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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: RAJOD on March 06, 2017, 03:35:35 AM
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I started out long ago with a crosman 760 and 766?(rifled barrel). In the 1980s.
Later I tried a break Barrel beeman and then went PCP, Daystate Regal XL and Brocock eiite S6. Both in .22 at 25 to 30 FPE.
I gave my break barrel to a friend, I never liked it, it was a scope breaker and always had to tinker with the bolts and scope or it could not be trusted shot to shot. The PCPs are almost like cheating they are so much easier to shoot and can use any scope without worrying about the optics being torn apart.
So now I'm looking at another gun just for kicks. Could be Co2, under leaver, or even pump. No PCP I have that covered.
My criteria is
- Must be light under 7 pounds (no 10+ pound monsters)
- Must be over 15 fpe
- hmm would rather have .22 but if you can argue for .177 I'll listen.
- No break barrels - Under or side lever might be ok.
Ones I'm currently eyeballing.
- Air Arms Pro Sport or the Walther LGU, (Might be too heavy though)
- Any pumps - seems the pumps are dead though. People saying the new benjamins are poor quality vs the 1980s ones.
- Walther Lever Action - Co2 (might be too weak to kill small game)
- RWS 48 or something like that.
If its a springer I don't want a finicky one that you have to tune and learn to shoot etc. My current PCPs I have not done anything to and they hold 3000 psi for years no headaches they just work. No tuning either.
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If you're eye balling those guns, you should look at a HW97K caliber .20
Incredibly accurate gun and it's not hold sensitive.
It's not under 7LBS though, but it's so well balanced that it feels lighter.
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None of the spring gun choices are under 7lbs. If you want a pump I would look at an older bluestreak.
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You are venturing into the realm of Unobtanium. Once you get into the realm of 15+ FPE, you pretty much eliminate all springer/NP guns for weight. A suggestion might be a QB-78, or QB-79. I have both. The QB-78 runs on 2-12g CO2, or can be modded for bulk fill CO2. The QB-79, will run off a CO2 paintball tank, 88g CO2 (with sep. adapter), 12g (with sep adapter), or a 13ci HPA tank (1100 psi reg.). Both of these guns come in at 6 lbs. My QB 79 has had a little valve work done (easy!), and currently gets 17-18 FPE on the 1100 psi HPA. These are pretty accurate, fun guns, that aren't very expensive. Make sure that you but them from a dealer that tests the guns before shipping. I can't mention that dealer here, but they are in Fairport , NY.
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I have never tried CO2 in my Discovery to see what it would do but being I live in a colder climate probably not so good. One thing about c02 is if it's kept at the same temperature for each shot it's about as consistent as anyone could want. I have a Bluestreak that I bought new in 77 and it's a fantastic pumper, if you're anywhere near Kalamazoo Michigan I recommend the Kalamazoo Airgun show, it's fantastic, I went for the first time last summer and this year I'm going to show up there with a wad in my pocket ;D I know you'd be able to find a good old Streak there.
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Under 7 lbs.
Over 15 FPE
Not hold sensitive.
Doesn't need tuning.
I want one too !
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Under 7lbs underlever
Over 15 fpe
Not hold sensitive
No learning curve
When you find this unicorn of a springer, PLEASE let us all know about it. I want one
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If you're eye balling those guns, you should look at a HW97K caliber .20
Incredibly accurate gun and it's not hold sensitive.
It's not under 7LBS though, but it's so well balanced that it feels lighter.
Yea that HW97K looks nice. I think I wanted .22 just because all my guns are .22 doing that I won't have any mix ups in ammo. .20 is sort of a strange size in terms of finding pellets. .177 or .22 is available and most local stores in my area.
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I have never tried CO2 in my Discovery to see what it would do but being I live in a colder climate probably not so good. One thing about c02 is if it's kept at the same temperature for each shot it's about as consistent as anyone could want. I have a Bluestreak that I bought new in 77 and it's a fantastic pumper, if you're anywhere near Kalamazoo Michigan I recommend the Kalamazoo Airgun show, it's fantastic, I went for the first time last summer and this year I'm going to show up there with a wad in my pocket ;D I know you'd be able to find a good old Streak there.
No I have never been to a air gun show but Kzoo is not too far from me like an hour or so.
