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Title: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: YEMX on May 02, 2020, 11:07:04 AM
Hi all!  For those of you that have a JSAR externally adjustable reg, does it need a spanner wrench to use while pressurized?  If so, what size spanner?  I'm excited to get my build done, but don't want to mar the the reg while doing so...  Anyhoo, TIA!!

Pic:
(https://i.imgur.com/sy5feOo.jpg)
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: miksatx on May 02, 2020, 11:12:11 AM
Should have come with the tool to adjust it. Look in the packaging it came in.
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: cootertwo on May 02, 2020, 11:19:24 AM
Yes, under pressure it requires the wrench. I bought one from Hajimoto and it came with a spanner wrench. The free one I finally got from JSAR to go with my Raptor, came with no wrench. With no pressure it turns easy. ;)
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: YEMX on May 02, 2020, 12:08:44 PM
Yeah, it definitely didn't come with a wrench.  I bought direct from JSAR.  *sigh*  I'll email JSAR...   ::)  I really hope this was just a mistake made due to the haste to put the reg into the mail.  I'm going to be very upset if I have to buy the wrench that is required for use...
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on May 02, 2020, 12:30:17 PM
Good luck not scratching the adjuster!  The spanner wrench that came with my Raptor did not have any sort of protective finish on it and the adjuster wheel scratched very easily.
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: YEMX on May 02, 2020, 09:00:32 PM
Good luck not scratching the adjuster!  The spanner wrench that came with my Raptor did not have any sort of protective finish on it and the adjuster wheel scratched very easily.

I kind of expected that, actually...  But the scratches from a dedicated spanner are probably far less bad as using an incorrect tool... 
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: PCPhack on May 02, 2020, 09:29:25 PM
I just got mine from JSAR and haven't even tried it yet. It did not come with a wrench. I wonder if a strap wrench can turn it under pressure without marring it.
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: Motorhead on May 02, 2020, 09:57:28 PM
I just got mine from JSAR and haven't even tried it yet. It did not come with a wrench. I wonder if a strap wrench can turn it under pressure without marring it.

yes it will / should
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: scion19801 on May 02, 2020, 10:41:09 PM
Got mine from Hajimoto's . Also had a wrench for it.
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: PCPhack on May 02, 2020, 10:46:13 PM
It looks like some holes for a tool to leverage on would have been a better design than the knurling.
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: YEMX on May 03, 2020, 02:14:47 AM
It looks like some holes for a tool to leverage on would have been a better design than the knurling.

But there's slots for a spanner- is your adjustment collar knurled?

Also, I'm noticing a bad trend- direct from JSAR no adjustment wrench (none on the website either), but from Hajimoto, you get a wrench?!  *sigh*

I'm expecting a no, but I emailed Hajimoto to see if I could buy just a spanner from him.  I'm also going to test to see if an AF wrench will work.    AF wrench absolutely does NOT work... 
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: KnifeMaker on May 03, 2020, 06:55:43 AM
What knurling? It has slots machined in the adjustment for the spanner.


Knife
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: PCPhack on May 03, 2020, 12:50:31 PM
Yes, yes slots. I just glanced at it through the plastic bag it came in. My point was that if it is so hard to turn under pressure, maybe holes would have been easier to adjust against and not leave marks.
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: screwwork on May 03, 2020, 01:04:01 PM
Tom,
My raptor shipped without the wrench as well. The wrench for AR buffer tube castle nut wrench will work too, but they really don't fit that well and will scratch up the finish too. I emailed Jacob at JSAR and asked for the wrench, he responded and shipped it out within a week of contacting him.
That was before Covid-19 BS though.
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: YEMX on May 03, 2020, 01:06:49 PM
Ah, gotcha...  Maybe you're right- But I would think the slots would index better with spanner wrenches. 

Maybe an odd question- how do you "size" a spanner wrench?  In the event Hajimoto won't sell me just a wrench (I have a sneaking suspicion that JSAR doesn't have/deal with the wrench), I'll want to get one.  TIA for any help.  I'll also be trying to look up the info on my end as well, though I'm not even sure how to search for the info...
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: Motorhead on May 03, 2020, 01:21:38 PM
Ah, gotcha...  Maybe you're right- But I would think the slots would index better with spanner wrenches. 

Maybe an odd question- how do you "size" a spanner wrench?  In the event Hajimoto won't sell me just a wrench (I have a sneaking suspicion that JSAR doesn't have/deal with the wrench), I'll want to get one.  TIA for any help.  I'll also be trying to look up the info on my end as well, though I'm not even sure how to search for the info...

