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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: keithd on August 19, 2017, 09:56:53 AM
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Doing a search on this forum on Condors I fine more in the classifieds than conversation threads is there a reason for this?
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How many hits did you get?
I just searched the word "Condor" from the root of the forum and only got 30 hits...
Seems low....
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yes low hits and most in the classified section
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I have one what do you want to know?
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I only wonder how people like them, accuracy vs other companies etc and found very little on the forum. As an American company I am wondering how they fair.
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Well both my Talon SS in .22 and my condor SS in .25 will hit beer CAPS at 35 yards all day long. The Condor with a 31 grain pellet will take out tree rats at 75 yards no problem.
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I love the Condor so much I got 3 of them :) I am pretty sure there are more than 30 threads on the Condor here. Some people also call their upgraded Talon with Condor parts: "Talandor". There should be a few of those as well, but you won't find as many threads as other PCP's for the simple fact that the majority of the shooters spend their $ on entry level PCP's in the $200-$300 range, or for multi-shot PCP's in the $450-$700 range over more expensive or similarly priced single-shot PCP's like the Condor.
It's just the way it is. The Condor may be more powerful, but for $200 and 20 FPE less, most people opt for the multi-shot Marauder. Having said that, there are a couple of well established dedicated Air Force forums with thousands of threads. Most Talon/Condor owners visit those forums for advice and info on upgrade parts and mods.
Almost forgot - my Condors are tack drivers at any power level, and 1 of them goes up to 90fpe.
Harry
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Thanks for the info
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Yup, pretty boring air rifle, load-shoot-hit-repeat! ;)
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I used to love my blue .22 Condor Bounty Hunter . I added a.25 cal barrel and a TT quick change top hat. Everything else is stock. And now I love it even more with the 33 grain MK II JSB. The strings below are from power 6 2500 psi fill.
60FPS is very doable but I have to wear hearing protection and the felt increase in recoil is obvious. I thought of adding a regulator but that would add $200+. By then it will be a $735 gun + $200 regulator + $200 Hawke scope.. That will be closed to the price of an FX Streamline. So I will not be regulating this gun.
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I am pondering one
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I am pondering one
If you hunt or do a lot of pest control go for it.
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If you are looking for a hunter, look no further. If your a good shot and the rifle is accurate, you only really need one. It all depends on what your goal is, are you looking for a paper punch and don't mind a butterfly flying faster than your pellet? If that is the case look else where cause you won't find it in a Condor. Now if your looking for a 150fpe 1000fps rifle that you can place between the ears of a varmint at 125yds and still give'um a dirt nap, the Condor can be that rifle for you.
The up-side is you can mod it fairly easily but the downside is it cost money to do it. The most common mods are custom barrels in .257 or .308 along with matching hammers and valves. High Pressure air tanks that can handle 4500 psi, heavy springs to open up the valve. Custom shrouds that match up to the long 26" or 32" barrels, custom stocks etc. etc..
If that is the gun your looking for then just listen to Doug and do what he suggests.
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If you are looking for a hunter, look no further. If your a good shot and the rifle is accurate, you only really need one. It all depends on what your goal is, are you looking for a paper punch and don't mind a butterfly flying faster than your pellet? If that is the case look else where cause you won't find it in a Condor. Now if your looking for a 150fpe 1000fps rifle that you can place between the ears of a varmint at 125yds and still give'um a dirt nap, the Condor can be that rifle for you.
The up-side is you can mod it fairly easily but the downside is it cost money to do it. The most common mods are custom barrels in .257 or .308 along with matching hammers and valves. High Pressure air tanks that can handle 4500 psi, heavy springs to open up the valve. Custom shrouds that match up to the long 26" or 32" barrels, custom stocks etc. etc..
If that is the gun your looking for then just listen to Doug and do what he suggests.
when comes to pb hunting I am a single shot fan, Ruger No.1, H&R, TC Contender. Of course used to hunt with springers . The mag thing is just easier loading tiny pellets. I use pellet pens, but that does not look like it will work with the Condor/Talon. So loading and the futuristic look are the only questions in my mind.
