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Airguns by Make and Model => Vintage Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: Yng@hrt on February 07, 2017, 10:06:50 PM
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IIRC I mentioned somewhere that the Daisy 880 was as far as I intended to go with this hobby. How times have changed. The pellet bug bit & bit hard.
I’m knocking on the door at 60 & have never once considered a pellet launcher. Here in NM it’s something folks don’t talk about much or maybe they’ve kept it to themselves. Not exactly the manly thing to do back in the day; the bigger the better I always said & if it weren’t drawing blood at the shoulder, time to trade him in; touting those beasts up & down & back up again, only to have them thank you with punch or two, & an all day; Huh, huh, huh? At my age “manly” can go… well you know. What I will say is that I’ve missed the hunt. This is what drove me to GTA. The word love is hard for me to use when it comes to material things. Let’s just say the 880 opened up a whole new world & will always be at the top of my list, even though she is so dad gum sensitive.
I did tons of research to find the next & FINAL pellet launchers. I learn quickly & at my age that’s more of a necessity than a gift. Everywhere I searched led me to a Dan. GTA has been a huge help! Not once did anyone have anything negative to say about this model. I also leaned on a couple of folks pretty hard; Bill (avator) & Billy (Flint). What amazes me most is that neither one of these gentlemen has a clue who Marty is but still bent over backwards to help out & made sure I was pointed due North.
Which brings me to 19SHERIDAN57 (Thanks Bill & many others!) As with anything else, no matter what folks say I do my own research & reach my own conclusions. Again, just like the search for the gun, not once did I come across anything negative with respect to Steve. Everything was positive. I found that out first hand. At this day & age integrity is a tough label to wear but with Steve, it’s a given (get-n pretty thick ha?). This Dan guru doesn’t have a clue who I am. I sent him tons of email-? & he answered every one as quick as these old fingers could dish them out; everything that has been said about Steve…divvy it up by 10. He is without question the go-to-guy for Dan’s. Thanks Steve!
I have never even held a Dan until yesterday. I looked at a rough ’73 at a local gun store. Nice wood/stock but the bluing was about 50 percent gone. I don’t think she’ll be going anywhere soon so she might be a good candidate for a “Copper”. Was very surprised how narrow, short, & light she was, & the balance was incredible.
At any rate here’s our first two;
I’ve noticed some folks name their guns so allow me to introduce the first one; “Val” (after my wife of...just a minute, leme go check…that’s what I thought…37 yrs). I thought of a few other names as well; “S Quad” (as in; Sheridan Silver Streak Survivor). “$ Quad” (self explanatory), “holy ^^it” (as in; what am I going to tell my wife?), & my favorite standby; “Missy PP”. In all seriousness, I think I found something special & at a fair price. I feel very fortunate & couldn’t be more pleased.
She’s a Silver Streak with a factory Williams. I purchased her from a nephew of the original owner who BTW was a pleasure to work with. She was born Sept. of ’69; still in her birthday suit, never been apart & just about as mint as they come. Complete with her original box & original owners manual. Never thought old card board could look so good.
Our second Dan is an outstanding example of; dang I can use that thing. It’s a beautiful ’75 Blue Steak survivor. The wood is what attracted me to her, plus there is no question she has been pampered. I haven’t given her a name yet because it isn’t mine. My oldest son made sure of that. On the plus side, all of them will live at Dad’s house so I’ll sneak her out a time or two.
Here’s a sneak peak. Just closed the deals today. Will post more pix once they arrive.
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WOW ! WHAT A NICE PAIR OF ACES THAT YOU HAVE !!! . My Best Wishes - Tom
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You're an animal !!!
Congrats !
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Congrats man 👍
I was recently told by another member that my persistent praise and love of my blue streak may have been the final straw that pushed them into getting themselves a Sheridan, and that really made me happy.
BTW a lot of people shoit jsb pellets in their Dan's, but my gun likes the Benjamin brand pellets enough that I haven't bothered to try anything else. You may not get this lucky, but I consider them the first place to start.
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Nice score Marty. Those 2 gems as your firsts. Can't get more lucky than that. Can't wait to see some updates when they arrive.
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Thanks Tom, Bill & David (I'd recognize those pooch's anywhere), Rob (think their both headed out West today).
