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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: Keyser Soze on February 22, 2018, 03:09:56 AM
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Hey guys, just wanted to let you know that my channel "Edgun West" has been terminated by Youtube because they stated I violated their "Community Guidelines". They feel airguns are dangerous and I can only guess because I taught people how to modify and work on airguns they deemed this "harmful to minors." I appealed this decision, but I was unable to get Youtube to change their mind. I have been banned from emailing them again. I am not going to let me stop making videos or sharing them. I started this just having fun, and I was encouraged by Ernest to make DIY videos. This passion eventually led me to import the gun I love above all others "the EDgun". If I stop making videos, it will change my whole business model. I know my videos are wordy and not polished ( I envy Steve's and Matt's professional editing) but I like making no-frills videos. I hope me going to a new hosting service won't prevent people from seeing my videos, but I am left without another option.
Here is my replaced video for the R5 .30, and as I stated before, there will be more in the series
Thanks for understanding
Brian
https://vimeo.com/256891823
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these are single shot ? no magazine ?
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The people at youtube are anti gun and before long there will not be any thing about guns on this liberal web site. It is the sign of the times. I personally wish some one would start a new sight for all of the gunners and thousands of people would stop using youtube. I hate that the country is so devided, but I do not see things changing in my life time.
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Very informative video, and I really like the gun what is the cost of this model and how many shots per fill?
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The people at youtube are anti gun and before long there will not be any thing about guns on this liberal web site. It is the sign of the times. I personally wish some one would start a new sight for all of the gunners and thousands of people would stop using youtube. I hate that the country is so devided, but I do not see things changing in my life time.
Same here. I think Youtube's days are numbered. Google probably knows this and has decided to sacrifice it at the altar of their left-wing ideology.
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Trust me, a goofy must have complained. There's no way that they can monitor the millions of videos. I watch videos of kids making bombs and blowing stuff up and they're worried about your video? Jeez.
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Very good video review. As usual.
And regarding YT - first of all someone must have sent multiple complains to YT, I'm more than sure about that! haters gonna hate...
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Google ruined youtube a long time ago.
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They feel airguns are dangerous and I can only guess because I taught people how to modify and work on airguns they deemed this "harmful to minors."
Brian, was there a particular video that was a concern? Could you post it here?
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The people at youtube are anti gun and before long there will not be any thing about guns on this liberal web site. It is the sign of the times. I personally wish some one would start a new sight for all of the gunners and thousands of people would stop using youtube. I hate that the country is so devided, but I do not see things changing in my life time.
Same here. I think Youtube's days are numbered. Google probably knows this and has decided to sacrifice it at the altar of their left-wing ideology.
yes , ive been hearing more and more about the censorship of gun related content... Or even slingshots like the Jorge sprave channel have been demonetized
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Brian, thanks for the heads up. I will look for your videos elsewhere and sorry this has happened. BTW, I find your videos very well done, no nonsense and very informative as well as on point.
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D-tube is a newer up and coming venue that is not owned by corporate. I don't know all the ins and outs but I like it is available as an alternative.
Perhaps we should move our videos there as I understand they wont be censored.
some of you more computer savvy folks can possibly assist on how to upload and set up accounts. I just watch.
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AirgunWeb TV just posted on Facebook saying the same thing, so Keyser isn't the only one getting videos deleted for their new community standards deal.
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In today's world we are all dealing with issues that may not seem fair or right but unfortunately where corporate policy is concerned "Their bat ,their ball and their sand lot"
so the squeaky wheel loudest best organized voices are the ones that are heard. It is more about dollars and sense rather than right and wrong.
That being said lets focus on supporting those that support our hobby and provide the information we need to enjoy our passion for AG's.
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I frequently visit a site called Full30(dot)com that is oriented toward the shooting sports, hunting & other outdoor pursuits. Not sure what their requirements are for uploading content, or their monetization policy (if any), but might be worth looking into.
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I came here to mention D-Tube as well: https://d.tube/
D-Tube is powered by the steem blockchain so you get paid in Steem (a cryptocurrency, currently the most heavily used blockchain in existence). The steem blockchain's "witness nodes" generate the currency regularly and views/votes dictate who gets paid what share.
D-tube is a newer up and coming venue that is not owned by corporate. I don't know all the ins and outs but I like it is available as an alternative.
Perhaps we should move our videos there as I understand they wont be censored.
some of you more computer savvy folks can possibly assist on how to upload and set up accounts. I just watch.
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Just tried to go there and check it out. Got a huge banner saying that it is not a secure site. Grrrr!
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you went to https://d.tube/ and WHAT said it wasn't a secure site? Both Safari and Chrome (on OSX) have no issues with it. The cloudflare SSL cert for it is legitimate. Was it some anti-virus/malware software that said it wasn't a secure site?
Just tried to go there and check it out. Got a huge banner saying that it is not a secure site. Grrrr!
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I could get to D-Tube, but had to adjust my security settings in my browser (FF for Linux).
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the warning says it uses an unsupported protocol.
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Hey Brian, sorry to hear this. Seems some folks have a knee-jerk reaction to current events and are taking "steps" they deem necessary. Bunch of bunk if you ask me. They are taking the WRONG steps that will then give them a false sense of "doing" something.
I received a message a bit earlier today from Rick Eusler that they have terminated his airgunweb site also. I will be getting with him shortly since we had already discussed his having a GTA area last year but we never finished the setup. If you would like such an area on our forum to post your videos, you can always use your vendor gate or get with me and we can set you up a seperate area to post them. This forum was originated to help airgunners and get all information out to the community. And we will continue to do so as long as we are able!!!
Let me know how we can help. Thanks for all you do for us airgun nutz!!!
SAFE & Happy Shooting!!!!
Dave
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All my hunting videos for the hunting gate are unlisted, evidently it's ok if you have them unlisted.
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Hey Brian, sorry to hear this. Seems some folks have a knee-jerk reaction to current events and are taking "steps" they deem necessary. Bunch of bunk if you ask me. They are taking the WRONG steps that will then give them a false sense of "doing" something.
I received a message a bit earlier today from Rick Eusler that they have terminated his airgunweb site also. I will be getting with him shortly since we had already discussed his having a GTA area last year but we never finished the setup. If you would like such an area on our forum to post your videos, you can always use your vendor gate or get with me and we can set you up a seperate area to post them. This forum was originated to help airgunners and get all information out to the community. And we will continue to do so as long as we are able!!!
Let me know how we can help. Thanks for all you do for us airgun nutz!!!
SAFE & Happy Shooting!!!!
Dave
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Sounds like we need a new VIDEO gate!! Way to step up to the plate and offer a home to those who YouTube turned their noses up to.
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Hickock45 started posting videos on full 30 a long time ago because of the hastle that he's gone through with youtube. He just shoots targets too but I see he's still posting on youtube yet ???
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Exactly my thought Travis. What I suggested to my co-admins is setting up the Airgun Video Library. And set up gates on there for Rick, Brian and others as a place to plant their videos for us to enjoy. I'm waiting to hear back from Rich and David as well as needing input and suggestions from Brian and Rick on how they would like to see this set up.
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Exactly my thought Travis. What I suggested to my co-admins is setting up the Airgun Video Library. And set up gates on there for Rick, Brian and others as a place to plant their videos for us to enjoy. I'm waiting to hear back from Rich and David as well as needing input and suggestions from Brian and Rick on how they would like to see this set up.
Stupendous!!!
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Hey guys, just wanted to let you know that my channel "Edgun West" has been terminated by Youtube because they stated I violated their "Community Guidelines". They feel airguns are dangerous and I can only guess because I taught people how to modify and work on airguns they deemed this "harmful to minors." I appealed this decision, but I was unable to get Youtube to change their mind. I have been banned from emailing them again. I am not going to let me stop making videos or sharing them. I started this just having fun, and I was encouraged by Ernest to make DIY videos. This passion eventually led me to import the gun I love above all others "the EDgun". If I stop making videos, it will change my whole business model. I know my videos are wordy and not polished ( I envy Steve's and Matt's professional editing) but I like making no-frills videos. I hope me going to a new hosting service won't prevent people from seeing my videos, but I am left without another option.
Here is my replaced video for the R5 .30, and as I stated before, there will be more in the series
Thanks for understanding
Brian
https://vimeo.com/256891823
I see all the little kids saving their allowance just to buy one of your $1500+ air rifles and souping it up so they can kill an Elephant. No wonder you were dumped by them. Looking forward to see you elseware.
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Its not only hunting they ban even free truth speech if you don't follow the left wing PC ideology they will boot you out or try. They tired to boot these to two conservative black women that happen to be sister from YouTube from what I heard they file a lawsuit against YouTube . When I heard stuff like this it reminder me of the story of Battle Of Athens, Tennessee.
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If they ban all air rifles on the tube, what will I watch on youtube ??? ANSWER NOTHING !!!
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Hey guys, just wanted to let you know that my channel "Edgun West" has been terminated by Youtube because they stated I violated their "Community Guidelines". They feel airguns are dangerous and I can only guess because I taught people how to modify and work on airguns they deemed this "harmful to minors." I appealed this decision, but I was unable to get Youtube to change their mind. I have been banned from emailing them again. I am not going to let me stop making videos or sharing them. I started this just having fun, and I was encouraged by Ernest to make DIY videos. This passion eventually led me to import the gun I love above all others "the EDgun". If I stop making videos, it will change my whole business model. I know my videos are wordy and not polished ( I envy Steve's and Matt's professional editing) but I like making no-frills videos. I hope me going to a new hosting service won't prevent people from seeing my videos, but I am left without another option.
Here is my replaced video for the R5 .30, and as I stated before, there will be more in the series
Thanks for understanding
Brian
https://vimeo.com/256891823
I see all the little kids saving their allowance just to buy one of your $1500+ air rifles and souping it up so they can kill an Elephant. No wonder you were dumped by them. Looking forward to see you elseware.
What?
Is that a joke?
Or a poor attempt at one?
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Hey guys, just wanted to let you know that my channel "Edgun West" has been terminated by Youtube because they stated I violated their "Community Guidelines". They feel airguns are dangerous and I can only guess because I taught people how to modify and work on airguns they deemed this "harmful to minors." I appealed this decision, but I was unable to get Youtube to change their mind. I have been banned from emailing them again. I am not going to let me stop making videos or sharing them. I started this just having fun, and I was encouraged by Ernest to make DIY videos. This passion eventually led me to import the gun I love above all others "the EDgun". If I stop making videos, it will change my whole business model. I know my videos are wordy and not polished ( I envy Steve's and Matt's professional editing) but I like making no-frills videos. I hope me going to a new hosting service won't prevent people from seeing my videos, but I am left without another option.
Here is my replaced video for the R5 .30, and as I stated before, there will be more in the series
Thanks for understanding
Brian
https://vimeo.com/256891823
I see all the little kids saving their allowance just to buy one of your $1500+ air rifles and souping it up so they can kill an Elephant. No wonder you were dumped by them. Looking forward to see you elseware.
What?
Is that a joke?
Or a poor attempt at one?
same thing I thought but often the written word lacks what ones trying to say(I hope)
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So there was not a single video that caused the ban. My videos were very generic, I did not have any pest control on the channel. Not that I am against pest control or hunting videos, I just wasn't good at filming them. In a nutshell, Google would not answer me on what exactly I violated. I think for them it is better to not tell someone and open up legal ramifications.
About the gun,
all the specs can be found here:
https://www.edgunwest.com/store/p57/Edgun_R5_Matador_.30_caliber__%2A%2A_In_Stock%2A%2A.html (https://www.edgunwest.com/store/p57/Edgun_R5_Matador_.30_caliber__%2A%2A_In_Stock%2A%2A.html)
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Youtube has been hard-timing me for a long time, although its been a while since they've tried to ban a video outright. Instead, they've been demonetizing my most popular videos and also age restricting them.
