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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Projectiles => Pellet Review Gate => Topic started by: shibumei on February 09, 2019, 10:23:13 AM
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Anyone shot these and if so, how was the accuracy, consistency, etc...
I think these are around 19gr.. I'm gonna order some up but hoped for some feedback before...
Ultra Heavy grain weight for increase Kinetic Energy
Devastating knock down power and accuracy
33% more weight than the standard Crosman .22 domed premier pellet
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Oops, I don't think they are available yet for orders. Grrrr!
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sure will be glad when they are available if there anything like the 14.3gr
domed ultra mags in accuracy, my taipan veteran luvs'um 8)
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That is exactly what I was thinking also. Ultra Mags work really well in several of my guns. Interesting shape though...
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Where did you see information about this pellet? All my searches bring up the 14.3 ultra dome pellets.
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ON page 58 of the interactive catalog on Crosman home page...
https://www.crosman.com/catalog-2019 (https://www.crosman.com/catalog-2019)
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ON page 58 of the interactive catalog on Crosman home page...
https://www.crosman.com/catalog-2019 (https://www.crosman.com/catalog-2019)
Thanks. I hope they shoot well. I've had great results with the 14.3 domes in many guns.
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BTW Gary a group of us routinely shoot in Lithonia, near Stone Mountain. You are welcome to join us if you want. We usually shoot on Sundays.
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They must be making them out of gold or something. $12.95 for 200, I'll stick with JSB.
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Haha, if that's representative of the actual selling price, it's borderline insulting to serious shooters.
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Crosman does not give the weight of this heavy pellet.
They better bring the price down.What a joke. :D
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Crosman does not give the weight of this heavy pellet.
They better bring the price down.What a joke. :D
page 58 states 19gr like gary mentioned earlier for more info.....but your right, that price that was quoted needs to come down :o
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Yes, Tim, they do give the weight in the catalogue, but not on the website. 19 grains. .22 caliber 200 count. $12.95
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I'm think the $12.99 price on Crosman's page for the LDHP226p is not the price we will find at good retailers. Crosman's price for the Ultra Mags and Benjamin .25 domes are $14.99 ? Bud's (today) sells these for $6.48 and $7.07 respectively so I would take the $12.99 price with a grain of salt. I'm betting the LDHP226P will be found in the $6 - $7 range at actual discount retailers. They may start higher but come down in time as the market allows.
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BTW Gary a group of us routinely shoot in Lithonia, near Stone Mountain. You are welcome to join us if you want. We usually shoot on Sundays.
Thank you Norman for the invite. It would be great to meet some fellow shooters and one of the hopes I had when joining the forums. Lately I have been consumed with work (and a clingy girlfriend) on most weekends but hope there will be light at the end of the tunnel in the coming weeks. I've also been in the market for a portable air supply as I'm just direct filling from China compressor these days. Thanks again!
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I'm glad to see they're making some heavier .22 pellets, hopefully they shoot good.
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BTW Gary a group of us routinely shoot in Lithonia, near Stone Mountain. You are welcome to join us if you want. We usually shoot on Sundays.
Thank you Norman for the invite. It would be great to meet some fellow shooters and one of the hopes I had when joining the forums. Lately I have been consumed with work (and a clingy girlfriend) on most weekends but hope there will be light at the end of the tunnel in the coming weeks. I've also been in the market for a portable air supply as I'm just direct filling from China compressor these days. Thanks again!
Ok. You don't have to worry about air if you come. We bring plenty of tanks and we have a very large selection of PCPs. :)
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like a bunch of folks up there, the CPUM Domes shoot very well out of my rifle. Actually, almost all of the Benji/Crosman selections shoot well. The only exceptions are the Destroyers (mediocre) and the Pointed (mediocre), although I will admit that the Destroyers were being shot when the gun was still being broken in and the barrel was not seasoned. I'm somewhat tempted to pick up a tin and see how they work now that Maggy is broken in and the barrel is more or less accurate.
If these heavies come out, I'm more than likely picking up a tin. The 18gr Baracuda HE also shoot very nicely, so I think a 19 grain will be a very nice compromise between the 18g and 21g pellets.
