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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: kzz1kaw on December 26, 2017, 10:03:41 AM
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Placed an ad in the classified for a bsa single shot tray. Checked on fleabay nothing anyone know where or who makes them for the bsa ultra in 22 and scorpion in 177
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I'd like to get one for the Coyote and the Urban but don't want to pay $50 each.
So ... I've been thinkin' (can be dangerous). I believe it might be possible to make one from a simple block of hardwood. The mag well is a relatively simple, mostly rectangular shape. On the Urban/Coyote the mag is held in by a magnet, making it even simpler to construct. I'm still thinking about it. 🙂
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Maybe even better made from a hunk of delrin.
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I had my brother "print" me two of these:
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2182179 (https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2182179)
Currently a work in progress but functional. They insert a bit too far to the right and are plastic so do not lock in place. The pellets will fall through. My plan is to thread the lower, right, rear for a machine screw, leaving it proud of the right side and file to proper fitment which will then be captured to the proper location by the magnet. As to the the pellet, I am thinking of grooving the perimeter for an o-ring which will barely hold the pellet in place. I am advised it costs 6 to 8 cents to make.
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Back in June the cheapest I could find them for sale was from Knibbs Airgun Spares:
http://www.airgunspares.com/store/product/6571/BSA-Single-Shot-Tray-.177/ (http://www.airgunspares.com/store/product/6571/BSA-Single-Shot-Tray-.177/)
With shipping it was £ 31.66 so about $42.31. They are out of stock at the moment. So is Pyramyd Air oddly.
Taso
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I know back in the day some had hand carved trays out of rubber eraser material. The BSA entry port is a bit "up there" vertically so was thinking to give a go at a hand carved one sometime.
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I had my brother "print" me two of these:
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2182179 (https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2182179)
Currently a work in progress but functional. They insert a bit too far to the right and are plastic so do not lock in place. The pellets will fall through. My plan is to thread the lower, right, rear for a machine screw, leaving it proud of the right side and file to proper fitment which will then be captured to the proper location by the magnet. As to the the pellet, I am thinking of grooving the perimeter for an o-ring which will barely hold the pellet in place. I am advised it costs 6 to 8 cents to make.
So it’s a stock mag but with one hole that you pull out every time you want to shoot a pellet? Are you selling these and how much
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Back in June the cheapest I could find them for sale was from Knibbs Airgun Spares:
http://www.airgunspares.com/store/product/6571/BSA-Single-Shot-Tray-.177/ (http://www.airgunspares.com/store/product/6571/BSA-Single-Shot-Tray-.177/)
With shipping it was £ 31.66 so about $42.31. They are out of stock at the moment. So is Pyramyd Air oddly.
Taso
Didn’t think about it an went on fleabay uk found them there $49 shipped per caliber
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I had my brother "print" me two of these:
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2182179 (https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2182179)
Currently a work in progress but functional. They insert a bit too far to the right and are plastic so do not lock in place. The pellets will fall through. My plan is to thread the lower, right, rear for a machine screw, leaving it proud of the right side and file to proper fitment which will then be captured to the proper location by the magnet. As to the the pellet, I am thinking of grooving the perimeter for an o-ring which will barely hold the pellet in place. I am advised it costs 6 to 8 cents to make.
So it’s a stock mag but with one hole that you pull out every time you want to shoot a pellet? Are you selling these and how much
Yes, it is pulled out for each shot being a single shot device. Most likely not going to be a "commercial" endeavor. Look in the webpage for the ".stl" file under "Things Files". It is a free download. Anyone with a 3-D printer can make it (I do not have a 3D printer).
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What about waxing up the receiver, And molding one up with a wad of JB weld putty?? Just a thought
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What about waxing up the receiver, And molding one up with a wad of JB weld putty?? Just a thought
Think I’m going to try an make one out of delrin or some type of plastic when I get back
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These ones were used for hft http://bsaog.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=10575.0 (http://bsaog.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=10575.0)
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i used the 3d printer file posted above. But also extended the pellet hole at a slight angle to the right so you can slide the pellet without removing the single shot tray. Works but the pellet tumbles out of position occasionally. Working on a slight modification.Will post picture once it works.
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These ones were used for hft http://bsaog.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=10575.0 (http://bsaog.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=10575.0)
Thanks for the link I emailed him to see if he had them in stock
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i used the 3d printer file posted above. But also extended the pellet hole at a slight angle to the right so you can slide the pellet without removing the single shot tray. Works but the pellet tumbles out of position occasionally. Working on a slight modification.Will post picture once it works.
I might possibly be interested in one if you are selling them?
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i used the 3d printer file posted above. But also extended the pellet hole at a slight angle to the right so you can slide the pellet without removing the single shot tray. Works but the pellet tumbles out of position occasionally. Working on a slight modification.Will post picture once it works.