I have noticed a pattern. For whatever reason, a video will start to go viral after sitting around for several months with relatively few views. All of a sudden, it jumps from 25k views to 200k views in a few weeks. Those are the videos that bring in advertising money and lots of new subscribers. Without fail, when a video starts doing that, Youtube steps in and restricts it, taking away my ad money and dramatically limiting who has the video appear as a recommended video from them. The video then dies and my new subscriber numbers shrink about 400-500%. A couple of month later, another video goes viral and the same cycle happens.
I personally think Youtube does it that way to try to restrict the growth of channels they can tell will have content that doesn't fit their agendas. When they see a channel they don't like start to go viral, they step in to restrict the growth best they can. That's my theory anyhow.
Its almost made me walk away from my channel several times. To pour so much time and love into something that a bunch of [fill-in-the-blanks] can take away at the click of a mouse seems like a waste.
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Just to show what age restrictions will do to a video, I had a squirrel video that went viral late last year and was getting about 50k-80k views a month. After it was age restricted, views dropped to less than 200 a month.
Youtube knows "dang" good and well that age restricting a video kills it. That video had been previously reviewed and found appropriate and advertiser friendly. My pleas for an explanation as to the discrepant findings between different reviews fell on deaf ears.
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So there was not a single video that caused the ban. My videos were very generic, I did not have any pest control on the channel. Not that I am against pest control or hunting videos, I just wasn't good at filming them. In a nutshell, Google would not answer me on what exactly I violated. I think for them it is better to not tell someone and open up legal ramifications.
I feel your pain, my news videos, no shooting, were found in violation of YouTube's Community Guidelines and they took my channel down as well.
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Sure amazing how YouTube can be so hard core left wing! I can see why left and right are like two different species these days ???. Too bad, it'd be nice to get a little sanity back and be able to find a middle where people could respect one another and respect different perspectives once again.
Great idea on the video gate! Exciting!
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The unfortunate fact is it’s their website and their rules like it or not. They can change the rules or requirements anytime they want. So the only way to get around this is start your own hosting site or join a co-op that supports your sport etc.
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New Channel is ready. Let me know if there is a subject you'd like me to cover
https://vimeo.com/edgunwest
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I am trying to proactive and get off the tracks before the train comes. I too have created a Vimeo presence.
I am currently in the process of move content over and will create category specific channels to help showcase the content.
https://vimeo.com/hajimotoproductions is my Profile and https://vimeo.com/channels/hpgauntlet is an example of rifle specific content in one location.
Change creates new and more robust avenues of exploration. I thank YouTube for what they offered free of charge and will move on once the hammer drops.
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Brian,
Sorry to hear of your YT ban, but not surprised.
Hope you can post your videos directly to your webpage, and keep the learning rolling. All channels that have anything to do with guns are going to go that way.
Until the DOJ goes after Silicon Valley as the monopoly that it is, free speech is under full assault.
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Reading over the Youtube community guidelines:
https://www.youtube.com/yt/about/policies/#community-guidelines (https://www.youtube.com/yt/about/policies/#community-guidelines)
it all seems quite reasonable...if applied in the spirit it seems to be written. I encourage everyone to read it and see what you think. There's a lot of content on Youtube that seems to me to run close to the edges, and the fact that stuff hasn't been taken down would imply to any attentive content creator that they aren't enforcing it in a heavy handed manner. But...these recent bannings sure don't seem to follow this logic, much less being consistent with the written guidelines. Ultimately, it's their sandbox. As a private entity, they aren't beholden to support free speech and expression. They choose who can and can not participate. But if something that was okay to show yesterday suddenly isn't okay today, it will be seen as unfair and dishonest. That will drive people away--both content creators and viewers--which brings us to our choice...
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Ultimately, it's their sandbox. As a private entity, they aren't beholden to support free speech and expression. They choose who can and can not participate. But if something that was okay to show yesterday suddenly isn't okay today, it will be seen as unfair and dishonest. That will drive people away--both content creators and viewers--which brings us to our choice...
That pretty much sums it up. Also, since it is not 100% across the board, it is unfair not only for content creators but for businesses as well. AoA lost their channel. That puts any other company that DOES still have a YT presence at an immediate advantage.
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Ban YouTube!
Sorry your 1st Amendment rights are being stepped on.
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Someone please explain why Youtube can get away with this absolute nonsense, but if a little cake bakery says it only wants to make edible artwork for traditional Christian weddings.....
"OUCH!!!! STOP IT!!! YOU'RE HURTING ME!!!" Youtube cries out as it strikes
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Keep in mind that this doesn't have to be a whole team of people doing this to us at youtube, it only takes one liberal nut job with a mouse.
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I noticed the newest heat-to-head video from Airgun Depot has been "restricted" on youtube so it can't be viewed.
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I noticed the newest heat-to-head video from Airgun Depot has been "restricted" on youtube so it can't be viewed.
The Gamo Swarm Maxxim vs Walther Terrus one? I can see it fine now, but interesting...
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Hey guy, No more PyramydAir videos.
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Ban YouTube!
Sorry your 1st Amendment rights are being stepped on.
No they are not. You sign an agreement with youtube to post on their site. They set the rules and they can remove content as they see fit without explanation.
Someone please explain why Youtube can get away with this absolute nonsense, but if a little cake bakery says it only wants to make edible artwork for traditional Christian weddings.....
"OUCH!!!! STOP IT!!! YOU'RE HURTING ME!!!" Youtube cries out as it strikes
Again its very simple. You sign a contract with youtube to use their domain to post on. When you sign that agreement you give them the right to decide what they want to allow you to post in their domain.
Its no different than this forum. If someone came on here and started breaking the rules they agree to follow for posting rights they would be removed. Yes the owner/ admins of this site decide what they want to allow to be posted and by who just the same as all other forums on the net.
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Ultimately, it's their sandbox. As a private entity, they aren't beholden to support free speech and expression. They choose who can and can not participate. But if something that was okay to show yesterday suddenly isn't okay today, it will be seen as unfair and dishonest. That will drive people away--both content creators and viewers--which brings us to our choice...
Yeah, I'm sure YouTube is trying to do the right thing, and more recent Junior/High School shootings haven't help. I think the larger population mostly see any gun video as aggressive and misleading to minors. We're definitely the Baby being thrown out with the bathwater on this one. However, my 12 year old Son has probably watched hours videos of people abusing shotguns, rifles and pistols in the worst possible sense. This is all presented as FUN/FUNNY :P
Because my father taught me how to shoot and respect gun's at an early age, I couldn't image of anything more naturally, fun/safe as working on or plinking with airguns. Unfortunately, there is too many unguided Kids and Adults in today's world - period. This is Private censorship by well meaning, but profit oriented corporation, dealing with a global audience.
Well meaning Marketers will just have to find another niche to promote their stuff, and I'm sure they will .............
Now the Photobucket decision was more outright Greedy :P.
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You sign a contract with youtube to use their domain to post on. When you sign that agreement you give them the right to decide what they want to allow you to post in their domain.
Its no different than this forum. If someone came on here and started breaking the rules they agree to follow for posting rights they would be removed. Yes the owner/ admins of this site decide what they want to allow to be posted and by who just the same as all other forums on the net.
Thanks for sharing this as it sums things up pretty "dang" well.
In regards to YouTube and Airgun videos It somewhat needs to be an all or nothing deal at this point. YouTube by being selective in how it decides to arbitrarily apply and enforce it's community guidelines and self policing standards has gong down a very slippery slope of creating a technological controlled caste and censorship system. Businesses that somehow manage to stay on YouTube are in effect given a 'golden ticket', while those who are left on the sidelines are, to put it frankly, screwed over. Unlike websites or video hosting services such as Vimeo, D-Tube, Daily Motion etc, YouTube is based on being a social sharing and discovery platform first, a content sharing system second. Those who are left outside of it's gilded gates are going to pay the consequences.
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Again its very simple. You sign a contract with youtube to use their domain to post on. When you sign that agreement you give them the right to decide what they want to allow you to post in their domain.
Its no different than this forum. If someone came on here and started breaking the rules they agree to follow for posting rights they would be removed. Yes the owner/ admins of this site decide what they want to allow to be posted and by who just the same as all other forums on the net.
You're stating the obvious, but as you highlight, I asked for it. I'm a firm believer that individuals/companies/forums/etc. should be able to do what they want at the expense of losing customers, but thats not the way our country really works though. At least not as far as I can tell. Seems to me there are established "victimized groups" (which just so happen to generally lean extremely far left) that get to bully around conservative companies/people, and sue them into poverty if they think they've done anything that remotely resembles discrimination, meanwhile, stuff like this https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/32946/ (https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/32946/) happens all the time, and its what... part and parcel? Its the hypocrisy of it all, man. Its not like they're JUST censoring gun videos. This has been going on for YEARS, across all four major social media platforms, and its all indicative of how "social justice" has literally nothing to do with justice, and everything to do with silencing those who libs percieve won't mindlessly agree with an agenda that can't even figure out which bathroom to use... Sigh... I digress, and frankly apologize if I'm as bad as them only on the other side. My grandfather/great uncle didn't fight the Nazi's so that their offspring could be called Nazi's just generations later for holding the exact same pro-American, conservative views though...
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Glad I got to see the Swarm vs. Terrus video last night. Sad it's come to this. I love to look at stuff on youtube, but if it's this bad, I can't support it.
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Again its very simple. You sign a contract with youtube to use their domain to post on. When you sign that agreement you give them the right to decide what they want to allow you to post in their domain.
Its no different than this forum. If someone came on here and started breaking the rules they agree to follow for posting rights they would be removed. Yes the owner/ admins of this site decide what they want to allow to be posted and by who just the same as all other forums on the net.
You're stating the obvious, but as you highlight, I asked for it. I'm a firm believer that individuals/companies/forums/etc. should be able to do what they want at the expense of losing customers, but thats not the way our country really works though. At least not as far as I can tell. Seems to me there are established "victimized groups" (which just so happen to generally lean extremely far left) that get to bully around conservative companies/people, and sue them into poverty if they think they've done anything that remotely resembles discrimination, meanwhile, stuff like this https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/32946/ (https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/32946/) happens all the time, and its what... part and parcel? Its the hypocrisy of it all, man. Its not like they're JUST censoring gun videos. This has been going on for YEARS, across all four major social media platforms, and its all indicative of how "social justice" has literally nothing to do with justice, and everything to do with silencing those who libs percieve won't mindlessly agree with an agenda that can't even figure out which bathroom to use... Sigh... I digress, and frankly apologize if I'm as bad as them only on the other side. My grandfather/great uncle didn't fight the Nazi's so that their offspring could be called Nazi's just generations later for holding the exact same pro-American, conservative views though...
In a perfect world people from both sides of the argument would be able to post their ideas and be heard. That does happen sometimes when both sides act as adults and speak with respect while they explain their feelings on any given subject.
People say youtube is antigun and I personally dont know that to be fact or not and they use that statement to argue that youtube is punishing channels that are pro gun. For sake of argument lets say youtube is antigun so if thats true why are people surprised with their actions then? Why do people keep driving revenue to a company like youtube that doesnt support their lifestyle or rights under the constitution? If youtube is anti gun then I have no grounds to complain if they stop allowing all content that has anything to do with guns, airguns, hunting or just shooting for fun since it is their domain. I would expect youtube to do just that if I believed they were antigun.
Lets flip the coin now. What do you think would happen if people who are anti gun, airgun, hunting and plinking joined this forum or other gun, airgun, hunting and plinking forums and started to post videos and threads supporting their anti gun ideas? Do you think the owners/admins of those forums would allow anti gun/airgun members to push their agenda? I bet most or all of that content would be removed along with the members posting the content. My grandpa would say "whats good for the goose is good for the gander".
Both sides are correct in wanting to remove content they find offensive or against their beliefs after all thats one reason to have a forum dedicated to what you like to do. What people should be concerned about is the continued support and making money for the anti gun/ hunting entities out there by pro gun/hunting people.