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Under 7lbs underlever
Over 15 fpe
Not hold sensitive
No learning curve
When you find this unicorn of a springer, PLEASE let us all know about it. I want one
LOL, yea maybe its a tall order. But there are so many guns out there I figured if anyone knew of one it would be here.
Maybe I'll just get a 50.00 Crosman 2100 and call it good. Very light weight.
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your weight requirement and the fact you do not want a break barrel makes it very narrow search... you can get a Disco in .22, but given that you already have PCPs it makes no sense...
I would give break barrels a good look again. most .22 BB will reach your power level without being to harsh. My choice would be a HW95 in .22 (you can shoot it as is but tuning would make it a forever gun), or if price is an issue get the chinese copy B26 in .22 tuned by Mike Mellick. should be about 200 to 250 TUNED and shipped to you. they are about 6.5 lbs and are not difficult to master. plus the tuning will make it easier on your scopes.
Or take your Chances with a BSA GRT... i hear that the barrels are still cold forged steel, made by BSA...
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I had a TX200 22cal. and I still have a D34p 22cal. They shot at the same power, about 15fpe. I sold the TX and kept the 34 for a few reasons. The 34 is just as accurate as my TX. The 34 weighed less then the TX. The 34s to6 trigger is just as good as the TX. IMO, The only thing the TX did better than my 34 was It looked soooo good doing it. You might want to look at an HW95 or a D34. Break barrels are very accurate. Give one another chance, and A tuned springer is something you should try. I wish we lived close so you could shoot mine. All my springers are tuned. Its worth it.
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Sounds to me like you already have it well covered with your Daystate and Brocock. Anything else will just be a disappointment compared to those.
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Sounds to me like you already have it well covered with your Daystate and Brocock. Anything else will just be a disappointment compared to those.
You are probably correct. I'm just adding to my collection. I have PCP, I gave away my springer w scope for free. Just did not like it but it was not the best springer, I don't like break barrels w/ scopes I think they are fine for open sights.
- Maybe a Benjamin 392 pump
- and a side or under lever springer.
I think I did not spoiled on the weight of the Daystate. It does all I ask in my want list. But was trying to come close with a springer if possible. Maybe its not.
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Maybe a Benjamin 392 pump
I have a Benjamin 392 with a Steroid treatment by Tim Mac, and a custom stock I made myself. Pumping that thing 8 or more times to get any decent power is a real workout in my old age, besides taking a lot of time between each shot and being very noisy to pump. I'd much rather hand-pump a PCP. Putting a scope on it (because of my old eyes) is a real pain because you need a pistol scope in order to mount the scope far enough forward to have a place to put your hand when pumping. The Crosman scope mount that clamps onto the barrel is not very sturdy.
You already got rid of a springer because you didn't like the problems associated with springers. I made the mistake of buying a couple new fully-tuned springers recently, thinking perhaps a different one would not have the same problems. Guess what? The two new ones have the same problems.
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If you're eye balling those guns, you should look at a HW97K caliber .20
Incredibly accurate gun and it's not hold sensitive.
It's not under 7LBS though, but it's so well balanced that it feels lighter.
Yea that HW97K looks nice. I think I wanted .22 just because all my guns are .22 doing that I won't have any mix ups in ammo. .20 is sort of a strange size in terms of finding pellets. .177 or .22 is available and most local stores in my area.
I'm sure the .22 is just as accurate.
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Where are you finding all those Rats to shoot? You live near a dump?
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ROFL, yeah, my back yard is a dump. ;D ;D
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If you're eye balling those guns, you should look at a HW97K caliber .20
Incredibly accurate gun and it's not hold sensitive.
It's not under 7LBS though, but it's so well balanced that it feels lighter.
Yea that HW97K looks nice. I think I wanted .22 just because all my guns are .22 doing that I won't have any mix ups in ammo. .20 is sort of a strange size in terms of finding pellets. .177 or .22 is available and most local stores in my area.
At almost 9 lbs., and only 12-13 FPE, that one bombs out on two counts of your requirements.
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I don't know about the .22 but my .20 was 15FPE out of the box.
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Hmmmm..... how about the Gamo Accu .22?
- Must be light under 7 pounds - check 6.6 lbs
- Must be over 15 fpe - close, I think mine is right around 15 FPE, maybe a bit over
- hmm would rather have .22 - check
- No break barrels - Under or side lever might be ok. - check, under lever
And it's pretty accurate.
