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Support Equipment For PCP/HPA/CO2 and springers ,rams => Scopes And Optics Gate => Topic started by: ranchibi on September 28, 2018, 06:26:07 PM
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Well, I purchased this scope on Jimmy’s (WiseGuy) recommendation from Charlie over at Air Gun Optics Plus. Had not read much on this manufacturer, thought I’d give them a try as I had been looking for another FFP scope. Charlie’s communication was impeccable and shipped the scope out the same day! The scope is quite light for its 14” length with 30mm tubes, matte black, DLT FFP MIL Reticle, resettable lockable turrets, front and rear caps and a smart phone adapter. The scope is well balanced, the glass is CLEAR, the reticle is fine but not too fine, eye relief is very generous, the click stops on the turrets are smooth with a noticeable pressure so as not to have any slop, each click always feeling the same. In use the parallax focuses to just under 10yds to infinity. This model has no illumination, others do. I think this glass is at least on par with Athlons and Vortex’s mid tier FFP offerings being much more affordable. They also come with a lifetime warranty. There are some videos showing the manufacturer putting the scope through some very rigorous stress tests. Charlie’s prices were the best I could find and he is very helpful with a customer first mindset if you are interested. I mounted it on my Daystate HRXL .22 and this scope compliments it beautifully. I am very pleased with this scope and want to thank Jimmy for recommending this scope and Charlie at Air Gun Optics Plus for being so helpful.
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Looks good, Randall!
I don't care much for illumination, as they just make the scope heavier. I prefer a lightweight scope.
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I always like hearing about scopes. The rats better watch out, you are ready for them.
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Looks good, Randall!
I don't care much for illumination, as they just make the scope heavier. I prefer a lightweight scope.
Dinh, thank you sir! It’s a wonderful no frills optically clear and precise scope...well built for being light.
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I always like hearing about scopes. The rats better watch out, you are ready for them.
Paulus, you’re quite welcome as I feel I owed the scope, Jimmy, and Charlie a good review....rats BEWARE! LOL!
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Well, I purchased this scope on Jimmy’s (WiseGuy) recommendation from Charlie over at Air Gun Optics Plus. Had not read much on this manufacturer, thought I’d give them a try as I had been looking for another FFP scope. Charlie’s communication was impeccable and shipped the scope out the same day! The scope is quite light for its 14” length with 30mm tubes, matte black, DLT FFP MIL Reticle, resettable lockable turrets, front and rear caps and a smart phone adapter. The scope is well balanced, the glass is CLEAR, the reticle is fine but not too fine, eye relief is very generous, the click stops on the turrets are smooth with a noticeable pressure so as not to have any slop, each click always feeling the same. In use the parallax focuses to just under 10yds to infinity. This model has no illumination, others do. I think this glass is at least on par with Athlons and Vortex’s mid tier FFP offerings being much more affordable. They also come with a lifetime warranty. There are some videos showing the manufacturer putting the scope through some very rigorous stress tests. Charlie’s prices were the best I could find and he is very helpful with a customer first mindset if you are interested. I mounted it on my Daystate HRXL .22 and this scope compliments it beautifully. I am very pleased with this scope and want to thank Jimmy for recommending this scope and Charlie at Air Gun Optics Plus for being so helpful.
Good review! I bought a 1" tubed 4-16x50 Discovery VT-2 (2nd focal plane) and like it except I "hadda" paint those goofy blue lens covers black! Haven't used mine long enough to do a "real report" but supposedly it will hold up on my .177 HW95........
(https://i.imgur.com/lPC6l1kl.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/VMPWvFjl.jpg)
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Good review. Moved your thread to the Scope/Optics Review gate.
How much did the scope cost if I may ask?
Harry
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I got mine from EDgun west for $244 shipped.
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Very nice! I've been using Discovery scopes since before they were cool lol. I have 2 that are 2 years old now and just bought my 5th last week. A 10x44 HD for around $160. Great glass and love the reticle! They make great scopes at a very affordable price
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Glad you are liking it Dillon, I really like these scopes!
The HS 4-14x44 FFP is my favorite so far for being so light weight at 560g and such clear glass that is easy to focus with the eye, and I love the reticle!