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Very sorry to hear that so many have been bullied by YouTube lately. I've been preparing for this for awhile now and moved much of my content to Vimeo as well as several other hosting sites. I think difficult situations like this may just bring us all closer, something great is in the works and can't wait to share it in the next week. The worst feeling is to walk on eggshells and have to wonder when someone's going to push a button and delete content. For some like myself it's not just content, it's hours of hard work and creativity and memories in video form. Very sad times!!
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Looking forward to the solution you all are cooking up!
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Keep in mind that this doesn't have to be a whole team of people doing this to us at youtube, it only takes one liberal nut job with a mouse.
+1
It allegedly only took one person with an agenda to "accidentally" shut down Trump's Twitter account! ::)
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Unfortunately censoring information will always happen this is nothing new and has occurred throughout history. Censoring is a double edged sword and cuts both ways. Youtube is a business and it is all about $$$$$ so if they see viewer and site visits drop off dramatically the censoring decisions will be rethought. IF we vote with our internet surfing even the ~15,000 members here and other members of hunting ,fishing and shooting sports forums stop visiting youtube the negative impact on their advertisers income will be quickly drawn to the decision makers attention.So like I said this whole thing is all about $$$$ and where the revenue comes from.
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Ban YouTube!
Sorry your 1st Amendment rights are being stepped on.
YouTube is the government now?
This is a simple property rights issue. Should I be allowed to paint my advertising on your house?
The government should never force anyone to host a message they don't want to.
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In a perfect world people from both sides of the argument would be able to post their ideas and be heard. That does happen sometimes when both sides act as adults and speak with respect while they explain their feelings on any given subject.
People say youtube is antigun and I personally dont know that to be fact or not and they use that statement to argue that youtube is punishing channels that are pro gun. For sake of argument lets say youtube is antigun so if thats true why are people surprised with their actions then? Why do people keep driving revenue to a company like youtube that doesnt support their lifestyle or rights under the constitution? If youtube is anti gun then I have no grounds to complain if they stop allowing all content that has anything to do with guns, airguns, hunting or just shooting for fun since it is their domain. I would expect youtube to do just that if I believed they were antigun.
Lets flip the coin now. What do you think would happen if people who are anti gun, airgun, hunting and plinking joined this forum or other gun, airgun, hunting and plinking forums and started to post videos and threads supporting their anti gun ideas? Do you think the owners/admins of those forums would allow anti gun/airgun members to push their agenda? I bet most or all of that content would be removed along with the members posting the content. My grandpa would say "whats good for the goose is good for the gander".
Both sides are correct in wanting to remove content they find offensive or against their beliefs after all thats one reason to have a forum dedicated to what you like to do. What people should be concerned about is the continued support and making money for the anti gun/ hunting entities out there by pro gun/hunting people.
Your logic holds true, and I agree with what you're saying. I just worry knowing full well kids and average non-gun owners aren't going to boycott Youtube so long as they can watch their five favorite content makers blow up watermelons and paint cans with guns they've seen in movies and video games.. We're being pushed against the wall. Our sport, hobby, way of life- many on here's livelihood - is getting bastardized by billionaires, and forced into taboo obscurity. I know protesting isn't really something we do on the right, but I really, REALLY wish we could come together on some level as gun owners and just decent people to show the likes of Youtube what we think of them saying educational gun videos harm children, but Miley Cyrus (or whoever is popular today) promoting illegal and objectively degenerate behavior is fine for hundreds of millions of kids to absorb un-age restricted. (not saying lets try ban random things or sue Youtube, but they're such an influential monolith that we should say, well... something... right?)
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I heard Bwalton got axed also.
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Rick the problem I am starting to see with our group of people that includes big game hunters, small game hunters, shooting enthusiasts and anyone that is pro 2nd amendment is the fact our group or industry as a whole continues to drive money "power" into the pockets of the very people who want to remove our interest. We as a group or industry needs to stand up together to make sure we are heard and that our revenue is going into the pockets that help us. I know thats hard to do these days because so many companies are tied to the anti group. We cant keep all our revenue out of their hands but I agree with Don that we as a group can make a big enough impact by removing our money from as many of these places as possible. This happened not to long ago with youtube changing policies that hurt hunting and shooting channels and no one has come up with a site dedicated to our shooting sports. It seems people just took it and said well we will start a fund for the channel so it can keep running and now they are seeing what a bad mistake that was.
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I heard Bwalton got axed also.
I just checked his site and yes its down. I need to see if all the original copies of my videos are on my hard drive cause it looks like they are moving down a list removing channels.
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I see the squirrel hunters channel is still up. He has a bunch of videos of just killing so I wonder whats bringing channels to youtubes attention. Im guessing a group of people probably ones that have negative posts on channels decided to flag as many channels as possible to get them removed.
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Heres a couple more channels I didnt know got removed:
pyramid air
robert lanes channel
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AoA,
EdGun Weat,
Pyarmyd,
Umarex,
Daystate,
MTC / Daystate / Brocock support,
Robert Lane,
AirgunsARP,
Baxter's,
Airgun Evolution (i think that's what it's called)
And about a half dozen other smaller ones.
My rant if anyone wants to waste their time:
https://vimeo.com/257277548
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Wow, this is out of control. Even Robert Lane’s? Yeah, regulator operation is some controversial stuff for sure. Thank goodness that stuff finally got scrubbed so sensitive eyes don’t have to endure the trauma.
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Just checked and Robert Lane's channel is up as of now:
https://www.youtube.com/user/robertlanedesign/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/robertlanedesign/videos)
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Just checked and Robert Lane's channel is up as of now:
https://www.youtube.com/user/robertlanedesign/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/robertlanedesign/videos)
Thats correct. I forgot he created the new channel and I was looking at his old one.
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I don't think I have a channel per se but if the scrub my videos are they gone for good ?
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I don't think I have a channel per se but if the scrub my videos are they gone for good ?
If they Scrub or delete your account, they are gone for good Manny.
If you need a place to store them, even on a temp basis, shoot me a message and I'll do what I can to help.
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I don't think I have a channel per se but if the scrub my videos are they gone for good ?
Yes.
I just checked my hard drive real quick and I dont see my videos. I just started the archive option to download my videos from youtube in original format that I uploaded them to my hard drive so I wont lose anything. Manny its pretty easy to do and if I was you I would download my videos before something happens.
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Sounds like a business opportunity.
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Well, I have the most basic Chromebook so I don't think I have enough storage space to download all my videos.
So if they delete my account all the videos in my threads will disappear right ?
Well look like all my threads will be bare pretty soon since Photobucket just Emailed me they are discontinuing the Plus program I had now for a decade or so and I'm not going to pay 100 bucks for the program they are substituting it with.
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Well, I have the most basic Chromebook so I don't think I have enough storage space to download all my videos.
So if they delete my account all the videos in my threads will disappear right ?
Well look like all my threads will be bare pretty soon since Photobucket just Emailed me they are discontinuing the Plus program I had now for a decade or so and I'm not going to pay 100 bucks for the program they are substituting it with.
Does the chrome book have a usb port? If it does you might be able to put them onto a flash drive. The only other option that I can think of is to use someones computer that you know and download the videos then put them on a flash drive. I have allot of HD videos on my channel and its only 12 gb of data to download cause it compresses it. You shouldnt have to much data for the download but you will still need a hard drive to download it to.
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Manny you can also download all your photobucket pics also. You need to find youreself a computer to use or anyone you can trust with your login info so they can download it for you. You have to much info to just lose so hopefully you can find a way to get the data off the sites.
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Leland, I hear you loud and clear. All i can say is that for now, I'm done with Youtube, and am now happily following Edgun West and Airguns:ARP on Vimeo. There's always a tipping point, and something tells me Youtube is going to panic when they realize the pendulum is swinging away. A GTA video gate would be awesome too, just don't want to see our sport by getting quarantined.
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Add Airgunweb to the list.
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Very true, YouTube has the right to dictate what they allow. Hopefully a new airgun video platform will be announced soon as has been hinted at, and hopefully those who made their living on the videos will be able to keep their sponsors and advertisers as well, if that is possible.
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I think I can link my videos directly to this forum with my editing program I use. My videos on youtube are mainly kill videos so im sure I will be flagged and removed. I havnt posted any videos in awhile but one was flagged a couple months ago and youtube age restricted it. I was hoping to have time this year to do videos other than kill shots and add firearms related videos that included hunting to my youtube channel. Guess I need to find another outlet to post on.
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I've got a lot of hunting video's but they're all unlisted, I haven't been banned yet. Maybe it's every channel that has the word "GUN" in it ??? I've uploaded quite a few metal detecting videos on facebook in the past but not recently. On facebook if you upload a 720P video that's all you will be able to watch it in, I've found that 480P is better for watching because my connection needs to load a 720P resolution.
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I just went thru my videos I downloaded from youtube and found out any video that has copyrighted info will not download. I went thru the 8 videos and removed the copyrighted material. When thats done editing I will down load those. So if you have any videos that have copyright material remove it first then download.
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Ted has put up a finely articulated appeal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVVP5KNbCII (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVVP5KNbCII)
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I get the message "this video is restricted. It must be approved for you to view it" all on a blank black background. Maybe they think I am not old enough??
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Ted has put up a finely articulated appeal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVVP5KNbCII (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVVP5KNbCII)
Almost she’s a tear.
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Here is a short article I wrote that may help. 8)
http://mountainsportairguns.com/youtube-airgun-community/ (http://mountainsportairguns.com/youtube-airgun-community/)
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Guys,
They pulled my video of SEEING SLUGS IN AIR and gave me a strike. TED'S HOLDOVER has more information here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVVP5KNbCII&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVVP5KNbCII&feature=youtu.be)
Also the list as of now Channels/sites Terminated or things pulled or flagged
AirgunsofArizona - TERMINATED AirgunGearShow - STRIKE Airgun Exploration and Advancement Channel (AEAC) - STRIKE Airgun Hunter Extreme channel - TERMINATED AirgunWeb - TERMINATED TonyRoman - TERMINATED AirArmsHuntingSA - STRIKE AirgunnerSA - STRIKE AmericanAirgunner - STRIKE DaystateLTD - TERMINATED HatsanUSA - TERMINATED PyramydAir - TERMINATED UmarexAir - TERMINATED
Bad situation..................
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Opportunity. Somebody is going to Zuckerberg an alternative. Probably already has.
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I guess we are all just "Bad Boy's" Screw youtube :P
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Opportunity. Somebody is going to Zuckerberg an alternative. Probably already has.
Yup, if YouTube won't host it someone will make a lot of money doing it.
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If it wasn't for Google this more than likely never would have happened, I even screen movies now that I watch, if they're filmed in Hollywood I don't watch them.
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Sorry to BLUNTLY SPEAKING but, the conservative voices are in danger.. Not politically speaking but as the first amendment terms...
When they want to push the gun debate, they will push it to the limit and I don't like it a bit.. They want to make the world suffer for one bad guy that play in their GUNWAR debate yard... My feelings are not good for gun owner and bill of rights is under attack now...
And I want to rehiterate that i'm not speeking of politics here but the foundation of the US are mined from within....
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Late to the party again! Thanks to all of you for the information on what Youtube has been doing. A friend had sent me Ted's video and so I logged in on here as I knew a thread would exist adding some depth.
A few thoughts to add. We are in a time where we are all ambassadors to our sport. When I watched Ted's video and read some of your comments to say I appreciate the thoughtful and articulate ones would be an understatement. For those of you who think the exchange of ideas is in name calling or labeling people who do not agree with your worldview, well, you are adding to the problems we face. In addition, it just as anti-intellectual as some of the ideas our culture and society now adhere to. Now before your inner-lawyer starts objecting to my critique take a moment and think about a time in your life were someone convinced you that maybe your ideas on a matter were wrong...did they change your mind by insults? Doubt it. Do insults make a person reflect on what they believe, what they truly believe? No, insults make the person more tribal and adhere to their beliefs harder.
