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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: Nomadic Pirate on March 12, 2020, 10:22:09 PM
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Today I opened up my, well over a year old, severely abuse handpump.
Incredible to see zero sign, none, of any pitting on the metal ( all the HILLs I had so far at this point had severe pitting )
all the brass was also extremely clean and very little amount of curd ( again all my HILLs would have at this point mountains of it )
I found only one O-ring that needed replacement,...only one.
The one on the check valve, and of course was an easy change since the pump comes with a complete replacement kit.
Re-lubed and put back together,
And I'm simply amazed at the incredible value and quality product you get for 50 bucks to your door.
Absolutely love them China pumps ;D ;D ;D ;D
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If I remember correctly my Chinese pump was $32 delivered well over a year ago. Can't say it's abused as I only use it once or twice a week and I oil the shaft occasionally but have not had it apart as it pumps as good now as the day I got it. If it died tomorrow it wouldn't owe me a thing and I would just order another one!
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Great pumps and these make it affordable for newbies into the PCP market!
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I've always wanted to get a chinese pump and automate it
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At the time being I wouldn't buy a HILL over this China pump if it cost 50 bucks,.....never mind the 300 Bucks that it actually costs.
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I saw this thread so I checked on my old rws I think it is hand pump that I have used maybe 2 times since it was replaced under warranty 10 years ago ...maybe more ;D… it still works ! LOL ;D I think that pump was around 200 bucks ? ….
I got 1 of the very first shoebox compressors from Tom ,and ran that thing 24/7 {for days on end} filling up 88 tanks ,and a 500cf steel dot tank like the fire departments use , the data collected from those long crazy test helped refine the shoe box into a more reliable machine to what you see today … and I still have the original machine working great ! …. that thing has close to 3000 hours of run time or more on it... ;D
I just cant believe how cheap these hand pumps are from China now ,and how well they seem to work for you guys , for someone that does not have the cash for a compressor ,or wants a back up to charge up their guns... this is cheap insurance … :o
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before I got my YH I seriously considered welding up one of those motorized crank setups with a wheel chair motor.
I've always wanted to get a chinese pump and automate it
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Makes a very affordable addition to each "buggout" kit... I have one with each of my two kits.
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I would have never got into PCP if it were not for the China pumps. Incredible value compared to others.
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Got this one in Feb. of 2014.
Some simple assembly required....but that odd looking tool really is a help.
(https://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t50/ribbonstone/XS%2060C/177a1cd8-509c-42e3-aedd-242f18cd1eb2.jpg) (https://s157.photobucket.com/user/ribbonstone/media/XS%2060C/177a1cd8-509c-42e3-aedd-242f18cd1eb2.jpg.html)
Still working.
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Makes a very affordable addition to each "buggout" kit... I have one with each of my two kits.
Forgot that,.....They are way, way lighter then a HILL
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And I'm simply amazed at the incredible value and quality product you get for 50 bucks to your door.
Absolutely love them China pumps ;D ;D ;D ;D
The China compressor (Yong Heng) is also a remarkably great value. Hard to believe how well it works for 200 bucks. The Chinese sure seem to know something about compressing air for cheap. :)
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Can make a good case for both.....find myself using both the hand pump and the compressor.
Yesterday, had one totally apart ro be cleaned/resealed. Pumping up from zero really does not so good. Worth the time to set up the compressor.
Once it was full and tested to be holding air, shot the rifle. Found myself pump filling it from the bottom of the sweet spot to the top.....took less time to pump it than to walk back to the already set up the compressor(And a lot less time than having to go back to the house set up the compressor, then run it).
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Same here, much easier to pump then use my Nomad II compressor.
Only use the compressor once in awhile to make sure it doesn't seize :) LOL
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Mine is pulling a vacuum on the upstroke. I need to tear it down and see what's causing it.
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Sooner or later everyone is going to have to de-gas and take the PCP apart....then fill from Zero once you think it's leak-proof.
Wouldn't be so bad hand-pumping if what you 100% knew the fix actually turned out to be a fix....but a couple of potential cycles from dead-empty, fix again, refill,etc….. really takes the heart out of a pump filler.
So long as it's running/holding air as expected, pretty happy withy the cheap-china-pump.
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Re-filled many guns from empty after opening them up,
I just fill to 50 BAR to start, if it doesn't move I'll go ahead and take it to 100 BAR that is my resting place
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Sooner or later everyone is going to have to de-gas and take the PCP apart....then fill from Zero once you think it's leak-proof.
Wouldn't be so bad hand-pumping if what you 100% knew the fix actually turned out to be a fix....but a couple of potential cycles from dead-empty, fix again, refill,etc….. really takes the heart out of a pump filler.
So long as it's running/holding air as expected, pretty happy withy the cheap-china-pump.
Been there, done that. Bought a compressor. Still good to have the pump in case of compressor break down. Not too bad on my 200 bar rifle tubes. Would not want to see what’s needed on my 250 bar rifle with only a hand pump!