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The cost of the VT-T is $203 with the 10% discount code for signing up for the mailing list. Free shipping.
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That's a nice looking scope, with nice specs too! I think I'd have to paint the blue parts too though. I came very close to getting one of those!
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Glad you are liking it Dillon, I really like these scopes!
The HS 4-14x44 FFP is my favorite so far for being so light weight at 560g and such clear glass that is easy to focus with the eye, and I love the reticle!
When I first saw a review of that particular scope I found the very busy reticle to be very "off-putting". Having used a second focal plane reticle for decades I also had questions concerning a first focal plane reticle that literally gets larger,smaller,thicker,thinner with scope power changes. The second focal plane scopes like my 4-12x50 Hawke AirMax (a front AO version) has a rather fine etched reticle that "gets lost" on a dark target in the shade. LOL....I couldn't imagine using the Hawke AMX reticle if it got even thinner when turning down the scope power for hunting.
Even before the hunter class field target rules were changed from 12x max setting to a 16x max setting the 4-12x50 Airmax with AMX reticle was only used for a couple matches because I literally couldn't separate the reticle from the occasional dark painted target that was set in a dark shady lane.
Unless there was "perfect lighting on a light colored target" which doesn't happen much under WV or NC "woods conditions", I seems to me that this thin busy unlit reticle wouldn't be very useful. I'm really wondering what happens when this FFP scope power was turned down from 18x (for hunting) and the close spaced lines at the center of the reticle are even closer spaced. Perhaps some feedback about using the Discovery VT-T 4.5-18x44SFVF in "shady woods" at less than 18x would be interesting. Perhaps I'm completely wrong, however my experience with the unlit reticle of my Hawke AirMax suggests that the concernc may be valid.
(https://i.imgur.com/jnNTGLpl.png)
Anywhoo..........the review of the VT-T 4.5-18x44SFVF caused me to investigate the "then unheard of by me" Discovery line of scopes and spend a few coin for the SFP VT-2 4-16x50 Discovery I ordered with this "Hawke style" reticle (can be lit).........
(https://i.imgur.com/C8SdZWBl.png)
Maybe not a issue but the weight of the VT-T 4.5-18x44SFVF with 30mm tube and 44mm objective without reticle lighting weighs 760 grams (26.46 oz).
http://www.discovery-optics.com/index.php?m=Product&a=show&id=172 (http://www.discovery-optics.com/index.php?m=Product&a=show&id=172)
On the other hand, the weight of the VT-2 4-16x50 SFIR-N with 1" tube, 50mm objective with reticle lighting is lighter but still "heavier than I like" at 680 grams (23.98 ounces).
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That's a nice looking scope, with nice specs too! I think I'd have to paint the blue parts too though. I came very close to getting one of those!
"I'd have to paint the blue parts"
Same here! So far this paint is still good after a couple months...........
(https://i.imgur.com/VMPWvFjl.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/yPJtdDdl.jpg)
A little touch up needed here where the flip up cover didn't get completely covered..........
(https://i.imgur.com/APwufP7l.jpg)
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Good review. Moved your thread to the Scope/Optics Review gate.
How much did the scope cost if I may ask?
Harry
Harry! Sorry to reply so late as I am toopid not realizing it was moved here! LOL. I paid $230 for it.
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Glad you are liking it Dillon, I really like these scopes!
The HS 4-14x44 FFP is my favorite so far for being so light weight at 560g and such clear glass that is easy to focus with the eye, and I love the reticle!
When I first saw a review of that particular scope I found the very busy reticle to be very "off-putting". Having used a second focal plane reticle for decades I also had questions concerning a first focal plane reticle that literally gets larger,smaller,thicker,thinner with scope power changes. The second focal plane scopes like my 4-12x50 Hawke AirMax (a front AO version) has a rather fine etched reticle that "gets lost" on a dark target in the shade. LOL....I couldn't imagine using the Hawke AMX reticle if it got even thinner when turning down the scope power for hunting.
Even before the hunter class field target rules were changed from 12x max setting to a 16x max setting the 4-12x50 Airmax with AMX reticle was only used for a couple matches because I literally couldn't separate the reticle from the occasional dark painted target that was set in a dark shady lane.