Never have I been so busy in talking with friends, whom are rather liberal, on issues than lately due to the mass shootings. We don't always agree, but they appreciate they can come to me, ask hard questions on gun ownership and I give nuanced answers. Our shooting sports are for all to enjoy. NOT just for those who see the world the way you or I might. To help promote this I recently became a IDPA Safety Officer with a local club that hosts those shoots. Why? Because I am one of the first faces a new shooter meets and I strive to welcome any shooter into the sport and I can assure you based on the volume of new people we get we do not all have the same political beliefs, but what we do share is an interest in the shooting sports and at some level the 2nd Amendment. Thats how you forge bonds and friendships.
In closing, think about this. How many of you have the time to volunteer for your local 4-H or Civilian Marksmanship Program? Seriously, check out both in your area and I bet they have a youth program. I know out local 4-H does and a good friends daughter is at the University of Nevada on a scholarship because her 10m 4-H club was badA$$$. They need volunteers. Maybe they could have two clubs going but don't have the leader to start the second. Imagine getting 10 or more new shooters involved in the sport! They grow up and possibly train their children or get involved too. Imagine meeting parents whom are reluctant at first, but you welcome them in with there child to be a partner in the shooting sports.
We foster change and growth by building communities of people who enjoy similar interests. Not sitting watching TV channels that tell us what we want to hear and already believe.
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Dan, Excellent post articulate and well stated.
Late to the party again! Thanks to all of you for the information on what Youtube has been doing. A friend had sent me Ted's video and so I logged in on here as I knew a thread would exist adding some depth.
We foster change and growth by building communities of people who enjoy similar interests. Not sitting watching TV channels that tell us what we want to hear and already believe.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVVP5KNbCII&feature=em-subs_digest (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVVP5KNbCII&feature=em-subs_digest)
Ted has made a good well spoken video on the topic.
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Jeez what YouTube is doing is GROSS
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Some big names have gone down.
AirgunsofArizona - TERMINATED
AirgunGearShow - TERMINATED
Airgun Exploration and Advancement Channel (AEAC) - STRIKE
Airgun Hunter Extreme channel - TERMINATED
AirgunWeb - TERMINATED
Airguns Air Rifles And Pistols - TERMINATED
AirArmsHuntingSA - STRIKE
AirgunnerSA - STRIKE
AmericanAirgunner - TERMINATED
DaystateLTD - TERMINATED
HatsanUSA - TERMINATED
HoldOverVlog - TERMINATED
PyramydAir - TERMINATED
UmarexAir - TERMINATED
UtahAirguns - TERMINATED
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Yes this is sad, I hope it will get resolved soon. I think for a lot of these guys it is a major source of income and obviously what they love to do.
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Late to the party again!
All good advice. The fly in the ointment is, sadly, the other side is tone deaf, and has no interest in being so level-headed and open-minded. It would be nice if they played nice, but they don't. They use Saul Alinsky's tactics. They don't play nice. For the most part, they don't respond to nice. If they do, I haven't seen it.
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Simple solution all gun owners and hunting advocates no matter the flavor should boycott YouTube and all their derivatives . If this goes unanswered next it will be fishing on the YouTube hit list for cruelty to fish
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Robert's video is well reasoned and well done. I am sure the various owners of youtube, facebook, google, et al. really do not care about rights of gun owners, air or otherwise.
As far as boycotting, I have always resisted facebook, youtube, and the rest. It cannot be removed from my mind that they would just as soon be done with us. What is really needed is another venue coming from another direction, but that requires considerable capital and expertise.
(If this is treading upon any prohibitions, apologies, and please remove)
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The power of so few people high in the tech world is pretty scary, but that is the reality given the cost of entry is now so incredibly high. How do you fight Google? Realistically there is no way? There really is no alternative, free markets can be closed out by incredibly high costs of entry.
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The power of so few people high in the tech world is pretty scary, but that is the reality given the cost of entry is now so incredibly high. How do you fight Google? Realistically there is no way? There really is no alternative, free markets can be closed out by incredibly high costs of entry. I assume this has happen in response to the Florida shooting.
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There are monopolies in place, and it was predicted by a Journalist I wont mention that this would happen.. Not only can google and facebook control content on their sites, they can actually control content on 90% OF the internet.. REASON?? Ad placements.. Almost all ads are partnered to google in some capacity.. Censorship is just the start , they want to change the way and manner in which you think.. Buckle up
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I'm not really sure why Ted thinks begging will do anything? The fact is YouTube already dumped a ton of Airgun channels. For some people this actually "ruined" a huge part of the financial livelihood they had. Years of hard work and a huge following only to have it removed and erased. Even if they do lighten up, the damage is already irreversible and inexcusable. I've chosen to no longer upload videos to YouTube and let the channel go, I'm all moved over to Vimeo and working on another site that will work with it.
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I looked on UTube it looks like they only hit UTubers they were monetizing.
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If so, I wonder why. They have been demonetizing content for a while now. So if the aim is to prevent content creators from making money on "controversial" subject matter, they've had a mechanism in place for that for some time.
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And now Ted's channel says it has no content...
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNqIq439XbEIeJhFJca2J-g (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNqIq439XbEIeJhFJca2J-g)
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The power of so few people high in the tech world is pretty scary, but that is the reality given the cost of entry is now so incredibly high. How do you fight Google? Realistically there is no way? There really is no alternative, free markets can be closed out by incredibly high costs of entry.
The cost to start is very low, that is how Google started.
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If so, I wonder why. They have been demonetizing content for a while now. So if the aim is to prevent content creators from making money on "controversial" subject matter, they've had a mechanism in place for that for some time.
No, the aim is to not irritate companies that buy ads. They want to create the next cable tv, companies don't want to risk having their advertising on controversial content.
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The power of so few people high in the tech world is pretty scary, but that is the reality given the cost of entry is now so incredibly high. How do you fight Google? Realistically there is no way? There really is no alternative, free markets can be closed out by incredibly high costs of entry.
The cost to start is very low, that is how Google started.
With new concepts the cost of entry can be low, but the ramps up quickly as players succeed and get larger. Now in tech this happens incredibly quickly. You are not proposing a new product you are proposing competing with Google, to really do that would take a lot of investment. Sure you can easily start a video company no one will visit or see?
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And now Ted's channel says it has no content...
FWIW, I figure Ted took action to help ensure his channel doesn't get terminated. In light of all the recent chaos, that may be the only way to keep his channel alive, which in turn is necessary to keep up his new video appealing to Robert Kyncl of Youtube to fix this mess.
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No, the aim is to not irritate companies that buy ads. They want to create the next cable tv, companies don't want to risk having their advertising on controversial content.
Okay, fair enough. It's not about punishing content creators, it's about appeasing advertisers. So does this mean the demonetization didn't take it far enough, and now the mere presence of videos about airguns is deemed so offensive to advertisers that Youtube has decided it must be completely removed from their site? I can't imagine that's the case unless Robert Kyncl is a liar, liar, pants on fire. I was thinking more likely this is a coordinated effort by activists to flag content for takedown and Youtube is behind the 8 ball because of the sheer volume.
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Google bought Youtube for $1.65 billion in stock. Every business that is huge today started small if you look back far enough.
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I just got my first strike and most likely while I'm asleep more to follow so I am not able to appeal and my channel will be auto deleted after uploading video for TEN years
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What is a strike ?
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Late to the party again!
All good advice. The fly in the ointment is, sadly, the other side is tone deaf, and has no interest in being so level-headed and open-minded. It would be nice if they played nice, but they don't. They use Saul Alinsky's tactics. They don't play nice. For the most part, they don't respond to nice. If they do, I haven't seen it.
That is a more REALISTIC VIEW on the subject.. I don't mind having a CIVILISED CONVERSATION if need be.. The reality is more insidious than smooth talk... What is the purpose of a parent have a sweet talk to his child when the kid put his finger in his hear and sing out loud when you try to explain your view????????? A cat is a cat and a dog is a dog.. I know some of us are more in the moderate feeling and view but, sometimes, reality has to punch back to be noticed....
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I just got my first strike and most likely while I'm asleep more to follow so I am not able to appeal and my channel will be auto deleted after uploading video for TEN years
Youtube strike https://vimeo.com/257381091
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My channel just got flagged today. The deleted one of my coon videos and gave me a strike. As I've pointed out before, they focus on whatever video is bringing the most traffic to the channel.
I've got all my old videos backed up and archived, and I'm backing up my new videos right now. I now have a better computer than I did and I can keep all my videos in case I ever have to move or replace them.
I've been targeted by antis many times before, and every time I fought Youtube backed me up in the end, although they have taken to age restricting my videos and that kills traffic. This is different. Its irrelevant that they've found the same videos fine in the past after reviewing them.
I have lots of political things to say about it, but I won't say them here. I'm about to go outside and film a video for my channel and post it up.
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Big Brother is alive and well.
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Here's Steve from airgun exploration. Makes sense his thinking on what is happening. Real shame. Hopefully YouTube is not behind it as well and things can eventually be sorted out. Unfortunately those that lost their videos may never have them restored? I wonder if YouTube can even restore deleted videos if they want to?
Here's Steve:
https://youtu.be/Vs19JYvL5Jg
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No, the aim is to not irritate companies that buy ads. They want to create the next cable tv, companies don't want to risk having their advertising on controversial content.
Okay, fair enough. It's not about punishing content creators, it's about appeasing advertisers. So does this mean the demonetization didn't take it far enough, and now the mere presence of videos about airguns is deemed so offensive to advertisers that Youtube has decided it must be completely removed from their site? I can't imagine that's the case unless Robert Kyncl is a liar, liar, pants on fire. I was thinking more likely this is a coordinated effort by activists to flag content for takedown and Youtube is behind the 8 ball because of the sheer volume.
I am sure there is plenty of both.
Even if videos don't have advertising they share the platform.
I am sure if they believe there is more money to be made one way or the other that will happen.
This is economics not politics. Complaining about one side or the other misses the point.
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I'd say the timing is a bit suspect.
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The power of so few people high in the tech world is pretty scary, but that is the reality given the cost of entry is now so incredibly high. How do you fight Google? Realistically there is no way? There really is no alternative, free markets can be closed out by incredibly high costs of entry.
The cost to start is very low, that is how Google started.
With new concepts the cost of entry can be low, but the ramps up quickly as players succeed and get larger. Now in tech this happens incredibly quickly. You are not proposing a new product you are proposing competing with Google, to really do that would take a lot of investment. Sure you can easily start a video company no one will visit or see?
You have to start somewhere.
The real challenge in competing with Google is not in getting an audience or userbase, the challenge is not getting the wrong userbase. Look at some of those new social media sites, they turn into nazi havens. I don't mean that as a slur, I mean actual nazis. As in uniforms, swastikas and the lot. The minute your site has that image you are done.
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I'd say the timing is a bit suspect.
I know first hand that this all started prior to the recent horrific mass shooting.
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Tony, why do you think YouTube started this? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.
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So, how about all the videos of stupid people doing stupid things with guns? Or the "what goes around comes around" karma compilation videos of robbers and bad guys having their shhhh!t blown away by armed store owners? That's violence. YouTube gonna' shut them down too? How about Coalition Forces infra-red gun-cam footage from drones and warbirds depicting time of impact and the light colored body parts scattering in all directions? They gonna' delete that too? How about the Rodney King riots? How about the Black Lives Matter violent protest content? How about the violent protests against conservative speakers on our college campuses? That's violence. Violent content is okay? But gun content is not? How about me using my crappie hooks to impale a minnow, before lowering it into the water to be drowned or...be eaten alive by another fish? That's violence. Where does it stop?
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I couldn't have said it any better Ray !!!
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I think this is probably more to do with an organized push by anti-hunters than it is gun grabbers after the recent shooting.
Youtube started throttling the traffic on my channel a month ago that was coming from my airgun hunting videos. I get death threats from antis with some regularity thru my channel. I think they find airgun hunting especially offensive because our videos are usually scope cam or highly zoomed in and show impacts and aftermaths in slow motion. Even though videos and channels are being flagged and banned that don't show actual airgun hunting, most people who are into airguns are into them for hunting, or so the perception is.
