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Title: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Tweeter on January 21, 2017, 11:13:20 AM
I stole this idea (and target) from another forum so I hope they don't get mad at me.  But why can't we join in on the fun?  Ok, the goal is to shoot a five shot group on each of the dime sized targets.  Any shot that completely misses the dime counts as a miss.  I tried it today with my mutant and boy I'll tell you it isn't as easy as it looks.  Dime sized groups maybe but it's a lot harder to put them groups exactly where you want especially in the slightest breeze.

I shot this with my mutant and I'm actually impressed (more with the gun than myself  ::))  I took all these shots on a 210 bar fill and clearly I should have refilled towards the end or started with a higher fill pressure.  Anyway here are my results.  I think I missed completely 13 times  :-[.  My target backboard is so beat up that I can't get targets to lay flat so each shot tears the paper a little.  My printer was running out of ink so the target is light and none of the black ink showed up....

Link to the target made by Oldspook:  http://www.oldspooks.com/agstuff/Ten-dimes-challenge.pdf (http://www.oldspooks.com/agstuff/Ten-dimes-challenge.pdf)
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Redleg on January 21, 2017, 11:52:13 AM
Tweeter.  I really like this idea since I punch a lot of paper in the back yard.

But, my max range out there is about 35 yards.  I know that will be a real challenge for me.  When the weather breaks, I'll give it a try with my 397 and Discovery.

A good challenge.
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: amb5500c on January 21, 2017, 12:18:55 PM
If you look around a little, you can find those targets and plenty more right here on the GTA.
Richard
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: anti-squirrel on January 21, 2017, 01:01:46 PM
I've have to scale it down to use my trap.  I can send stuff a long ways off into the woods, but the only gun I have a scope mounted to is my pistol.... plus there's the underbrush.
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: bReTt on January 21, 2017, 02:05:03 PM
looks like a fun one to give a shot!  Get it, give a shot.... 

Thanks for the heads up.  Not sure when I will have the time to get out and try it but if and when I do, I'll post here. 
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: ezman604 on January 21, 2017, 02:29:57 PM
Ten dime challenge target right here.

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=92130.msg863210#msg863210 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=92130.msg863210#msg863210)

I got lots of targets to share if anyone needs interesting stuff to punch holes in.
LOL
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Tweeter on January 21, 2017, 02:40:15 PM
Thanks Dave, I like that $3.50 target.  Now I just need some more ink.
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Tweeter on January 21, 2017, 02:42:44 PM
My bad, I didn't know there was already a dime challenge on here.
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Scalf on January 21, 2017, 02:48:28 PM
This is my first attempt.  RAW HM 1000X ,25 cal,25.39 JSBs @ approximately  895fps.
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Tweeter on January 21, 2017, 02:53:00 PM
Nice Marvin!  Good idea drawing a smaller point of aim on each, that helps I would imagine.
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Scalf on January 21, 2017, 03:21:56 PM
The aimpoint didn't  show up very good but may have helped some. Might try again latter after i get the air tank I ordered. Pumping kinda not worthy.
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: wolverine on January 21, 2017, 07:09:38 PM
well tweeter i would be ecstatic with a 50yd grouping like that.  nice shooting!

none of my rifles are that powerful, but i'd give a 25yd target a try ;)
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Tweeter on January 21, 2017, 07:14:59 PM
Thanks Carl!  Give it a go at whatever distance works for you, just have fun doing it!!   ;)
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Tweeter on January 21, 2017, 07:20:12 PM
I think the next relatively wind-free day we have I'm going to try it at 75 yards but only 3 shot groups.  I'll be happy if I hit each dime once!
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: DOUGER on January 21, 2017, 09:37:29 PM
I WASOUT TODAY WITH MY CRICKET AT 45 YARDS HOPE TATERPOST MY SHOTS  IT WAS WINDY AND JUST REALLY GETTING USE TO THE GUN. ITS A TACK DRIVER I THINK
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: DOUGER on January 21, 2017, 09:39:23 PM
well tweeter i would be ecstatic with a 50yd grouping like that.  nice shooting!

none of my rifles are that powerful, but i'd give a 25yd target a try ;)
  O COME ON I KNOW THAT THING CAN GO 45
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: sixshootertexan on January 21, 2017, 09:51:52 PM
Come spring I'll be running the 50yd target matches in the Shooting Match Gate. Please join in and have some fun.

Here's the last match we had.