Good idea - looking forward to pics. I have been thinking of grinding out the whole side so it is more like a tray.
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i used the 3d printer file posted above. But also extended the pellet hole at a slight angle to the right so you can slide the pellet without removing the single shot tray. Works but the pellet tumbles out of position occasionally. Working on a slight modification.Will post picture once it works.
Good idea - looking forward to pics. I have been thinking of grinding out the whole side so it is more like a tray.
That would be my thought.... be nice if someone could make these available at a reasonable cost. However, one of the features that brought me to the Urban was the repeater mag.
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Yes, the repeater function. And it is a very nice magazine - but $50!?! I thought a single-shot tray would be nice to have, but the BSA loader is the same price, mostly because of its complexity. So I found the 3-D printed loader while searching for a lower-priced magazine.
Regarding 3-D printing - some public libraries have "maker" spaces that may have 3-D printers and volunteers that could print the loader from the .stl file.
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Agreed..
I have a single shot tray for all my other repeaters but rarely use them unless I'm pellet testing. A 3D printed mag would be nice if it didn't cost $50. I'm thinking that sooner or later someone will make an aftermarket mag for the Urban.... fingers crossed.
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Here's a pict of the modified single shot tray ver 2. Printing it maybe this week and will test.
I've been having a blast designing and printing air rifle parts. Beats the boredom at work. If you have spare $$, a good tool to our darkside tool arsenal is a 3d printer.
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Looks good, Jay!!! 8)
I have noticed a very minor rotational movement of the one printed for me when closing the bolt. I think it may be associated with the cutout on the lower right that the Urban magazine does not have (or lack of metal to interact with the magnet). The cutout allows only minimal contact with the triangular plastic piece in the receiver. I am going to manually fill that and contour to match the stock magazine. That will also give more support for a metal insert.
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Here's a pict of the modified single shot tray ver 2. Printing it maybe this week and will test.
I've been having a blast designing and printing air rifle parts. Beats the boredom at work. If you have spare $$, a good tool to our darkside tool arsenal is a 3d printer.
Looking good are you going to be selling these if so put me down for one
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I finally got around to hacking on the the 3D printed loader from www.thingiverse.com (http://www.thingiverse.com) to make it into a tray. Not a great work of art and if I can get another will change it a bit.
1. First filled the notch at the lower right of the loader with JB Weld thinking it may be needed to contour it like the BSA magazine but that is not necessary and makes no different.
2. Drilled about 3/4 of the way through the loader and epoxied a 1/4" piece of drill rod to catch on the magnet in the receiver.
3. Cut out the upper right side to allow pellet insertion while in the receiver. BTW, the 3D printed loader is not completely solid - it has a lattice-like structure and the cutout had to be filled with JB Weld.
Leaned the following:
The loading port must be lowered on the right to make it horizontal (like Jay's rendition above). The BSA/Gamo solid top receiver has the barrel mounted quite high and there is not very much room for dropping in the pellet with the port as currently modified.
The drill rod is not close enough to the magnet. The loader/tray will be pulled in the last 1/8" but does not hold as firmly as I would like. The drill rod should be at least half way into the small notch at the lower right of the loader.
The hacking is complete. :D
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Does the tray have to come out to load a pellet?
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No, that was the purpose of all the hacking out of material, and the steel insert to hold it in the receiver. Not perfect, but a start. It will be better with the right side lowered - cannot say as yet if it can be as good as an open top receiver like a Marauder or similar design.
Edit: I should say my only intent with this was mostly an emergency device in case of a magazine failure.
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CraigH, is that a magnet on your last pict ? Brilliant ! Might incorporate it in version 3.
Just printed version 2. Ain't perfect but better than version 1. The pellet slot has to be smaller in height by about 3 mm to prevent the pellet from tumbling the wrong way. Hope it works. So off to version 3. Work is getting the way.
Will post picture again after the next try.
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first pict did not post
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I just found them on Straight Shooters for $34.99:
http://www.straightshooters.com/bsa-r10-.177-single-shot-adapter.html (http://www.straightshooters.com/bsa-r10-.177-single-shot-adapter.html)
Taso
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CraigH, is that a magnet on your last pict ? Brilliant ! Might incorporate it in version 3.
Just printed version 2. Ain't perfect but better than version 1. The pellet slot has to be smaller in height by about 3 mm to prevent the pellet from tumbling the wrong way. Hope it works. So off to version 3. Work is getting the way.
Will post picture again after the next try.
Nice work I wish I could make things from scratch. I have an original Prusa 3D printer and just printed a single shot tray for my Armada today. I also see you are just up the mountain from me.
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CraigH, is that a magnet on your last pict ? Brilliant ! Might incorporate it in version 3.
