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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: h2okenny on August 20, 2018, 06:45:56 PM
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I'm really struggling with this. I had originally planned on the Vulcan, then started researching the EDgun and almost pulled the trigger on a .25 long, changed my mind and started leaning toward the standard. Now I'm wondering if the EDgun or Vulcan is worth the extra money over a Wildcat. BTW, I'm a lefty, which further confuses the issue. I'm in the process of thinning the herd and may (most likely) purchase a .22 a little later in one of these brands after moving some more guns. I'd really appreciate any advice.
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Non of the above ,Tipan Veteran. Owned all but the EDgun and Mutant/Veteran wins hands down.
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I have owned EDgun R3M and Wildcat and the R3M was the better gun for me. Not even a contest. I haven't tried the new R5M myself but am willing to bet I'd like that better than the WC also. Is it $600 better though? It is hard to say because I bet the Wildcat would do the job for you just fine and that is quite a price difference. Never tried any of the Vulcans...
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The Edgun RM5 is the sexiest airgun out there,
The Vulcan II is geeting big props
The Taipan Veteran seems that every single owner loves them to bits.
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I'm a lefty too and if you're wondering about the WC side-lever being on the right side (since it's the only one of your choices that you can't swap around or is ambi), it works fine. I actually prefer it on the right side because it allows you keep your left hand near the trigger and ready to shoot while you cycle the action. I'm impatient though ;)
The WC cheek piece isn't that comfortable for lefties though, somebody in the UK does make a left handed version you could add on if needed.
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I've yet to read any bad reviews on the Taipan Veteran, but the rear cocking is a deal breaker for me. I once had an Gen 1 Mrod and put a Maddog bullpup conversion kit on it, foolishly giving no thought to the bolt location for a lefty. I eventually modified the breech and moved the bolt to the left side but I never liked the extreme rear cocking location. If not for that I'd be all over the Taipan based on all the positive posts I've read about it.
Justin, you hit the nail on the head, is the EDgun worth $500-$600 more? Although speculation on my part, I tend to agree with you about the cocking lever, since the WC is both relatively short and light, the cocking lever PROBABLY isn't an issue and I actually might prefer it on the right. I do like the idea of not removing my hand from the trigger.
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I also vote veteran
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I've yet to read any bad reviews on the Taipan Veteran, but the rear cocking is a deal breaker for me. I once had an Gen 1 Mrod and put a Maddog bullpup conversion kit on it, foolishly giving no thought to the bolt location for a lefty. I eventually modified the breech and moved the bolt to the left side but I never liked the extreme rear cocking location. If not for that I'd be all over the Taipan based on all the positive posts I've read about it.
Justin, you hit the nail on the head, is the EDgun worth $500-$600 more? Although speculation on my part, I tend to agree with you about the cocking lever, since the WC is both relatively short and light, the cocking lever PROBABLY isn't an issue and I actually might prefer it on the right. I do like the idea of not removing my hand from the trigger.
FWIW, comparing a rear bolt to a rear side lever is apples and oranges in regards to the Veteran. It will be much easier to manipulate than a bolt, and I haven't seen anyone who wasn't able to adapt to the rear side lever of the Veteran :)
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I've yet to read any bad reviews on the Taipan Veteran, but the rear cocking is a deal breaker for me. I once had an Gen 1 Mrod and put a Maddog bullpup conversion kit on it, foolishly giving no thought to the bolt location for a lefty. I eventually modified the breech and moved the bolt to the left side but I never liked the extreme rear cocking location. If not for that I'd be all over the Taipan based on all the positive posts I've read about it.
Justin, you hit the nail on the head, is the EDgun worth $500-$600 more? Although speculation on my part, I tend to agree with you about the cocking lever, since the WC is both relatively short and light, the cocking lever PROBABLY isn't an issue and I actually might prefer it on the right. I do like the idea of not removing my hand from the trigger.
FWIW, comparing a rear bolt to a rear side lever is apples and oranges in regards to the Veteran. It will be much easier to manipulate than a bolt, and I haven't seen anyone who wasn't able to adapt to the rear side lever of the Veteran :)
I was gonna mention the same exact thing,
comparing a crunchy Marauder bolt action to a smooth sidelever just makes no sense whatsoever.
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I've yet to read any bad reviews on the Taipan Veteran, but the rear cocking is a deal breaker for me. I once had an Gen 1 Mrod and put a Maddog bullpup conversion kit on it, foolishly giving no thought to the bolt location for a lefty. I eventually modified the breech and moved the bolt to the left side but I never liked the extreme rear cocking location. If not for that I'd be all over the Taipan based on all the positive posts I've read about it.
Justin, you hit the nail on the head, is the EDgun worth $500-$600 more? Although speculation on my part, I tend to agree with you about the cocking lever, since the WC is both relatively short and light, the cocking lever PROBABLY isn't an issue and I actually might prefer it on the right. I do like the idea of not removing my hand from the trigger.
