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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: BackRoadRunner on April 06, 2017, 08:06:48 PM
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I just received a new Maximus Hunter direct from crosman. The breech is lifted at the front, you can see under it. The barrel sits bowed up slightly with the muzzle angled down. With scope adjusted all the way up it still shoots about 3" low at 10ft! Should I return the gun? The website shows out of stock now. Help.
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Look in the breech slot where you load pellets. There is a very tiny screw that holds the breech down. It is item #2 in the schematic. See if it is missing or snapped off. But your answer is it should not be lifted above the airtube. Take a picture an call crosman customer service.
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First talk with Crosman about your options. (BTW does it have about 1000 psi in the tube and holding?)
From the description it appears the transfer port (TP) is not seated. Surprising it was not seen during assembly. Either the TP is cocked or misaligned, or the barrel TP and breech TP are misaligned.
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Look in the breech slot where you load pellets. There is a very tiny screw that holds the breech down. It is item #2 in the schematic. See if it is missing or snapped off. But your answer is it should not be lifted above the airtube. Take a picture an call crosman customer service.
The Maximus has the rear location of the tiny 4-48 screw in the loading port - it is under the bolt probe and very difficult to see.
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It looks like the bolt has to be removed to access the screw? I am having a hard time seeing it. I can press down on the front of the breech and it goes down against the air tube. When I release it lifts back up. Maybe a 1/32 or a little more. It held 2000psi fine over night so I don't believe there are any leaks.
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I tried loosening the barrel band and sliding it forward to see if that had any effect. no change, breech still sits lifted away from airtube.
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First talk with Crosman about your options. (BTW does it have about 1000 psi in the tube and holding?)
From the description it appears the transfer port (TP) is not seated. Surprising it was not seen during assembly. Either the TP is cocked or misaligned, or the barrel TP and breech TP are misaligned.
I'd guess the transfer port isn't seated right too.
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I was able to verify that the screw under the bolt probe is in place. Needed some good light to see it. I fired the gun about twenty times last night but it was getting dark and I couldn't see where it was hitting. Tonight I verified that it is really low. Also, it doesn't seem like it hits with as much power as it should. I shot another Maximus and it was really nice, accurate and hard hitting. Really disappointed with this one!
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From your description, it appears that the transfer port is not properly seated. Pull the bolt back like cocking it and look for the barrel port just forward of the leade and you should see a RED transfer port below that barrel port. You can sea if it's evenly seated. You can also loosen the back screw holding the breech then you can unscrew the bold handle. You should be able to back the bolt enough to access the tiny screw that gets rounded easily so be careful. Loosen or remove that tiny screw if able to then try picking the transfer port and see if you can seat it in.
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Well, I just sent compete details for disassembly and it is not here. :-\ Do you want it repeated, or has the bolt retracted far enough after removal of the handle, or are you going to exchange the rifle?
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Wouldn't take it apart and reinstall. Idk how different it is from a disco but if it's anything like the disco it will only take a few minutes. Just be careful, that tiny screw can be easy to round.
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So I was able to remove the screw and breech plug. Does the gun need to be cocked to move the bolt back out of the way? I didn't unscrew the bolt handle yet.
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I downloaded the parts schematic from crosman so I see how everything goes.
Thanks for all the replies everyone.
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Still haven't figured out how the bolt goes back out of the way.
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You need to remove the air tube end cap. Gun decocked, Hold the cap in place as it has a little spring pressure on it still. Remove the rear trigger screw, the end cap will come off since you already have the breech plug out.
Now, you can get the bolt and hammer moved back and access the little screw in the loading port.
No need to degass for this since your working the non air side of the valve...
Edit,
Misread one of your posts, you'll need to remove the bolt handle as well...
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Wouldn't take it apart and reinstall. Idk how different it is from a disco but if it's anything like the disco it will only take a few minutes. Just be careful, that tiny screw can be easy to round.
Would* dang phone
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Since you were able to just push down the breech, if the TP was originally holding it up, it might have fallen out.
When you re-assemble, do not try to draw the breech down with that little screw. Clamp the breech to the airtube, then tighten that screw. Be very careful, easy to round out, or snap it off.
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Just in case you got the transfer port out...long side up to barrel short with rubber seal towards valve.
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Thanks for all the feedback and instruction. I will give it a try again tonight. My son called with car trouble so I wasn't able to do any more on it last night.
