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Airguns by Make and Model => Beeman Airguns => Topic started by: wll2506 on August 22, 2016, 01:04:32 AM
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My GM just bought a Bulldog for general hunting of predators and hogs. He and I might take a trip to Texas for some fun coming up in a bit.
I have my 257 Condor, 25 Condor ---- but may get a Bulldog also. I have heard from folks that have them that they are a lot of fun to shoot without breaking the bank and without doing lots of mods ------- with the right pill you have plenty of smack for pig hunting for sure.
I would like to know from guys that have them how they feel about the gun. I know that an inch+ or so group at 50-60 yards is what to expect as the gun is made for hunting bigger game .... this is not a squirrel gun for sure.
Just want to get your feelings, his gun comes in on Thursday and I'm just as excited to see it as he is ;- )
wll2506
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the sole negative ive heard is they leak from the factory , slowly , but leak.. they may have fixed that in the last yr , i dont know.But all good reviews across the board
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the sole negative ive heard is they leak from the factory , slowly , but leak.. they may have fixed that in the last yr , i dont know.But all good reviews across the board
Well we will find out this Thursday as that's is when it is due to him. I got to get my ShoeBox compressor running fast :- )
wll2506
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Will I own a Bulldog. Probably my least accurate rifle. The power is fine and it feels good to me and is compact. It is very accurate at 50 yards for any hunting you may do. If you want longer shots this is not my first choice.
My BBT .126 grain is the most accurate slug I have shot in my Bulldog and others have had less luck with theirs with the same round. I have a gun that was released before any of the other shops got guns so things may have changed in production. American Air Arms has my gun taken apart right now, we were looking to re-barrel with a twist rate that makes sense for the power/caliber but has been put on the back burner for now. AAA not sure if the gun will be accurate even with the barrel change because of the way the barrel is supported inside the gun. That gun has 14 twist from the factory which imo is way too fast.
There is a power adjust on the back you can turn up fyi.
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From all I have seen is they are not that accurate. They have a 1:14 twist barrel. Maybe Nick will see this and report on his findings with the gun.
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From all I have seen is they are not that accurate. They have a 1:14 twist barrel. Maybe Nick will see this and report on his findings with the gun.
I already did right above you, must have been writing at same time...
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Yeah I don't know what happened there. Seems like it took awhile to post.
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I own one and love it. It is definitely not the most accurate air rifle but it sure hits hard.
I get about a 1 to 1.25" group at 50 and it opens up a bit more than i would like at 100 but i have killed about a dozen Coon, Fox, Rabbits and skunks. All from 30 to 90 yards.
There are some more accurate rifles out there but none that I know of that have the power, the rotary mag and the low price that a Bulldog does.
I have not tried the Nielsen ammo but i have found that the Mr. Hollowpoint 140g has been the most accurate. That being said, I have a box of the new AeroMagnum 128g sitting on my bench that I have high hopes for. I will find out this weekend.
I would buy it again if I had it to do all over again.
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Thanks guys for your info. My buddy is into the pig thing, so this may be perfect for his use. He has been talking about predator use too but like you guys have said it may not be accurate enough for thait at longer than 50-60 yards, I don't know.
I'm sure he will take it to the range and test it out. For him it is just about perfect - short, powerful and accurate enough for pig size stuff without spending a lot of money on something he will use maybe 2 to 3 times a year . If it has brain shot accuracy for pig at 60 yards I'm sure he will be very happy. For coyote at 50-60 I think with this gun he would just go for heart/lung shots, it has the energy for that for sure. Although my 257 has power for pig too, it would be a brain shot shooting.
I don't like the fact that it is loud from everything I have read, my 257 is "big backyard friendly" with the R&L shroud and I like that a lot ;- )
I'll see it on Thursday for sure and I'm excited about seeing it ... it sure is one of the funkiest guns (read ugly) I have ever seen, but it may be comfortable. One of the guys I have talked too that I bought a Condor from has one and he told me the gun is really fun to shoot, he told me to get one that I would have a blast with it, others have said the same ... all have said this is not a 100 yard bench gun, just as you guys have ;- )
The problem with me getting one is it is a very powerful gun and as it now stands I'm having trouble finding places close to where I live to shoot my Condors, I can't use it in California to hunt game animals either as the law now reads in California and it is not really the perfect predator gun at 50-85ish yards
wll2506
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with a little work it can be quiet.
here is mine
https://youtu.be/MEoWbAesSJg
https://youtu.be/ysHGFuCD9tk
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with a little work it can be quiet.
here is mine
https://youtu.be/MEoWbAesSJg
https://youtu.be/ysHGFuCD9tk
That is very quite... you baffle the inside with with something fast and dirty, Or was it a major rebuilding of the inside of the gun ?
I like fast and dirty ;- )
wll2506
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Definitely not quick and dirty on that.
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=107791.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=107791.0)
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Definitely not quick and dirty on that.
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=107791.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=107791.0)
Very nicely done, the barrel as it comes from the factory is about 4 inches from the end of the gun I assume ? Can the barrel be removed easily, or is that a total pain in the back side with washers, "O" rings and the like ?
wll2506
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No the barrel is a pretty easy removal.
There is a cap head Allen screw at the back of the shroud. Take that off and the entire shroud will slide forward and of the gun. Then there are 2 Allen set screws on top of the receiver. Loosen those and the barrel will come out.
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The Bulldog is the easiest gun I have ever worked on. It's easy peasy to upgrade the power about 100fpe or so.