Definitely looking forward to this new offering.
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Looks like you can now order these on Crosman.com... I think I'll wait to either find a lower price or hear some really good feedback... cost plus shipping to rich for my blood at the moment.
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Looks like you can now order these on Crosman.com... I think I'll wait to either find a lower price or hear some really good feedback... cost plus shipping to rich for my blood at the moment.
Shipping is $16.14 for 1 $12.99 tin...... :o
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setting aside the fact that Crosman will not ship out here either (gotta love living in paradise), they'd better be some hella accurate pellets. 17 bucks to ship a 13 dollar tin?
I'm almost tempted to look into casting my own. :(
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Guy on Gunbroker is selling for $13.10 a tin shipped. Just bought one tin to get a taste.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/804250950 (https://www.gunbroker.com/item/804250950)
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$8.23 for a can of 200 at Wholesale Hunter. :D
https://www.wholesalehunter.com/Product/Details/11357730 (https://www.wholesalehunter.com/Product/Details/11357730)
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Unfortunately it's $11.50 to shipping one tin to the state next door, unfortunately. $13.50 to ship 2 tins...total of $30 for 400 pellets. I'd like to try them but not that much :)
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Got a tin delivered and shot a couple mags thru gen2 marauder. It was pretty gusty so groupings were not very good @40 yards but seemed okay under the conditions. The tin is delivered in the standard Premier tin with the blister packaging. First thing I noticed was loading the mag. The pellets had to be pushed down so the skirts seem to be bit wider than the Ultra mags or even the 5.53 Barracudas. Don't have a pellet separator but two out of ten did not require pushing down if that speaks any to the uniformity. I know this info is about useless but just wanted to give my first impression. I'll try again as soon as the wind cooperates and hopefully the groups will tighten. All in all I'm optimistic as I shot a mag of 5.53 Barracudas that do well in this gun right after with only slightly tighter groups. Hopefully the winds will be calm in the next couple days and I'll shoot the tin with this and other guns and update..
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Another seller, at a cheaper price yet:
$6.83
https://www.gunsmidwest.com/crosman-premier-22-caliber-19gr-domed-ultra-pellets-per-200.html (https://www.gunsmidwest.com/crosman-premier-22-caliber-19gr-domed-ultra-pellets-per-200.html)
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Another seller, at a cheaper price yet:
$6.83
https://www.gunsmidwest.com/crosman-premier-22-caliber-19gr-domed-ultra-pellets-per-200.html (https://www.gunsmidwest.com/crosman-premier-22-caliber-19gr-domed-ultra-pellets-per-200.html)
thanks for that info !!! i ordered a 4 tins to try.... shipping $9 8)
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Another seller, at a cheaper price yet:
$6.83
https://www.gunsmidwest.com/crosman-premier-22-caliber-19gr-domed-ultra-pellets-per-200.html (https://www.gunsmidwest.com/crosman-premier-22-caliber-19gr-domed-ultra-pellets-per-200.html)
Added to my list of favorites....thanks! They also have a BT65 in .22 for about $374.00. Sounds like a good price to me!
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I am a little surprised that this item cannot yet be found at the more typical retailers such as PyramidAir, Buds, MidwayUSA, etc... What's up with that?
Did find this bargain on Ebay and shipping is free! I'll take a dozen...Lol
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Crosman-Premier-22-Caliber-19grain-Domed-Ultra-Pellets-200-count/352617451924?epid=10030419625&hash=item5219a35194:g:350AAOSwbTJcip9R (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Crosman-Premier-22-Caliber-19grain-Domed-Ultra-Pellets-200-count/352617451924?epid=10030419625&hash=item5219a35194:g:350AAOSwbTJcip9R)
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Intereseting pellets. Let us know accuracy for rifle distances 50+
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Since this thread was already here, I'll just post my results. I tried these in 6 different air rifles:
1. Hatsan AT44
2. Evanix Air Speed
3. Benjamin Marauder
4. Marauder Pistol
5. SPA PR900W
6. Benjamin NP Trail
As you can see below, the Crosman air rifle did do better than the others, although the PR900W and AT44 weren't too bad... The Evanix Air Speed was the worst! I had high hopes for ir since it does really well with the 14.3 Crosman Domes. It was extremely windy when I was shooting, so the wind probably contributed to the grouping. These were 5 shots from each rifle using a tripod rest at 37 yards.
