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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: Tweeter on June 29, 2018, 07:27:59 PM
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How loud is the .25 standard Veteran? Is an Ldc absolutely necessary or do most add it because they like "mouse fart" quiet? Also can someone share the shroud diameter, I'm wondering if the DonnyFl Koi has a smaller OD than the shroud which would look foolish.
On the prowl for a new .25 and was thinking FX Impact but I just really don't NEED such an expensive gun and for some reason I just got the feeling that it may disappoint... I know the Veteran isn't cheap by any means but for the price (compared to some other airguns) it seems you get a HECK of a lot for your money.
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I have a Ronin on my .25 standard," does it need it"? No,not by any means, I was going for super quiet. It's not quite as quiet as my Mrod with a NC Reflex shooting 830ish, but it is close and the Veteran is shooting 880ish. I love mine, hardly ever shoot my mrod any more. If you buy one I don't think you will be disappointed.
Just my 2 cents.
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The loudest thing about the .25 Veteran to me is the hammer slap. The .22 doesn't have much but the .25 is noticeably louder. So even with an LDC, the gun will seem loud because of that hammer.
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Donny's Sumo, that is made for the Vulcan would be perfect! ;)
Knife
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Using the Shogun, which is the next larger ldc on the 60 fpe Rainstorm II, and according to all vermin shot with it, it is Deadly quiet! Muhahahaha!
Knife
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Thanks guys, I actually prefer not to even use an ldc to keep it shorter and I don't need it to be silent. My neighbors are cool and they know I shoot stuff over here haha.
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Veteran .25 in bound! I hope it is accurate and has a decent trigger ;D ;D ;D
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Thanks Shawn, sounds like I can get by without a mod for a bit.
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Veteran .25 in bound! I hope it is accurate and has a decent trigger ;D ;D ;D
If yours isn't accurate and has a lousy trigger, it will be the first one I've heard about. It will be hard to find negative reviews on the Taipans
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For the same amount of money I think I could buy fx wildcat mk2, I think it is as accurate as Veteran nice coking mehanizam at front and the ability to exchange liner with new stx barrel
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Oh I know Rico, I had a Mutant and it was lights out and the machine work and trigger are beautiful!
ellcrow, I've also had a wildcat .22 (mk1) and my mutant was a step (or 3) above in the quality department. I know most prefer the forward sidelever but pound for pound the Taipan wins hands down. That's my story and I'm sticking to it (until I change my feeble mind ;))
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Thanks Shawn, sounds like I can get by without a mod for a bit.
The only thing I've done to mine it turn it down from 930ish to 880ish, besides the Ronin.
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What about accurecy vetera vs fx Wildcat mk2
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Mine shot about the same but the Mutant was def. more consistent. I shot a 50 shot group (was just using the same aimpoint while shooting over the chrony) at I think like 47 yards with it and didn't have 1 flier. My wildcat barrel was prone to fouling which would hurt accuracy bigtime.
One more note, FX regulators don't really have a stellar reputation (a lot have been replacing them with Huma). You very well could get a good one and never have an issue but maybe not... Never heard anything bad about Taipans reg.
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I've a question... Is the process to change the sidelever over to the left the same as with the Mutant?
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I believe it is.
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Thanks Shawn, and happy fourth! Too dang hot here to do much of anything though...
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Same here! Happy Fourth to you.
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Same here! Happy Fourth to you.
Shawn, i like your "RUSH" signature line 8)
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Can we say that veteran is more accurate then fx wildcat mk2 ? ?
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No, I don't think so. Even if I said my Veteran was more accurate, that doesn't mean they all are or yours will be. They are all accurate, or they dang well should be for what they cost! At the end of the day you have to just try them out and find what works for you, you know?
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Same here! Happy Fourth to you.