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=117473.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=117473.0)
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: thelast88 on January 22, 2017, 04:26:34 AM
Friends and I are using this target, just print it on the paper and try, it's simple and challenging. We shoot them at 20, 30 and 40 meters (22, 33, 44y), from any position.

Here is some of my results, HW100 .177 @12fpe, 22y: 2700/3000 points
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/960x720q90/r/633/kIggp4.jpg)

And same gun, but 33y:  1810/3000 points
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/960x720q90/r/905/srBulv.jpg)

Obviously, at that time, barrel needs some cleaning...   :D


EDIT: Here is the target in better resolution, its more that 300kb limit.
https://s20.postimg.org/iiqq5ix8d/test_target.jpg (https://s20.postimg.org/iiqq5ix8d/test_target.jpg)
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on January 22, 2017, 10:13:35 AM
DEz... Isn't that only $3.00?  :o
Maybe you're counting the paper and ink?

Here is my current favorite. I took the 50 dot target from here and colored in each bull to solid black instead of an outline... easier for me to see with a Peep / blade sight... but I ain't shootin 50 yards!!

Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Tweeter on January 22, 2017, 10:19:10 AM
DEz... Isn't that only $3.00?  :o
Maybe you're counting the paper and ink?

We've been short changed!!!  Lol
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Real Time Recon on January 22, 2017, 10:23:09 AM
Yesterday with a springer and open sights .I hit a cigarette pack at 70 yds. with the 1st shot. ;D Does that count ?
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: ezman604 on January 22, 2017, 12:24:08 PM
Thanks Dave, I like that $3.50 target.  Now I just need some more ink.

Oh MAN...somebody stole  fitty cent from the target.
 :o
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Tater on January 22, 2017, 03:05:13 PM
Posting this for Douger.


          http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=media;sa=media;in=3768;preview (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=media;sa=media;in=3768;preview)
(http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action-media;sa=media;in=3768;preview)
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Smoketown on January 22, 2017, 03:22:53 PM
DEz... Isn't that only $3.00?  :o
Maybe you're counting the paper and ink?

We've been short changed!!!  Lol

That's them exorbitant "moderator administration fees" he tacked on ... ;)

Cheers,
Smoketown
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: keech1642 on January 22, 2017, 03:48:53 PM
I love this kind of shooting. Just started pcp, last summer with the maxius in .22 cost big factor to see if I wanted to stay with PCP. Wondering well I know I am going to move up in quality. Question does .25 give you that much more of an edge at 50yds. 22 or 25 target shooting only with every thing being the same, wind and all. Thanks for your thoughts, maybe this post does not belong on this page.
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Tweeter on January 22, 2017, 03:56:42 PM
I've never actually owned a .25 pcp just .22 but if you ask me I don't think a .25 would gain me any more accuracy at 50 yards than I get now.  I think for longer ranges like 75+ yards people like the bigger calibers because they buck the wind better.  If most of your shooting is 50 yards or less a .22 will do ya just fine IMO heck even a .177 would do the trick.
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Tweeter on January 22, 2017, 04:40:37 PM
Here is my attempt at 75 yards lol.  The wind was between 5 and 10mph.   I shot at each target only twice so I didn't have to reload my magazines (it was cold out)!
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Scalf on January 23, 2017, 02:28:29 PM
Shooting in the wind is tough at my house .  The wind has so many things to blow around is goes every direction. Switches directions every few seconds.
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Mrturbo458 on January 24, 2017, 11:31:06 PM
Not bad at 50 yards! Good shooting!  I may have to give it a shot!
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Diggity95 on January 25, 2017, 11:13:23 PM
I stole this idea (and target) from another forum so I hope they don't get mad at me.  But why can't we join in on the fun?

Link to the target made by Oldspook:  http://www.oldspooks.com/agstuff/Ten-dimes-challenge.pdf (http://www.oldspooks.com/agstuff/Ten-dimes-challenge.pdf)

Hahaha, I think that was the thread that I started. What a fun shooting challenge! I'm glad to see there was enough interest to get it started here. Under the circumstances I think it's only fitting that I post the target that I shot  ;D

I love this idea and think it's an exceptional way to display a guns capabilities. Some people shoot groups, myself included, and lots of people just cherry pick their groups, which kind of a small pet peeve of mine. You don't get to see multiple groups over a bunch of shots in a row which is where I think the more pertinent data lies.

I wish everyone would do this particular challenge and post their results so that over time we could really get a good idea of which guns in which price ranges shoot more consistently/accurately than others.