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It appears the stock is in the way of the rear air tube cap coming off? At least it looks that way. I think I am just going to call crosman Monday and see about sending it back. Not impressed with the quality of metal parts, kinda rough, lots of little bare spots. Almost makes me think it was a return once already.
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There is just the stock screw and you can wiggle the action out of the stock, but understand and you are certainly entitled to a replacement or refund.
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It appears the stock is in the way of the rear air tube cap coming off? At least it looks that way. I think I am just going to call crosman Monday and see about sending it back. Not impressed with the quality of metal parts, kinda rough, lots of little bare spots. Almost makes me think it was a return once already.
Yes, you need to remove the action from the stock.
Might be better to just send it back..
edit:
What fuzzygrub said, should have clicked on page 2 before posting :D
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Defiantly if in doubt about working on an air gun (esp PCP), let the pro's do it. 8)
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Not so much a concern about taking it apart, more about maybe not being able to correct it and then trying to send it back with signs of taking it apart. I have a crosman shockwave that I just did a charlie da tuna trigger swap in so not uncomfortable doing a teardown.
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OK 8) cool but yeah one would like to be able to drive the "used car " off the lot . I agree !
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Two negatives to sending it back:
One- crosman is sold out now
Two- I have a brand new pump sitting here!
I will probably give in and try taking it apart this weekend.
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Two negatives to sending it back:
One- crosman is sold out now
Two- I have a brand new pump sitting here!
I will probably give in and try taking it apart this weekend.
Whatever you do, don't strip out or snap off the tiny breech screw. I made that mistake recently. Definitely clap the breech down first and still be careful. Other than that, it was simple enough for even me to do.
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Update:
So I got up this morning and decided to take it apart. Everything came apart very easily. Most screws were barely tight. The breech screw came out easily. The transfer port looked ok. I wiped everything down and reassembled. Used a clamp as suggested to hold the breech tight. Reinstalled the breech screw. Everything seems to be together and there is no more being able to move the front of the breech up and down!
Have to put the scope back on and see what she does now! Fingers crossed.
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Update:
So I got up this morning and decided to take it apart. Everything came apart very easily. Most screws were barely tight. The breech screw came out easily. The transfer port looked ok. I wiped everything down and reassembled. Used a clamp as suggested to hold the breech tight. Reinstalled the breech screw. Everything seems to be together and there is no more being able to move the front of the breech up and down!
Have to put the scope back on and see what she does now! Fingers crossed.
That should do it. They probably didn't have that breech screw properly tightened. It should shoot much better now. It's amazing how just disassembling and reassembling with proper technique can improve things.
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She is shooting great now. About 6 shots to get on target. A few more getting dialed in. Then, hey!, where are they going? All making a single ragged hole in the black! :D
Many, many thanks to all of you!
Here is a shot a about 20 yards.
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She is shooting great now. About 6 shots to get on target. A few more getting dialed in. Then, hey!, where are they going? All making a single ragged hole in the black! :D
Many, many thanks to all of you!
Here is a shot a about 20 yards.
Congratulations, Dale! Looks like you've got her dialed in!
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She is shooting great now. About 6 shots to get on target. A few more getting dialed in. Then, hey!, where are they going? All making a single ragged hole in the black! :D
Many, many thanks to all of you!
Here is a shot a about 20 yards.
Sweet! I don't even know why i ordered a maximus...mine delivers tuesday :D
I hope it shoots as good as yours does ;)
Ill be doing a tear down, trigger job and ldc install before the first pellet goes thru the bore.
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I want to do some work on the trigger at some point. Pretty happy with the way it is shooting now, so I 'll (try ;)) to leave it as is for a bit. Wish I was a little steadier though!
So, it appears the the small breech screw was not tightened down. Couldn't tell if the little transport tube was causing it but most likely was not in quite right.
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Nice job Dale! Now get to more shooting!!! :D
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Wow, this gun is accurate! I can put a pellet pretty much anywhere I want!! The picture attached is a soup can with a target stuck to it. The can was on a small tree, maybe 1/2 inch diameter. I can shoot the little tree trunk in half at 20yds. Awesome! Any bad shots now are on me.
Thanks again everyone for your assistance.
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Congrats on getting it repaired and shooting well. :)
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It's made by Crosman, so yes.
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She is shooting great now. About 6 shots to get on target. A few more getting dialed in. Then, hey!, where are they going? All making a single ragged hole in the black! :D
Many, many thanks to all of you!
Here is a shot a about 20 yards.
Now that's defective...should be seeing 6 holes! ;)
Now you got your feet wet and can do some mods on your maximus.