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One suggestion, get a Tx Tophat from Edwin Bumpass ( Airguns of Tx ) you can tune her to your liking and pellet of choice. I like her with no restrictor to shoot slugs 51gr from Nielsen Ammo 960fps
Add medium restrictor turn power down to shoot 34gr JSB 910fps. With a chrony you can find the best FPS with each ammo. Also the Tx Tophat will help with a much higher shot count. I love mine for hunting predators.
Best of Luck Brother Man
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Did you see this one?
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=130966.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=130966.0)
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Did you see this one?
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=130966.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=130966.0)
Yes I did,
Thanks Bill for the additional enabling
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LOL Keith.... I'm just trying to get someone to buy it so I'll stop looking at it.
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LOL Keith.... I'm just trying to get someone to buy it so I'll stop looking at it.
You're a big help, it is a nice looking setup. Wonder why he is selling it after all that work
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I talked to him and he said he just couldn't get the accuracy dialed in. It was his first attempt to PCP and he thinks he bit off more than he can chew.
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I'd have it but, I just can't shake the cash loose.
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I talked to him and he said he just couldn't get the accuracy dialed in. It was his first attempt to PCP and he thinks he bit off more than he can chew.
That scares me a bit I read these were good out of the box and not pellet fussy. Accuracy are we talk 1.0" groups at 50 yards they are supposed to do that out of the box?
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That's exactly why I'm not scared. Something seems to be amiss and I'm confident that it's simple. Like I said... If I had the money I'd be all over it.
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Most of the time the problem is people are shooting pellets to fast. It's not hard to do in the AF platform. Guns need to be turned down. O ring under the top hat and take out the hammer weight. They shoot good.
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I have messaged him more to follow
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Good Luck Keith..
That gun screams to be shot..
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Love all 4 of mine!
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I have
.22
.25 regulated
.30 regulated
.257
.257 regulated
.308
.308
.338 regulated
Still to build
.257
7mm
.308
.357
They all be regulated when I get my new tank setup built.
I guess you can say I like the platform
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My condor ss in .25 is stock except for the TT top hat. If I am off by a bit it will gut a tree rat at 35 + yards.
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I love mine! A custom .30 Condor SS and a TalonP I converted to a "bullpup" of sorts.
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Just sent funds on this gun
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=130966.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=130966.0)
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I have
.22
.25 regulated
.30 regulated
.257
.257 regulated
.308
.308
.338 regulated
Still to build
.257
7mm
.308
.357
They all be regulated when I get my new tank setup built.
I guess you can say I like the platform
How does one go about regulating one of these??
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Just sent funds on this gun
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=130966.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=130966.0)
AWESOME !!!!
MAN !!! I'm glad you got that gun.... I hated seeing it orphaned there in the classifieds. I wouldn't be able to sleep with that gun in my house... I would sit up all night just looking at it.
Congrats.
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Just sent funds on this gun
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=130966.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=130966.0)
AWESOME !!!!
MAN !!! I'm glad you got that gun.... I hated seeing it orphaned there in the classifieds. I wouldn't be able to sleep with that gun in my house... I would sit up all night just looking at it.
Congrats.
Thanks I will take good care of her for you ;)
it is a deep hole I am in
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LOL..... yep.. and just hang onto that shovel, I won't be needing it back.
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LOL..... yep.. and just hang onto that shovel, I won't be needing it back.
Big help you are :o
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This is the way I do it. This chamber is a little on the large size. It is the first one I did like this and it came out 125 cc.
This is on my .30. Reg set is at 1350 psi and it shoots 850's-920's with PW adjustment. I had a hard time tuning this thing down. It was set at 1800 psi from the old chamber. Was shooting around almost 1100 fps when I first put it together.
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This is the way I do it. This chamber is a little on the large size. It is the first one I did like this and it came out 125 cc.
This is on my .30. Reg set is at 1350 psi and it shoots 850's-920's with PW adjustment. I had a hard time tuning this thing down. It was set at 1800 psi from the old chamber. Was shooting around almost 1100 fps when I first put it together.
I can see this will not be simple if I want to keep the gun looking aesthetically the same
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Yes, please don't change that gun....lol
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I just looked at the add- you shouldn't have to do a single thing to that airgun... just enjoy it while you get used to it!!
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I just looked at the add- you shouldn't have to do a single thing to that airgun... just enjoy it while you get used to it!!