Anyway, here is my first attempt. I'm going to try again tomorrow morning, weather provided.

FX Royale 500. .25, JSB King 25 grains. Other than the snow, pretty optimal conditions regarding the wind.

I put spray adhesive on a piece of cardboard to attach the target to so that I get more clean holes and fewer tears.

(https://s20.postimg.org/thr79aj8t/20170119_082923.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/py59jhgix/)screen shot (https://postimage.org/app.php)

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Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Mrturbo458 on January 25, 2017, 11:16:16 PM
All sniper like out the window, like a boss! Good shooting!
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Diggity95 on January 25, 2017, 11:44:17 PM
All sniper like out the window, like a boss! Good shooting!

haha thank you! Keeps me warm in the winter! Sometimes it's also nice in the spring during black fly season when it gets a little unbearable outside.
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Mrturbo458 on January 25, 2017, 11:46:25 PM
All sniper like out the window, like a boss! Good shooting!

haha thank you! Keeps me warm in the winter! Sometimes it's also nice in the spring during black fly season when it gets a little unbearable outside.

Wish I had 100 yards indoor lol 13 yards in the basement gets old quick lol
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Diggity95 on January 25, 2017, 11:50:16 PM
This is my first attempt.  RAW HM 1000X ,25 cal,25.39 JSBs @ approximately  895fps.

Great shootin Scalf! I really liked the RAW 1000x I had but I wasn't able to get it to shoot quite as good as yours. Thanks for posting your results!!

Cliff
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: bReTt on January 26, 2017, 12:01:00 AM
I stole this idea (and target) from another forum so I hope they don't get mad at me.  But why can't we join in on the fun?

Link to the target made by Oldspook:  http://www.oldspooks.com/agstuff/Ten-dimes-challenge.pdf (http://www.oldspooks.com/agstuff/Ten-dimes-challenge.pdf)

Hahaha, I think that was the thread that I started. What a fun shooting challenge! I'm glad to see there was enough interest to get it started here. Under the circumstances I think it's only fitting that I post the target that I shot  ;D

I love this idea and think it's an exceptional way to display a guns capabilities. Some people shoot groups, myself included, and lots of people just cherry pick their groups, which kind of a small pet peeve of mine. You don't get to see multiple groups over a bunch of shots in a row which is where I think the more pertinent data lies.

I wish everyone would do this particular challenge and post their results so that over time we could really get a good idea of which guns in which price ranges shoot more consistently/accurately than others.

Anyway, here is my first attempt. I'm going to try again tomorrow morning, weather provided.

FX Royale 500. .25, JSB King 25 grains. Other than the snow, pretty optimal conditions regarding the wind.

I put spray adhesive on a piece of cardboard to attach the target to so that I get more clean holes and fewer tears.

(https://s20.postimg.org/thr79aj8t/20170119_082923.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/py59jhgix/)screen shot (https://postimage.org/app.php)

(https://s20.postimg.org/tp9s8onvx/20170119_081635.jpg) (https://postimage.org)print screen (https://postimage.org/app.php)

(https://s20.postimg.org/ne9mpdsz1/20170119_082136.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/4yp5rzeuh/)image hosting free (https://postimage.org/)
I would be so excited if I could get my 400 to group like that.  I just got it so I am trying to get it figured out.   Today I went out and was going to give this target a try.  I started with 16 gr JSB on the sighter and they weren't doing so well.  I changed over to the 18 gr JSBs and sent 3 in a row into almost the same hole!  Then it started throwing them 2 mils high.... what?  Then I couldn't hit anything except the paper but definately NOT the dimes.....  bummer.    I pulled out my HW95 .177 and put 3 pellets in the same hole, literally the same hole and two just off to the side, all within a dime, no warm up shots or anything.   That rifle NEVER dissappoints. 

It was suggested that I use some JB bore paste on the FX barrel.  Any other ideas to look at?  I still haven't had time to put any pellets over the chronograph.  I will do that as soon as I can and give the barrel a cleaning. 