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Ok maybe I have to modify requirements down to 12 FPE. Yea once you have a 30FPE PCP at 6.5lbs non PCPs seem to be a compromise in one thing or another. So I guess FPE needs to step down.
- Walther Lever Action CO2 Rifle, Black (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/walther-lever-action-co2-rifle-black?m=2445 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/walther-lever-action-co2-rifle-black?m=2445))
But I've heard CO2s have issues at 90 degree or cold. Not sure how big a deal it is. It looks like a fun gun to shoot though.
- Maybe for springs would need to set weight higher maybe 8 lbs if one exists.
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Check at grabagun.com they have some unique air rifles listed.
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Just got this in. Meets all the specs and is a springer muiltishot. They say its a game changer, and it is in terms of price. But its probably junk, will have to see a review on it. Its under 6 pounds. (Arghh its a break barrel though)
Gamo Swarm Maxxim Multi-shot Air Rifle
Caliber 0.22" (5.5mm)
Max Velocity 975 fps
Loudness 3-Medium
Barrel Length 19.9"
Overall Length 45.3"
Shot Capacity 10
Cocking Effort 30 lbs.
Barrel Rifled
Front Sight none
Rear Sight none
Scopeable Yes
Trigger Two-stage adjustable
Buttplate Rubber
Suggested for Small game hunting/plinking
Trigger Pull 3.2 lbs
Action Break barrel
Safety Manual
Powerplant Gas-piston
Function Repeater
Material Metal/ABS plastic
Body Type Rifle
Fixed/adj. power Fixed
Weight 5.64 lbs
Shrouded Yes
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Something a little different. Hatsan Dominator S carbine. A little heavier than you said. Built like a tank. Shoulders great. Pistol grip very comfortable. Tac driver. Weaver or 11mm. Doesn't kick hard like other big Hatsans. I have an AK sling on mine and a air stripper on mine. Don't have to worry about scratching it. Trigger was great right out of the box. Can be had in .177, .22 or .25, spring or gas ram.
Grab a Gun $277.
Air Gun Pro Shop refurb $129
I have a Swarm. Like it a lot. But it is to light for me. I filled the butt stock with old and cheap pellets.
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So now I'm looking at another gun just for kicks. Could be Co2, under leaver, or even pump. No PCP I have that covered.
My criteria is
- Must be light under 7 pounds (no 10+ pound monsters)
- Must be over 15 fpe
- hmm would rather have .22 but if you can argue for .177 I'll listen.
- No break barrels - Under or side lever might be ok.
Ones I'm currently eyeballing.
- Air Arms Pro Sport or the Walther LGU, (Might be too heavy though)
- Any pumps - seems the pumps are dead though. People saying the new benjamins are poor quality vs the 1980s ones.
- Walther Lever Action - Co2 (might be too weak to kill small game)
- RWS 48 or something like that.
If its a springer I don't want a finicky one that you have to tune and learn to shoot etc. My current PCPs I have not done anything to and they hold 3000 psi for years no headaches they just work. No tuning either.
All springers are finnicky, compared to PCPs. Even the high-end ones' POIs change with temperature and how long they've sat between shooting sessions. Once "warmed-up" with a couple shots, they're fine.
Diana 48 is a tank, doesn't meet your weight criteria. The Pro Sport and LGU; same thing.
I'd drop the 15 FPE requirement, as you already have guns that are capable of hunting.
3 ideas:
1) Walther lever action. It really changes things up and adds something new to your arsenal. I've never read a bad report about them. They're just fun. I don't believe they're 15 FPE, but you could take pest birds with it. It'll be fun and a totally different kind of shooting than you're used to. Not too serious.
2) Along that same line of thought, an HW30s or Beeman R7. They're an easy-cocking, not hold-sensitive, not finnicky low power springer.
3) A used, tuned Benji 392 that is a known shooter (no paint overspray in the barrel) with a peep site would be good too. 3 pumps for plinking. 6 for small critters, 8 for bigger critters.
As a reference point, 12 FPE is plenty enough for squirrels, and 9 is enough at closer ranges of 15 yards or so. 7 is pushing it and requires perfect placement.
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Something a little different. Hatsan Dominator S carbine. A little heavier than you said. .
You mean Hatsan Dominator 200S Carbine? Yea maybe but its only .177 and .25 on the site I checked. I like that it has built in strap rings. That is a maybe for sure, thanks!