Shawn, i like your "RUSH" signature line 8)
I'm a big RUSH fan. I change the line now and then, last time it was "If you're gonna die, die with your boots on" (Iron Maiden). 8)
Sorry about the slight hijack Justin! ::)
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Are you kidding? No worries ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWRMOJQDiLU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWRMOJQDiLU)
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That was AWESOME! I watched an interview with Neil Peart where he said "I never wanted to be famous, I wanted to be good." MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! That's what I admire about RUSH, they are true masters of their craft.
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For what it is worth, as many (all?) owners have said, I love my Veteran Short .25, no flies on it whatsoever. It's my most reached for airgun as of typing this.
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That was AWESOME! I watched an interview with Neil Peart where he said "I never wanted to be famous, I wanted to be good." MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! That's what I admire about RUSH, they are true masters of their craft.
Same here, watched an interview (maybe the same one?) and he said most fans think he's an a-hole because he just doesn't like interacting with people. IMO the best drummer of all time, at least my favorite drummer of all time ;)
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Thanks Rocco, should get mine tomorrow (maybe Friday due to the holiday) and am sure I'll love it!
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Got the Vet. today and I'm impresses! I kinda knew I would be but it came to me from Will Piatt and he had it set to shoot the 33.95 Jsb's at 870fps. First impression was that the cocking was a little stiff and it had a bit of a crack to it when fired. I expected both of these things since it is a .25 pup.
This afternoon I swapped the lever over to the left side also backed the hammer spring off 1 turn and took a quick few shots over the chrony with Jsb 25.4's. Right around 920fps and the best part is it made the cocking VERY easy and dropped the noise level A LOT. If you ask me this gun is very quiet (for me and ldc isn't needed), I was shooting from inside through an open door also so it should be even quieter outside. Too hot to do much today (96 degrees) so I'll shoot more over the chrony this weekend and probably end up at 900fps with Jsb Kings. Also have an Atlas rail arriving tomorrow so I can fit my bi pod for some target practice.
Trigger is awesome but WAY too light for me, can anyone tell me how to add some weight to the second stage break?
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Glad you like it i sure love mine what an awesome go to gun!
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Ernest Rowe has a youtube video that shows the trigger mechanism and adjustments, Talon Tunes also has a photo that shows what is what.
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Here you go
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I did find Ernest's video and thanks for the picture!
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Tweeter can you make some group on 50 yard na 100y to chek accurecy of rifle so we can see, tx
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Can do 50 and 75 yards for sure right here in my yard when the weather is nicer. It's finally cooled off but now today is downpour and thunderstorms. >:(
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What are you guys Fps, fill pressure and shot count?
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Well, though my Vet is apples to oranges or Standard to Short as it is, and I have lowered my velocity to 650 fps with polymags (24.4fpe) currently I get around 50 or so shots on reg. Basically I try for a fill pressure around 235bar + or - 5bar. With the TATSU on the muzzle you can not hear it more than 25ft away, I'm set up for backyard pests (typical suburb setting) and it serves its intended purpose extremely well.
If I remember correctly it came new set at 885fps with JSB Kings from the factory, that was about 3 ten round mags before POI change. But due to limited space and slightly elevated sound signature I turned her down.
Hope that helps for what it's worth.
-Rocco
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if Mr.P put his touch on it, its at its finest performance the way you received it.
;D
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Mine is shooting around 880 fps, on a 250 bar fill I get 52 or so before a noticeable drop in poi.
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if Mr.P put his touch on it, its at its finest performance the way you received it.
;D
Sadly he didn't though. He said he bought it from Tony, adjusted the hammer spring to shoot Jsb 34gr and shot maybe 1/2 tin of pellets through it thats all. Basically a new gun (and it looks the part ;))
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Mine is shooting around 880 fps, on a 250 bar fill I get 52 or so before a noticeable drop in poi.
I was thinking that 880-890 was a good number. I will try it and see if I can get 4 mags filling to 230bar.
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When I got mine it was shooting around 930 and I was getting pass throughs on squirrels at 110 yards. Even turned down to 880ish it still has some thump. This is an aluminum skillet shot at 160 yards.