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Wind died down this evening so I pulled the Mrod out and tried these again. I have to say, this was much better than this morning! Amazing how much wind messes with your shooting! Below are two 5 shot groups at 37 yards from a tripod rest. The targets are 3" diameter target. The second group was much tighter, with the exception of one flyer. These may have some potential! I hope to do some chrony testing tomorrow.
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Ran some of these over the Chrony this morning. Just had time for the Hatsan AT44 and the Mrod. Here are the results:
AT44:
High: 972
Low: 964
Avg: 968.8
FPE: 39.65
ES: 8
Mrod:
High: 857
Low: 854
Avg: 854.8
FPE: 30.87
ES: 3
There was no wind this morning, so the AT44 did much better than the first time, but still not as good as the Mrod, which was producing nice tight groups again this morning! I think these will do well on the Mrod!
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Thanks for sharing your results... will be trying them in my Maximus, Urban and Buccaneer by june...
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I saw them at Walmart online for a little over $9. I'm still with JSBs because at 500 pieces for $15.40 at AoA with a free tin if you buy 4 tins, they are still a lot more cost effective. Plus, I know they work with most of my 22 cals.
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I shot the new Crosmans yesterday out of my P-Rod. They shot very well! Two mags (16 shots) into a ragged hole @ 27yds. I like 'em!
Even though I spent half the day chronying the new .20 JSBs with my two 'Dans, I did not chrony the 19g Crosmans. Perhaps another time.
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I shot the new Crosmans yesterday out of my P-Rod. They shot very well! Two mags (16 shots) into a ragged hole @ 27yds. I like 'em!
Even though I spent half the day chronying the new .20 JSBs with my two 'Dans, I did not chrony the 19g Crosmans. Perhaps another time.
They do tend to do better in air guns made by Crosman! Go figure... LOL!
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My next test will be in my Marauder.
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Looks like you can now order these on Crosman.com... I think I'll wait to either find a lower price or hear some really good feedback... cost plus shipping to rich for my blood at the moment.
Shipping is $16.14 for 1 $12.99 tin...... :o
Good grief! Yea I will stick with JSB's for now.
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Thanks for sharing results guys... I still wonder a bit about longer ranges because of the head being a bit flattened compared to a true hemispherical head... but..? also wonder about how deep the skirt is...
Look like it will be 10.99 for 200 at P.A. ... which is just a bit more than than the JSB 18.1g... maybe in time they will drop a bit in price to match the H&N Cudas at 7.99
They are cheaper than most of the really heavy stuff.. ;)
So yep will be ordering some towards the begining of may... Need some Eun Jin domed for my new $219 AT long... it loves them and am almost out..also need to pick up some JSB beast to try in it ... I do not know why but it hates the redesigned monsters... need to get some of the original monsters maybe they will do well...
was waiting for P.A. and figured they would be getting them in... says 4-29
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-premier-22-cal-19-grains-domed-200ct?p=1513 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-premier-22-cal-19-grains-domed-200ct?p=1513)
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Ok, help me wrap my head around this one ..... :-\
I've bought Chinese pellets (for REAL cheap) and - of course - they are doodoo!
Purchased multiple Gamo pellets, and except for some specialty ones (heavy, or brass tipped) most of my guns DON'T like them very much ....
Used Crosman CPHP, Domes, (Piranha - not so good) and most shoot reasonably well.
H&N most shoot well through MY guns.
JSBs (and AA) 15.89 and 18.1 ... shoot FANTASTIC through ANY of my guns. :D
Now Crosman has a NEW heavy pellet (made in the US), an the CHEAPEST I found (still NOT available) is $10.99 for 200 ..... BUT, I can get IMPORTED JSB 18.1 - which I know they shoot great - for the same price for 250! ..... :o
That's actually 22% cheaper/per pellet .... for local pellets COMPARED to one the industry standard IMPORTED pellet ... ??? :o ::)
So ... is it ME? or is there something terribly wrong here???? :-\ :-\
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TJ, you're 100% spot on as far as I'm concerned. They can sell some at the high price while they're new and people are interested in trying them but they aren't going to sell well over the long term unless the price comes down well below quality pellets from JSB and H&N. Crosman's pellets have to compete on price. They don't compete on quality.