I won't do a thing till I get used to it. Seller says accuracy is lacking a bit maybe too much speed.
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I just looked at the add- you shouldn't have to do a single thing to that airgun... just enjoy it while you get used to it!!
I won't do a thing till I get used to it. Seller says accuracy is lacking a bit maybe too much speed.
Keith.. I also spoke to the seller in length when the gun was posted.... oh, I wanted it badly..
He told me about the accuracy issues he was having. Speed and pellet choice was the first thing that came to my mind. I know you will find the right combination... I LOVE THAT GUN !!!
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I just looked at the add- you shouldn't have to do a single thing to that airgun... just enjoy it while you get used to it!!
I won't do a thing till I get used to it. Seller says accuracy is lacking a bit maybe too much speed.
Keith.. I also spoke to the seller in length when the gun was posted.... oh, I wanted it badly..
He told me about the accuracy issues he was having. Speed and pellet choice was the first thing that came to my mind. I know you will find the right combination... I LOVE THAT GUN !!!
She really does look sweet, he did an excellent job setting her up
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I can only speak from my experiences with the .45 Texan. Some major differences than the Condor, but also lots of similarities.
I can say this... no doubt my next gun will be a .25 Condor. I love the butt stock air tank and narrow front profile of the AF guns for tree stand, hunting rifles.
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For an inline regulator, go with an Altaros. I have two and both work well!!
http://www.altaros.cz/en/25-gunpower (http://www.altaros.cz/en/25-gunpower)
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This is the way I do it. This chamber is a little on the large size. It is the first one I did like this and it came out 125 cc.
This is on my .30. Reg set is at 1350 psi and it shoots 850's-920's with PW adjustment. I had a hard time tuning this thing down. It was set at 1800 psi from the old chamber. Was shooting around almost 1100 fps when I first put it together.
Doug?
How much is one of your Pre-chambers, say 75 cc?
thanks, Rick
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Hey!
Just found a .308 barrel that is 24". is 1:12 the right twist rate for air rifles?
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Now it is like Christmas waiting for ups to pickup the CSS and deliver it to me as well as waiting for mike to send dominator
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Hey!
Just found a .308 barrel that is 24". is 1:12 the right twist rate for air rifles?
If your building a 24"gun 1-20 would be ideal. My new 308 barrel I'm waiting for is 1:18 and i will be shooting 139 gr between 950-1000 fps. Right now I'm shooting them at 950 fps in 1:14.
What's the fps for 25 with the altros?
That tank setup is for my .30 and gets around 110 shots from 880-890 fps with 45 gr. 45 ci tank.
The chamber is not cheap to make. Takes me awhile to make one. Right now I don't even have the time.
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Love my .25 cal. Condor. I have a .45 cal Texan and am looking into getting a .177 next. Great guns.
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Scheduled to arrive tomorrow
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I have a .257 that Doug did a lot of the work on. Particurally the valve system. It is a true long range hammer!, I got the bbl. from R&L that I fire lapped. It is almost unreal in the accuracy department.
I still have a custom .25 barrel for it. It too is very accurate. It is the factory L/W barrel that I lapped and polished the bore, and use the Mill to flute the barrel out side diameter. I have used it a lot for pesting. Couldn't be happier with it.
Odd thing is, my R&L .257 barrel will shoot JSB Kings as well. That is not supposed to happen. A very happy state of affairs! ;)
I think with the gun, and the very nice stock on it, your going to be one happy camper!
Knife
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I have a .257 that Doug did a lot of the work on. Particurally the valve system. It is a true long range hammer!, I got the bbl. from R&L that I fire lapped. It is almost unreal in the accuracy department.
I still have a custom .25 barrel for it. It too is very accurate. It is the factory L/W barrel that I lapped and polished the bore, and use the Mill to flute the barrel out side diameter. I have used it a lot for pesting. Couldn't be happier with it.
Odd thing is, my R&L .257 barrel will shoot JSB Kings as well. That is not supposed to happen. A very happy state of affairs! ;)
I think with the gun, and the very nice stock on it, your going to be one happy camper!
Knife
Thanks I believe I will. And after all you have to do is believe right!! :)
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She has arrived, Joel (previous owner) is a great guy to deal with. Now I have to wait for my pellets to arrive as I did not have a .25 cal.