Unless there was "perfect lighting on a light colored target" which doesn't happen much under WV or NC "woods conditions", I seems to me that this thin busy unlit reticle wouldn't be very useful. I'm really wondering what happens when this FFP scope power was turned down from 18x (for hunting) and the close spaced lines at the center of the reticle are even closer spaced. Perhaps some feedback about using the Discovery VT-T 4.5-18x44SFVF in "shady woods" at less than 18x would be interesting. Perhaps I'm completely wrong, however my experience with the unlit reticle of my Hawke AirMax suggests that the concernc may be valid.
(https://i.imgur.com/jnNTGLpl.png)
Anywhoo..........the review of the VT-T 4.5-18x44SFVF caused me to investigate the "then unheard of by me" Discovery line of scopes and spend a few coin for the SFP VT-2 4-16x50 Discovery I ordered with this "Hawke style" reticle (can be lit).........
(https://i.imgur.com/C8SdZWBl.png)
Maybe not a issue but the weight of the VT-T 4.5-18x44SFVF with 30mm tube and 44mm objective without reticle lighting weighs 760 grams (26.46 oz).
http://www.discovery-optics.com/index.php?m=Product&a=show&id=172 (http://www.discovery-optics.com/index.php?m=Product&a=show&id=172)
On the other hand, the weight of the VT-2 4-16x50 SFIR-N with 1" tube, 50mm objective with reticle lighting is lighter but still "heavier than I like" at 680 grams (23.98 ounces).
nced, sorry to reply so late...I only use 10X magnification or greater. The glass is very clear so the reticle to my eye is still very legible.
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That's a nice looking scope, with nice specs too! I think I'd have to paint the blue parts too though. I came very close to getting one of those!
"I'd have to paint the blue parts"
Same here! So far this paint is still good after a couple months...........
(https://i.imgur.com/VMPWvFjl.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/yPJtdDdl.jpg)
A little touch up needed here where the flip up cover didn't get completely covered..........
(https://i.imgur.com/APwufP7l.jpg)
nced, glad you like your scope! LOL...I like the blue! Am I weird!? LOL
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To all who have or are interested in Discovery scopes...Aliexpress sells Vector Optics Side Wheels that fit the 34mm parallax knob perfectly and are $20 shipped to your door.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Vector-Optics-Rifle-Scope-Parallax-Big-Side-Wheel-Fit-Marksman-34mm-Black/32851470173.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Vector-Optics-Rifle-Scope-Parallax-Big-Side-Wheel-Fit-Marksman-34mm-Black/32851470173.html)
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To all who have or are interested in Discovery scopes...Aliexpress sells Vector Optics Side Wheels that fit the 34mm parallax knob perfectly and are $20 shipped to your door.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Vector-Optics-Rifle-Scope-Parallax-Big-Side-Wheel-Fit-Marksman-34mm-Black/32851470173.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Vector-Optics-Rifle-Scope-Parallax-Big-Side-Wheel-Fit-Marksman-34mm-Black/32851470173.html)
Thanks for the heads-up!
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To all who have or are interested in Discovery scopes...Aliexpress sells Vector Optics Side Wheels that fit the 34mm parallax knob perfectly and are $20 shipped to your door.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Vector-Optics-Rifle-Scope-Parallax-Big-Side-Wheel-Fit-Marksman-34mm-Black/32851470173.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Vector-Optics-Rifle-Scope-Parallax-Big-Side-Wheel-Fit-Marksman-34mm-Black/32851470173.html)
Thanks for the heads-up!
nced, you’re very welcome! :)
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I might have to try one of the 4.5-18x44mm scopes to see how they range for field target.
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I might have to try one of the 4.5-18x44mm scopes to see how they range for field target.
Zack, I have the scope on my Daystate Huntsman Regal XL and I luv it! Discovery also makes a shorter lighter HS 4-14X44 SF....but I needed the longer tube on the VT-T to fit my eye placement/sight picture better.
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Randall,
Dont know how I missed this post! Anyways, glad you picked up a Discovery scope, I love mine and looking to get an HD real soon! :D
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I might have to try one of the 4.5-18x44mm scopes to see how they range for field target.