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Same here, much easier to pump then use my Nomad II compressor.
Only use the compressor once in awhile to make sure it doesn't seize :) LOL
I would disagree with that ;D ;D ;D ;D ,at least if you have the carbon scba tanks to fill to 4500 psi , shoebox fills those up very nice , trust me you are not going to hand pump fill the big bores up over and over especially during testing of ammo/gun's or shooting a lot in a hour or so session , you would be pumping yourself to death LOL ! … I swim a mile a day 5 days a week core train plus lift weights so the last thing I want to do is pump my gun up LOL …. ;) I like having fun with the guns ….
now if you are going day hiking in the rain forest shooting .22 or .25 like we do here to top off , yeah you can do that = hand pump, but as I have found out much easier to just bring the small carbon tank for re charge ;D
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Same here, much easier to pump then use my Nomad II compressor.
Only use the compressor once in awhile to make sure it doesn't seize :) LOL
I would disagree with that ;D ;D ;D ;D ,at least if you have the carbon scba tanks to fill to 4500 psi , shoebox fills those up very nice , trust me you are not going to hand pump fill the big bores up over and over especially during testing of ammo/gun's or shooting a lot in a hour or so session , you would be pumping yourself to death LOL ! … I swim a mile a day 5 days a week core train plus lift weights so the last thing I want to do is pump my gun up LOL …. ;) I like having fun with the guns ….
now if you are going day hiking in the rain forest shooting .22 or .25 like we do here to top off , yeah you can do that = hand pump, but as I have found out much easier to just bring the small carbon tank for re charge ;D
How do you think I tested ammo in my 400 FPE Claw .50 that was getting 2 shots per fill ?......Yep, hand pump :) :)
Been testing ammo on big bores for over a decade and always used a handpump,..the compressor I had it for a year and used it probably 40-50 times :)
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I still haven't had my China-pump apart and it's seen some ridiculous duty. 200+ fills on my PP700.
I pump my Leshiy back up to 260-ish (was going 270 but I decided 260 was fine) nearly every day when there are starlings. My Benji pump is a good back-up for the PP700 but it can't hang with the Leshiy's fill pressure. I foresee getting a couple more China-pumps just because I can.
Also probably gonna bit the bullet and get a compressor at some point, but no rush.
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I still haven't had my China-pump apart and it's seen some ridiculous duty. 200+ fills on my PP700.
I pump my Leshiy back up to 260-ish (was going 270 but I decided 260 was fine) nearly every day when there are starlings. My Benji pump is a good back-up for the PP700 but it can't hang with the Leshiy's fill pressure. I foresee getting a couple more China-pumps just because I can.
Also probably gonna bit the bullet and get a compressor at some point, but no rush.
;D ;D ;D ;D I have 3 pumps boxed up and never used and now I have one in my Amazon cart ;D ;D LOL
The 1st China pump I tested I had it shipped from MrodAir when I had the Slayer in for testing,.....I pumped that gun up to 3600 psi countless times, that was when I 1st realized the China pump was an excellent product
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Same here, much easier to pump then use my Nomad II compressor.
Only use the compressor once in awhile to make sure it doesn't seize :) LOL
I would disagree with that ;D ;D ;D ;D ,at least if you have the carbon scba tanks to fill to 4500 psi , shoebox fills those up very nice , trust me you are not going to hand pump fill the big bores up over and over especially during testing of ammo/gun's or shooting a lot in a hour or so session , you would be pumping yourself to death LOL ! … I swim a mile a day 5 days a week core train plus lift weights so the last thing I want to do is pump my gun up LOL …. ;) I like having fun with the guns ….
now if you are going day hiking in the rain forest shooting .22 or .25 like we do here to top off , yeah you can do that = hand pump, but as I have found out much easier to just bring the small carbon tank for re charge ;D
How do you think I tested ammo in my 400 FPE Claw .50 that was getting 2 shots per fill ?......Yep, hand pump :) :)
Been testing ammo on big bores for over a decade and always used a handpump,..the compressor I had it for a year and used it probably 40-50 times :)
Well Manny I have to admit if I were stuck on Gilligan's island { kinda close to you bro LOL !} and I had my ranger .45 ,and this hand pump happen to wash a-shore … ;D yep ;D ... I would definitely use said hand pump ,and become a member of Manny's big bore hand pumping island club .... LOL ;D ;D
other than that I am going to hit the switch on the shoebox ,and let it do the work ,and have fun shooting my gun's …. ;D... ;)
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Yep, I'm not forced to use the pump I could get tanks and compressor easily,
......it's a choice and I wouldn't do it any other way :) :)
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Yep, I'm not forced to use the pump I could get tanks and compressor easily,
......it's a choice and I wouldn't do it any other way :) :)
I'm not lazy and enjoy the feeling that every shot I take I have put something into it,...not unlike archery, actually exactly like archery :) :)
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I still have a stainless one still in the box and only used once just to make sure that it works. I also have a TAOUSA behind the seat of my truck for emergencies :D My preference is still my F10 for the larger capacity air tubes though but for something like the Prod, PP700SA and my Varmint (SPA .22) hand pumps are just the ticket, they're about as fast as using a bottle to fill because hooking them up and hand pumping isn't much slower.