The targets are looking good there fellas!  I hope to join in soon.  I may just grab the 95 and go with that one since it seems to be the best one for the job!  So much for spending big $$$ for big dissapointments!  ha ha
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Diggity95 on January 26, 2017, 12:19:27 AM
I would be so excited if I could get my 400 to group like that.  I just got it so I am trying to get it figured out.   Today I went out and was going to give this target a try.  I started with 16 gr JSB on the sighter and they weren't doing so well.  I changed over to the 18 gr JSBs and sent 3 in a row into almost the same hole!  Then it started throwing them 2 mils high.... what?  Then I couldn't hit anything except the paper but definately NOT the dimes.....  bummer.    I pulled out my HW95 .177 and put 3 pellets in the same hole, literally the same hole and two just off to the side, all within a dime, no warm up shots or anything.   That rifle NEVER dissappoints. 

It was suggested that I use some JB bore paste on the FX barrel.  Any other ideas to look at?  I still haven't had time to put any pellets over the chronograph.  I will do that as soon as I can and give the barrel a cleaning. 

The targets are looking good there fellas!  I hope to join in soon.  I may just grab the 95 and go with that one since it seems to be the best one for the job!  So much for spending big $$$ for big dissapointments!  ha ha

Sorry to hear about the woes Brett. I would:

1) Definitely give the barrel a polishing with a nylon bore brush and some JB Paste. I've used it in both of my Royale's and they've shot lights out. I think I even used a brass brush on my first Royale with no ill effects.

2) Make sure your scope is tight, maybe try a different scope also.

3) Check and make sure your stock screw is tight.

4) Check the shroud for clipping issues. Heating the base of the shroud with a propane torch will loosen the lock tite for easy unscrewing/removal without hurting the finish. I did this to both of mine. This also makes cleaning the barrel a LOT easier.

5) Shoot the gun over a chrony. Each barrel is different and will prefer pellets to be shot at different speeds out of them. Generally speaking if you're shooting too fast, most barrels don't like that. I keep mine down to about 890 fps. Ted won Extreme Benchrest shooting at 830 fps. Also if you watch his Impact review from about a year ago, he shows his first several groups were all over the place until he started adjusting the speeds.

6) Try different pellets, don't just rely on the JSB's.

The Royale's are among the most accurate, consistent guns I've ever shot. I'm sure there is a shooter in yours as well. Worst case scenario, send it back to the retailer and let them have a go at it before abandoning all hope. The extra effort might lead to one of the best guns you've ever had. 3 in the same hole, then 2 mils high sounds to me like something is off and when you find it I think you're going to be pretty happy.

Good luck!!
All the best,
Cliff
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Sfttailrdr46 on January 26, 2017, 12:27:52 AM
 :( Waiting for the backyard to dry right now to wet and muddy to set up my 25 yard targets, also cold and windy but IDK about windy when shooting just cold wet weather stinks at my age it makes my hands hurt
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: bReTt on January 26, 2017, 12:59:01 AM
I would be so excited if I could get my 400 to group like that.  I just got it so I am trying to get it figured out.   Today I went out and was going to give this target a try.  I started with 16 gr JSB on the sighter and they weren't doing so well.  I changed over to the 18 gr JSBs and sent 3 in a row into almost the same hole!  Then it started throwing them 2 mils high.... what?  Then I couldn't hit anything except the paper but definately NOT the dimes.....  bummer.    I pulled out my HW95 .177 and put 3 pellets in the same hole, literally the same hole and two just off to the side, all within a dime, no warm up shots or anything.   That rifle NEVER dissappoints. 

It was suggested that I use some JB bore paste on the FX barrel.  Any other ideas to look at?  I still haven't had time to put any pellets over the chronograph.  I will do that as soon as I can and give the barrel a cleaning. 

The targets are looking good there fellas!  I hope to join in soon.  I may just grab the 95 and go with that one since it seems to be the best one for the job!  So much for spending big $$$ for big dissapointments!  ha ha

Sorry to hear about the woes Brett. I would:

1) Definitely give the barrel a polishing with a nylon bore brush and some JB Paste. I've used it in both of my Royale's and they've shot lights out. I think I even used a brass brush on my first Royale with no ill effects.

2) Make sure your scope is tight, maybe try a different scope also.

3) Check and make sure your stock screw is tight.

4) Check the shroud for clipping issues. Heating the base of the shroud with a propane torch will loosen the lock tite for easy unscrewing/removal without hurting the finish. I did this to both of mine. This also makes cleaning the barrel a LOT easier.

5) Shoot the gun over a chrony. Each barrel is different and will prefer pellets to be shot at different speeds out of them. Generally speaking if you're shooting too fast, most barrels don't like that. I keep mine down to about 890 fps. Ted won Extreme Benchrest shooting at 830 fps. Also if you watch his Impact review from about a year ago, he shows his first several groups were all over the place until he started adjusting the speeds.