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My Buccaneer .177 says different... Not only are the 10.3 Cpum more accurate than any other pellet so far... I can pickthem up locally and when I picked them up they were only ~5$ for 500...
The .22 Maximus I have cloverleafs 14.3 CPHP @ the same 5-6 bucks a tin...
My buccaneer .22 well it does love the JSB 15g best.. ;)
After lead work my .25 Mrod sends the 27g Benji very close to The Kings...
lets see as an introductary price the 19g are 1 cents more each than the JSB 18g... and I have been reading about probs from tin to tin on the 18g jsb...
HMM...
also remember we have to import lead in the U.S. now days...
so yeah to me sometimes JSB is best and H&N are good to... But some shoot like doo doo in my rifles... Just like other brands each rifle will like what it likes...
So yeah the JSB 10.3 need to come down on price cause they just do not compete on accuracy or availability or price.. ;)
the Crosman pellet are much cheaper usually and do not have to pay shipping...
I did finally find a rifle that tolerates the Piranhas... My .22 Buc...
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Every gun is different, in fact no two guns are the same!
With my Gauntlet in .22 cabler.
At 33 yards, targets on the left Crossman Premiere Domes, on the right JSB Jumbo Heavies.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7850/47421995242_0fce4b3067_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ffw82C)20190326_183603 (https://flic.kr/p/2ffw82C) by Tom Whit (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152306872@N04/), on Flickr
Don't know what else to say.
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Kirby, I'm genuinely happy for you that Crosman pellets are performing well. I fondly remember the days when they did likewise for me. Both the CPHP and CPUM in both calibers. Most tins would produce 1/2" groups at 25 yards in most of my rifles and perhaps 1 in 4 production lots would dance around MoA. Unfortunately that ended somewhere around late 2013 / early 2014. I still buy some every few weeks, thinking maybe somewhere along the way I'll catch a good lot but I realize now it has been a 5 year drought. I've even purchased the boxed (die-marked) pellets on 3 occasions and each of those produced mediocre groups as well.
Most of them just won't produce any sort of useful group at 25 yards but the ones that drive me crazy are the ones that want to group into a tight cluster but have one or two that ruin it. Some examples:
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=5844) (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=5845) (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=5846)
I couldn't be sure why it was happening the first few times but it has repeated so many times now with different tins and different rifles that I know it's not the nut behind the trigger.
But even after all this, there was still some doubt in the back of my mind. Then last fall I was visiting my uncle and he had a tin of .22 CPHP that I'd given him years ago, marked July 2013. He wasn't using them so I brought them home and put them against a couple of newer tins and sure enough, it was a night and day difference:
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=6080)
Here's a markup with the group sizes:
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=6082)
The two newer tins show the sort of thing I've come to expect...they look like they either want to stack into two distinct groups (leftmost group) or give an errant shot that would be tempting to call a flier (the second group). But look at our old pellets from 2013, a nice MoA group. The JSB on the right was a control group.
So I'm glad they are working well for some of you guys but I stand by my statements that they've slipped quite a distance from where they were a few years ago. At 1/2 to 2/3 the price of JSB, that's understandable. But if they think they can charge more than JSB, well they've lost their minds.
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I'm thinking the bean counters came up with that number, after all they had to re-tool and get new dies etc. So they decided to make up that 'loss' in the first few thousand tins they sell, if they sell.
Pretty sure the price will have to come down to be competitive.
How well they (pardon the pun) stack up against JSB heavies has yet to be seen.
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Looks like you can now order these on Crosman.com... I think I'll wait to either find a lower price or hear some really good feedback... cost plus shipping to rich for my blood at the moment.
Shipping is $16.14 for 1 $12.99 tin...... :o
Good grief! Yea I will stick with JSB's for now.