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Thank you for the nice comments. I am glad that myself, & others on this great site, were able to help you.
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Outstanding Marty!
Those sure are some good lookers Nice of your oldest the leave the Blue to keep ol Silver Val company!
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You r welcome Steve (neat pic of shorty).
Scott- Thanx. BTW; I've enjoyed following your thread "Well... I did it... 'Dan HERE!" Amazing results. Thanks for sharing.
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Model designation for a Silver streak Factory gun fitted with a Williams 5DSH peep is a CW. The CW and CBW(blue with 5DSH)hand gaurds are slightly longer so to mask the set points of the factory open sight on models made before the Rear Sight on wedges versions.
You could buy a CBW or CW straight from Sheridan and you would never have any issues with solder joint separation of barrel & Tube.
The factory rear sight fitted to wedges is the culprit. Anyone with a sight on wedges should knock it off, stretch it out and fit it with much less stress to the solder joint. If there has already been a separation I glue the rear sight in place rather than fit it to the wedges and give the solder joint the chance to fail again.
Factory weaknesses besides the solder joint would be the Front Die Cast Plug that cannot avoid eroding each time a pin is driven. Upgrading the plug to the Mac1 Steel front plug gives it a pin hole that cannot be eroded regardless of the number of front end services.
Picture shows a steel front plug and the Round Vise that holds the tube when pins are driven.
TimmyMac1
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^ One of the (if not THE) local experts on these old Beauties...
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I've heard a little more, behind the scenes, about this Silver... Ya'll wait til you see this beauty.
Hey guys, should we tell Marty about the Super Grade A or should we let him keep some of his money?
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SHA-WING! 8)
I saw one for sale on Gunbroker... :-X
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I've heard a little more, behind the scenes, about this Silver... Ya'll wait til you see this beauty.
Hey guys, should we tell Marty about the Super Grade A or should we let him keep some of his money?
Yup; http://ujays.net/registry.html (http://ujays.net/registry.html)
What about double-O 20 on this same registry? Wonder who owns that beauty? ;)
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Hey Marty,
Just in case you don't have it, here is a link to a free .PDF download of Sheridan's service manual covering all the models.
http://ujays.net/repair-manual-v4.3.pdf (http://ujays.net/repair-manual-v4.3.pdf)
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SHA-WING! 8)
I saw one for sale on Gunbroker... :-X
and ummm , it is not on there, now .
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SHA-WING! 8)
I saw one for sale on Gunbroker... :-X
and ummm , it is not on there, now .
;D
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Hey Marty,
Just in case you don't have it, here is a link to a free .PDF download of Sheridan's service manual covering all the models.
http://ujays.net/repair-manual-v4.3.pdf (http://ujays.net/repair-manual-v4.3.pdf)
Good info Scott. Filed it. Thanx
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Model designation for a Silver streak Factory gun fitted with a Williams 5DSH peep is a CW. The CW and CBW(blue with 5DSH)hand gaurds are slightly longer so to mask the set points of the factory open sight on models made before the Rear Sight on wedges versions.
You could buy a CBW or CW straight from Sheridan and you would never have any issues with solder joint separation of barrel & Tube.
The factory rear sight fitted to wedges is the culprit. Anyone with a sight on wedges should knock it off, stretch it out and fit it with much less stress to the solder joint. If there has already been a separation I glue the rear sight in place rather than fit it to the wedges and give the solder joint the chance to fail again.
Factory weaknesses besides the solder joint would be the Front Die Cast Plug that cannot avoid eroding each time a pin is driven. Upgrading the plug to the Mac1 Steel front plug gives it a pin hole that cannot be eroded regardless of the number of front end services.
Picture shows a steel front plug and the Round Vise that holds the tube when pins are driven.
TimmyMac1
Good info. Something interesting to check once she gets here. But that photo...ouch.
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SHA-WING! 8)
I saw one for sale on Gunbroker... :-X
and ummm , it is not on there, now .
;D
Oh no you didn't !! ??
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SHA-WING! 8)
I saw one for sale on Gunbroker... :-X
and ummm , it is not on there, now .
;D
Oh no you didn't !! ??
Better put this fire out quick. Couldn't resist partner ;)
Anyone know what it went for?
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Nope, that's one site that webblocker has me blocked from at work.. I think Betty Lou is behind that.