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Ouch, it did a number on that skillet haha
I have noticed that my veteran does not have set screw on top of the breech to hold the barrel in place. I'm guessing by the small flats on the barrel (presumably to use a wrench) that the Vet. barrels are screwed directly into the breech instead of pushed in and held by set screws?
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Rail added. Drilled 9/64 holes and partially tapped 10-24. Used 10-24 x 3/4" button head machine screws to attach the BT17. Ready to rock and roll 8)
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Shot a feew 50 yard groups this afternoon. Umm, yeah... not so great ;D I think it just needs a good barrel cleaning as the previous owner was shooting lubed 34gr through it before I got my greasy mitts on it. Also keep in mind it was my first time shooting the gun ;) Bottom left group is very nice under .5" so the gun will do it. All the other groups were right around an inch except that one wild shot (not sure what happened). I am confident with time and a good barrel scrubbing she'll be a tack driver like the rest! Waiting on some barrel o rings in the mail before I clean the barrel in case I wreck the o ring.
First 5 shots were getting close to zero then the 4- 5 shot groups. I shot my last 15 shots over the chrony just to see if I can squeeze 40 shots per fill and it looks likle I can. Fps is just starting to rise coming off the reg the last 5 or 6 shots. Also only filled to 240bar so with a full 250bar fill I should be good to go. The gun uses about 20bar per magazine (10 shots).
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Anti-double load is sweet and works awesome. Nice to be able to de-cock the gun if you decide not to take the shot and then just cock it again when you're ready to fire. The mag only indexes if the gun is fired. I could do the same with my Edgun but had to remember to switch the mag. index lever back and forth, on and off. With the Taipan it's automatic for dummies like me ;D
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if Mr.P put his touch on it, its at its finest performance the way you received it.
;D
Sadly he didn't though. He said he bought it from Tony, adjusted the hammer spring to shoot Jsb 34gr and shot maybe 1/2 tin of pellets through it thats all. Basically a new gun (and it looks the part ;))
well, at least he knows what you have.....
i speak from experience of his work, if it needs any performance changes for the better, Will is the man !!!
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100 yard groups ???
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When I got mine it was shooting around 930 and I was getting pass throughs on squirrels at 110 yards. Even turned down to 880ish it still has some thump. This is an aluminum skillet shot at 160 yards.
Shawn those dents at 160 yds are impressive!
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Congratz on the Veteran Justin...looking like a good shooter bro! ;)
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It is shaping up to be, thanks Jimmy! Looking forward to shooting it some this weekend.
FYI, I was using lubed Jsb kings and got a lot of fliers with them and have since cleaned my barrel thoroughly and switched to straight Jsb Kings out of the tin. Groups have been MUCH better with a lot less fliers. It is an accurate gun and those few groups I shared don't do it justice. ;)
Ooooh.....
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When I got mine it was shooting around 930 and I was getting pass throughs on squirrels at 110 yards. Even turned down to 880ish it still has some thump. This is an aluminum skillet shot at 160 yards.
Shawn those dents at 160 yds are impressive!
Yep, it definitly hits with authority!
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When I got mine it was shooting around 930 and I was getting pass throughs on squirrels at 110 yards. Even turned down to 880ish it still has some thump. This is an aluminum skillet shot at 160 yards.
Shawn those dents at 160 yds are impressive!
Yep, it definitly hits with authority!
I bet the wife will too when she learns where all her cookware ended up. ;D ;D ;D
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When I got mine it was shooting around 930 and I was getting pass throughs on squirrels at 110 yards. Even turned down to 880ish it still has some thump. This is an aluminum skillet shot at 160 yards.
Shawn those dents at 160 yds are impressive!
Yep, it definitly hits with authority!
I bet the wife will too when she learns where all her cookware ended up. ;D ;D ;D
I ain't a scared of her! (don't tell her I said that)
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it was a delight to read this. I'm owning Tweeter Taipan now! :)
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I think I'll be at the range this weekend and I'll test it at 50 and 100 yards. I'll sharing some pictures
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This thread did me in. Abandoned all hope of holding off. A .25 Standard will be here tomorrow.