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Sooner or later everyone is going to have to de-gas and take the PCP apart....then fill from Zero once you think it's leak-proof.
Wouldn't be so bad hand-pumping if what you 100% knew the fix actually turned out to be a fix....but a couple of potential cycles from dead-empty, fix again, refill,etc….. really takes the heart out of a pump filler.
So long as it's running/holding air as expected, pretty happy withy the cheap-china-pump.
Been there, done that. Bought a compressor. Still good to have the pump in case of compressor break down. Not too bad on my 200 bar rifle tubes. Would not want to see what’s needed on my 250 bar rifle with only a hand pump!
4-stage hand pump will make pumping higher pressures easier.
But for pumping lower pressures a 3-stage is more efficient.
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Sooner or later everyone is going to have to de-gas and take the PCP apart....then fill from Zero once you think it's leak-proof.
Wouldn't be so bad hand-pumping if what you 100% knew the fix actually turned out to be a fix....but a couple of potential cycles from dead-empty, fix again, refill,etc….. really takes the heart out of a pump filler.
So long as it's running/holding air as expected, pretty happy withy the cheap-china-pump.
Been there, done that. Bought a compressor. Still good to have the pump in case of compressor break down. Not too bad on my 200 bar rifle tubes. Would not want to see what’s needed on my 250 bar rifle with only a hand pump!
4-stage hand pump will make pumping higher pressures easier.
But for pumping lower pressures a 3-stage is more efficient.
Perhaps you could post a link to a reasonably priced 4 stage hand pump?
I can't find one...
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Sooner or later everyone is going to have to de-gas and take the PCP apart....then fill from Zero once you think it's leak-proof.
Wouldn't be so bad hand-pumping if what you 100% knew the fix actually turned out to be a fix....but a couple of potential cycles from dead-empty, fix again, refill,etc….. really takes the heart out of a pump filler.
So long as it's running/holding air as expected, pretty happy withy the cheap-china-pump.
Been there, done that. Bought a compressor. Still good to have the pump in case of compressor break down. Not too bad on my 200 bar rifle tubes. Would not want to see what’s needed on my 250 bar rifle with only a hand pump!
4-stage hand pump will make pumping higher pressures easier.
But for pumping lower pressures a 3-stage is more efficient.
Perhaps you could post a link to a reasonably priced 4 stage hand pump?
I can't find one...
If you look on Amazon or ebay you find chinese pumps that look just like the Hatsan TactAir 4 Stage PCP Hand Pump.
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Sooner or later everyone is going to have to de-gas and take the PCP apart....then fill from Zero once you think it's leak-proof.
Wouldn't be so bad hand-pumping if what you 100% knew the fix actually turned out to be a fix....but a couple of potential cycles from dead-empty, fix again, refill,etc….. really takes the heart out of a pump filler.
So long as it's running/holding air as expected, pretty happy withy the cheap-china-pump.
Been there, done that. Bought a compressor. Still good to have the pump in case of compressor break down. Not too bad on my 200 bar rifle tubes. Would not want to see what’s needed on my 250 bar rifle with only a hand pump!
4-stage hand pump will make pumping higher pressures easier.
But for pumping lower pressures a 3-stage is more efficient.
Perhaps you could post a link to a reasonably priced 4 stage hand pump?
I can't find one...
If you look on Amazon or ebay you find chinese pumps that look just like the Hatsan TactAir 4 Stage PCP Hand Pump.
True, but when you look at the details, it is hard to find one that actually claims to be a true 4 stage pump.
Some even say they are 3 stage pumps in the details.
I guess I am just a little bit wary of 4 stage hand pumps... however, I have been incorrect in the past once or twice. (grin)
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Sooner or later everyone is going to have to de-gas and take the PCP apart....then fill from Zero once you think it's leak-proof.
Wouldn't be so bad hand-pumping if what you 100% knew the fix actually turned out to be a fix....but a couple of potential cycles from dead-empty, fix again, refill,etc….. really takes the heart out of a pump filler.
So long as it's running/holding air as expected, pretty happy withy the cheap-china-pump.
Been there, done that. Bought a compressor. Still good to have the pump in case of compressor break down. Not too bad on my 200 bar rifle tubes. Would not want to see what’s needed on my 250 bar rifle with only a hand pump!
4-stage hand pump will make pumping higher pressures easier.
But for pumping lower pressures a 3-stage is more efficient.
Perhaps you could post a link to a reasonably priced 4 stage hand pump?
