was manufactured and marketed under the Sheridan name again by Crosman though.
I hope I got that all right it can be a little confusing since basically the same gun was made by and marketed by three companies and marketed under different brand names and model numbers.
Crosman acquired the Benjamin Sheridan Corporation in February, 1992. In 1994, the Benjamin Sheridan manufacturing operations, then in Racine, Wisconsin, were consolidated into Crosman's East Bloomfield facility.
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Here's an interesting one, supposedly an old Mac1 modification.
Bulk fill, longer barrel on an E body, among other mods to it
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Here's an interesting one, supposedly an old Mac1 modification.
Bulk fill, longer barrel on an E body, among other mods to it
That is a weird one. 8) But you aren't suppose to show paintball guns on GTA and there are 2 in that pic and it looks like 1 or 2 more trying to sneak in too. ;) ;)
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Those were well made air pistols.
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Those were well made air pistols.
Absolutely.
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My stock Sheridan HB20
thats great info ....i really had no idea the max power of the HB. Not too shabby stock !
Thanks for posting that.
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My stock Sheridan HB20
thats great info ....i really had no idea the max power of the HB. Not too shabby stock !
Thanks for posting that.
If more people knew this they probably wouldn't complain so much about how hard they are to pump.
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My stock Sheridan HB20
thats great info ....i really had no idea the max power of the HB. Not too shabby stock !
Thanks for posting that.
If more people knew this they probably wouldn't complain so much about how hard they are to pump.
i wonder if the same people that make " Hop up mod parts " for Blue Streak s make the same for the HB series ? Seems they are quite sturdy and might take a bit more performance mods ?
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My stock Sheridan HB20
thats great info ....i really had no idea the max power of the HB. Not too shabby stock !
Thanks for posting that.
If more people knew this they probably wouldn't complain so much about how hard they are to pump.
i wonder if the same people that make " Hop up mod parts " for Blue Streak s make the same for the HB series ? Seems they are quite sturdy and might take a bit more performance mods ?
I'm not sure what performance parts you're talking about, but I would be very surprised if there are any for these.
You'd have to do some decent mods to a 1322 to get this performance , what more would you want in a pistol this size ?
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My stock Sheridan HB20
thats great info ....i really had no idea the max power of the HB. Not too shabby stock !
Thanks for posting that.
If more people knew this they probably wouldn't complain so much about how hard they are to pump.
i wonder if the same people that make " Hop up mod parts " for Blue Streak s make the same for the HB series ? Seems they are quite sturdy and might take a bit more performance mods ?
I'm not sure what performance parts you're talking about, but I would be very surprised if there are any for these.
You'd have to do some decent mods to a 1322 to get this performance , what more would you want in a pistol this size ?
Oh I don't know , just 1000 's of pages of mods for my 1377. , seems i ve never seen an article on a HB power increase . Maybe they can 't be modified like streaks . Not that i d mess up a like new 38 year old pistol anyway , not my style.
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Here's my E series I acquired in a trade. Resealed and hot rodded, I don't think the grips are original to it.
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Looks like the ceiling...
Did I fall down again?
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Lol was a test to see if I could post pics.
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Looks like you figured it out.
NICE "E"!!
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Did anyone see the factory polished brass H9 that recently sold on ebay?
I've only seen two of those, that one being the second one.
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Here's my E series I acquired in a trade. Resealed and hot rodded, I don't think the grips are original to it.
I likey !
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I likey !
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Thanks, but the chipmunks and starlings beg to differ! I don't see much of an advantage souping up a shorter barreled CO2 pistol though. The nominal increase in velocity of a .177 pellet is offset by the reduced shot count, plus it's pretty loud.
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Here's my E series I acquired in a trade. Resealed and hot rodded, I don't think the grips are original to it.
Nice "E" ..What exactly is entailed in the "Hot Rodded" part of your post. I added a bit more valve volume to mine but so far that's all I could think of.
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Here's my E series I acquired in a trade. Resealed and hot rodded, I don't think the grips are original to it.
I would say you're probably right.
Racine Sheridan grips on a Crosman made Benjamin pistol is what I see
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Here's my E series I acquired in a trade. Resealed and hot rodded, I don't think the grips are original to it.
I would say you're probably right.
Racine Sheridan grips on a Crosman made Benjamin pistol is what I see
But it is Racine Benjamin-Sheridan so they may be transitional leftover Sheridan grips? Non of those airgun companies wasted stuff they had on hand. It is all speculation at this point.
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Here's my E series I acquired in a trade. Resealed and hot rodded, I don't think the grips are original to it.
I would say you're probably right.
Racine Sheridan grips on a Crosman made Benjamin pistol is what I see
But it is Racine Benjamin-Sheridan so they may be transitional leftover Sheridan grips? Non of those airgun companies wasted stuff they had on hand. It is all speculation at this point.
Didn't notice the Racine before, as far as I've seen that bevel on the front of the breech is a Crosman thing so maybe this is a very late Racine gun from before Crosman moved production to their Bloomfied factory ?
Thinking about that I'll bet the crazy people at Crosman may very likely have used these grips.
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Here's my E series I acquired in a trade. Resealed and hot rodded, I don't think the grips are original to it.
I would say you're probably right.
Racine Sheridan grips on a Crosman made Benjamin pistol is what I see
But it is Racine Benjamin-Sheridan so they may be transitional leftover Sheridan grips? Non of those airgun companies wasted stuff they had on hand. It is all speculation at this point.
Looks like a Crosman pistol and was mentioned as .177 in his next post, wouldn't expect Crosman to have put leftover S medallion grips on this pistol but with Crosman you never know I suppose.
That "seems right" but since it is a Racine gun if they found any Sheridan leftovers Crosman would have used them from what I have seen with what they did with variants and transitions even parts between models.
Of course it could be that any owner did it too.
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I guess it would have to be a transitional gun if it has the Crosman look but Racine production.
Based on condition I would think it's original because who would replace wood with plastic unless there was damage, but these plastic ones do seem pretty nice so who knows.
I suppose theres no way to really say if they are original.
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I guess it would have to be a transitional gun if it has the Crosman look but Racine production.
Based on condition I would think it's original because who would replace wood with plastic unless there was damage, but these plastic ones do seem pretty nice so who knows.
I suppose theres no way to really say if they are original.
If one side got broken and that was what the owner found easily I can see it happening, but I agree if it had good wood grips most people would not choose to switch to those unless maybe for nostalgia? We will probably never know. I made this set of grips from a scrap of old chair back. They fit the grip frame good without the paintball stock.
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The guy I did the trade with was always after more power, he also drag races...a speed demon. I know he brought the gun to Tim Schmidt and had him do what he could to make it shoot faster. I never had it chronied. It's a sweet shooter though, my favorite CO2 pistol.
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Just shot a cartridge in my EB20. Always forget how much pop and even muzzle flip it has. Fun times! Also, thank you Scott for the tip on the spring! I will probably eventually pull it out and try bending it some but taking one leg off definitely lightened the trigger up nicely for a quick fix.
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I had to play with the spring in mine a bit.
I wanted to lighten the pull while still maintaining that satisfying crisp double click of the bolt when you cock it back.