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This thread did me in. Abandoned all hope of holding off. A .25 Standard will be here tomorrow.
The struggle is real.....
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Still loving my .25 short, it is the ultimate pest gun, short and sooo quiet with Donny's Tatsu on the muzzle. Sound of a chipmunk getting its cranium cracked is so loud it echoes compared to the soft hiss of the shot. Enjoy the heck out of it!
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Read this and the other forums over the last year about all kinds of air guns, but PCP's in particular. Every gun had issues and quality control problems of some sort, some more than others. All it seems but the Taipan. I just kept reading glowing reviews by very satisfied owners, many with awesome collections of other high-end PCP's as witnessed by their inventory lists in their signatures. Almost all had references to the Taipan as "my go-to gun" or "my favorite".
And then Jason starts handing me my butt in the 50-yard matches with his .22 Veteran. Not that I was previously winning them. No, far from it, but each of his two-pellet bulls were almost hole-on-hole. Seldom were they as c-t-c bloated as mine. Then Motorhead's reference in a thread to the Taipan's .22 CZ barrel being "scary accurate". That sealed the deal. So my path was set a couple of months ago. I was just in denial since then. I held out two months waiting for the .22 Veteran to come into stock. Still hasn't. (But, eventually, it will. ;)) Shouldn't have subjected myself to that stress. I have had much greater buyer's remorse on air guns costing a fourth of what a Taipan costs. Strangely, I have had none buying this .25 Veteran. This is going to be a very fun Fall!
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I'm not sure 100% if my .25 Veteran was tuned in any way, but I'm not planing to move a screw. Justin, if you are reading, do you know?
I was reading and a couple of people are saying the regulator comes from the factory a bit too high (at around 150br), that's why when you come off regulator the FPS increases tremendously. Well, having around 40 shots regulated looks pretty good to me. Originally I was researching the Cricket, I read you can get way more shoots with the cricket but then Justin posted his Veteran in the classified section and I jumped right away (I'm not as strong)
This is my first PCP, my TX200 is as accurate but at close range, past 50 yards and I won't pull the trigger, I needed something like this Taipan for the hunt.
I have just used the Taipan in the backyard, max I can shoot is 40 yards, and I think the gun does better than me. I'm used to the weight of the TX200 and this gun is so light compared with the TX that I noticed how hard is to keep the cross hair still, I need to improve my holding ???. The first shot I did took my surprise, the trigger!!!! WOW I read the triggers in the bullpups are not as good compared with the rifle version, well I think this trigger can compare with the best out there.
The rifle is also really easy to work, when I received, it all happened so fast that Justin forgot to switch the cocking lever to the right, and he sent Ernest video on how to do it and I was able to switch in less than 10 mins.
These are basically my "first impressions" I'm just learning the gun, I have a DonnyFL Sumo moderator coming, not because is needed, the gun is backyard friendly but I want it to be super quiet for my hunt.
@Tonykarter: share your impressions with us, I'll post some of my groups at the range
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Will do. Waiting on FedX guy to get here. He needs my signature to deliver it. I am really looking forward to your range targets! Especially the 100 yard. I have a friend that reloads, gets all Zen-like about his target shooting out at the range. I hear him over at the next station slowly chanting over and over, "I am the bullet". (What is the chance now that this phrase won't go through your head at least once while you are out there? ZERO!) He does the same thing when he fishes a plastic worm: "I am the worm" on every worm lift. I tried it and darn if it doesn't help me concentrate, visualize the worm and catch more fish! So it's worth a try...
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I'm the pellet 8)
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Erlis, the Veteran is as it came out of the box except for hammer spring adjustments. I had it set to shoot Jsb 25.4's at about 890fps and according to the gauge (which should be fairly accurate since it is a Wika) the reg is set at 150bar. It'll get 40 shots as is if you fill to 250bar and 30 shots on a 220bar fill.
Trigger is very nice isn't it? ;) Erlis, that gun will be VERY quiet after you add a DonnyFl! No worries there!