6) Try different pellets, don't just rely on the JSB's.

The Royale's are among the most accurate, consistent guns I've ever shot. I'm sure there is a shooter in yours as well. Worst case scenario, send it back to the retailer and let them have a go at it before abandoning all hope. The extra effort might lead to one of the best guns you've ever had. 3 in the same hole, then 2 mils high sounds to me like something is off and when you find it I think you're going to be pretty happy.

Good luck!!
All the best,
Cliff

Thanks Cliff for all that input!  I will go about it as time permits.  I sure am hoping that this rifle is a shooter.  I thought that spending that kind of money that I wouldn't have to fiddle with it to get it there.  I was hoping to just pull it out of the box and have it shoot straight.  I'm just impatient I guess.  I think that it will do well.  I am probably painting a picture worse off than it really is.  I am just too particular sometimes for my own good!  ha ha ha!
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: robertr on January 26, 2017, 01:38:29 AM
 Brett, I think you have every right to expect a good shooter out of the box especially when spending that much cash, hopefully it is something you are overlooking and get it figured out soon.
 As far as the challenge, looks like fun, might give it a try.
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Diggity95 on January 26, 2017, 08:28:37 AM
I would be so excited if I could get my 400 to group like that.  I just got it so I am trying to get it figured out.   Today I went out and was going to give this target a try.  I started with 16 gr JSB on the sighter and they weren't doing so well.  I changed over to the 18 gr JSBs and sent 3 in a row into almost the same hole!  Then it started throwing them 2 mils high.... what?  Then I couldn't hit anything except the paper but definately NOT the dimes.....  bummer.    I pulled out my HW95 .177 and put 3 pellets in the same hole, literally the same hole and two just off to the side, all within a dime, no warm up shots or anything.   That rifle NEVER dissappoints. 

It was suggested that I use some JB bore paste on the FX barrel.  Any other ideas to look at?  I still haven't had time to put any pellets over the chronograph.  I will do that as soon as I can and give the barrel a cleaning. 

The targets are looking good there fellas!  I hope to join in soon.  I may just grab the 95 and go with that one since it seems to be the best one for the job!  So much for spending big $$$ for big dissapointments!  ha ha

Sorry to hear about the woes Brett. I would:

1) Definitely give the barrel a polishing with a nylon bore brush and some JB Paste. I've used it in both of my Royale's and they've shot lights out. I think I even used a brass brush on my first Royale with no ill effects.

2) Make sure your scope is tight, maybe try a different scope also.

3) Check and make sure your stock screw is tight.

4) Check the shroud for clipping issues. Heating the base of the shroud with a propane torch will loosen the lock tite for easy unscrewing/removal without hurting the finish. I did this to both of mine. This also makes cleaning the barrel a LOT easier.

5) Shoot the gun over a chrony. Each barrel is different and will prefer pellets to be shot at different speeds out of them. Generally speaking if you're shooting too fast, most barrels don't like that. I keep mine down to about 890 fps. Ted won Extreme Benchrest shooting at 830 fps. Also if you watch his Impact review from about a year ago, he shows his first several groups were all over the place until he started adjusting the speeds.

6) Try different pellets, don't just rely on the JSB's.

The Royale's are among the most accurate, consistent guns I've ever shot. I'm sure there is a shooter in yours as well. Worst case scenario, send it back to the retailer and let them have a go at it before abandoning all hope. The extra effort might lead to one of the best guns you've ever had. 3 in the same hole, then 2 mils high sounds to me like something is off and when you find it I think you're going to be pretty happy.

Good luck!!
All the best,
Cliff

Thanks Cliff for all that input!  I will go about it as time permits.  I sure am hoping that this rifle is a shooter.  I thought that spending that kind of money that I wouldn't have to fiddle with it to get it there.  I was hoping to just pull it out of the box and have it shoot straight.  I'm just impatient I guess.  I think that it will do well.  I am probably painting a picture worse off than it really is.  I am just too particular sometimes for my own good!  ha ha ha!

I agree 100%. 110% even. Spending that kind of cash just to spray pellets sits particularly badly with me. Let me tell you a story. At times, I've thought that I am the unluckiest guy on the planet when it comes to PCP and thought I must be cursed.