Will take some pics and keep you posted once she is set up
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Get your pellets yet!?
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Get your pellets yet!?
Yes pellets and bi-pod are in but I have not had time to shoot her yet. I mounted the scope, but not on tri-rail just on the reg. rail as the height seems fine. Went to mount bi-pod and found the sling stud on the pic rail is in the way of my mounting. I have to find a screw to replace the sling stud. I also may go back to the oem top hat, the TalonTunes HP is in her now. She is a beauty for sure.
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I bought as used .22 SS from the classified section at the end of July. Had a TT top hat, Alteros reg, UTG Accushot scope, a 88 CF SCBA, and more. Wanted a .25 with 24 inch barrel, but I got a good deal on the .22 SS and am quite happy. Only one problem, and it's a big one, ,,,,, I think I'm addicted.
Bought a Hong Yeng compressor and gold filter. Now I'm looking at the FX Crown and Streamline. Not to mention another break barrel for close up work. Not going to bring up optics......
I have 80 acres, semi wooded and great hunting/shooting areas. 350 yards plus rifle range from the back deck. At times it's a par 5 hole as well.
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I bought as used .22 SS from the classified section at the end of July. Had a TT top hat, Alteros reg, UTG Swat scope, a 88 CF SCBA, and more. Wanted a .25 with 24 inch barrel, but I got a good deal on the .22 SS and am quite happy. Only one problem, and it's a big one, ,,,,, I think I'm addicted.
Bought a Hong Yeng compressor and gold filter. Now I'm looking at the FX Crown and Streamline. Not to mention another break barrel for close up work. Not going to bring up optics......
I have 80 acres, semi wooded and great hunting/shooting areas. 350 yards plus rifle range from the back deck. At times it's a par 5 hole as well.
The addiction comes on quick and the all the guys here just feed it ;D lmbo
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I think the combination of the talent tunes top hat and the Alteros regulator are excellent. Power wheel has very little effect on velocities with this setup. Reg is running about 2200 psi. I have a half dozen different inserts for the top hat. I just change inserts for different velocities.
My normal set up drives 14.3 grain Crossman domes at 920 ft./s and 15 grain JSB at 910 ft./s. I get 80+ good shots before it falls off the regulator. Same set up drives 18 grain JSB at 860 ft./s with no POI change at 50 yards.
I'm shooting 1 inch 10 shot groups @ 50 yards. Not impressive, I know, but I'm getting better as I learn. The gun likes the 18 grain JSB's the best, but I ran out of them and they were out of stock every where so I ordered a few different pellets to try. The gun is somewhat hold sensitive. There is some flex in the structure. Shooting from the bipod is more hold sensitive than bags under the forestock. For this reason my next rifle will have a fully floated barrel. Hoping that will help compensate for my inconsistent technique.
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Congrats !
The Air Force guns are unique, powerful, american, and just plain awesome. I love mine to pieces. I can run 12 FPE up 50 FPE in just a few minutes. I have the carbon fiber TT tank, drop adapter, and tophat. I shoot it off the bipod as much as I can but am getting pretty good shouldering it. Mine is .22 with a heavy 18" barrel and I also have (installed) a 12" .22 barrel. The 18" is ideal, heavy but unbearable. Mine LOVES 21g Barracudas. I hope you love it as much as I love mine !
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Get your pellets yet!?
Yes pellets and bi-pod are in but I have not had time to shoot her yet. I mounted the scope, but not on tri-rail just on the reg. rail as the height seems fine. Went to mount bi-pod and found the sling stud on the pic rail is in the way of my mounting. I have to find a screw to replace the sling stud. I also may go back to the oem top hat, the TalonTunes HP is in her now. She is a beauty for sure.
I just got a Condor SS in .25 and it's stock for now, but I've been looking at the Talon Tunes stuff. He's based out of Florida, I wonder if he got hit bad by Irma?
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The leaves are falling and my addiction is acting up again.Santa,could you bring me a Condor SS 25 cal.(blue finish). I promise to be good :)
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Woodtic,
Where do you get the several inserts.?The TT Quick Change Top hat comes with 2 inserts(set screw with drilled center hole. I'm just curious.Or do you mean different rubber O rings?