Congrats on getting a nice bullpup Tony!
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My "local" FedX has located and is holding my .25 Standard for my pick-up! I am outa' here.
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I've received my Sumo suppresor, but I don't know how to remove the shroud cap to install the adapter, and I cannot find any info about it.. guys.. help!
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nevermind, I was able to remove it with two Allen keys
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Ok, I'm back from the range.
It is the first time I take the rifle to more than 20 yards so I was super excited to test this baby.
Yesterday I installed the Sumo suppressor. Here is a picture of the gun after I was able to install the suppressor:
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I zeroed at 25 yards, first and then moved the target back to 50 yards and I was amazed with the precision. Yesterday when I was installing the suppressor I did a good clean on the barrel and today at the range I noticed that the first shoots (when I was zeroing) were a bit scatered, but after I shoot around 2 magazines, everything started changing.
This is a target at 50 yards, I didn't sort any pellets, these are .25 JSB Kings straight from the tin.
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Then the sky started to deteriorate and I had time to move it to 100 yards but I just could do one group and I don't know but it looks terrible to me. Maybe the wind was starting to pick up or maybe I need way more practice for the 100 yards. This is how it looks my group at 100
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ohh Almost forgot to report... when I came back from the range, I had an iguana on my backyard, I don't need to tell you what happened at 25 yards. First one I take down with the Vet, this rifle is sweet.
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Thanks for the 50 and 100 targets. I got mine Saturday. Cleaned the barrel and mounted the shortest scope I have: a UTG 6x24-50. Way too big of a scope. Looks like a bear riding an armadillo. Your scope recommendation is appreciated. Anyway, got to sight it in and shoot it a little before church this morning. Now I know what you guys have been describing. Wow. Accurate as heck. Unlike my MRods where I have trepidation before every shot "POI changed?" Not with this one. Inspires confidence. I shot a 30 yard string without the chrony. Pretty impressive little gun. I get the feeling if it's not in the ten ring its not the guns fault. Either it is me, or a result of shooting from the tin rather than inspecting/sorting/weighing each. Obviously those 8's were fliers in a fine gun like this. Cant wait to shoot at 50 tomorrow morning when its cooler. (and that's a 194, not a 195. Can't subtract.)
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Looks like a bear riding an armadillo.
I almost fall from the chair when I read that :) The scope I have is this
https://www.amazon.com/Athlon-Optics-Riflescope-Illuminated-Reticle/dp/B01APT0G0E/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1534713255&sr=8-5&keywords=athlon+ffp (https://www.amazon.com/Athlon-Optics-Riflescope-Illuminated-Reticle/dp/B01APT0G0E/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1534713255&sr=8-5&keywords=athlon+ffp)
it's a FFP and not everyone likes the FFP, I'm sold on it, for the price I think you get really good quality scope.
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I grabbed a MTC Viper Connect SCB2 reticle, love the huge field of view for back yard pesting. And it is small and rugged enough not to break the Veteran Short's profile.
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Rocco that is a very interesting scope. Quite a find. If I was hunting like I use to I would snatch it up. The field of view ought to make it easy to follow a squirrel as he limbs-out without having to come out of the scope. That alone has driven me to leave the .22 home in favor of high brass sixes the following squirrel hunt for WAY to many years! A man has to eat. I'm mostly going to be shooting paper, hopefully 50-100+ yards.
Erlis, I was looking at that one and the 6X24-50mm. I'm thinking these eyes are going to need 24X. How far do you shoot that 14X?
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The same Athlon is what a use on my HM1000 in .22, it is a superb scope for a reasonable price. Even though it is FFP I personally like keeping mine set at 18x, that is the point the entire reticle fills the scope and you can enjoy the best of all worlds, zoom/bright image and a full reticle worth of holdover/under and windage points. Just my findings having used it for about 5 or 6 months.
P.S. I have not shot beyond 50 yards with the .22, however my HMx .25 has repeatedly knocked a 6" gong at 175 yards (different brand scope but same specs) hold over was 12mils.