I think they perceive us as weaker than the NRA protected firearm community and therefore an easier target.
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This fellow claims Google+ was the issue for the banning. Google+ is more restrictive and is tied in with the youtube. He deleted all the Google+ material in hopes of not being flagged again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09UVlavc-Uk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09UVlavc-Uk)
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I think this is probably more to do with an organized push by anti-hunters than it is gun grabbers after the recent shooting.
Youtube started throttling the traffic on my channel a month ago that was coming from my airgun hunting videos. I get death threats from antis with some regularity thru my channel. I think they find airgun hunting especially offensive because our videos are usually scope cam or highly zoomed in and show impacts and aftermaths in slow motion. Even though videos and channels are being flagged and banned that don't show actual airgun hunting, most people who are into airguns are into them for hunting, or so the perception is.
I think they perceive us as weaker than the NRA protected firearm community and therefore an easier target.
In my humble opinion the anti’s are going after anything that resembles a firearm. Several airgun channels that don’t have anything to do with hunting have been terminated. Several firearm channels that aslo have zero to do with hunting have also been terminated. The anti hunters that threaten people with death are just one step above sick. I’m sorry to hear that you (and many others) have received death threats.
I’m thinking that there is very large anti gun group that has a closed FB group coordinating the attacks, with YT happily obliging.
(http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af236/mata777/D90849F1-0164-4AB0-B9F1-8969C3D87BF1.png) (http://s1011.photobucket.com/user/mata777/media/D90849F1-0164-4AB0-B9F1-8969C3D87BF1.png.html)
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This fellow claims Google+ was the issue for the banning.
That video is from 2 years ago.
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For everyone who has a channel with content I would say do the same as the other channels and privatize your channel and I would privatize your entire channel even your playlists, liked videos and channels you are subscribed to. That should at least keep your channel and content from being removed.
I think this is probably more to do with an organized push by anti-hunters than it is gun grabbers after the recent shooting.
Youtube started throttling the traffic on my channel a month ago that was coming from my airgun hunting videos. I get death threats from antis with some regularity thru my channel. I think they find airgun hunting especially offensive because our videos are usually scope cam or highly zoomed in and show impacts and aftermaths in slow motion. Even though videos and channels are being flagged and banned that don't show actual airgun hunting, most people who are into airguns are into them for hunting, or so the perception is.
I think they perceive us as weaker than the NRA protected firearm community and therefore an easier target.
That sounds like a very plausible scenario based on some peoples explanation about being flagged by viewers fast enough that they could not appeal the flags and reached the level for termination. Has anyone looked into youtube channels to see if there are large revenue generating channels that are connected to the groups of people who support the destruction of our lifestyle? If there are I wonder how youtube would respond if suddenly those channels were targeted in much the same way our community is and they started getting removed. I would think youtube would start to lose some serious revenue if there was a cyberwar played out on their front lawn. Maybe not I dont know how the ad revenue works but I would think if channels get removed the revenue is lost that channel generates.
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Wow, That answered a lot of questions. I just watched two videos last night on youtube and now I can not find them.
I actually still trying to process this. I'm new to air gunning and last night I watched several video's on reviews. (At a low volume). Decided today to watch them where I could hear them and they were gone.
I apologize that I did not note the names. One gentleman was from South Africa. (Great shooter and gave good reviews). The second was from a guy here in the states. (Took staples in his head).
Wow
Dave from diller
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Here's Steve from airgun exploration. Makes sense his thinking on what is happening. Real shame. Hopefully YouTube is not behind it as well and things can eventually be sorted out. Unfortunately those that lost their videos may never have them restored? I wonder if YouTube can even restore deleted videos if they want to?
Here's Steve:
https://youtu.be/Vs19JYvL5Jg
We should all comment on Steve's video and like it. I have done so. We need to show that many air guns are a sport and should not be banned from YouTube.
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I started a couple groups on mewe.com. And also with Rick Uestler's badassairguns.com. But I think it's total idiotic to let people flag or even thumbs down a video and hide behind the system. They should have to reveal themselves publicly for the flag or thumbs down. If not, then booth them off! Or if they flag or thumbs down, and nothing is wrong with the video, then boot them off! See how fast the BS stops! It's happening because there is no system in place to hold them accountable.
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Tony, why do you think YouTube started this? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.
So here's some background from what I've shared so far: https://www.airgunsarp.com/2018/02/25/youtubes-censorship-of-airguns-has-begun/ (https://www.airgunsarp.com/2018/02/25/youtubes-censorship-of-airguns-has-begun/)
As to my thoughts...
I think it's two fold.
YouTube got caught with it's pants down over the whole Logan Paul incident. He was a YouTube partner, meaning his content was monetized and had a special relationship with YouTube. He had 15 million subscribers. He was an idiot, and posted some truly idiotic videos, including a few that resulted in some international condemnation and threats by YouTube's advertising partners to pull their ad dollars off the platform.
As a result YouTube publicly announced that they'd hire 10,000 new content reviewers. I think PART of the the issue has to do with these inexperienced and in light of recent events, potentially biased content reviewers.
Sheer speculation on my part is that there were some changes to how their algorithms are not identifying and categorizing content that is flagged as being in violation of their community guidelines.
Ultimately, YouTube has a ton of trash on it, and they NEED to do something to better police the content they allow on their platform. Unfortunately I think we'll see them revisit their Community Guidelines and be more restrictive in ways that will limit the 2A / Shooting sport related videos we see on the platform in the future.
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Every time I try to view something posted here I get the message "this video is restricted. It must be approved for you to view it". YouTube is pretty much worthless to me now.
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FYI - It appears AOA's channel is back up.
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I will resume the experience we actually deal with as WHEN I WAS YOUNGER... You want to get some good time and go to the bar with some good friends with the right state of mind to not offend anyone and enjoy the time you spent with your friends.. During your escapade , a guy not related to anyone of your team of friend is harassing and targeting someone in the crew because he is drunk by too much and want to try impress for no valuable reason... In some situations, you can try to resonate the weak mind acting friendly with him to turn the heat down to a manageable level ... But in some of the situation I have been into, there is no REASONNING AT SOME POINT and if you are not protecting you and your related, you are entering a dangerous zone that you already know where it will lead off.... The ole youtube situation and the debate exchange will lead this way in my opinion because there is one side that don't evaluate the consequences of their act and the other want to conserve their head leveled.... My two cents...
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FYI - It appears AOA's channel is back up.
The channel is there but it looks like they moved all their videos to private.
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What is really needed is another venue coming from another direction, but that requires considerable capital and expertise.
You can sign up for a Wordpress web site for zero cost. You will have to learn how to operate a Wordpress web site but that is doable by mere mortals.
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What is really needed is another venue coming from another direction, but that requires considerable capital and expertise.
You can sign up for a Wordpress web site for zero cost. You will have to learn how to operate a Wordpress web site but that is doable by mere mortals.
The issue is monetization, not hosting. You've always been able to host your own content for nothing via multiple "start your own website/blog sites". YouTube became the "catchall" place for content due to Google's search algorithm taking you there (the very reason the FTC and SEC NEVER should have approved to acquisition of YouTube by Google) when using their search engine.
Once people became "partners" with YT, and the dollars started coming in, you had the opportunity to create content for a living. That's fantastic, only now creators are realizing that they are only welcome if their content fits YT/Googles liberal, anti-freedoms, anti-American agenda.
Content creators quit their day jobs. Money started rolling in, and what a great opportunity it was. That is now under fire and will shortly be removed.
Bottom line; shooters and similar communities need to face the realization that they will have to go back to hosting content privately, and their revenue sources will have to come from somewhere other than YT. If you are Airguns of Arizona or Pyramyd Air, no big deal. The content supports the sales of their products and the revenue comes in regardless.
For air gun gear reviewers, the party is over. I know Steve at AEAC has some sponsors, but not sure if that is enough to support him and his family. I guess not based upon his emotional plea to the overlords at YT.
We, as content consumers, have been spoiled. All this fantastic information for free. Maybe it is time to go to a subscription based content host, where you pay x $/year, and you get all the content that you are interested in. If that happens, I would think that retailers and other product manufacturers will show up on those sites with sponsorships, kind of like the model here on GTA and AGN.
It'll be interesting to see how things shake out, but I think it will be okay. I'm more than willing to fork out some money to consume content that I support instead of going to YT for free where I am told my voice doesn't count, and I can't be who I want to be.
No thanks.
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What is really needed is another venue coming from another direction, but that requires considerable capital and expertise.
You can sign up for a Wordpress web site for zero cost. You will have to learn how to operate a Wordpress web site but that is doable by mere mortals.
The issue is monetization, not hosting. You've always been able to host your own content for nothing via multiple "start your own website/blog sites". YouTube became the "catchall" place for content due to Google's search algorithm taking you there (the very reason the FTC and SEC NEVER should have approved to acquisition of YouTube by Google) when using their search engine.
Once people became "partners" with YT, and the dollars started coming in, you had the opportunity to create content for a living. That's fantastic, only now creators are realizing that they are only welcome if their content fits YT/Googles liberal, anti-freedoms, anti-American agenda.
Content creators quit their day jobs. Money started rolling in, and what a great opportunity it was. That is now under fire and will shortly be removed.
Bottom line; shooters and similar communities need to face the realization that they will have to go back to hosting content privately, and their revenue sources will have to come from somewhere other than YT. If you are Airguns of Arizona or Pyramyd Air, no big deal. The content supports the sales of their products and the revenue comes in regardless.
For air gun gear reviewers, the party is over. I know Steve at AEAC has some sponsors, but not sure if that is enough to support him and his family. I guess not based upon his emotional plea to the overlords at YT.
We, as content consumers, have been spoiled. All this fantastic information for free. Maybe it is time to go to a subscription based content host, where you pay x $/year, and you get all the content that you are interested in. If that happens, I would think that retailers and other product manufacturers will show up on those sites with sponsorships, kind of like the model here on GTA and AGN.
It'll be interesting to see how things shake out, but I think it will be okay. I'm more than willing to fork out some money to consume content that I support instead of going to YT for free where I am told my voice doesn't count, and I can't be who I want to be.
No thanks.
well said.. I subscribe to a channel where the owner showed everyone his monetization page , he was making 18,000 dollars a month in ad revenue.. His channel is corvettes , not airguns , but there WAS serious money involved.
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Update: Pyramid Air is back up on YouTube. Hopefully it all gets sorted out soon and YouTube puts some safeguards in place to stop radicals from shutting everything down.
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Looks like squirrel hunter channel has removed all his video's himself.
Channel still there, just no content.
https://www.youtube.com/user/squirrelhuntertv/featured (https://www.youtube.com/user/squirrelhuntertv/featured)
Ray
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Yep. this came on yahoo's feed. many mentions of the FL shooter having AGs... We got associated with it. And only 3 tags by a viewer/attacker/flager....well that's just easy pickings for anti's to shut down our friends. glad some are rebounding already.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/25/us/nikolas-cruz-warning-signs/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/25/us/nikolas-cruz-warning-signs/index.html)
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Yep. this came on yahoo's feed. many mentions of the FL shooter having AGs... We got associated with it. And only 3 tags by a viewer/attacker/flager....well that's just easy pickings for anti's to shut down our friends. glad some are rebounding already.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/25/us/nikolas-cruz-warning-signs/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/25/us/nikolas-cruz-warning-signs/index.html)
he was pictured with a 1377 all over
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Wonderful. :-\
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(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4631/38690612110_cc386c83b8.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21WXv29)cruz gu7ns (https://flic.kr/p/21WXv29) by murphyrobert9 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/56743574@N07/), on Flickr
the media pics had him holding the 1377 in his room with a nutty look
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And that my friends is how "one bad apple spoils the whole bunch" term came to be.