I can't find one...
Hatsan makes one, Field Supply has them for $121.49
https://www.fieldsupply.com/hatsan-tactair-4-stage-pcp-hand-pump.html (https://www.fieldsupply.com/hatsan-tactair-4-stage-pcp-hand-pump.html)
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I still have a stainless one still in the box and only used once just to make sure that it works. I also have a TAOUSA behind the seat of my truck for emergencies :D My preference is still my F10 for the larger capacity air tubes though but for something like the Prod, PP700SA and my Varmint (SPA .22) hand pumps are just the ticket, they're about as fast as using a bottle to fill because hooking them up and hand pumping isn't much slower.
Spot on! Mine is maybe 20 months old and going strong. It found a new home in a Loaded Gear rectangular bag made for Ar platform guns. The Prod lives in the gun area and the pump, eye wear, tons of pellets and some basic maintenance gear live with the ChiPump in the slightly smaller front zip "pocket". This has been my go to set up since the Benji online 25% sale (plus other sale codes) on the prods a while back. It's a perfect grab and go set up. And as I come to trust them both more I come to love them both more.
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Ok I found this 4 stage pump that looks the same as the Hatsan …. $75.99
https://www.ebay.com/itm/4500PSI-30mpa-4Stage-High-Pressure-Cycling-Hand-PCP-Pump-Fit-Car-Motorcycle/133073198225?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D225073%26meid%3D060af6670ceb4a53876d72a3f6ca0bd6%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dco%26sd%3D223789311430%26itm%3D133073198225%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv5PairwiseWeb&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/4500PSI-30mpa-4Stage-High-Pressure-Cycling-Hand-PCP-Pump-Fit-Car-Motorcycle/133073198225?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D225073%26meid%3D060af6670ceb4a53876d72a3f6ca0bd6%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dco%26sd%3D223789311430%26itm%3D133073198225%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv5PairwiseWeb&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851)
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Ok I found this 4 stage pump that looks the same as the Hatsan …. $75.99
https://www.ebay.com/itm/4500PSI-30mpa-4Stage-High-Pressure-Cycling-Hand-PCP-Pump-Fit-Car-Motorcycle/133073198225?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D225073%26meid%3D060af6670ceb4a53876d72a3f6ca0bd6%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dco%26sd%3D223789311430%26itm%3D133073198225%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv5PairwiseWeb&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/4500PSI-30mpa-4Stage-High-Pressure-Cycling-Hand-PCP-Pump-Fit-Car-Motorcycle/133073198225?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D225073%26meid%3D060af6670ceb4a53876d72a3f6ca0bd6%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dco%26sd%3D223789311430%26itm%3D133073198225%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv5PairwiseWeb&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851)
And the guage does read green up to 300 bar:
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/YLYAAOSwV7Nc9aaC/s-l1600.jpg)
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Here is a video by Aveng Shang (who in the comments mentions he works for Zypcpump.com) comparing 4 stage to 3 stage filling a 300cc bottle from 0 psi to 1000 PSI:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWrmjlIyByI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWrmjlIyByI)
The amount of pumps necessary dropped from 110 for the 3 stage to 94 for the 4-stage.
As noted in the video the circumference of the 4 stage pump tube is larger by 13.6% (10 cm vs. 8.8cm). This works out to be 29% greater swept volume.
P.S. Here is a link to the 4 stage hand pump--> http://zypcppump.com/product/4-stage-4500psi-high-pressure-hand-operated-pcp-pump-for-cylinder/ (http://zypcppump.com/product/4-stage-4500psi-high-pressure-hand-operated-pcp-pump-for-cylinder/)
(It does look exactly the same as the 4-stage pump we have seen on ebay.)
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Dam. well, now I feel like a butt for getting the hill. Still May grab one the china pumps as a backup.
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Here is a video by Aveng Shang (who in the comments mentions he works for Zypcpump.com) comparing 4 stage to 3 stage filling a 300cc bottle from 0 psi to 1000 PSI:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWrmjlIyByI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWrmjlIyByI)
The amount of pumps necessary dropped from 110 for the 3 stage to 94 for the 4-stage.
As noted in the video the circumference of the 4 stage pump tube is larger by 13.6% (10 cm vs. 8.8cm). This works out to be 29% greater swept volume.
P.S. Here is a link to the 4 stage hand pump--> http://zypcppump.com/product/4-stage-4500psi-high-pressure-hand-operated-pcp-pump-for-cylinder/ (http://zypcppump.com/product/4-stage-4500psi-high-pressure-hand-operated-pcp-pump-for-cylinder/)
(It does look exactly the same as the 4-stage pump we have seen on ebay.)