Zack, I have the scope on my Daystate Huntsman Regal XL and I luv it! Discovery also makes a shorter lighter HS 4-14X44 SF....but I needed the longer tube on the VT-T to fit my eye placement/sight picture better.
These scopes are hard to resist with how many good things I keep reading about them.
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Randall,
Dont know how I missed this post! Anyways, glad you picked up a Discovery scope, I love mine and looking to get an HD real soon! :D
Jimmy, thanks to you! Let me know how you like the HD series! I am thinking about the HD 4-20X50SFIR FFP for my Compatto.
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I might have to try one of the 4.5-18x44mm scopes to see how they range for field target.
Zack, I have the scope on my Daystate Huntsman Regal XL and I luv it! Discovery also makes a shorter lighter HS 4-14X44 SF....but I needed the longer tube on the VT-T to fit my eye placement/sight picture better.
These scopes are hard to resist with how many good things I keep reading about them.
Zack, for the life of me I have not found better glass made with this amount of precision close to this price! The way the turrets clicks and track is more toward high end scope manufacturing :).
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I think I'll be trying one of these down the road!
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I think I'll be trying one of these down the road!
Dillon, I really think you’d like one of these in FFP!
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I might have to try one of the 4.5-18x44mm scopes to see how they range for field target.
Zack, I have the scope on my Daystate Huntsman Regal XL and I luv it! Discovery also makes a shorter lighter HS 4-14X44 SF....but I needed the longer tube on the VT-T to fit my eye placement/sight picture better.
These scopes are hard to resist with how many good things I keep reading about them.
Zack, for the life of me I have not found better glass made with this amount of precision close to this price! The way the turrets clicks and track is more toward high end scope manufacturing :).
must... resist... another scope... AHHHHHHHHHH ;)
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I think I'll be trying one of these down the road!
Dillon, I really think you’d like one of these in FFP!
I think so Randy! I love the fixed 10x44 I have that's a Discovery but I think I would like the extra magnification for long range on my WARP
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I have one of these on my Flex, nice FFP scope for the money. Just wish it came with a sun shade instead of the flash kill.
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I might have to try one of the 4.5-18x44mm scopes to see how they range for field target.
Zack, I have the scope on my Daystate Huntsman Regal XL and I luv it! Discovery also makes a shorter lighter HS 4-14X44 SF....but I needed the longer tube on the VT-T to fit my eye placement/sight picture better.
These scopes are hard to resist with how many good things I keep reading about them.
Zack, for the life of me I have not found better glass made with this amount of precision close to this price! The way the turrets clicks and track is more toward high end scope manufacturing :).
must... resist... another scope... AHHHHHHHHHH ;)
LOL Zack! Too funny :).
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I have one of these on my Flex, nice FFP scope for the money. Just wish it came with a sun shade instead of the flash kill.
Shawn, my sentiments exactly...wish it came with a real shade....been thinking of trying a cheap 44mm from Amazon!
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I think I'll be trying one of these down the road!
Dillon, I really think you’d like one of these in FFP!
I think so Randy! I love the fixed 10x44 I have that's a Discovery but I think I would like the extra magnification for long range on my WARP
Dillon, your WARP NEEDS more magnification for long range! Woo Hoo! :)
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I bought this same scope a while back and mounted it on my Brocock Bantam Hilite. I'm really liking it so far but have only shot it on targets. I don't do field target so no experience there. It has excellent glass, very clear and the range markings are very close to being right, . Nice repeatable clicks on the turrents and smooth operating dials. The reticle is pretty busy but not too bad and since I usually stay at 8 power and up it's not a problem. I bought this from Charlie at Airgun Optics and had great service also. I will be buying more of their scopes down the road as needed.
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I bought this same scope a while back and mounted it on my Brocock Bantam Hilite. I'm really liking it so far but have only shot it on targets. I don't do field target so no experience there. It has excellent glass, very clear and the range markings are very close to being right, . Nice repeatable clicks on the turrents and smooth operating dials. The reticle is pretty busy but not too bad and since I usually stay at 8 power and up it's not a problem. I bought this from Charlie at Airgun Optics and had great service also. I will be buying more of their scopes down the road as needed.
Randy, nice combo! :). These are hands down the best made scopes I personally have used for what you get for your hard earned dollar.