I've been thinking it was probably gonna end up being some "nut job" who shot somebody with a big bore that would get this
mess started. Guess I was wrong.:(
Ray
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well that explains why people are taking out their anger on airguns I guess... dang. One bad apple indeed. I only saw the picture of him holding an airsoft pistol. Sad
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well that explains why people are taking out their anger on airguns I guess... dang. One bad apple indeed. I only saw the picture of him holding an airsoft pistol. Sad
I saw a pic of an arm and 1377 in hand over and over and over .... again
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What is really needed is another venue coming from another direction, but that requires considerable capital and expertise.
You can sign up for a Wordpress web site for zero cost. You will have to learn how to operate a Wordpress web site but that is doable by mere mortals.
The issue is monetization, not hosting. You've always been able to host your own content for nothing via multiple "start your own website/blog sites". YouTube became the "catchall" place for content due to Google's search algorithm taking you there (the very reason the FTC and SEC NEVER should have approved to acquisition of YouTube by Google) when using their search engine.
Once people became "partners" with YT, and the dollars started coming in, you had the opportunity to create content for a living. That's fantastic, only now creators are realizing that they are only welcome if their content fits YT/Googles liberal, anti-freedoms, anti-American agenda.
Content creators quit their day jobs. Money started rolling in, and what a great opportunity it was. That is now under fire and will shortly be removed.
Bottom line; shooters and similar communities need to face the realization that they will have to go back to hosting content privately, and their revenue sources will have to come from somewhere other than YT. If you are Airguns of Arizona or Pyramyd Air, no big deal. The content supports the sales of their products and the revenue comes in regardless.
For air gun gear reviewers, the party is over. I know Steve at AEAC has some sponsors, but not sure if that is enough to support him and his family. I guess not based upon his emotional plea to the overlords at YT.
We, as content consumers, have been spoiled. All this fantastic information for free. Maybe it is time to go to a subscription based content host, where you pay x $/year, and you get all the content that you are interested in. If that happens, I would think that retailers and other product manufacturers will show up on those sites with sponsorships, kind of like the model here on GTA and AGN.
It'll be interesting to see how things shake out, but I think it will be okay. I'm more than willing to fork out some money to consume content that I support instead of going to YT for free where I am told my voice doesn't count, and I can't be who I want to be.
No thanks.
Makes total sense.
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Ted's back up, though some commenters were saying already some of the videos have disappeared that he put back up.
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If these are malicious and organized takedowns by social justice warriors and not Google's own agenda, then it might be considered tortious interference. These individuals or groups are after all destroying the livelihoods of the content creators by interfering in the business relationship between Google and the creators. I'm not a lawyer, but perhaps the content creators have good cause to impel google to identify the users that are flagging the videos in order to bring legal action against them. People who are the victims of defamation can ask to have anonymous internet users identified to file a lawsuit and perhaps a similar argument can be used in this situation.
This form of action may not only scare the social justice warriors, but it can force Google to fix their system, after all they don't want to be in the middle of such lawsuits. Lastly, this may bring about other scary scenarios into focus for Google, such as class action lawsuits. If the content providers can prove that at the time of termination they were not in breach of their contracts, they may have grounds for legal action. Despite vague contracts that are usually written to protect the service providers each state has its own laws that can provide additional protections despite what Google may have laid out in their agreements with user and creators.
I want to stress that I am not a lawyer, but these are ideas I would explore if my livelihood was impacted and I would go to great lengths to organize with other content providers to spread the costs of the legal action and to put more weight behind the issue.
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If these are malicious and organized takedowns by social justice warriors and not Google's own agenda, then it might be considered tortious interference. These individuals or groups are after all destroying the livelihoods of the content creators by interfering in the business relationship between Google and the creators. I'm not a lawyer, but perhaps the content creators have good cause to impel google to identify the users that are flagging the videos in order to bring legal action against them. People who are the victims of defamation can ask to have anonymous internet users identified to file a lawsuit and perhaps a similar argument can be used in this situation.
This form of action may not only scare the social justice warriors, but it can force Google to fix their system, after all they don't want to be in the middle of such lawsuits. Lastly, this may bring about other scary scenarios into focus for Google, such as class action lawsuits. If the content providers can prove that at the time of termination they were not in breach of their contracts, they may have grounds for legal action. Despite vague contracts that are usually written to protect the service providers each state has its own laws that can provide additional protections despite what Google may have laid out in their agreements with user and creators.
I want to stress that I am not a lawyer, but these are ideas I would explore if my livelihood was impacted and I would go to great lengths to organize with other content providers to spread the costs of the legal action and to put more weight behind the issue.
The San Bernardino terrorist had iPhones and obviously the FBI and Homeland Security wanted to know the content of this device to prevent further attacks and find co-conspirators.
Liberal, American hating, Silicon Valley Apple refused to cooperate. The DOJ was preparing a suit, and that is when the FBI hired some top hackers to break into the iPhones of these terrorist to complete their investigations and do their jobs.
Do you think for one minute that Google/YouTube is going to cough up the name of some social justice warrior, living in their parents basement because they cannot get a job, to some local lawyer so that content creators can sue for damages???
Never happen. Not in a million years. I applaud your theory and the idea behind this, but Silicon Valley and our tech overlords are more powerful than the federal government. They know more about you and I than the feds ever will.
All that, and lets be honest, Google/YouTube is happy to eliminate people who do not accept their ideology. They will be happy to remove First Amendment, Second Amendment, and Third Amendment supporters, and go with, "Gee, must be a glitch in our algorithm on how we find inappropriate content. So sorry.."
I love you...
Check's in the mail...
...well, you know the rest.
Get off YouTube. Go direct to content creators websites. Financially support them.
F YT.
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And that my friends is how "one bad apple spoils the whole bunch" term came to be.
I've been thinking it was probably gonna end up being some "nut job" who shot somebody with a big bore that would get this
mess started. Guess I was wrong.:(
Ray
Always believed exactly the same Ray.
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If these are malicious and organized takedowns by social justice warriors and not Google's own agenda, then it might be considered tortious interference. These individuals or groups are after all destroying the livelihoods of the content creators by interfering in the business relationship between Google and the creators. I'm not a lawyer, but perhaps the content creators have good cause to impel google to identify the users that are flagging the videos in order to bring legal action against them. People who are the victims of defamation can ask to have anonymous internet users identified to file a lawsuit and perhaps a similar argument can be used in this situation.
This form of action may not only scare the social justice warriors, but it can force Google to fix their system, after all they don't want to be in the middle of such lawsuits. Lastly, this may bring about other scary scenarios into focus for Google, such as class action lawsuits. If the content providers can prove that at the time of termination they were not in breach of their contracts, they may have grounds for legal action. Despite vague contracts that are usually written to protect the service providers each state has its own laws that can provide additional protections despite what Google may have laid out in their agreements with user and creators.
I want to stress that I am not a lawyer, but these are ideas I would explore if my livelihood was impacted and I would go to great lengths to organize with other content providers to spread the costs of the legal action and to put more weight behind the issue.
It would take serious bucks to go after them, but it is very close to harasing a hunter, I know that is a crime.
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... living in their parents basement because they cannot get a job
The last time I heard a phrase like this, the mischief was caused by paid Russian hackers working out of a building in St Petersburg.
Remember, the ads placed on Facebook by Russians covered both sides of various issues with the intent to inflame and divide us. Putin's Russia is no friend of the U.S. We should all be careful not to play into their hands.
Just sayin'
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Guys lets focus on the YouTube channels that were shut down and are being restored rather that speculation. As facts as to the source of the problem please present them as verified facts not speculation and above please keep politics out of the thread when posting new information.
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Guys lets focus on the YouTube channels that were shut down and are being restored rather that speculation. As facts as to the source of the problem please present them as verified facts not speculation and above please keep politics out of the thread when posting new information.
Theres only one problem in that statement. Yes some channels have been restored but more are being terminated at the same time. Racknload was up and running this whole time until the last few hours. racknload was terminated after the big channels had been restored. This isnt over yet.
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Guys lets focus on the YouTube channels that were shut down and are being restored rather that speculation. As facts as to the source of the problem please present them as verified facts not speculation and above please keep politics out of the thread when posting new information.
Theres only one problem in that statement. Yes some channels have been restored but more are being terminated at the same time. Racknload was up and running this whole time until the last few hours. racknload was terminated after the big channels had been restored. This isnt over yet.
Exactly. What I'm concerned is going to happen is a few of the big names will be restored because they have the clout and money of the airgun industry behind them. But us little guys might remain shut out, and the big guys may not shed a tear because that keeps the pie from being cut up into smaller slices. Every couple of hours I get another notification from Youtube that they've age restricted another video, and there's still be no word on my appeal concerning my strike or the video that was removed.
I hope it doesn't work out that way. But it will be highly problematic if it does.
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Yep, this is definitely not over yet.
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Keep politics out of this--- I don't think you can. It is politics.
It hasn't had any effect down here. I can still get videos of Rick Eusla and others so the shut downs must be selective.
The ones mentioned as being shut down I have not heard of but that just means I had not found them.
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Ask yourself why Youtube would shut down Airgun channels and leave Demolition Ranch and Hicok45 along with thousands of other firearms channels up. Why would they restore videos and channels. It not a Youtube conspiracy. Someone is flagging these channels and manipulating Youtube's reporting system. Look at the channels that were affected. Then looks at the hundreds that aren't well known in our community that haven't been touched. I see nothing political about this. I think this is an attack from within.
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Yep, this is definitely not over yet.
Not until they stop whoever is flagging the videos or fix the reporting system.
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Yep, this is definitely not over yet.
Not until they stop whoever is flagging the videos or fix the reporting system.
Exactly
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If these are malicious and organized takedowns by social justice warriors and not Google's own agenda, then it might be considered tortious interference. These individuals or groups are after all destroying the livelihoods of the content creators by interfering in the business relationship between Google and the creators. I'm not a lawyer, but perhaps the content creators have good cause to impel google to identify the users that are flagging the videos in order to bring legal action against them. People who are the victims of defamation can ask to have anonymous internet users identified to file a lawsuit and perhaps a similar argument can be used in this situation.
This form of action may not only scare the social justice warriors, but it can force Google to fix their system, after all they don't want to be in the middle of such lawsuits. Lastly, this may bring about other scary scenarios into focus for Google, such as class action lawsuits. If the content providers can prove that at the time of termination they were not in breach of their contracts, they may have grounds for legal action. Despite vague contracts that are usually written to protect the service providers each state has its own laws that can provide additional protections despite what Google may have laid out in their agreements with user and creators.
I want to stress that I am not a lawyer, but these are ideas I would explore if my livelihood was impacted and I would go to great lengths to organize with other content providers to spread the costs of the legal action and to put more weight behind the issue.
The San Bernardino terrorist had iPhones and obviously the FBI and Homeland Security wanted to know the content of this device to prevent further attacks and find co-conspirators.
Liberal, American hating, Silicon Valley Apple refused to cooperate. The DOJ was preparing a suit, and that is when the FBI hired some top hackers to break into the iPhones of these terrorist to complete their investigations and do their jobs.
Do you think for one minute that Google/YouTube is going to cough up the name of some social justice warrior, living in their parents basement because they cannot get a job, to some local lawyer so that content creators can sue for damages???
Never happen. Not in a million years. I applaud your theory and the idea behind this, but Silicon Valley and our tech overlords are more powerful than the federal government. They know more about you and I than the feds ever will.
All that, and lets be honest, Google/YouTube is happy to eliminate people who do not accept their ideology. They will be happy to remove First Amendment, Second Amendment, and Third Amendment supporters, and go with, "Gee, must be a glitch in our algorithm on how we find inappropriate content. So sorry.."
I love you...
Check's in the mail...
...well, you know the rest.
Get off YouTube. Go direct to content creators websites. Financially support them.
F YT.