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Checked USPS & both Val & Blue will be here Friday or Saturday.
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I didn't name my Sheridan
It is a C series
For
CANNON
just
say'n
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Hmmm.
Female or male
Cher.... or Dan...
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Listening to all this talk about names, I've decided to hang on to Blue. My son is going to have to look for another. I've decided to call him, that's right, him; "Malone". ;)
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Listening to all this talk about names, I've decided to hang on to Blue. My son is going to have to look for another. I've decided to call him, that's right, him; "Malone". ;)
Malone??? Like the Mailman?
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Nope. Don't ask me why...but as in; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh1m0eC1004 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh1m0eC1004)
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No explanation needed here..
I was born in '56 about 50 miles Northeast of Cleveland, Ohio. Burned out steel and rubber town called Ashtabula right on the lake. My dad was very much a man of the world. Wasted talents beyond imagination. Never saw anything he couldn't do. Master carpenter to country music lyric writer. Played Banjo, all types guitars and mouth harp (harmonica). He had a half moon shaped dual cord harmonica that he could play lead and rhythm on at the same time. He was country to the bone. My oldest brother went to Vietnam and spent the late '60s there. I went to the streets. Hard rock and roll and everything that went along with it. And I stayed with that well into my '40s. Altho it wasn't "cool" and I didn't tell anyone, country ran through my veins. I grew finally grew up in my late 40's. I graduated high school in 2006 at 50 years old. Yeah, I'm a slow learner. I'm just about all country now and songs like that one are my favorites. Story telling ballads. I don't think I've ever heard that one but you can bet I'll hear it more now. Oh and BTW... Blue Streaks are males and Silvers are females... just for the record.
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I think many of us baby boomers have been down that road; first hard rock & eventually western. Comes with age I guess. Body slows down & country seems to fit just about right. I think a lot of us can relate to Private Malone. Those were some tough times.
Your father must have been an amazing man. But what amazes me most was your education. I was born in ’57. Not sure I would have had the drive & determination to get it done like you did. Hats off to you my friend!
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Lots of uncompleted things back there that nothing can be done about... That was one I could.
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Sorry. Hate to Rock the Boat but I was born in '62... just a Pup compared to you gents I know.
But as a Kid I had Merle Hagert, Hank Williams, Conway Twitty and Roy-N-Buck shoved down my throat every stinking morning before school.
I am a Rock and Roller and always will be! Doc said if I didn't change my life style I would not see 25... HA! LIAR.... Kept it up 'till I was 35... showed him, :o
Now today, there are even a few new bands that still have the faith.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMDq4CGckW4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMDq4CGckW4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le-3MIBxQTw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le-3MIBxQTw)
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Not sure if it's that or the 300 mag that causes me to go; hah... every time my wife talks. ;)
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Sorry. Hate to Rock the Boat but I was born in '62... just a Pup compared to you gents I know.
But as a Kid I had Merle Hagert, Hank Williams, Conway Twitty and Roy-N-Buck shoved down my throat every stinking morning before school.
I am a Rock and Roller and always will be! Doc said if I didn't change my life style I would not see 25... HA! LIAR.... Kept it up 'till I was 35... showed him, :o
Now today, there are even a few new bands that still have the faith.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMDq4CGckW4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMDq4CGckW4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le-3MIBxQTw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le-3MIBxQTw)
Scott,
I discover all of my new music on YouTube these days. Those two links were excellent, I don't know how they got past me. My tastes are so eclectic, there's no pigeon-holing what I like. Here's one for you. It sounds like a soundtrack from a Quentin Tarantino movie, or a spaghetti western. (Actually, these guys are a bunch of neohippies from Oklahoma.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs-CopiCz4k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs-CopiCz4k)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs-CopiCz4k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs-CopiCz4k)
Very cool. and You are right, Spaghetti Western
Kind reminds me Jim Morrison's voice.
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Both rifles arrived in Albuquerque last night around 11:00. Even though they’re only 15 minutes away, they won’t arrive until latter on this evening. Feel like a kid on Christmas Eve.
Amazing, they’ve traveled around 1400 & 2000 miles in two days.
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pics... pics... pics... pics...
