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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => European/Asian Air Gun Gates => China/Asian AirGun Gate => Topic started by: GumpIsrael on December 06, 2016, 10:10:46 AM
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After tearing down and tuning my Stoeger X10 a while back, I have realised that I truly love the B19 platform, simple, easy to disassemble and improve.
I've had a RWS 48 and it's not that I was scared to work on it, but it was just so much more complex.
Is my Stoeger hard to shoot? Yeah, but when I'm on I love the feeling. It's not a gun I'd hunt with, but man I love plinking with that thing.
Anybody else enamored with the B19 clones?
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Lol for a while i owned quite a few of them and tbh, once my current stable is all worked over and scoped with scopes i like, i may buy a few more of them up. Cheap, easy to work on, and great guns when youre done.
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Not that I've done much work on mine, but yeah, I like 'em. That why I have an X20S and an ATAC.
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Not quite sure I'd say enamored but my first tune was a Crosman Optimus that was a freebie from a friend so $0 initial investment. Easy to take apart and work on, the new spring it needed and a seal were cheap from Crosman and when I got it finished and it was a nice shooter, I ended up with a jealous friend who wants hos rifle back and can't have it...lol.
The Hatsan Edges/Webley Spectors are put together pretty much the same way with only minor differences and although real nice rifles out of the box for not a lot of money, a couple small tweaks that cost less than $10 (a tube of 100% silicone and some PA pellet foam to fill the hollow stock and a .25 cent screw in the trigger) make them another much better rifle when done.
Funny way to kill time on a rainy day or with the white stuff finally coming a nice winter project.
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I cannot say that I love the B19 platform but it was VERY educational. Fortunately it is a very simple platform to work on and modify.
An added bonus is that it is so well supported by Crosman as well as after market, namely charliedatuna.com.
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I cannot say that I love the B19 platform but it was VERY educational. Fortunately it is a very simple platform to work on and modify.
An added bonus is that it is so well supported by Crosman as well as after market, namely charliedatuna.com.
Yea, if it wasnt for the grt trigger, idk if i would have enjoyed my experience as much lol. All the powerplant tuning in the world wont make a junk trigger rifle fun to shoot
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The trigger in mine is the only shortcoming that my X10 has. I was going to get a GRTIII, but I figured I'd mess around with the rc bearing trick and washer mod first. I've gotten the washer trick down to where the pull is very bearable, but the break is still too stiff for my liking. So I will be adding the bearing tomorrow night.
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There is an alternative aftermarket 2-stage trigger that doesn't require modifying the safety. I'm going to pick one up for the ATAC, and if it works as well as advertised I'll get another for the X20S.
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I think I know what trigger your talking about, Longhair.
I've thought about that one myself, but in the back of my mind, I'm saying, "you could take the easy way out and buy a different trigger... but you like to do things the hard way." lol.
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Do your b19's shoot the first cold shot the same place as the rest?
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I've already gone the route of longer than stock adjusting screws and de-burring/polishing the stock triggers, and it has been a major improvement over factory, but a drop-in for under $35 that doesn't require grinding the safety tang shorter has me curious enough to give it a whirl.
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Do your b19's shoot the first cold shot the same place as the rest?
As of right now, I only have one. I do think that I might get a Titan GP again and then I'll have two. As far as I can tell, yes. If my hold is right, then every shot seems to go within about 1/4" of the last. Disclaimer: I not so good at the artillery hold- instead just try to make my hold the same everytime I pull the trigger.
I'm assuming you mean that your first shot is always somewhere different than the rest?
I've already gone the route of longer than stock adjusting screws and de-burring/polishing the stock triggers, and it has been a major improvement over factory, but a drop-in for under $35 that doesn't require grinding the safety tang shorter has me curious enough to give it a whirl.
I know what you mean. If I can't get the trigger exactly where I want it, I am gonna go for a drop in. I just wanna make all the mistakes I can first. ;)
This thread has got me wondering, does anyone have a B19 clone with a thumbhole stock? If so, how would you say it compares to having a traditional stock?
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GumpIsrael,
Where did you get your roller bearing? I'm having a hard time finding one (5x8x2.5mm), and if I go online they only come in packs of multiples.
If I find some, I might try the 3 mm width. Looks like that might fit, and would have a little less side-to-side play. You could only do that if you got rid of that spring in the middle, though.