I agree with you, we should support content creators directly, but if we think there is no hope addressing this with Google then we are being defeatist and rebuilding from scratch right now is a non-starter for many of the creators. Their best option is to see if they can use legal avenues to protect their livelihoods, the fact that Google was restoring some channels means that they are interested in the $$$ that those channels bring in, otherwise they would not get restored. I don't think we can draw clear parallels to the terrorist attack as easily as you imply. Google, may say they won't reveal who flagged the videos, but the threat of legal action may cause them to change how they handle channel terminations.
I am very worried about how our community is being impacted, but cooler heads must prevail in solving this problem lest we cause more harm without thinking things through.
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The above responses to my last post proves that there can be posting about the attacks on our hobby and the contributors that post their videos on YouTube with focus on the problem and no political statements. We as a large community need to unite across the entire spectrum of air gun posters and bloggers and need to work on the solution as an organized entity. I know for a fact that there is more than sufficient talent and tech savvy to ferret out the true culprits and shine a bright light on who they are and exactly what they are doing.
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Unfortunately the way things work, The media, and as a result, the country as a whole needs something to blame... because, also unfortunately, admitting the truth that parenting, education and instilling manners and morality in the younger generations has been going downhill for quite some time... is just too real and harsh of a reality. We all need something/someone to demonize when the truth is too painful and complicated to come to terms with.
I love this sport/hobby and will remain hopeful regardless... but I’m still admittedly scared.
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This is going to take awhile to sort out, looks like Teds Holdover was targeted as his video are now gone after he put them back in the public domain. Edit, actually not sure what is going on with Teds site as he says he privatized them again, yet I'm seeing the no video available icon. Too confusing for me.
Regarding comments about the big fish not caring about the little guy. What are the big players going to be able to really do when they are also subjected to the same arbitrary restrictions? Sites are being taken down, reinstated and then targeted again. I do believe that supporting the bigger name content providers is the only way to help those with a smaller audience. If nothing else the bigger players are looking at options for posting content and that will benefit all content producers.
Of course this is strictly IMHO.
Hopefully it will all work out in a favorable way for the airgun community.
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Take ACTION
We will not sit idly by while monopoly corporations like Google and CNN strangle free speech.
Call YouTube and demand that they support free speech by removing the strikes from the all Conservative Christian, Pro American, Pro 1st and 2nd Amendment, Airgun and Hunting Channel: +1 650-253-0000
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Regarding comments about the big fish not caring about the little guy. What are the big players going to be able to really do when they are also subjected to the same arbitrary restrictions? Sites are being taken down, reinstated and then targeted again. I do believe that supporting the bigger name content providers is the only way to help those with a smaller audience. If nothing else the bigger players are looking at options for posting content and that will benefit all content producers.
My concern was more directed at some of the posts from the bigger channels that were happening yesterday that seemed to start taking the tone that all was well now and Youtube is swell for fixing the problem. Of course, we now know that was jumping the gun a bit.
I just want to make sure that everyone gets treated fairly and equally. Youtube removed my strike today and reinstated a banned video. That's great for me. But a lot of guys in my class of channel size still haven't got their channels back. Not to mention I now have to start fighting age restrictions and its likely several others will as well. Age restrictions might was well be a channel ban when they are applied to most or all of a person's viral videos.
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The above responses to my last post proves that there can be posting about the attacks on our hobby and the contributors that post their videos on YouTube with focus on the problem and no political statements. We as a large community need to unite across the entire spectrum of air gun posters and bloggers and need to work on the solution as an organized entity. I know for a fact that there is more than sufficient talent and tech savvy to ferret out the true culprits and shine a bright light on who they are and exactly what they are doing.
Agreed,
I went on youtube today and was able to watch American Airgunner videos and Daystate videos.
Maybe this was just a glitch that was exploited and things will go back to normal for all affected channels.
I can't see you tube shutting those sites down without warning.
I think they will go back up. Something that affects so many peoples income is not usually done like this. Could be people abusing the system manipulating the algorithms to get channels closed.
If its an exploit YouTube needs to address this is software so its not so easy to manipulate. It did cause panic as you can see from Teds video and another one where he chose to show himself crying on youtube of the shut down.
Pulling the income from so many without reason and warning will usually involve legal action. So I think it will be resolved before it comes down to that.
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Is there not a space shuttle scheduled to depart in 2020 to take those people off the planet and drop them off on Mars ?
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Unfortunately the way things work, The media, and as a result, the country as a whole needs something to blame... because, also unfortunately, admitting the truth that parenting, education and instilling manners and morality in the younger generations has been going downhill for quite some time... is just too real and harsh of a reality. We all need something/someone to demonize when the truth is too painful and complicated to come to terms with.
I love this sport/hobby and will remain hopeful regardless... but I’m still admittedly scared.
Totally agree. To much giving them everything for nothing. No respect or responsibility. They think they are owed whatever they want and don't have to do anything to get it.
Such a sad society that we live in today.
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Great Britain tried that a couple hundred years ago and it backfired miserably. It would be better to just require people to acquire a parenting license so that those who wanted to have children were actually capable of handling early development educating of their offspring rather than rely the mirad of electronic nannies. If people were actually required to parent rather than just breed many of the current crop of "bad kids" would actually be productive members of society rather than the many ticking timebombs that go undetected until it is too late to fix them. Much of the bullying and violence would be avoided if the concept of right and wrong were being taught at an early age rather than the current sense of entitlement
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Very Much Agreed !
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Unfortunately the way things work, The media, and as a result, the country as a whole needs something to blame... because, also unfortunately, admitting the truth that parenting, education and instilling manners and morality in the younger generations has been going downhill for quite some time... is just too real and harsh of a reality. We all need something/someone to demonize when the truth is too painful and complicated to come to terms with.
I love this sport/hobby and will remain hopeful regardless... but I’m still admittedly scared.
Totally agree. To much giving them everything for nothing. No respect or responsibility. They think they are owed whatever they want and don't have to do anything to get it.
Such a sad society that we live in today.
Really society here has been on a rapid decline since a certain book that teaches morals and was used in schools was kicked out of the schools. Coincidence? I think not!
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I got on my Youtube and sent a feedback comment to the yesterday, but I haven't heard anything back from them. But I am not sure if I even will, since it's just feedback! Bill C!
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This was either a glitch or an organized attack by gun-control advocates that reported many airgun sites. It's strange because I was able to watch powder burner reviews and comparison videos. So it had to be a coordinated attack on airgun channels which Youtube will and probably has figured out.
Harry
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There were a number of powderburner channels that got hit, but it did seem like a targeted attack. Initially I honestly thought it might be someone from within the community of airgun content creators holding a grudge.
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Great Britain tried that a couple hundred years ago and it backfired miserably. It would be better to just require people to acquire a parenting license so that those who wanted to have children were actually capable of handling early development educating of their offspring rather than rely the mirad of electronic nannies. If people were actually required to parent rather than just breed many of the current crop of "bad kids" would actually be productive members of society rather than the many ticking timebombs that go undetected until it is too late to fix them. Much of the bullying and violence would be avoided if the concept of right and wrong were being taught at an early age rather than the current sense of entitlement
Couldn't agree more.
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Great Britain tried that a couple hundred years ago and it backfired miserably. It would be better to just require people to acquire a parenting license so that those who wanted to have children were actually capable of handling early development educating of their offspring rather than rely the mirad of electronic nannies. If people were actually required to parent rather than just breed many of the current crop of "bad kids" would actually be productive members of society rather than the many ticking timebombs that go undetected until it is too late to fix them. Much of the bullying and violence would be avoided if the concept of right and wrong were being taught at an early age rather than the current sense of entitlement
The government deciding who can breed and who can not breed has been tried before. It has never gone well, in the USA mothers were sterilized against their will, Germany had the unfortunate time we all know about, and just recently Israel was giving Jewish African immigrants birth control without their knowledge.
For a man who wants us to avoid politics, you have just suggested the most repulsive political rhetoric of the last 200 years. To value youtube videos so much that you want to turn control over your very body to the government is unbelievable.
I hope that you were simply frustrated and had not actually considered what you were saying.
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Great Britain tried that a couple hundred years ago and it backfired miserably. It would be better to just require people to acquire a parenting license so that those who wanted to have children were actually capable of handling early development educating of their offspring rather than rely the mirad of electronic nannies. If people were actually required to parent rather than just breed many of the current crop of "bad kids" would actually be productive members of society rather than the many ticking timebombs that go undetected until it is too late to fix them. Much of the bullying and violence would be avoided if the concept of right and wrong were being taught at an early age rather than the current sense of entitlement
The government deciding who can breed and who can not breed has been tried before. It has never gone well, in the USA mothers were sterilized against their will, Germany had the unfortunate time we all know about, and just recently Israel was giving Jewish African immigrants birth control without their knowledge.
For a man who wants us to avoid politics, you have just suggested the most repulsive political rhetoric of the last 200 years. To value youtube videos so much that you want to turn control over your very body to the government is unbelievable.
I hope that you were simply frustrated and had not actually considered what you were saying.
lol yep.
Also if you think bullying and violence has just started in the last 15 to 20 years you must have either been a bully in school or had your head in the sand.
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Yes, I just visited the Talon Tunes sight, the video for the Condor hammer is "unavailable" on YouTube.
I guess this is how the Gypsies, Homeless people and Jews felt when Hitler was taking over.
Those who fail to learn history ...
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Yes, I just visited the Talon Tunes sight, the video for the Condor hammer is "unavailable" on YouTube.
I guess this is how the Gypsies, Homeless people and Jews felt when Hitler was taking over.
Those who fail to learn history ...
A private company refusing to host your videos is the same as the murder of millions?
Really?
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YouTube is privately owned but used totally by the public masses. I think the above statements are relevant. Why sensor or worry about airgun vids? Are there Not easy more heinous videos out there? I am sure there are. Videos are art and free speech. They are also ideas. If we are not allowed that freedom I think we all loose.
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So go start your own video hosting site.
That you want to government to control what this private company does is lunacy. So many people want to trade their own freedom for entertainment.
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Check the history of the world, you will find that controlling the press is the beginning.
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Ask yourself why Youtube would shut down Airgun channels and leave Demolition Ranch and Hicok45 along with thousands of other firearms channels up. Why would they restore videos and channels. It not a Youtube conspiracy. Someone is flagging these channels and manipulating Youtube's reporting system. Look at the channels that were affected. Then looks at the hundreds that aren't well known in our community that haven't been touched. I see nothing political about this. I think this is an attack from within.
Yeah. I even had a thought it could be an ad company flagging the vids. For example if an AG blogger pays an unscrupulous guy to increase his google search standings and page hit count. Then the guy hired just starts elimination of competitors web (Google/FB) presence. Job done.....
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1) Many Firearms channels WERE having problems as well
2) The smaller channels are easy pickings as they do not belong to what are called Multi Channel Networks on YouTube
3) It looks like YouTube may have admitted what happened (though this has not helped me at all)
From AirtgunWebTV -
We have happy faces here at AGW. Hopefully it will stay that way. I received an email from youtube today that essentially apologized for terminating our channel and that after review it was NOT in violation of their community guidelines. What may be happening, as we figured, is that our content may be getting flagged by an army of spammers intent on causing us (and our industry) harm. YouTube's system was not equipped to, or did not understand how to, handle this type of targeted attack. Now I'm extrapolating here as they would never speak so plainly as to the actual cause. But, I'm very cautiously optimistic that we may be seeing things stabilize.
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This is a thing that I know happens already, not specifically with youtube though.
People will sell the service of buying your competitors products from amazon just to give it 1 star reviews to drive down their average rating and to get the product pages suspended.
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1) Many Firearms channels WERE having problems as well
2) The smaller channels are easy pickings as they do not belong to what are called Multi Channel Networks on YouTube
3) It looks like YouTube may have admitted what happened (though this has not helped me at all)
From AirtgunWebTV -
We have happy faces here at AGW. Hopefully it will stay that way. I received an email from youtube today that essentially apologized for terminating our channel and that after review it was NOT in violation of their community guidelines. What may be happening, as we figured, is that our content may be getting flagged by an army of spammers intent on causing us (and our industry) harm. YouTube's system was not equipped to, or did not understand how to, handle this type of targeted attack. Now I'm extrapolating here as they would never speak so plainly as to the actual cause. But, I'm very cautiously optimistic that we may be seeing things stabilize.