I've been through quite a few PCP's, buying and selling over the last few years, most of them "high end". They include 2 Air Arms S 5-10's, 2 Air Arms TX 200 MKIII's, 2 Daystates, a RAW HM1000x, 3 FX's, 2 Crickets, a BSA R-10 MK2, a Benjamin Marauder .25 gen 2, a Hatsan AT44, and a HW 97kt. So that is a total of 14 guns. You know how many of them were shooters right out of the box that I didn't have to either try to fix myself or send back disappointed because of some kind of problem?

Eight of them. Thats right. Six of fourteen guns all had problems or wouldn't shoot worth a &^^&. Can you believe that? of those 8, two of them I bought used, one being a cricket and the other a Hatsan AT-44 that was a refurb. So I only received 4 New guns that had no problems out of the box!!! There have been times when I've felt like stabbing myself in the eye out of frustration. I just love to shoot so much and got a lot of support from folks on the forums that kept me going. Also, thank goodness my first PCP, a Royale 500, was such a laser and I knew from the start just how awesome these PCP's could be when everything is clicking.

So there it is. If anyone here can say they feel your pain, it is me lol. I really hope you get it figured out. It does sound to me like there is something that is just "off" and if you can find it you should have airgun nirvana.

All the best,
Cliff
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Tweeter on January 26, 2017, 08:53:23 AM
Thanks for posting your target Cliff, and great shooting by the way!  I thought you were a member here and actually searched your name but couldn't find you.  I forgot the screen name you used here but I knew I had seen that goat before lol.  I'm tempted to get out the chainsaw and clear a path so I can shoot from inside like that.  I actually can shoot from just inside my backdoor but with the angle I'm at can only get out to 30 yards.
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Diggity95 on January 26, 2017, 10:13:12 AM
Thanks for posting your target Cliff, and great shooting by the way!  I thought you were a member here and actually searched your name but couldn't find you.  I forgot the screen name you used here but I knew I had seen that goat before lol.  I'm tempted to get out the chainsaw and clear a path so I can shoot from inside like that.  I actually can shoot from just inside my backdoor but with the angle I'm at can only get out to 30 yards.

Definitely get out the chainsaw! lol. I'm gonna break mine out soon and widen the path. I can get out to 100 yards but it gets kind of narrow and it's wet out back there. I'm thinking I'll knock down a couple of trees to widen it out and at the same time use the logs from the trees to make some walking ramps so I don't have to get my feet wet walking back there.

Anyway, the weather was great again early this morning, no wind. I got right up and shot two more of the PCP 10 dimes challenges at 50 yards. I was pretty happy with the first card, which appears to have about 4 or 5 misses that didn't touch a "dime". As far as I can tell the second one looks even better and a big smile on my face. Great way to start the day! :-)

All the best,
Cliff

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Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Tweeter on January 26, 2017, 02:13:33 PM
Wow, some more very good shooting Cliff!  That's one heck of a rifle have you stretched her out to 100 yet?  I'm having trouble holding real tight groups past 50 but I think it's me and not the mutant.  Also I could probably use a bit more mag. then 12x but I like the scope so much!  It's so clear!
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Diggity95 on January 27, 2017, 02:49:32 PM
Wow, some more very good shooting Cliff!  That's one heck of a rifle have you stretched her out to 100 yet?  I'm having trouble holding real tight groups past 50 but I think it's me and not the mutant.  Also I could probably use a bit more mag. then 12x but I like the scope so much!  It's so clear!

Thanks Tweeter!! yes I've been out to 100 yards. It groups from about 1.25" to 1.75" with some outliers on each end. I don't get out that far often but I want to spend a little more time practicing further out when the weather gets better. 100 yards is more than twice as hard as 50 yards in my experience.
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: RLB on January 27, 2017, 06:15:51 PM
Not 50 yards, its 143 feet from muzzle to target indoors shooting corner to corner in my studio...   crazy how much more accurate it is indoors vs outside even when it feels like there is absolutely no wind
BSA T10 on a sandbag tethered and regulated form a Guppy tank.... yeah yeah I know thats cheating    ;D     

I dont know the exact distance of the second picture of targets... its around the same but wanted to show the difference in pellets in the BSA, from my friends Marauder the results are the opposite the
coppers are great and the JSBs went all over the place.   

(http://TheSBimage.com/2017/ChronyDec14thSMALL.jpg)
(http://TheSBimage.com/2017/22scorpnew.jpg)
Title: my attempt
Post by: bReTt on January 27, 2017, 08:50:38 PM
Ok, I am working on this 400.  It isn't where I want it but I can see I am getting closer. 