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I cut apart a bicycle chain. I'm not sure of the size but it worked great.
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I just found a two-pack on Amazon for $5 and change, Prime qualified, so I didn't have to pay shipping. Can't beat that!
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I fitted a Benjy stock to my 19 .177, which came through a friend in the trade. A couple of small marks on it, but it only cost me 12.5 dollars. Liked it a lot, so he got me another one for the .22 for the same money. Both triggers have been fitted with roller bearings from an old mountain bike chain. I just called into the local bike shop and the owner gave me a length of used chain. The links on these stretch under use, but the bearings don't get worn.
The barrels have been carbined and recrowned. Both fitted with a thing that can't be mentioned. ;)
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lovely carbine... i love mine... i found a quest (remember those?) and lube tuned it to about 820 fps with 7.9 gr pellets... grt trigger and lots of pellets through it. Mine has a small compact leupold on it, also a garage sale find... silly accurate and easy to shoot. The only thing i would like to find to finish the project is a one of those older remington shiny stocks... it came on the older summits...
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GumpIsrael,
Where did you get your roller bearing? I'm having a hard time finding one (5x8x2.5mm), and if I go online they only come in packs of multiples.
If I find some, I might try the 3 mm width. Looks like that might fit, and would have a little less side-to-side play. You could only do that if you got rid of that spring in the middle, though.
I got my bearing at the local hobby shop. I think it was $2.95 for a pack of two. The bearing comes out of rc car axle shafts (I think) and can be found at almost any hobby shop that has serious rc car supplies.
And yes, you have to get rid of that spring. You get rid of it if you drop a GRTIII trigger there. I'm pretty certain it's just a lawyer spring anyways.
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I didn't like mine at first,( B19's), but the more you work n them and learn how to shoot them, the more fun they become. Seeing as the cold air of winter is here, I have put my CO2 guns away for a few months, my B19's, B3's, and my lonely B2 will get a good work out as long as my arthritic arms will cock them LOL. In fact I just ordered another NP Crosman, just to have "something else" to work on Ha ha. With ingenuity the triggers can be made to an acceptable level for all around shooting and field work, but I wouldn't enter any serious matches with them. The only bad part of them is I have 4 of them that shoot real good and I don't have a reason to tear them down yet and fool around with them.
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I cut apart a bicycle chain. I'm not sure of the size but it worked great.
I am curious about using a part from a bicycle chain, is there anyway to explain just how this is used?
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It's the roller bearing mod. The bearing is removed from the bike chain. You can look up the mod on YouTube. Very easy to do.
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Count me in!
I had such good luck with my B18 (Crosman Genesis NP) and the GRT-III mod, I picked up a B19 in the form of a used Quest 1000X.
The original owner was a young man who didn't take good care of it. I picked it up cheap as a gun to learn tuning on, but after good cleaning of surface rust, lubing, and tightening of the screws , she's a good shooter!
So far it seems to like the 10.5gr CPUM's better than the CPHP's. While out to 20yds max it does good with Meisterkugeln 8.2s .... I just got a tin of RWS Superdomes in 8.3 so let's see what happens there.
Currently it isn't wearing a scope, just using it's fiber optic "iron" sights.
Before I got the GRTIII for the Genesis I experimented with a plastic bushing instead of the washer trick minus the Lawyer spring. I am going to try that piece in the Quest next time it comes apart. One of these days I need to get back to the "Big City" and hit up the old Hobby Shop for a bearing. Afraid if I set foot in there the R/C Boat bug will bite me again. NOW THERE'S A RABBIT HOLE... Maybe Amazon is the answer. ;)
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Count me in!
I had such good luck with my B18 (Crosman Genesis NP) and the GRT-III mod, I picked up a B19 in the form of a used Quest 1000X.
The original owner was a young man who didn't take good care of it. I picked it up cheap as a gun to learn tuning on, but after good cleaning of surface rust, lubing, and tightening of the screws , she's a good shooter!
So far it seems to like the 10.5gr CPUM's better than the CPHP's. While out to 20yds max it does good with Meisterkugeln 8.2s .... I just got a tin of RWS Superdomes in 8.3 so let's see what happens there.
Currently it isn't wearing a scope, just using it's fiber optic "iron" sights.