Just printed version 2. Ain't perfect but better than version 1. The pellet slot has to be smaller in height by about 3 mm to prevent the pellet from tumbling the wrong way. Hope it works. So off to version 3. Work is getting the way.
Will post picture again after the next try.
No, the insert is a piece of steel rod 1/4" diameter. The magnet is in the rifle's receiver. The steel insert should be larger and slightly relocated.
I got another loader (not tray) and changed the steel insert to 3/16" and located it to overhang the lower right side notch. Much better retention - snaps in nicely. (picture to follow - needs to be downsized)
Edit: Pictures attached.
Edit: Jay, Your tray is looking excellent. I also have tumbling issue due to the size of the slot.
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CraigH, is that a magnet on your last pict ? Brilliant ! Might incorporate it in version 3.
Just printed version 2. Ain't perfect but better than version 1. The pellet slot has to be smaller in height by about 3 mm to prevent the pellet from tumbling the wrong way. Hope it works. So off to version 3. Work is getting the way.
Will post picture again after the next try.
Are you planning to sell these? If so sign me up for one please😎
No, the insert is a piece of steel rod 1/4" diameter. The magnet is in the rifle's receiver. The steel insert should be larger and slightly relocated.
I got another loader (not tray) and changed the steel insert to 3/16" and located it to overhang the lower right side notch. Much better retention - snaps in nicely. (picture to follow - needs to be downsized)
Edit: Pictures attached.
Edit: Jay, Your tray is looking excellent. I also have tumbling issue due to the size of the slot.
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CraigH, is that a magnet on your last pict ? Brilliant ! Might incorporate it in version 3.
Just printed version 2. Ain't perfect but better than version 1. The pellet slot has to be smaller in height by about 3 mm to prevent the pellet from tumbling the wrong way. Hope it works. So off to version 3. Work is getting the way.
Will post picture again after the next try.
Are you planning to sell these? If so sign me up for one please😎
No, the insert is a piece of steel rod 1/4" diameter. The magnet is in the rifle's receiver. The steel insert should be larger and slightly relocated.
I got another loader (not tray) and changed the steel insert to 3/16" and located it to overhang the lower right side notch. Much better retention - snaps in nicely. (picture to follow - needs to be downsized)
Edit: Pictures attached.
Edit: Jay, Your tray is looking excellent. I also have tumbling issue due to the size of the slot.
Are you planning on selling these? Is so, sign me up for one please 😎
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U fabricators got skilz.....Anybody know if a factory 22 tray will fit a urban...thanks
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Here's a good version of the single shot tray. I used a cut paper clip to guide the pellet in the groove so it does not tumble. Also another paper clip as a guide on one side. Epoxied the cut clip on holes on the printed guide. Will have to test it some more.
The 3d files is at
https://www.tinkercad.com/things/40OHPRP8zzc-gamo-urban-single-shot-trayv5 (https://www.tinkercad.com/things/40OHPRP8zzc-gamo-urban-single-shot-trayv5)
Feel free to tinker and improve on it
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Probably a silly idea, but if you are taking the tray in and out for each shot, why not use the regular mag. and only load one pellet at a time. After much thought (about three seconds) it is a silly idea.
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The tray is NOT designed to be taken out after every shot. Just drop the pellet and it rolls down by gravity in front of the probe.
Yes, if you have to remove it after every shot then it is a useless design. My intended use for the tray is for field target. For safety reason, they ask you to remove mag when moving stations.
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I wish someone with the talents and resources that you appear to have would make some functional 10 shot mags that were affordable.
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Sorry for resurrecting this, but does anyone have a source for a single shot try in 177 for an r10 mk2?
I have the loader and I think I'd like just a simple tray better.
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Sorry for resurrecting this, but does anyone have a source for a single shot try in 177 for an r10 mk2?
I have the loader and I think I'd like just a simple tray better.
Pyramydair has them😎
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Air Venturi took a look here I think...
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/air-venturi-single-shot-magazine-for-bsa-gamo-pcp-air-rifles?a=8798 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/air-venturi-single-shot-magazine-for-bsa-gamo-pcp-air-rifles?a=8798)
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You've got alot of great choices listed already. Just for completeness, here's one I posted awhile back on GrabCAD: https://grabcad.com/library/gamo-urban-single-shot-loader-1
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Wow thanks guys, my Google search only got me the loading insert. Thanks!
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You've got alot of great choices listed already. Just for completeness, here's one I posted awhile back on GrabCAD: https://grabcad.com/library/gamo-urban-single-shot-loader-1
This is my favorite so far. Printed one a few weeks ago and it almost works great. The issues are with my printer settings, I just bought a 3d printer and still working out the bugs so will be printing a few more of these after some bed changes. Now I need to remix it for a .177 for the Buccaneer on the way....