HA ! HA ! I was just laughing my @r$$ off watching that poor little guy in high speed video pumping that tank to death to just 1000 psi over , and over … defiantly the Fred Flintstone method …. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I have 2 China pumps but only used to one I left at my dads to fill his gun twice and the other one I take with me in my vehicle just in case. I recently converted my Leshiy to a .25 slug gun and decided to give the China pump a workout. Been pumping to 300b for several days now and it’s not my Hill but it’s doing just fine. Screws kept falling out of the folding foot things so I put some blue loc-tite on them tonight. It doesn’t seem to take any more pumps than my Hill to fill the gun. Just more wobble and not as planted as my Hill when pumping.
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Has anyone come up with a list of o-rings needed to do a full rebuild? I'm trying to find the kits on eBay and haven't seen any in a while or they want 30bucks for 1 set of rings.
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I've always wanted to get a chinese pump and automate it
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I've always wanted to get a chinese pump and automate it
that might be the next thing to market ...a machine that pumps the hand pump ;D ;D ;), maybe 2 at the same time , heck it might be cheaper in the long run than the other cheap cheesy china compressors that are throw away units , all you would have to do is replace the 40-50 buck hand pump's ,or re o ring rebuild , I wonder how many hours 1 of these pumps could go at a slow rate of speed to reduce heat/wear ???
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Dam. well, now I feel like a butt for getting the hill. Still May grab one the china pumps as a backup.
You should keep the HILL as a back up and the Wonderful China pump as the main work horse, the HILL will develop pittings and need a re-build way before Wander China,.....and as I mentioned a HILL re-build kit cost just about as much as a Chinese pump.
Even better sell the HILL and use the money to get 4-5 China pumps :) :)
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I've bought 3 hand pumps, the first one (Benjamin) died in about 6 months, second one a TAOUSA still working good and a third Chinese backup, still waiting for use if needed.
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One trick I used to do when I was shooting a lot and had a bunch of pumps ( 8 at one time )
I used to only pump 25 strokes then change pump and keep rotating, that way they never got hot.
That way you can fill a lot of guns with no worries nor downtime to let the pump cool down.
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Speaking of "China pumps", I just watched a Youtuber named Afro Sniper X, say that the Hatsan 3 stage pump is much easier to pump than a Chinese. Any truth to that? I'd send more for an easier to work pump if so....
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Got my $42 China pump almost exactly 2 years ago. Been using it a couple times a week filling 180/230/255 cc rifles. Mostly 50-60 pumps per set then a brief rest to cool. Went to pump up my AT44-short last night and the pump finally misbehaved.
Never had it apart before so I was a little intimidated at first. Not difficult at all. After tearing down and repairing a couple of those no warranty Freedom pumper rifles, this stand alone pump was EASY!
The o-rings were still in good shape so all it really needed was a good cleaning. Wiped off lots of old gunky oil and a few drops of water, lubed everything with some silicone oil, then put it all back together. Works like new.
IMO that's the best $42 I've spent on this airgun addiction hobby !
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Got my $42 China pump almost exactly 2 years ago. Been using it a couple times a week filling 180/230/255 cc rifles. Mostly 50-60 pumps per set then a brief rest to cool. Went to pump up my AT44-short last night and the pump finally misbehaved.
Never had it apart before so I was a little intimidated at first. Not difficult at all. After tearing down and repairing a couple of those no warranty Freedom pumper rifles, this stand alone pump was EASY!
The o-rings were still in good shape so all it really needed was a good cleaning. Wiped off lots of old gunky oil and a few drops of water, lubed everything with some silicone oil, then put it all back together. Works like new.
IMO that's the best $42 I've spent on this airgun addiction hobby !
Correct my friend, best investment you can make PCP related and super easy to work on.
if you just open the pump every 6 months or so and clean and re-lube those China wonders go a long way :) :)
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Speaking of "China pumps", I just watched a Youtuber named Afro Sniper X, say that the Hatsan 3 stage pump is much easier to pump than a Chinese. Any truth to that? I'd send more for an easier to work pump if so....
How much easier is easier ?.......Easier is not necessary always better.
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I have a tank for my PCP's...
But considering to buy a China pump as well. I am planning to charge my PCP's the first shooting session from my tank and then when my POI starts to drop, recharge from there. It will save me some pumping up to the first unusable pressure limits.
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I have a tank for my PCP's...
But considering to buy a China pump as well. I am planning to charge my PCP's the first shooting session from my tank and then when my POI starts to drop, recharge from there. It will save me some pumping up to the first unusable pressure limits.
Also you can stretch your tank, when it goes under full pressure you can still use it a bunch of times and just top of with the pump.
Bet you you can stretch you tank many, many fill like that.
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Is this the favorite?
I don't see any $40, most are $100 or more.
https://www.amazon.com/Caredy-Hand-Pressure-Stage-Tires/dp/B07SWQNQBF/ref=sr_1_171?dchild=1&keywords=HPA+pump&qid=1586530680&s=sporting-goods&sr=1-171 (https://www.amazon.com/Caredy-Hand-Pressure-Stage-Tires/dp/B07SWQNQBF/ref=sr_1_171?dchild=1&keywords=HPA+pump&qid=1586530680&s=sporting-goods&sr=1-171)
Hunter
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Is this the favorite?