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Something a little different. Hatsan Dominator S carbine. A little heavier than you said. .
You mean Hatsan Dominator 200S Carbine? Yea maybe but its only .177 and .25 on the site I checked. I like that it has built in strap rings. That is a maybe for sure, thanks!
Air Gun Pro Shop has new .22 Dominator S carbines for $309.99. After posting above yesterday I took mine out. After checking zero on paper I killed three wine bottle corks at 25 yards. You need an off-set scope mount to get good eye relief. The Hatsan weaver mounts are a little to far forward.
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I'd get one of the plastic stocked $90 Crosman NP rifles in .177 and do a little trigger work. Box says 6 pounds and I figure somewhere close to 900 fps with 8 grain or so pellets. So just under 15 fpe.
I had one for a few hours, but took it back because the barrel looked out of spec to the right, and at the time I wasn't aware of all the available trigger mods.
But it was a really nice feeling and lightweight rifle with a very smooth shot cycle.
The standard plastic stocked NP .22 might get you there, but weighs about a half pound more and will run about $120 from what I've seen.
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Be aware that the manufacturers posted FPS may be far off what you will really get. [ except Hatsan , which is pretty accurate ] I have seen a 25% reduction !
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I wasn't gonna but what the heck...Hatsan Model 95 Vortex QE .22. Weighs in at 7.6 pounds unscoped, 2 stage adjustable trigger that, while it's no Rekord or T06, is a nice trigger in it's own right. The QE moderator makes them fairly quiet for a break barrel and yes, even for being one they're accurate with or without a scope and because it's a gas ram, the recoil goes straight back and forth unlike the twisting torque from a spring which because I own a few, makes them easier to be accurate with and the SAS shock absorbing system does work at helping dampen the recoil which helps add to the accuracy.
Gas rams are a different beast to shoot but you might just find you like them over a springer. Mine is the lesser version Edge Vortex that got swapped into a wood stock and doesn't have the Quattro trigger but it does have the same gas ram as the Model 95 and falls into the same power range which depending on pellet will be somewhere in the 17-19 fpe range.
That said, I also own the German side in a Weihrauch HW95 .22. A hair over 7 pounds, Rekord trigger, open sights, silly accurate with now 4 different pellets and depending on which of those I'm shooting, comes in right about 14.66 fpe. It's never been tuned but didn't feel it needed to be. No offense to the guys that won't shoot one until they tear down, tune and install a Vortek or JM kit straight out of the box or trot them off to a tuner without ever firing a shot, but I'm not one. I wanted to shoot mine just the way it came and even the trigger is just the way it came out of the box. Almost a 1000 shots later, I'm still not feeling any need to as the rifle has done nothing but get better the more I shoot it. The only thing that's been done to mine was adding a set of Mac1 screw cups to the front stock screws.
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Be aware that the manufacturers posted FPS may be far off what you will really get. [ except Hatsan , which is pretty accurate ] I have seen a 25% reduction !
I think Crosman claims 1200 fps on the .177 NP, and 1000 w/ lead.
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Hmmmm..... how about the Gamo Accu .22?
- Must be light under 7 pounds - check 6.6 lbs
- Must be over 15 fpe - close, I think mine is right around 15 FPE, maybe a bit over
- hmm would rather have .22 - check
- No break barrels - Under or side lever might be ok. - check, under lever
And it's pretty accurate.
Yea thanks! Gamo seems to have the market on light weight guns. Most of them are light.
I might have to go to a airgun show sometimes so I can see them up close and personal. Shopping on the net is fun but its not the same as seeing the gun in real life.
I appreciate all the great posts and suggestions, keep them coming.
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Yea thanks! Gamo seems to have the market on light weight guns. Most of them are light.
I might have to go to a airgun show sometimes so I can see them up close and personal. Shopping on the net is fun but its not the same as seeing the gun in real life.
I appreciate all the great posts and suggestions, keep them coming.
What you are proposing is wise, that is see if you can see them in person and better yet, if you can find someone that has some you could shoot, that would be even better.
39M has merit if you don't mind working on your rifle, that is disassembly and such.
scp52 latter part about the HW95 is generally considered a very good air rifle.
Another suggestion is to visit Flying Dragon and get one from him fully tuned.
Be careful concerning Gamo, some parts are almost impossible to get according to which model one is looking at.