Edit - the HMx wears a optisan evx 6-24x50 f1. Just to mention another good FFP scope
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Erlis, I was looking at that one and the 6X24-50mm. I'm thinking these eyes are going to need 24X. How far do you shoot that 14X?
I use it mostly for hunting iguanas, and rarely I shoot past 50 yards, you can get closer and they are ok with that but lately they know what is going on and they are keeping the distance. Yesterday at the range I didn't have any problem sighting at 100 yrds, super clear image.
If you have the money for the Argos (6-24x50) go for it I think I saw it in FFP and SFP the later considerably cheaper. I was thinking myself getting one of those for the veteran because I can shoot longer distances. When I got the 14x, I got it for my TX200 and I also was looking into something I can shoot close range, so the 4-14 was perfect for that rifle. When I got the Veteran I just used my better scope on it.
Yesterday at the range I tested a 5.5-25x50 Aztec scope that was a dream, but super expensive. It's all a matter of balance and find the good tool for the job without expending a fortune...IMHO
Edit: Athlon has a 6-24x50 in SFP but is the Talos, not the Argos, for $210. I personally don't like that reticle, I prefer the Christmas tree I have in mine and I see in the Argos FFP
https://www.amazon.com/Athlon-Optics-Riflescope-Second-Medium/dp/B07CJVRX19/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1534764949&sr=8-9&keywords=athlon++sfp (https://www.amazon.com/Athlon-Optics-Riflescope-Second-Medium/dp/B07CJVRX19/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1534764949&sr=8-9&keywords=athlon++sfp)
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Thanks guys. The Athlon looks to be the one for what I'm going to do with it. Target from this morning early, 50 yards, shooting straight out of the tin. WOW. This gun is everything you guys said it is. It will shoot into the ten ring every time if your pellets all want to go into the ten ring. I ordered a pellet gauge last night. Hope to eliminate those flyers.
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Ray, do you know the fps you are getting with those JSB Kings? Yesterday mine was shooting an average of 885 fps. Just curious on how it come from factory, Justin mentioned to me that mine has the hammer spring adjusted.
I'm glad to have someone to share the moment!
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Ray, do you know the fps you are getting with those JSB Kings? Yesterday mine was shooting an average of 885 fps. Just curious on how it come from factory, Justin mentioned to me that mine has the hammer spring adjusted.
I'm glad to have someone to share the moment!
It came (at least the one you own) from the factory shooting about 930fps with Kings. The chrony printout and test target from Talon Tunes are on that yellow piece of paper ;)
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Justin!!
You are right, I have the print out, I forgot about that. :o
So now it's shooting a bit slow, will that help with the shot count? I'm happy as it's (even affraid of changing anything) Why did you changed it?
Just curious...
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Justin!!
You are right, I have the print out, I forgot about that. :o
So now it's shooting a bit slow, will that help with the shot count? I'm happy as it's (even affraid of changing anything) Why did you changed it?
Just curious...
I changed it because it came to me from the original owner shooting the 34gr Jsb's at 870fps and I didn't need that much power and wanted to shoot the 25.4 Jsb's. As it was set I'm guessing the 25.4's would have been around 970fps (I never actually chronied it before backing off the power). Plenty of power on tap there if you need it and with no reg adjustment! Sweet guns.
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Erlis, roughly 950fps per the test sheet below. I haven't touched anything yet.
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I would set it to whatever power you like with the hammer spring adjuster, it won't hurt anything and that's what it is there for. I just don't see any sense in shooting any pellet over 900fps personally.
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but I guess it will use a bit more of air if I increase the power right? A bit more power could help while doing 100 yards, but again, I'm not shooting at 100 yards either. I'll leave it at 885 avg.
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but I guess it will use a bit more of air if I increase the power right? A bit more power could help while doing 100 yards, but again, I'm not shooting at 100 yards either. I'll leave it at 885 avg.
Yeah it will use more air the more you turn up the power.