IF you can contact JSAR ... thay have the spanner wrenches.
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: YEMX on May 03, 2020, 01:22:58 PM
After a little digging, I got some good info-

I'm after a "hook" spanner wrench.  They're sized by the O.D. of the collar, so says McMaster Carr.  I measured my reg's collar, and I'm looking at 1.24"-ish or, 31.5 mm.  McMaster has a hook spanner that is good for 30-32 mm, PN: 6975A14.  I'll snag one of those if Hajimoto won't sell me one.  I'd much rather have a wrench that has square prongs that fit into the slots, and engages 2-3 slots at once, but c'est la vie...
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: YEMX on May 03, 2020, 01:32:38 PM
Tom,
My raptor shipped without the wrench as well. The wrench for AR buffer tube castle nut wrench will work too, but they really don't fit that well and will scratch up the finish too. I emailed Jacob at JSAR and asked for the wrench, he responded and shipped it out within a week of contacting him.
That was before Covid-19 BS though.

IF you can contact JSAR ... thay have the spanner wrenches.

This is good news!!  I'm going to wait until I get a response from both of them before buying the hook spanner from McMaster.  I'm a little annoyed though- multiple people have received these regs direct from JSAR with no wrench...  Why?  The wrench is pretty much needed to use the reg, so why not just include it?  Why the rigmarole to get a necessary tool?  No one said anything about paying for one, which I hope is the case.  *sigh*  Maybe I'm making a mountain from a mole hill.  But if the reg needs a tool to adjust it, just include the wrench.  If it's a case of not having the wrench on hand due to this Covid-19 business, then either email or slip a note into the package saying so.
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: oldpro on May 03, 2020, 01:47:03 PM
this is far better than the wrench supplied https://www.amazon.com/uxcell-Spanner-Wrench-Collet-28-32mm/dp/B07DNDNC2B/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=30-32mm+spanner+wrench&qid=1588524359&sr=8-1 (https://www.amazon.com/uxcell-Spanner-Wrench-Collet-28-32mm/dp/B07DNDNC2B/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=30-32mm+spanner+wrench&qid=1588524359&sr=8-1)
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: PCPhack on May 03, 2020, 01:51:48 PM
Thanks Travis!
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: PCPhack on May 03, 2020, 02:18:35 PM
I ordered one of the spanners that Travis linked. I will wrap it with cloth sports tape, except for the hook itself, and see if that will minimize marks to the adjustment ring.
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: YEMX on May 03, 2020, 03:56:38 PM
Ah-ha!  Thanks Travis!  Ordered!  I need to get to finishing this 6mm!!
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: scion19801 on May 06, 2020, 05:56:32 PM
for those that have this setup. look at your pressure gauges. Are they both 6k gauges? I personally think the output should be a 3k one in my cas as the reg adjusts from 1400-2400. it don't make sense to have a 6k and then be guessing on output as the gauge resolution isn't fine enough. or am i just way over thinking this?
Anyone know what size and thread to try to locate a finer resolution 3k gauge to put in?
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: Motorhead on May 06, 2020, 06:18:05 PM
1/8-27 NPT threading
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: YEMX on May 06, 2020, 07:25:29 PM
Yep, they're both 6k.  Thanks for pointing that out- I'm going to swap one out that has a more appropriate pressure range. 
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: YEMX on May 06, 2020, 07:27:16 PM
Although- Maybe I won't be...  The spacing looks a little tight.  I'll try it, see what happens.
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: Motorhead on May 06, 2020, 07:42:52 PM
Although- Maybe I won't be...  The spacing looks a little tight.  I'll try it, see what happens.
You can do the LP with a 1 1/2" but the Hp side needs stay 1" or less.
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: PCPhack on May 06, 2020, 07:46:26 PM
Hey, I can finally use that glow in the dark 3k gauge I bought from Travis long ago off eBay. It looks a bit like that one you have in the picture Scott. ;D
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: Buldawg76 on May 06, 2020, 08:02:21 PM
My adjustable reg I got from JSAR came with the wrench but it was well before CV19 also but I just ordered one of the spanners Travis linked to also since the one that came with the reg is not really long enough and does not fits good enough to easily adjust under pressure.

BD
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: Motorhead on May 06, 2020, 08:32:20 PM
Hey, I can finally use that glow in the dark 3k gauge I bought from Travis long ago off eBay. It looks a bit like that one you have in the picture Scott. ;D
Thats the one ... GREAT gauges that are very accurate !
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: YEMX on May 06, 2020, 11:12:07 PM
I found a 1.5" gauge that's 1/8 NPT that reads up to 3k with a wide sweep.  For whatever reason, ebay had a huge selection of liquid filled gauges, but the one's I bought were the only dry gauges I could find...  Maybe I'm using the wrong key words or something  ::) :-\

Spanner should be here tomorrow, gauge should be here early next week...  Of COURSE I'm missing a few small parts- I've already ordered them from Crosman...  So those should also be here sometime next week.  THEN I can finally assemble my 6mm!!
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: YEMX on May 07, 2020, 11:47:54 PM
That spanner that Travis linked is AWESOME!  If you have this reg, and you don't have a wrench, get the spanner linked above...  Got mine today and it fits extremely well in the grooves of the adjustment ring. 

Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: Buldawg76 on May 08, 2020, 01:54:39 AM
I ordered one of the spanner Travis linked to and got a tracking info tonight and it shows delivery of mid June to early July and its supposed to be coming from California to Alabama I guess on a very slow truck or boat. ??? ::) :o

BD 
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: YEMX on May 08, 2020, 04:34:22 AM
I think amazon is doing that for almost all orders- you should get it much sooner than that.  Not as fast as pre-Covid of course... But sooner than 2 months!
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: scion19801 on May 08, 2020, 10:50:47 AM
I found a 1.5" gauge that's 1/8 NPT that reads up to 3k with a wide sweep.  For whatever reason, ebay had a huge selection of liquid filled gauges, but the one's I bought were the only dry gauges I could find...  Maybe I'm using the wrong key words or something  ::) :-\

Spanner should be here tomorrow, gauge should be here early next week...  Of COURSE I'm missing a few small parts- I've already ordered them from Crosman...  So those should also be here sometime next week.  THEN I can finally assemble my 6mm!!


this is the gauge i chose to put in my reg. YEMX
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-Gauge-1-inch-3000-psi-High-Pressure-for-HPA-air-tank-CO2-PCP/261993064717 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-Gauge-1-inch-3000-psi-High-Pressure-for-HPA-air-tank-CO2-PCP/261993064717)
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: YEMX on May 08, 2020, 12:09:16 PM
I like those too!  I just wanted a wider sweep for a little more accuracy, and the one I went with is easier to see:
(https://i.imgur.com/fh18WLz.jpg)

Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: Buldawg76 on May 08, 2020, 06:51:23 PM
I think amazon is doing that for almost all orders- you should get it much sooner than that.  Not as fast as pre-Covid of course... But sooner than 2 months!

That's good to know Tom, although I have my Brod tuned to my liking so not really in need of the spanner right away either. Mine did come with the JSAR spanner but the double ended one they send is hard to use without gloves or a cloth to protect your fingers/hand from cuts or nicks.

Got a link to the gauge you got for your reg. I like it.

BD
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: Scotchmo on May 19, 2020, 06:02:19 PM
I recently received a Ninja Flex12-20M adjustable regulator. Ordered from Hajimoto. It did not come with a wrench. Hajimoto said it was an oversight and is sending a wrench out.

Rather than wait:

(http://www.scotthull.us/photos/Armada/Ninja-flex-00.jpg)

(http://www.scotthull.us/photos/Armada/IMG_2521.JPG)

http://www.scotthull.us/photos/Armada/Ninja-flex-00.gcode (http://www.scotthull.us/photos/Armada/Ninja-flex-00.gcode)

I designed it with four prongs so a little tricky to slide in place. It is printed from PLA so it won't mar the finish on the regulator.

The bigger problem is that it they no longer come with the pin valve. See bottom picture. Ninja says that the pin valve was causing problems in >1200psi regulators so those regulators no longer come with them. I don't really get it as I've been using a Ninja 3000psi output fill station for years with no problem. My Armada bottle gun has a shutoff valve so that bottle can be easily removed/swapped without needing to drain the bottle. So I won't be installing the reg until I correct that problem. I called Ninja and they said to send them a SASE and they will send me pin valve that I can install. Oh well, another week delay in my Armada bottle gun project.
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: cootertwo on May 19, 2020, 08:53:19 PM
While we mentioned the subject of gauges, does anyone know (link) to a small 3000 psi gauge, with straight metric threads, like would fit into the bleed hole of a FX Wildcat ???  :o
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: Buldawg76 on May 20, 2020, 02:38:29 AM
Got my amazon spanner yesterday. ;D

BD
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: YEMX on May 20, 2020, 12:53:28 PM
Got my amazon spanner yesterday. ;D

BD

Very good!!  12 days is a long time, but not nearly as long as June/July!  ;D

Rather than wait:

(http://www.scotthull.us/photos/Armada/Ninja-flex-00.jpg)

(http://www.scotthull.us/photos/Armada/IMG_2521.JPG)

http://www.scotthull.us/photos/Armada/Ninja-flex-00.gcode (http://www.scotthull.us/photos/Armada/Ninja-flex-00.gcode)

I designed it with four prongs so a little tricky to slide in place. It is printed from PLA so it won't mar the finish on the regulator.

The bigger problem is that it they no longer come with the pin valve.

No pin valve isn't really a problem- the pin valve just impedes air flow.  Back when modifying Ninja regs and their clones, one would remove the pin valve as part of re-doing the reg.  It's not like the tank blocks have an on/off in which to engage the airflow anyway... 