Tony, please share a copy! This is the only fact based info I have heard of. I think we'd all benefit by seeing it to draw our own conclusion. No insult to your paraphrase intended at all. I just gotta see that.
edit/ Oops,
Sorry Tony. but if anyone cane get AGW's copy. it needs to go out to everyone.
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https://www.facebook.com/AirgunReviews/photos/a.183256678401323.48103.126009544126037/1676973145696328/?type=3&ifg=1 (https://www.facebook.com/AirgunReviews/photos/a.183256678401323.48103.126009544126037/1676973145696328/?type=3&ifg=1)
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https://www.facebook.com/AirgunReviews/photos/a.183256678401323.48103.126009544126037/1676973145696328/?type=3&ifg=1 (https://www.facebook.com/AirgunReviews/photos/a.183256678401323.48103.126009544126037/1676973145696328/?type=3&ifg=1)
THX! So sad to see a post there that Facebook attacks had begun as well and some content was already gone.
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If such a big company like googletubebook has such a weak system that it only takes 3 strikes in a matter of seconds to take a channel and buisness down, i would look elswhere to post videos if my paycheck only come from them... They must fix that a real person check the channel after they got 3 strikes and the real person makes the decision if it will be taken down after they contact the company /person behind the channel and explain why they do it, or give the owner to the channel a chanse to remove the clip/s that got reported, and make sure the googletubebook personel see the difference between the average Joe shooting at cans and targets and the idiots shooting cats and dogs with whatever they got. And companys with 10s-100s of videos that existed for many years, they must have nowlege about them...
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Just up on FOX:
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2018/02/28/youtube-has-tapped-far-left-group-to-help-police-content-report-says.html (http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2018/02/28/youtube-has-tapped-far-left-group-to-help-police-content-report-says.html)
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You know, this WAS my gut feeling from the beginning of all of this. But what surprises me is they were actually hired by Google/youtube. I just figured it was the actions of an organized group bent on an agenda.
It's good to know. And wouldn't you know it, FOX is the one to put the story out? Go figure....
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If this story is true, it’s is a disgusting black eye for Google and YouTube.
Having the SPLC decide what is and what is not acceptable makes as much sense as a rattlesnake with a “Pet me!” sign.
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Just up on FOX:
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2018/02/28/youtube-has-tapped-far-left-group-to-help-police-content-report-says.html (http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2018/02/28/youtube-has-tapped-far-left-group-to-help-police-content-report-says.html)
... Absolute power corrupts again if this is the source.... Could be PETA... could be anyone. I bet we never get a straight answer :-/
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Just up on FOX:
Interesting and a little disgusting.
Does the SPLC have youtube videos that need to be flagged? ;)
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even if the channels come back, things sorta get normal, is this not enough of a wake up call? Will everyone give them a pass? oh well business as usual? I hope industry/content creators are thinking big picture right now. I'm a consumer, my only dog in the fight is I enjoy AG's, plinking, modding, target, hunting and the tech side. Competition is good for all industries including Youtube. We can't just breathe a sigh of relief if the channels come back. We need to start working on a solution, whatever that may be and be willing to support it when it is presented to us. Otherwise the next time we get our heads up out of the sand there might be nothing left to whine about.
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Pretty sad if google has the idea that radical groups like this should be in charge of vetting videos! Hopefully it's an awkward friendship that doesn't end well, lol 😊.
It'd be great if Fox could put out a story on innocent and respectable video creators that have been negatively impacted lately by the system. The whole attack on the airgun industry should be newsworthy you'd think.
Good points Paul, I see we were writing at the same time 🙂
Definitely doesn't look good for the airgun industry on YouTube as is.
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EXCLUSIVE: YouTube Secretly Using SPLC To Police Videos - Pass It On
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/27/google-youtube-southern-poverty-law-center-censorship/?utm_source=site-share (http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/27/google-youtube-southern-poverty-law-center-censorship/?utm_source=site-share)
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EXCLUSIVE: YouTube Secretly Using SPLC To Police Videos - Pass It On
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/27/google-youtube-southern-poverty-law-center-censorship/?utm_source=site-share (http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/27/google-youtube-southern-poverty-law-center-censorship/?utm_source=site-share)
Link doesn't work
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Works for me. Maybe it is blocked where your at!
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Works for me. Maybe it is blocked where your at!
Yep, you're right. Must be a left wing wifi filter where I'm at, lol! Switched to cellular data and it loads fine. Apologies! ☺️
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EXCLUSIVE: YouTube Secretly Using SPLC To Police Videos - Pass It On
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/27/google-youtube-southern-poverty-law-center-censorship/?utm_source=site-share (http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/27/google-youtube-southern-poverty-law-center-censorship/?utm_source=site-share)
If the Southern Poverty Law Center is involved, no telling what they'll find objectionable or racist. They're far left wing loons.
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Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Let's hire a far-left (extremist) private group to moderate Youtube. So the first thing they did was go after PB and airgun videos. Nice job Youtube.
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EXCLUSIVE: YouTube Secretly Using SPLC To Police Videos - Pass It On
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/27/google-youtube-southern-poverty-law-center-censorship/?utm_source=site-share (http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/27/google-youtube-southern-poverty-law-center-censorship/?utm_source=site-share)
They're far left wing loons.
Don't even get me started down that road...I'm busting at the seams!
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Yes, it's obvious and we know it. But KEEP the political statements out of this and any other posts on GTA Forums. PLEASE
We have lost at least one member because of these statements already. We're all here as airgunners. Let's remain united by THAT!!!!
Thanks all...
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Want to see a great example of a corporate culture that sticks its head in the sand? Have a look at the comments section of this announcement on Youtube’s official blog from a year ago that they would be expanding their Trusted Flaggers program
https://youtube.googleblog.com/2016/09/growing-our-trusted-flagger-program.html?m=1
Frankly I was having a hard time finding a positive comment in support of it. Apparently at some point they disabled comments because at the end someone said if they have any integrity, they’ll open it back up.
And this resource on their site claims that videos will not be taken down without review by YouTube personnel. If I remember correctly, that is counter to what Steve (AEAC) was told. Either way, it represents an embarrassing and damaging blow to their product.
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7124236?hl=en
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You know, this WAS my gut feeling from the beginning of all of this. But what surprises me is they were actually hired by Google/youtube. I just figured it was the actions of an organized group bent on an agenda.
It's good to know. And wouldn't you know it, FOX is the one to put the story out? Go figure....
I would take this story with a grain of salt. I do not see this news on any main stream news that has bonafide credentials.
So the source of the story is:
Conservative News (And in the case of Fox - Entertainment)
1. Fox News
2. DailyCaller
Neither Fox or the DailyCaller have a very good reputation for speaking truth.
Southern Poverty Law Center - is a non-profit organization dedicated to fighting poverty, civil rights, racial discrimination and groups such as the Ku Klux Klan and the Aryan Nations.
I would hate it if the GTA were to become or to appear being supporters of any radical groups such as the KKK or Aryan Nations. Has anyone tried contacting the SPLC or Youtube / Google and questioned them on this?
As far as I can tell neither Facebook or Google / Youtube are so called liberal organizations. Rather they are business entities which exist to make a profit. I don't think Profit is a Liberal or Conservative only concept.
Until I see evidence from legitimate news sources or from Youtube/Google I call this unsubstantiated rumor at best.
Steveoh
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My apologies if my comments were getting political. Having a forum that is focused on our love for the sport of air gunning and not hating on other groups is what makes this such a wonderful site. Thanks to the moderators, and again my apologies. 🙂
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The SPLC used to represent a good motive force. These days, not so much. Even left-leaning organizations have been forced to admit it in recent years, lest they relinquish their own credibility.
I agree that it’s unsubstantiated though, and I sincerely want for it to be incorrect.
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My apologies if my comments were getting political. Having a forum that is focused on our love for the sport of air gunning and not hating on other groups is what makes this such a wonderful site. Thanks to the moderators, and again my apologies. 🙂
+1
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Great Britain tried that a couple hundred years ago and it backfired miserably. It would be better to just require people to acquire a parenting license so that those who wanted to have children were actually capable of handling early development educating of their offspring rather than rely the mirad of electronic nannies. If people were actually required to parent rather than just breed many of the current crop of "bad kids" would actually be productive members of society rather than the many ticking timebombs that go undetected until it is too late to fix them. Much of the bullying and violence would be avoided if the concept of right and wrong were being taught at an early age rather than the current sense of entitlement
The government deciding who can breed and who can not breed has been tried before. It has never gone well, in the USA mothers were sterilized against their will, Germany had the unfortunate time we all know about, and just recently Israel was giving Jewish African immigrants birth control without their knowledge.
For a man who wants us to avoid politics, you have just suggested the most repulsive political rhetoric of the last 200 years. To value youtube videos so much that you want to turn control over your very body to the government is unbelievable.
I hope that you were simply frustrated and had not actually considered what you were saying.
Mostly frustrated but a core of truth I think that requiring people to that want to have children should be required to take parenting classes . The breeding part I know there is no controlling and I feel that as long as you can house ,feed and clothe adequately have at it . Just being aware of the need to properly teach the basic premise of right and wrong and treating others as you would like to be treated is still needed.
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You know, this WAS my gut feeling from the beginning of all of this. But what surprises me is they were actually hired by Google/youtube. I just figured it was the actions of an organized group bent on an agenda.
It's good to know. And wouldn't you know it, FOX is the one to put the story out? Go figure....
I would take this story with a grain of salt. I do not see this news on any main stream news that has bonafide credentials.
So the source of the story is:
Conservative News (And in the case of Fox - Entertainment)
1. Fox News
2. DailyCaller
Neither Fox or the DailyCaller have a very good reputation for speaking truth.
Southern Poverty Law Center - is a non-profit organization dedicated to fighting poverty, civil rights, racial discrimination and groups such as the Ku Klux Klan and the Aryan Nations.
I would hate it if the GTA were to become or to appear being supporters of any radical groups such as the KKK or Aryan Nations. Has anyone tried contacting the SPLC or Youtube / Google and questioned them on this?
As far as I can tell neither Facebook or Google / Youtube are so called liberal organizations. Rather they are business entities which exist to make a profit. I don't think Profit is a Liberal or Conservative only concept.
Until I see evidence from legitimate news sources or from Youtube/Google I call this unsubstantiated rumor at best.
Steveoh
Again, IF they are involved watch out! Back in the '80s they were legit. If they get wind of any derogatory comment made against them, then they like to label the source/organization as a hate group.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-28/youtube-s-new-moderators-mistakenly-pull-right-wing-channels (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-28/youtube-s-new-moderators-mistakenly-pull-right-wing-channels)
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So here is a question. Why oh why would Youtube or anyone else for that matter have a setting or an algorithm all queued up and ready to go in the event that they needed to remove channels for some reason. Hmmmm.... Seems to me that this is part of a bigger plan to silence the quiet majority. Seems a bit predetermined to me.
Is it possible that this could be part of a much larger scheme? I wouldn't put it past any corrupt Government to sacrifice a few human lives to ultimately have the people themselves demand a change which feeds right into their larger goal.
I have never been a "consistory theory" sort of fella, frankly I think many that subscribe to that line of thinking are crazy. But......... here lately I do get the sense that a lot of scheming is going on.
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It seems that much of this could be dealt with by just a few strategic mega-purchases by those with the means. The rich long ago bought up the media markets and control the content. If you are losing the war for the hearts and minds of the low-information or low-motivation voters, maybe it is because you do not have access to them? Next, the textbook publishing houses.
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Okay, I politely asked that you keep the political party statements out. Evidently some did not read. Some just want to blast out an opinion...political opinion.
I have edited some posts and locked this one down from further discussion of which side is which.
I hope you heed this one last warning.
KEEP the political rhetoric off of this forum!!!!