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Thanks! I like that name and site "Flying Dragon" some pretty inexpensive tuned guns.
BAM B-26-2 - 100.00 no tune, 200.00 tuned.
XISICO XS28-M 200.00 no tune, 300.00 tuned
He is doing what those Chineese factories don't, he makes the guns work as advertised. I think thats why I hated that beeman I had, not tuned and a scope breaker.
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Take a look at the Gamo Maxium Swarm Multi shot break barrel with 10 shot magazine . So far everyone who has one seems to be surprised at the performance lightweight and multi shot break barrel springer whoda thunk a fun to shoot break barrel plinker :o ;D
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I think every collection needs at least one pumper. I'm sold on pcps as well but would never get rid of my 1322. Compact and VERY light weight. And the sky is the limit for customization.
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For a Springer you can't bet a Walther LGV. State of the art, quality, zero tolerance. Just relax, point and shoot. But if you want a light weight pumper go with the Benjamin 392, clean the paint off the inside of the crown. If you want you can do the trigger mods and you end up with a very nice trigger. Mine is very accurate.
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If you want to try co2 I'd go with Mike Melick at flying dragon air rifles.ive been shooting my xs60 co2 .22 cal quite a bit now that I purchased from him.You can leave it stock for it to shoot around 600 fps or get the power tune free of charge that shoots over 700 fps.They are pretty cheap at $125 and free shipping.Now I've only got about 12-15 yards to shoot from but from those distances it clover leafs pellets with a peep sight installed which is fun and is good for about 30 shots.
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I think every collection needs at least one pumper. I'm sold on pcps as well but would never get rid of my 1322. Compact and VERY light weight. And the sky is the limit for customization.
You know Rover, I agree with ya. I am missing a pumper. Was thinking about driving to walmart and get a Benjamin 392 for $150.00 just to have a pumper.
A 1322? Is that some kind of pump gun I've not heard of?
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Actually, the custom shop calls it the 1300kt. There's also the American Classic pistol. The basic custom shop versions are around $150 with a Lothar Walther barrel or $105 with a Crosman barrel. But they usually end up costing more with all the options out there. If you havn't seen it, this is a fun site http://www.crosman.com/custom-shop/ (http://www.crosman.com/custom-shop/)
Here's one set up by Mac 1 Airguns for bunnies and general campsite fun.
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z112/artrover/IMG_5833_zpsmcrveo8i.jpg) (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/artrover/media/IMG_5833_zpsmcrveo8i.jpg.html)
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Rover, that is pretty cool site. That was a pistol converted to rifle looks nice. And for the money its almost disposable. You can even have it Engraved on the side. Do you think Crosman would care if I put this on the side? (have to click image to see it)
How does it shoot?
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Haha, it'd definitely get first place for funniest engraving.
Out of the box and offhand it made bottle caps jump all day. Not sure of the range but I'm very impressed with the accuracy.
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And you can increase the power of a 13xx quite a bit with aftermarket parts...or homemade mods.
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How do you pump that thing? Was looking for a video on it. Its a pump right? not Co2
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Yep, the forearm is the pump grip.
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Thanks for all the suggestions on guns. I finally pulled the trigger on my next gun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q5yd5hjt-4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q5yd5hjt-4)
looks to be a fun shooter.
Still in the market for a pump as well. probably a benjamin or that crosman pistol
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It would be nice if somebody built a pump that had PCP power, especially a pistol. Even your old Crosman 760 was only 7 ftlbs and less if it was the Canadian model. I had one as well, I'd be a better shot today if it were an accurate rifle.
I guess the thought of building a four stage pump into the gun is too much, especially since the get more for the pump than the rifle...hard to believe a PCP cost more than a springer, it has half the parts, and except for the barrel, none of them difficult or expensive to manufacture.(To build a spring gun they have to buy the tools to drill a deep straight hole in a block of steel. A pcp can be built in your basement with a Dremel too and some Home Depot pipe fittings.)
Got a Hatsan 125 Sniper .25cal that I really don't like. It weighs as much as a bull barrel varmint rifle but will remind you of that forgotten part of hunting with your Crosman.("Really, BB's are less accurate than pellets." "?...!...?..., Uh..?")
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It would be nice if somebody built a pump that had PCP power, especially a pistol. Even your old Crosman 760 was only 7 ftlbs and less if it was the Canadian model. I had one as well, I'd be a better shot today if it were an accurate rifle.