FWIW, comparing a rear bolt to a rear side lever is apples and oranges in regards to the Veteran. It will be much easier to manipulate than a bolt, and I haven't seen anyone who wasn't able to adapt to the rear side lever of the Veteran :)
I was gonna mention the same exact thing,
comparing a crunchy Marauder bolt action to a smooth sidelever just makes no sense whatsoever.
On the other hand, why get a rear sidelever when you can get a front sidelever. FX is the only gun that has had bad press and I believe they have upped their game since. All should be more accurate than most shooters so I'd pick a gun that suits you and is comfortable to shoot. I personally have my doubts about the ST barrel (seen poor finish, serious lead build up etc.) but if you read AGN it's the best thing since sliced bread.
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I agree with you RKR. I definitely didn't like the bolt on the Mrod, matter of fact I hated it, but I disliked the location even more. Everyone is different and I really appreciate the input from everyone, but for me, it's gotta be a front sidelever.
OK, guess I'll have to show my ignorance, what's the ST barrel?
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ST = SmoothTwist
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Well, duh ;D, I wasn't even thinking about the WC barrel, I was focused on the other two. Thanks
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Recently I was in the search for a bullpup. I ended up buying a Veteran but I see you don't like the cocking lever on the back.
For me that was not a problem, my parameters were different. I wanted:
- Reliability
- Decent shot count
- Accuracy (but all of these guns are accurate)
- Backyard friendly
When I was doing my research the Cricket was the gun that initially I felt in love, I really wanted one. 60 shots regulated called my attention, but then I get to know they are considered outdated and you can get something better (Reliability) for the money, I couldn't find any sold on any site, all out of stock, and even after I asked for stock availability they told me Crickets are not selling, it was a sad day to me, but well, I ended up buying a Taipan (I was also listening to Motorhead advice) I cannot be happier, but again, I understand it's not what you are looking for.
My advice will be, buy the one you like the best, you will not have one that have all the features you like, make a balance and buy once cry once, you cannot go wrong with any of these options, I still have my doubts with the FX guns after reading very frustrating owner's experiences, reliability is a big deal for me. If you have the opportunity to test some of them it will be great.
Good luck!
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My experience.
Edguns are awesome. Super easy to work on with great support from Edgun West and lots of great youtube videos and internet blogs.
Vulcans are awesome. But they're a nightmare to work on and you're pretty much on your own. But, at least in my case, I haven't needed or wanted to do anything but shoot mine as issued.
I haven't owned a Taipan but if I'm spending that kind of money I want something that doesn't look like it's mounted on a 2x6 from Home Depot. But that's just me being shallow... ;D
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Thanks Paul,
I take it you own both, if so could you comment on shot counts and power adjustments between the two? I've also read that the EDgun barrel needs cleaning frequently, as in every 100-150 shots. Is that correct? I personally like the looks of the Vulcan2 better than the R5M (slightly), but I'll take function over looks every time. Being easy to work on is also very appealing.
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I have the EdGun R5 in 30 cal. 16 tins of JSB pellets, some NSA slugs and a tin of Predators have been shot with it. The only cleaning was when it first arrived to swab the barrel before shooting it the first time. No reduction in accuracy thus far. Very easy to take apart, easy to adjust, well built. 83 fpe with 44 grain ammo.
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Thanks Paul,
I take it you own both, if so could you comment on shot counts and power adjustments between the two? I've also read that the EDgun barrel needs cleaning frequently, as in every 100-150 shots. Is that correct? I personally like the looks of the Vulcan2 better than the R5M (slightly), but I'll take function over looks every time. Being easy to work on is also very appealing.
With the Vulcan you can get all of about 10fps of change in velocity over the range of HST. Not very much at all. If you want a substantial change in velocity you have to perform brain surgery and adjust the regulator. And without a regulator tester, which you would have to make yourself, it's a huge investment in time and frustration. The thing about Vulcans is that they're tuned at the factory to shoot JSB pellets super accurately and that they do. In my case in .25 caliber, Match Diabolo Exact King 25.39gr. As long as you're happy shooting that pellet at around 865fps you're going to love the Vulcan. But some people just can't leave things alone... ;D
Just shy of about 50 shots per fill.
The Edgun, though awesome out of the box, can benefit from a Huma power regulator. Accuracy, velocity and shot count all improved with this one mod. And it's a piece of cake to do. Mine is a .30 caliber and I have it dialed at 920fps with JSB 44.75gr pellets. The same tune yields 865fps with 47gr NSA slugs and with an average spread of about 2fps, which is about the same as the Vulcan.
The HST has a LOT of range for tuning on the Edgun. I never tested the full range but I dialed it about 50fps and had a lot of room to spare.
I have yet to clean any PCP gun. I get clover leaf clusters with all shots touching at 50 meters with both guns though admittedly, the Vulcan's are usually tighter. I would suspect ammo or air supply as a cause of any fouling, not some barrel issue.
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Thanks Paul, that helps. It great to get input from someone who owns both.
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Have shot and serviced them all .... personally own a Taipan and have no want in something different. ;D