Here is my attempt at shooting dimes.  Very little wind today, just a kiss on the cheek occasionally.  I'm shooting JSB 18 gr 5.53 (didn't know 5.53 until I emptied the tin) at 880 average.  I shot at 16x on the scope. 

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Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Tweeter on January 28, 2017, 08:24:11 AM
Nice shooting guys!  Yes it doesn't take much wind to throw off your shots.  Especially when your trying to hit such a small target at 50 yards.

Cliff, I agree 100 yards for me is about 20 times harder than 50!  Lol   I have more fun shooting spinners at long range than I do paper, but that's only because it's easier for me.   ;D
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Diggity95 on January 28, 2017, 09:24:18 AM
Not 50 yards, its 143 feet from muzzle to target indoors shooting corner to corner in my studio...   crazy how much more accurate it is indoors vs outside even when it feels like there is absolutely no wind
BSA T10 on a sandbag tethered and regulated form a Guppy tank.... yeah yeah I know thats cheating    ;D     

I dont know the exact distance of the second picture of targets... its around the same but wanted to show the difference in pellets in the BSA, from my friends Marauder the results are the opposite the
coppers are great and the JSBs went all over the place.   

(http://TheSBimage.com/2017/ChronyDec14thSMALL.jpg)
(http://TheSBimage.com/2017/22scorpnew.jpg)

RLB, that is some impressive shooting for 143 feet, that's still 47 yards!! Even with shooting inside those are some tiny, very consistent groups! I'd not part with that gun if I were you.  :D


Ok, I am working on this 400.  It isn't where I want it but I can see I am getting closer. 

Here is my attempt at shooting dimes.  Very little wind today, just a kiss on the cheek occasionally.  I'm shooting JSB 18 gr 5.53 (didn't know 5.53 until I emptied the tin) at 880 average.  I shot at 16x on the scope. 

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Brett, that isn't bad at all, shooting outside with a breeze! You'd be shocked at how much even just a gentle wind pushes the pellets at 50 yards. If I'm going to be punching paper I pretty much always do it first thing in the morning, very early when there is basically no wind so that I know for the most part, whatever happens is between myself and the gun. I'm glad you're getting that Royale sorted out. Did you do anything to it to improve your results? Polish the bore, etc.?


Nice shooting guys!  Yes it doesn't take much wind to throw off your shots.  Especially when your trying to hit such a small target at 50 yards.

Cliff, I agree 100 yards for me is about 20 times harder than 50!  Lol   I have more fun shooting spinners at long range than I do paper, but that's only because it's easier for me.   ;D

Tweeter, I think you and I have similar shooting styles, I also have spinners out past 50 yards that I like shooting because it's easier and more fun haha  8)
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Tweeter on January 28, 2017, 09:30:18 AM
I have no idea why but I can hit a 1 1/8" spinner A LOT more consistently than I could ever hit the same size target on paper.  Shooting actual objects is just easier IMO.  No clue why, I don't argue just go with the flow.   ;D
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: bReTt on January 28, 2017, 03:20:31 PM
I cleaned and polished the bore.  I saw immediate improvement but then the groups seemed to start to open up.  I got the chrony out and ran 10 shots across it.  It was shooting 825 average with 30 fps spread and 11 SD.  I lubed the hammer/spring set up and tried adjusting the tension up.  only 3/8 of a turn in to bottom out and only a 2 fps average gain.  I added a spacer to the spring and set it two turns out from all the way in.

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That brought the average up to 885 then 900 then 930 with 18 gr JSBs.  It kept creeping up so I started to adjust the tension from there fiddling with it until I settled at 880 fps and a 19 fps spread and 7 SD.  Not great but better.  It was most consistent numberwise at 917 average, 6 fps spread and 2 SD but it was a scatter gun.  After getting all this dialed in and the groups started getting better, I finished off a tin of pellets.  I opened a new tin and noticed that the head size was 5.53.  I was seeing some promise with 5.52 16 gr so maybe if I can get some 5.52 in the 18s, maybe that will be the ticket!  I may just start using the 16 grains and tune the power to see if I can get better groups with them.  I have one other gun that is finicky on head sizes so this one might be good with standard 5.52.   I know that magic combo of pellet and speed is out there, just got to find it.... 