I guess the thought of building a four stage pump into the gun is too much, especially since the get more for the pump than the rifle...hard to believe a PCP cost more than a springer, it has half the parts, and except for the barrel, none of them difficult or expensive to manufacture.(To build a spring gun they have to buy the tools to drill a deep straight hole in a block of steel. A pcp can be built in your basement with a Dremel too and some Home Depot pipe fittings.)
I guess there was a few pumps that had some power but at the 7th pump it was like 70 pounds of effort. Sales suffered as they were just too hard to pump.
Yea I am not sure why the PCPs cost more than the springers. I have found those simple little fitting are expensive. All the high pressure lines, valves seem to cost more. A simple high pressure quick connect fitting is 30.00.
Got a Hatsan 125 Sniper .25cal that I really don't like. It weighs as much as a bull barrel varmint rifle but will remind you of that forgotten part of hunting with your Crosman.("Really, BB's are less accurate than pellets." "?...!...?..., Uh..?")
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It would be nice if somebody built a pump that had PCP power, especially a pistol. Even your old Crosman 760 was only 7 ftlbs and less if it was the Canadian model. I had one as well, I'd be a better shot today if it were an accurate rifle.
I guess the thought of building a four stage pump into the gun is too much, especially since the get more for the pump than the rifle...hard to believe a PCP cost more than a springer, it has half the parts, and except for the barrel, none of them difficult or expensive to manufacture.(To build a spring gun they have to buy the tools to drill a deep straight hole in a block of steel. A pcp can be built in your basement with a Dremel too and some Home Depot pipe fittings.)
Got a Hatsan 125 Sniper .25cal that I really don't like. It weighs as much as a bull barrel varmint rifle but will remind you of that forgotten part of hunting with your Crosman.("Really, BB's are less accurate than pellets." "?...!...?..., Uh..?")
You have a pump with PCP power.
FX Indy.
http://www.fxairguns.com/rifle/the-indy/ (http://www.fxairguns.com/rifle/the-indy/)
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It would be nice if somebody built a pump that had PCP power, especially a pistol. Even your old Crosman 760 was only 7 ftlbs and less if it was the Canadian model. I had one as well, I'd be a better shot today if it were an accurate rifle.
I guess the thought of building a four stage pump into the gun is too much, especially since the get more for the pump than the rifle...hard to believe a PCP cost more than a springer, it has half the parts, and except for the barrel, none of them difficult or expensive to manufacture.(To build a spring gun they have to buy the tools to drill a deep straight hole in a block of steel. A pcp can be built in your basement with a Dremel too and some Home Depot pipe fittings.)
Got a Hatsan 125 Sniper .25cal that I really don't like. It weighs as much as a bull barrel varmint rifle but will remind you of that forgotten part of hunting with your Crosman.("Really, BB's are less accurate than pellets." "?...!...?..., Uh..?")
You have a pump with PCP power.
FX Indy.
http://www.fxairguns.com/rifle/the-indy/ (http://www.fxairguns.com/rifle/the-indy/)
I like that FX indy, WOW 2 shot 16 pumps and a magazine. Pretty nice pump gun. Have you shot one?
I might have to add that to my list.
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I'm new here and don't know how to use that quote thing myself.
WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY! was "Hah ha! The Indy has a fill pressure rating, that's why it shoots frogs more faster dan my bb gun.".....But! I shot a big old water moccasin the other day. Broke it's back, first shot, while it was swimming. So there! ;D
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Thanks for all the suggestions on guns. I finally pulled the trigger on my next gun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q5yd5hjt-4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q5yd5hjt-4)
looks to be a fun shooter.
Still in the market for a pump as well. probably a benjamin or that crosman pistol
New Lever Action Walther turned into a lemon clips eater.
Less than 1 CO2 tank and it broke the tooth off all 5 new clips
(http://puu.sh/uZAvv/5ef46139ba.jpg)
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I'd send it back and get a Hammerli 850. Or a Crosman 2400kt.
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I'd send it back and get a Hammerli 850. Or a Crosman 2400kt.
Both of those guns might be a better for Co2. But the Walther Lever is all about the lever action and look of an old western gun. Its a fun gun to plink with. But for sure if the next one is a clip eater I will look into the crossman or the Hammerli.