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GTA, what can be said about the founders that built this great site & those whom continue to offer their expertise? This is an incredible service you folks have done to preserve an industry that is under constant attack. I thank you, and to barrow a quote from Woodrow;"H^ll of a Vision”!!!
I'm bushed. I'll post pix of Val tomorrow.
Here’s “Malone”… a 2 owner survivor.
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...last 3
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Really not a bad place to carve your name. I'm not saying it should be done. But, if...you know it's gonna be yours forever, which that owner didn't, it's not a bad place.
Get that rear sight off. Looks like it may have been attempted or removed and put back on at some point.
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Really not a bad place to carve your name. I'm not saying it should be done. But, if...you know it's gonna be yours forever, which that owner didn't, it's not a bad place.
Get that rear sight off. Looks like it may have been attempted or removed and put back on at some point.
Can you be more specific about what you are referring to with regards to the rear sight? Maybe a pic that shows the difference? Or maybe explain what you notice on this one that isn't correct?
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On the pic of the rear sight you can see the sight is moved off/forward of the wedges slightly. From factory it would be flush with each other. The rear sights are notorious to causing barrel separation. The legs on the sight are forcing those wedges into the soldered joint. Which can and does cause the tube to start being pried off the tube. You can remove and relieve the clamping force of the rear sight. Than reattach to rifle.
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Okay. I'll take a look at it.
Thanks Rob.
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Decided to give "Val" her own thread; http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=121824.new#new (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=121824.new#new)
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On the pic of the rear sight you can see the sight is moved off/forward of the wedges slightly. From factory it would be flush with each other. The rear sights are notorious to causing barrel separation. The legs on the sight are forcing those wedges into the soldered joint. Which can and does cause the tube to start being pried off the tube. You can remove and relieve the clamping force of the rear sight. Than reattach to rifle.
Mind you, this is not the case with all Sheridans. If it were all would have separations. None of mine have separation and trust, I'm just not that lucky. Have a look at the functions of a Sheridan... especially one that gets pumped to the max or over pumped repeatedly. Unless you're the original owner you just dont' know. Holding the gun by the wrist of the stock and pumping 6,7,8 or even more stresses all kinds of places.... even the solder. I would think over pumping in general is more likely to stress closer to the front end of the gun. Some original Dans came with the handguard suggesting the recommended position to grip the gun when pumping. Just seems to me that any separation caused by the rear sight of a gun that has been properly used would have happened when the sight was originally installed. Also, solder don't adhere good to "dirty" surfaces, hence flux. I work in a mass production environment and things do get past QC. Lots of variables.
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My observation has been guns left in a place where the temp swings are major are most at risk. Factors adding to the separation would be strength of the original joint and the tightness of the rear sight. The lead in stained glass windows needs redoing every 75-80 years because lead fractures and flows over time depending on the stresses it sees.
I would always pull it off and stretch it so it is only tight enough to stay in place. You don't know how tight it is on until you try to get it off.
Solder joints are less structurally solid the bigger the gap is the solder is taking up. Tube and barrel butted up perfect being less likely to fail.
I also noticed that all the joints I need to REDO seem to have far too much solder used which makes me think they were not done well in the first place. When I clamp them with solder flowing they squirt the excess out. Many tube and barrels were not touching. The jig that held the parts when they were induction welded was not set-up correctly when the parts do not mate well.
At the end of the day it was the second dumbest thing Sheridan EVER did when they designed that rear sight. The 6 screw scope mount they made was the dumbest thing they ever did because it also separated the barrel from tube by all the mount screws terminating in the solder joint. They should have learned. It happens after 25-30 years. Faith won't keep it from happening.
Ray Katt used the "over pumped line" regularly to the Solder joint failures. I sent him a separated model F CO2 rifle with a note "someone must of overpumped this one too".
I think when you have a gun with a bad joint, tight sight & lots of heat cycles it does not have a chance. If you have two of the three above you will eventually need Dr JB or TimmyMac1.
The sight was A STUPID DESIGN and Crosman could care less. The factory parts time out way before most joint failures.
It really is only a problem for the folks who want stuff to last for decades, like it can. That would be my customers.
I'd use the JB to glue the rear sigh on so you don't ever need to use it for the joint!
Wait. I solder these things. Forget what I said. Take the sight off and bend it tighter and refit. What was I thinking?
TimmyMac1