Walmart has them now. $9.47 ea. Got mine Friday.
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How well they (pardon the pun) stack up against JSB heavies has yet to be seen.
Here's how they stack up against the JSB 18.13 grain pellets. The JSB's are on the left, the Crosman 19 grain pellets are on the right. These two 5 shot strings were both shot from my .22 Mrod from a tripod rest. The distance is 37 yards.
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Walmart has them now. $9.47 ea. Got mine Friday.
Actually, since WM will not carry them in my neck of the woods ..... I can order ... $ 16.39 for 200 ...... OR 18.99 for 500 JSB heavy 18.13 ....
Naaah .... I'll stick to my JSBs until Crosman wakes up ...
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If you read the Walmart page I linked, it says "Sold & shipped by Walmart". Nothing was ever mentioned about them being stocked in stores. You also have to order $35.00 worth of merchandise to get free 2-day shipping too. But that shouldn't be too tough a requirement to meet. Four tins & Bob's you uncle. Oh yeah, sales tax might also be an issue. ;)
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Here's the link:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Crosman-Premier-22cal-Heavy-Domed-19gr-Pellet-200ct/866654998 (https://www.walmart.com/ip/Crosman-Premier-22cal-Heavy-Domed-19gr-Pellet-200ct/866654998)
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Thanks Jason for the link. Good catch! I forgot to post the link. Duh!
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How well they (pardon the pun) stack up against JSB heavies has yet to be seen.
Here's how they stack up against the JSB 18.13 grain pellets. The JSB's are on the left, the Crosman 19 grain pellets are on the right. These two 5 shot strings were both shot from my .22 Mrod from a tripod rest. The distance is 37 yards.
Thanks for that … it's almost as if they were struck from the same die …. :P
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Great info and testing in different guns. Thanks!
Now, as some of you chronoed the Crosman Domed 19gr, I'd really love so see someone measuring the ballistic coefficient BC, say out to 50 yards. ;D
10 shots 1ft from the muzzle: Average fps minus the two extreme values
10 shots at 51y: Average fps - 2 extreme values
Record the atmospheric conditions and plug those and the fps values into ChairGun (not the app).
Tataah: BC!
Anybody up for it? 8)
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I feel I need to rewrite my previous post in another color. Maybe someone will bite...?!? ;)
Thanks for the info so far and your chrono results of the Crosman Domed 19gr.
However, since I live about 3 and 1/2 thousand miles away from Crosman and their authorized sellers, I'd love to know what ballistic coefficient BC this pellet has, say out to 50 yards, before I go through the hassles of ordering it. ;D
10 shots 1ft from the muzzle: Average fps minus the two extreme values
10 shots at 51y: Average fps - 2 extreme values
Record the atmospheric conditions and plug those and the fps values into ChairGun (not the app).
Anybody up for it? 8)
Thanks in advance,
Matthias
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Matthias, I can't give a chrony reading at 51yds, but I can at 25yds. Will that help?
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would be better than what we have now which is nada.. ;)
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Yupp, right now we have mucho de nada.... ;D
Thank you, Dave!
And to me, and many others I suppose, BC is very important as we attempt to shoot out to 100y – as the biggest factor to score first shot hits is wind, WIND, W I N D !!!
A good BC goes a long way, pun intended.
(And of course, if we can get a slug shooting well enough, that would be nice, too..., just more expensive.) ;)
Matthias
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Sorry it took me so long to get this done, but I finally had time & the weather cooperated to shoot the Crosman Ultra Heavies over the chrony.
I used my PRod for this. Here's a condensed version of what I ended up with:
Temp 90°, R.H. 67%, Zero distance from chrony 2yds, Far distance 27yds.
3.0-2.7K fill, 8 shots
Av 649.6 @ zero, Av 589.7 @ far= BC .032
2.7-2.3K
Av 710.8 @ zero, Av 645.4 @ far= BC .032
2.3-1.8K
Av 750.6 @ zero, Av 677.7 @ far= BC .031
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Great, Dave, thank you very much for your detailed data! :)
The BC is much appreciated! Yupp, I need to get a tin and try them out!
Matthias