I don't see any $40, most are $100 or more.
https://www.amazon.com/Caredy-Hand-Pressure-Stage-Tires/dp/B07SWQNQBF/ref=sr_1_171?dchild=1&keywords=HPA+pump&qid=1586530680&s=sporting-goods&sr=1-171 (https://www.amazon.com/Caredy-Hand-Pressure-Stage-Tires/dp/B07SWQNQBF/ref=sr_1_171?dchild=1&keywords=HPA+pump&qid=1586530680&s=sporting-goods&sr=1-171)
Hunter
I was tempted on that one last night. Big downer is the delivery date June 1-22.
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Aww shucks man, that gives it time for the carona virus to die.
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I just couldn't find the $40 pump that I keep hearing about.
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They were common on Amazon and Ebay for $40-$50 BEFORE the pandemic. Selection has dropped and prices have spiked since the beginning of this year.
AFAIK they are all have similar (not identical) construction and function. There are differences between various models with the specific connections and accessories (filters or not).
Mine was from a China seller with US warehouse stock. Received it 04/2018 less than a week after ordering. I still see some on Ebay for that lower price, but they are all from a China warehouse with uncertain (read LONG) delivery times.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/400bar-40mpa-Hand-Operated-Inflator-Pump-Mini-High-Pressure-Compressor-with-V6Y8/293514671168 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/400bar-40mpa-Hand-Operated-Inflator-Pump-Mini-High-Pressure-Compressor-with-V6Y8/293514671168)
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Aww shucks man, that gives it time for the carona virus to die.
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I just couldn't find the $40 pump that I keep hearing about.
Wally World had this one:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Fugacal-High-Pressure-4500psi-Tungsten-Steel-3-Stage-Hand-Pump-for-PCP-Air-Gun-Boat-Tire-Ball-3-Stage-Hand-Pump-Tungsten-Steel-Hand-Pump/776702514 (https://www.walmart.com/ip/Fugacal-High-Pressure-4500psi-Tungsten-Steel-3-Stage-Hand-Pump-for-PCP-Air-Gun-Boat-Tire-Ball-3-Stage-Hand-Pump-Tungsten-Steel-Hand-Pump/776702514)
(Well, it was in stock three days ago......sorry)
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I have a tank for my PCP's...
But considering to buy a China pump as well. I am planning to charge my PCP's the first shooting session from my tank and then when my POI starts to drop, recharge from there. It will save me some pumping up to the first unusable pressure limits.
Also you can stretch your tank, when it goes under full pressure you can still use it a bunch of times and just top of with the pump.
Bet you you can stretch you tank many, many fill like that.
Good catch, yes that is an interesting thought - might be even better, have not thought about that one yet ;)
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Aww shucks man, that gives it time for the carona virus to die.
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I just couldn't find the $40 pump that I keep hearing about.
You might try HPA hand pumps at fleabay. There are some cheaper options that may/may not work. Those are listed in for SCUBA and snorkling. Some (like the Australians) won't ship to North America. Those guys down under are smart. Hand pumps could be the answer to the ventilator crisis? Who knows? Some will lure you in with a $36 price and when you make your selection it jumps to $89!
I bought a DIDEEP Scuba Diving Oxygen Air Tank Reserve Hand Pump Mini Operated Inflator US out of Altadena, CA last night at $49, currently they list at $53. (7 Available).....
Since I'm new to PCP, can't lie. I don't know 100% they will work until everything arrives. Had I known pumps were going to be at a premium, yeah I would have bought as many cheapos as possible and then opened my own store! ;D
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I have 3 still brand new in boxes :) :) :)
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I have 3 still brand new in boxes :) :) :)
You're all set to make this Homemade PCP pump compressor.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uROLCyQBNk0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uROLCyQBNk0)
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I have 3 still brand new in boxes :) :) :)
You're all set to make this Homemade PCP pump compressor.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uROLCyQBNk0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uROLCyQBNk0)
honestly after looking up the motor used.. this is fairly easy to make at about 70-80 bucks give or take.. i'm now looking into making a stand lol
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I have 3 still brand new in boxes :) :) :)
You're all set to make this Homemade PCP pump compressor.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uROLCyQBNk0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uROLCyQBNk0)
honestly after looking up the motor used.. this is fairly easy to make at about 70-80 bucks give or take.. i'm now looking into making a stand lol
I'm confused by the motor. I have some extra steppers laying around for replacements on the CNC. Would those work?
There is also this one.....(as you see I'm looking at options for a homemade compressor if worst comes to it)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-8EkHfEXo0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-8EkHfEXo0)
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I have 3 still brand new in boxes :) :) :)
You're all set to make this Homemade PCP pump compressor.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uROLCyQBNk0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uROLCyQBNk0)
honestly after looking up the motor used.. this is fairly easy to make at about 70-80 bucks give or take.. i'm now looking into making a stand lol
I wonder if that same motor would work with a 4-stage pump to make 4500 PSI?