Before I got the GRTIII for the Genesis I experimented with a plastic bushing instead of the washer trick minus the Lawyer spring. I am going to try that piece in the Quest next time it comes apart. One of these days I need to get back to the "Big City" and hit up the old Hobby Shop for a bearing. Afraid if I set foot in there the R/C Boat bug will bite me again. NOW THERE'S A RABBIT HOLE... Maybe Amazon is the answer. ;)
Try ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/4pcs-New-Ball-Bearing-Alloy-for-Traxxas-Slash-Bearing-4x4-Car-5x8x2-5mm-/291956298857?hash=item43f9f39469:g:lHYAAOSwj85YO~V~ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/4pcs-New-Ball-Bearing-Alloy-for-Traxxas-Slash-Bearing-4x4-Car-5x8x2-5mm-/291956298857?hash=item43f9f39469:g:lHYAAOSwj85YO~V~)
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Anybody else enamored with the B19 clones?
I think I am
Have 4 now
SMK XS19
BMK19
BMK27
Hammerli 550
This Hammerli 550 is the last one I got https://youtu.be/JHaqJqp11_w
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The Crosman Vantage NP, which is supposed to be a B19 clone, was my first "real" springer (I had only pumpers before). I bought it about 2 years ago. A bit rough and noisy at first. After a tin of pellets or two, got easier to shoot but still a terrible trigger and a nonsense rear sight, you know, that double green traffic light . Sooo... I first replaced that rear sight with an old full steel and sturdy Baikal one, set on the 11mm dovetail rail. Then I did the ball bearing trick with the trigger. Added something in front of the barrel I won't talk about in this forum I love...
So then, I won't say I'm "in love with the B19 platform" but I got to admit that it's the first time I really enjoy shooting a springer.
Concerning the ball bearing trigger mod : yes, it's a real improvement, but it makes you just realize what's the "balk firing" hazard, while the Crosman 2100 trigger, for example, just doesn't stick when you release it before shooting.
Ah, and "Do your b19's shoot the first cold shot the same place as the rest? " Yep, but sometimes, the last one, as warmed as the rifle can be, unfortunately makes me forget that particularity...
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A year ago I bought an F4 at Walmart and could never get it to shoot well. Did the trigger mod but the real culprit was the washer
the barrel pivots on. Tried to fix it but made things worse so basically consigned the gun to a corner of my cellar.
About three months ago I decided to try airguns again and bought a Vantage NP 22 from PA. My thinking was that Crosman would be out of business if all their guns were as bad as the F4 I had so for $80 I would take a chance. Glad I did-the gun is a tack driver-shoots H&N FTT's into 1/4 inch groups at 18 yds consistently- I keep waiting for the gun to go bad but it doesn't seem to be happening-
The F4 had a kick like a deer rifle-the Vantage just a little tap. I don't know whether I got lucky and got a good one that is the exception or the F4 was the exception .
Looking to get a .177 now and was thinking of going German but the Vantage shoots so well why should I spend the extra money.
I'll get another Vantage. If it shoots well it stays -if it's a dud -back to Pyramid Air for a refund.
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This thread made me go all sentimental and start missing my Titan GP. I think I'll get another for sure after I get me a chrony.
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Paul, my F4 I got from Walmart shoots really accurate. It is the luck of the draw when you by these guns, so far with a few tweeks the ones I have perform well as far as shot placement go. Look on the forum for fixes to the barrel washers there are a lot of them on here. It may just be a need to tighten the bolt down with lock tight to cure the side to side play in the barrel. (Just a tip, hope it helps).
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Paul, my F4 I got from Walmart shoots really accurate. It is the luck of the draw when you by these guns, so far with a few tweeks the ones I have perform well as far as shot placement go. Look on the forum for fixes to the barrel washers there are a lot of them on here. It may just be a need to tighten the bolt down with lock tight to cure the side to side play in the barrel. (Just a tip, hope it helps).
Didn't post with the intent of knocking the F4 as most nitro pistons are pretty much the same gun with different stocks and appreciate your insights.
With my limited mechanical skills the only fix I can do is the trigger mod . Most of them are probably pretty good but occasionally a dud slips thru. Now that I know how a decent one shoots I'll just make sure I buy from a source that won't give me problems with a return if the gun has issues.
Tried to return the F4 but it was purchased in another state and local Walmart told me it had to be returned in the state where purchased which at that time would have been more aggravation than it was worth. Plus I had lost the receipt which didn't help matters. Live and learn.