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Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Tweeter on January 28, 2017, 06:14:18 PM
Nice rifle Brett!   I would love to have one just strictly for bench shooting.  Hope you get it sorted out and shooting like a dream!
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: bReTt on January 28, 2017, 10:52:13 PM
Nice rifle Brett!   I would love to have one just strictly for bench shooting.  Hope you get it sorted out and shooting like a dream!

Thank you.  I hope to be shooting flys with it soon.

I did a little more tweaking with the 400 and then gave the target another shot.  At least the POI stopped wandering around on me.

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff95/Line_man01/IMG_8547_zps6ea1hiiy.jpg) (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/Line_man01/media/IMG_8547_zps6ea1hiiy.jpg.html)

I tried the HW95 .177

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Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Diggity95 on January 29, 2017, 09:32:24 AM
Nice rifle Brett!   I would love to have one just strictly for bench shooting.  Hope you get it sorted out and shooting like a dream!

Thank you.  I hope to be shooting flys with it soon.

I did a little more tweaking with the 400 and then gave the target another shot.  At least the POI stopped wandering around on me.

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff95/Line_man01/IMG_8547_zps6ea1hiiy.jpg) (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/Line_man01/media/IMG_8547_zps6ea1hiiy.jpg.html)

I tried the HW95 .177

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff95/Line_man01/IMG_8548_zpsmhbd4eqi.jpg) (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/Line_man01/media/IMG_8548_zpsmhbd4eqi.jpg.html)

Brett, that is a really good looking first target! Are you shooting at 50 yards there?
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Tweeter on January 29, 2017, 09:51:04 AM
A big improvement over the first target you shot with your Royale, looks like your going in the right direction!
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: bReTt on January 29, 2017, 12:55:19 PM
Yes, both of those targets are at 50 yards.  One was the 400 and the other was HW95
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: nervoustrigger on January 29, 2017, 02:09:24 PM
Not 50 yards, its 143 feet from muzzle to target indoors shooting corner to corner in my studio...   crazy how much more accurate it is indoors vs outside even when it feels like there is absolutely no wind
BSA T10 on a sandbag tethered and regulated form a Guppy tank.... yeah yeah I know thats cheating    ;D     

(http://TheSBimage.com/2017/ChronyDec14thSMALL.jpg)

Wow weeee!  That target is quite a sight to behold.  Superb consistency.  Well done, sir!

One of these days I want to try a long indoor range.  Until then, it's convenient to blame the wind when a shot doesn't land where I wanted ;D
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Scalf on March 19, 2017, 09:44:45 PM
FX 500 10 dime challenge. I have only posted one picture and am not sure i have it right. If picture doesn't show up i will try to figure it out.
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Scalf on March 19, 2017, 09:55:06 PM
I can't figure it out. I will get help tomorrow.
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Scalf on March 19, 2017, 09:56:07 PM
I not sure how i got it posted but there it is.
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: anti-squirrel on March 19, 2017, 10:14:26 PM
I not sure how i got it posted but there it is.
Color me impressed!  Good shooting ya got there.
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Scalf on March 19, 2017, 10:18:59 PM
Anti Squirrel  It might do better if i weighed and sized pellets but that is for another day.
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Tater on March 20, 2017, 04:01:04 AM
Great groups Marvin.
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Tweeter on March 20, 2017, 06:36:41 AM
Great shooting Marvin!  Looks like alot of them groups are around 1/4 ctc, that's impressive!
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Scalf on March 20, 2017, 10:36:49 AM
Thanks for the compliments. The FX 500 shoots pretty good. I suppose i was lucky to get one that shoots so good. I have a RAW 25 cal and the FX out shoots it. Alan Zasandny has it now changing it to 30 cal. It wasn't  consistent for some reason.
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Scalf on April 09, 2017, 02:35:11 PM
Here is my 10 dime challenge.  Had a little wind at times. I had to stop and continue the next day because the wind was blowomg too much. I am not very gopd at doping the wind.
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Scalf on April 09, 2017, 02:38:48 PM
I am obviously not good at spelling either.
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: Tweeter on April 09, 2017, 02:55:45 PM
Wow, great shooting!  I'd be happy with them groups on a windless day!
Title: Re: Pcp 50 yard, 10 dime challenge
Post by: GoneShootn on July 25, 2017, 11:10:32 AM
Yesterday with a springer and open sights .I hit a cigarette pack at 70 yds. with the 1st shot. ;D Does that count ?

Anytime I hit the bullseye on the first shot, I know that bad things are ahead.  :)