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I wonder if that same motor would work with a 4-stage pump to make 4500 PSI?[/quote]
Good question. Some airless sprayers develop/use high pressure. The old Wagner Paint Crew system in the shed shows a PSI of 2800 (193 Bars) with a 3/8HP motor. There should be a way to use that compressor and pump system to make that system into a working PCP filler.
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I have 3 still brand new in boxes :) :) :)
You're all set to make this Homemade PCP pump compressor.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uROLCyQBNk0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uROLCyQBNk0)
honestly after looking up the motor used.. this is fairly easy to make at about 70-80 bucks give or take.. i'm now looking into making a stand lol
I'm confused by the motor. I have some extra steppers laying around for replacements on the CNC. Would those work?
There is also this one.....(as you see I'm looking at options for a homemade compressor if worst comes to it)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-8EkHfEXo0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-8EkHfEXo0)
how big of a cnc, we talking home made so small steppers like for 3d printing or larger?
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I have 3 still brand new in boxes :) :) :)
You're all set to make this Homemade PCP pump compressor.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uROLCyQBNk0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uROLCyQBNk0)
honestly after looking up the motor used.. this is fairly easy to make at about 70-80 bucks give or take.. i'm now looking into making a stand lol
I wonder if that same motor would work with a 4-stage pump to make 4500 PSI?
Should, its nearly the same force as a 3 stage when it comes to that.
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Some leverage devices in action:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2p8_0Hco70 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2p8_0Hco70)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jfp5o6B5TU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jfp5o6B5TU)
I think with either of these a 4-stage pump could easily be used for 5500 PSI.
http://zypcppump.com/what-different-between-3-stage-and-4-stage-hand-pcp-pump/ (http://zypcppump.com/what-different-between-3-stage-and-4-stage-hand-pcp-pump/)
Zhongyan 3 stage up to 4500psi is special design for airgun cylinder, stainless steel construction, cooled liquid filled can keep the hand pump in low temperature and the liquid will not be frozen even -20℃.
There is a better pump than 3 stage hand pump, that is 4 stage pump. The biggest different between 3 stage and 4 stage is the CONSTRUCTION. The 3 stage pump included total three tubes, but four tube the 4 stage have. It can makes the 4 stage pump up to 5000 or 5500 psi, and that will be more easy to fill a cylinder.
Usually, the max pressure of airgun cylinder can be held is 4500psi, but as a professional pcp pump manufacturer, we suggest 3000psi filled is enough for airgun cylinder. 4500psi is a very high pressure, if you fill 4500psi to cylinder every time, the lifetime of pcp pump will be shorten.
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Zy PC Pump.com website has been down for about a week. It looks like they didn't re-register their domain name.
(Zy PC Pump is the maker of the chinese hand pump we commonly see)
I hope they do come back.
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I wonder if that same motor would work with a 4-stage pump to make 4500 PSI?
Good question. Some airless sprayers develop/use high pressure. The old Wagner Paint Crew system in the shed shows a PSI of 2800 (193 Bars) with a 3/8HP motor. There should be a way to use that compressor and pump system to make that system into a working PCP filler.
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Wouldn't that turn my airgun into a paintball gun?
Hunter
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$%&&*. I made it to this thread WAY TOO LATE.
Paid $213 for an AirForce pump. Wish I'd seen this.
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The Mophorn was back on Amazon for a couple weeks at 66 bucks, I'm waiting for them to be on Prime because shipping is a Killer to the Islands.
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I bough a bunch of guns lately so I've been doing a lot of shooting,
I can't praise enough this Great China pump, it just keeps going with zero problems, zero signs of any pitting on metals ( My many HILLs by now would all have plenty pitting )
I did end up buying this :
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07M8LBMN4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_image_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07M8LBMN4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_image_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
cheap enough for extra insurance and can be moved from pump to pump in a second.
Waiting for the Mophorn to come back up in the 50 bucks range and Prime to get me one,
....and still keeping my 3 TOUSA in boxes, I open them up few weeks back and did a little silicone rub on them and re-boxed the up :) :)
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Can you boost them with a shop compressor?
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Can you boost them with a shop compressor?
Yes: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=172691.msg155967221#msg155967221 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=172691.msg155967221#msg155967221)
and
Yes: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=174642.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=174642.0)
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Hahaha trying to automate the hand pump,
.....Gotta stay with the purity of making the air for your guns :) :) :) :)
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Hahaha trying to automate the hand pump,
.....Gotta stay with the purity of making the air for your guns :) :) :) :)
Concur 100%.