I wonder how that wrench would do in ABS?  Do you have a file for that wrench?  I click on the link and it's just the (I'm assuming) entire g-code...  I don't have  a printer yet, but I want to get into it...

Also, when I quoted your post, I see there's supposed to be pictures...  I'm not seeing them?  This isn't the first time-  I wonder why I'm not seeing pictures on various people's posts?!  Quite frustrating! 

Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: oldpro on May 20, 2020, 02:46:14 PM
This forum does not support G-code so you will have to upload as a STL. file
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: YEMX on May 20, 2020, 04:08:04 PM
... a STL. file

That's what I'm asking for.  I'm asking for the STL file to download and save for later. 
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: Scotchmo on May 20, 2020, 06:25:16 PM
I picked the gcode file by mistake. I meant to link the stl  file. I can't edit that post so here is the stl file for the wrench. I used it to adjust the regulator while pressurized. It works well.

(http://www.scotthull.us/photos/Armada/Ninja-flex-00.jpg)
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: Scotchmo on May 20, 2020, 06:53:52 PM
...
No pin valve isn't really a problem- the pin valve just impedes air flow.  Back when modifying Ninja regs and their clones, one would remove the pin valve as part of re-doing the reg.  It's not like the tank blocks have an on/off in which to engage the airflow anyway... 

I wonder how that wrench would do in ABS?  Do you have a file for that wrench?  I click on the link and it's just the (I'm assuming) entire g-code...  I don't have  a printer yet, but I want to get into it...

Also, when I quoted your post, I see there's supposed to be pictures...  I'm not seeing them?  This isn't the first time-  I wonder why I'm not seeing pictures on various people's posts?!  Quite frustrating! 



The pin valve is upstream from the plenum, so flow rate is not an issue. It has no affect on shooting performance. I have removed the pin valve when installing regs for blocks that do not include an actuator pin. My bottle gun does have an on/off valve, just like a paintball gun. In the course of normal shooting, I don't use it, but it's very convenient to have if I do need it. I can fill the tank before installing it. I like to check the regulator function/adjustment before installing on the gun. My regulator test device uses the pin valve. I can swap tanks easily without draining them. I can meter a small amount of air into the plenum to test different pressures without adjusting the reg. I have never had a bottle regulator that did not have a pin or ball valve. So there are lots of reasons why it should have  the pin valve. They should at least include the parts with the reg, in case someone needs it. The seal for the pin valve appears to be there, just no pin or spring.

If it won't have the pin, they should make it clear in the info. I was expecting it to be there, so was disappointed when it was not.

For now I went ahead and installed the empty bottle it without the pin, and then filled it, and finally adjusted the regulator to 3000psi. When the parts get here from Ninja, I'll take it apart and install the pin valve. I plan on doing some chrony testing today and hopefully some 100 yard shooting tomorrow.
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: KnifeMaker on May 20, 2020, 08:17:36 PM
Got my amazon spanner yesterday. ;D

BD


Mike, I got one as well. Did a little cleanup on the lug. Works much better than the supplied alu. wrench.


I liked it so well that I ordered another one. One for the bench, one for the shooting bag.


For those that don't like the long listed wait, I have no idea why it is listed as such. it shipped here in the U.S and I had it in a week.  8)
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: YEMX on May 20, 2020, 11:04:25 PM

The pin valve is upstream from the plenum, so flow rate is not an issue. It has no affect on shooting performance. I have removed the pin valve when installing regs for blocks that do not include an actuator pin. My bottle gun does have an on/off valve, just like a paintball gun. In the course of normal shooting, I don't use it, but it's very convenient to have if I do need it. I can fill the tank before installing it. I like to check the regulator function/adjustment before installing on the gun. My regulator test device uses the pin valve. I can swap tanks easily without draining them. I can meter a small amount of air into the plenum to test different pressures without adjusting the reg. I have never had a bottle regulator that did not have a pin or ball valve. So there are lots of reasons why it should have  the pin valve. They should at least include the parts with the reg, in case someone needs it. The seal for the pin valve appears to be there, just no pin or spring.

If it won't have the pin, they should make it clear in the info. I was expecting it to be there, so was disappointed when it was not.

For now I went ahead and installed the empty bottle it without the pin, and then filled it, and finally adjusted the regulator to 3000psi. When the parts get here from Ninja, I'll take it apart and install the pin valve. I plan on doing some chrony testing today and hopefully some 100 yard shooting tomorrow.

Ah!  I didn't realize your set up has an on/off...  Many do not.  I also didn't think about the lack of an actuator pin- now that I think about it, I don't think the Mrod bottle blocks have one...  Good info!!  Many thanks for the STL!
Title: Re: JSAR externally adjustable reg
Post by: Buldawg76 on May 21, 2020, 12:50:18 AM
Yep no actuator pin on MMHF/WAR or JSAR bottle drop down blocks.

BD