I did- however- just get a compressor. Tendonitis + arthtritis got severe enough in my left elbow I had to get acupuncture. Can't even do push-ups or dips now, and handpumping past 205 Bar is a no-go (that's the most I can do with my Toausa 1-handed). Next time I see the hand-pumps on Prime drop below $50 I'll get a spare.
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Speaking of "China pumps", I just watched a Youtuber named Afro Sniper X, say that the Hatsan 3 stage pump is much easier to pump than a Chinese. Any truth to that? I'd send more for an easier to work pump if so....
My first pump was a Hatsan. Very heavy, hard to pump, very clunky, would rust very quickly. This was a one stage pump.
The new Hatsan 3-stage looks just like a chinese pump. Same as the Diana pump, the Webley pump or the Air Venturi pump. All just rebranded chinese pumps imo.
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I agree Ron. If you look closely at all this pumps you listed, you can only say they look all very much alike.
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I remember those old Hatsan pumps I had 2 of them :) :) :) ......Heaaavy and yes they would rust very, very quickly.
I think you are right, same derivation and re-branded with all kinds of names :)
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Out of curiosity I looked and it doesn't seem like they are "cheap" anymore. Seems like all over $100?
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Yeah if you look at Amazon, the trend for the cheap China pumps is slowly faiding away, and is more heading towards $60,70, 80 and 100. Even that has come to an end. I have bought one as backup about 4 months ago for about $48 around and that one was hard to find.
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They'll come back,......both in availability and low price,
just give it some time for things to settle :) :)
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Out of curiosity I looked and it doesn't seem like they are "cheap" anymore. Seems like all over $100?
Depends on where you find them. Sometimes EBay has the best deal, sometimes Amazon. You can also try Ali-Express. A couple summers ago, they were available for under $40; I should have bought several, but my Taousa has been used very heavily and still remains perfect. Up until very recently, I was a dedicated handpumper. I'll likely be buying another China-Pump once the COVID-thing stops impacting everything and prices settle back. heck, I'll probably buy another HP compressor, too- I'll need to if I get Sonja the Leshiy 2.
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Can you boost them with a shop compressor?
Yes: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=172691.msg155967221#msg155967221 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=172691.msg155967221#msg155967221)
and
Yes: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=174642.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=174642.0)
This should also work with SCBA or nitrogen tank as inputs. This provided a very low pressure regulator is used.
In this way a person could use a SCBA or nitrogen tank with a lower than useful pressure to boost the pressure in another SCBA tank.
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Guys today I decided to take my chinese pump apart since it has been really difficult to up/downstroke, made grindy noises and also leaked air.
Turns out only that little green piston o-ring was damaged. Replaced it with the spare of my old hatsan pump, cleaned and relubed with silicone oil.
It works like its brand new now, very consistent on every stroke.
Has anyone filled his up with water/antifreeze? Have seen people doing it on Youtube.
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Guys today I decided to take my chinese pump apart since it has been really difficult to up/downstroke, made grindy noises and also leaked air.
Turns out only that little green piston o-ring was damaged. Replaced it with the spare of my old hatsan pump, cleaned and relubed with silicone oil.
It works like its brand new now, very consistent on every stroke.
Has anyone filled his up with water/antifreeze? Have seen people doing it on Youtube.
Fantastic,
those cheap pumps are really something.
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Starting to see them slowly coming back on Amazon, slowly cheaper and cheaper
Today's best
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07YZG8DQF/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A26MPTBF6JQNP1&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07YZG8DQF/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A26MPTBF6JQNP1&psc=1)
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In DE we start to see them below 50 again.
Manny, whats the correct setting for that little valve screw with the oring?
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after my last repair its difficult to pull on the upstroke
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Sorry, I'm definitely not the best person to answer technical questions :) :) LOL
Honestly, I don't even know what screw you're referring to :) :)
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Hello,
For having also a 3 stage china pump, I have to agree that for the price it's a blast (like the YH compressor). I also had the final stage check valve o-ring that was used and was really easy to replace.
Compared to the FX 4 stage turbo pump, the chinese one is much easier to repair. You can open everything easily with fork wrenches and other pliers wrenches. Every seal is done with o-rings, there's no glue or whatever as found on the FX one where you need to heat some places.
Now I've seen that there's also a Chinese 4 stage version, what about this one? Has anyone tested it? I find it quite expensive compared to the 3 stage one. It's almost the price of a Hill pump... (though it could be superior to it in quality ;D)
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Now that I have a Huben I'm in the market for a pump to get to 5k without spending a lot. Need all extra $$$ for ammo now ;D. There are a few 5k pumps, want to hear first hand experiences first tho.
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Has anyone filled his up with water/antifreeze? Have seen people doing it on Youtube.
Ron, I've added some antifreeze in the middle tube. It helps keeping the inner high pressure tube cool by adding thermal mass, now the outer low pressure tube gets hot faster than the high pressure tube. In case of leak from the bottom side, the antifreeze would come out rather than going inside of the pumped air.