Regards, Tom
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The Bulldog is the easiest gun I have ever worked on. It's easy peasy to upgrade the power about 100fpe or so.
Regards, Tom
I have been pondering getting one just to up the power and maybe re-barrel it. I think if someone took the time, it could be put into a regular stock.
Joe
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I think considering the price reduction it is a decent gun. The only beef I have is it is not accurate enough for my likes but I like everything else about it. I am hoping to relook at the gun in a few months and see what we can do with it. There are higher priority tasks I have at the moment but I hope to at least make the gun decent out to 100 yards.
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I think considering the price reduction it is a decent gun. The only beef I have is it is not accurate enough for my likes but I like everything else about it. I am hoping to relook at the gun in a few months and see what we can do with it. There are higher priority tasks I have at the moment but I hope to at least make the gun decent out to 100 yards.
I'm hoping the EPP's are accurate in his gun for 60 yard coyote type stuff, they may be OK for smallish pig too, I don't know. I would think since they are a solid bullet they would penetrate more than the JSB's ?
wll2506
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I sent you an email too but I sent those EPP slugs out this morning and some BBT 126 grain for you to compare. The BBT are heavier so will come out slower but of course have a much higher BC. Curious how they do in your gun. In my Bulldog the BBT did the best out of probably at least 50 different slugs I tried in it. Others said they were not the best slugs in theirs so I would like to get comparison so I can make the best suggestions to people. Mine is taken apart and so I have nothing to test with.
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I sent you an email too but I sent those EPP slugs out this morning and some BBT 126 grain for you to compare. The BBT are heavier so will come out slower but of course have a much higher BC. Curious how they do in your gun. In my Bulldog the BBT did the best out of probably at least 50 different slugs I tried in it. Others said they were not the best slugs in theirs so I would like to get comparison so I can make the best suggestions to people. Mine is taken apart and so I have nothing to test with.
Nick, thank you very, very much, as he is my GM and a pretty scientific guy - he will give a good testing for sure.
wll2506
PS: I was just over his house and saw a JSB 357 cal pellet ........ that is one huge pellet ..... no problem taking a yote or small pig with that sucker at 50-75 yards for sure !!! WOW !
I told him about the bullets you are sending and he is ecstatic .... I will be at his house when he gets the gun .... I think I'm just as excited as he is ;- )
wll2506
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I sent you an email too but I sent those EPP slugs out this morning and some BBT 126 grain for you to compare. The BBT are heavier so will come out slower but of course have a much higher BC. Curious how they do in your gun. In my Bulldog the BBT did the best out of probably at least 50 different slugs I tried in it. Others said they were not the best slugs in theirs so I would like to get comparison so I can make the best suggestions to people. Mine is taken apart and so I have nothing to test with.
I got your bullets today, they look great. I sent him a pic and will hand them over to him tomorrow and he is getting his gun ... if he turns his back on me I just may need to borrow it for a few years ;- )
wll2506
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Get a sam yang recluse.more power,very accurate,less cost aswell
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Will Pratt tune adds a lot to cost but really makes a Sam Yang sing. Last I looked on his website he was back to taking guns shipped from Pyramid Air. Meaning he's not a year in back log anymore. Saves in the shipping, guns direct from distributor to him then he sends you the tuned gun. Does wonders to the trigger and will add 50% power.
https://sites.google.com/site/saddlemountaingunsmith/tech-tips
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Get a sam yang recluse.more power,very accurate,less cost as well
I have a few 22 cal Career 707's and a Sumatra 25 ... awesome guns. The Recluse is an option I have been looking at too. I do though like the magazine of the Bulldog for a short range pig blaster. The intended purpose is different for this gun than all my others.
MY buddy who just got it said, don't be confused by some of the pictures .... this is a BIG gun ... I will see it tomorrow.
wll2506
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Well, I went over to my buddies house and looked at the Bulldog ... it was different from what I had expected ..... the gun is big, yes, but ... The gun Is not a POS as I have read from some of the reports. The plastic is not a cheap flimsy feeling unit, the gun is made pretty solid. The gun is very easy to uncock, the magazine is very, very nice, I like the sling swivel location and the Picatinny rail system is nice. The gun is lighter than it looks The fill cover that just about everyone complains about is not bad either and it is not as flimsy as I thought it was going to be.
Sooooooo - I went to Crosman.com, got a 20% discount and Friday free shipping, total bill was $679.00 and ordered it. Testing will begin when I receive it.
wll2506
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Good luck with the Bulldog ! I think you will like it. As each day goes by I like mine more. :) I wasn't a fan at first but liked some of its features and the power. Then got a chance to pick one up direct from crosman for just over $600 shipped. Couldn't pass that up. Mine sadly don't like the bbt's. JSB pellets shot tight and hard out to 55 yards. Best shooting slug so far is the 142 grain HHS. Havent tried Mr. Hollow points yet.
Oh' and don't leak a bit.
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Good luck with the Bulldog ! I think you will like it. As each day goes by I like mine more. :) I wasn't a fan at first but liked some of its features and the power. Then got a chance to pick one up direct from crosman for just over $600 shipped. Couldn't pass that up. Mine sadly don't like the bbt's. JSB pellets shot tight and hard out to 55 yards. Best shooting slug so far is the 142 grain HHS. Havent tried Mr. Hollow points yet.
Oh' and don't leak a bit.
Now the only problem I have is steeling back the ammo I gave my buddy to shoot :- )
I just ordered cheapo ammo to test, we will see !
wll2506
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Cheapo ammo? JSB pellets impress with how hard they hit. Even shot against Noslers and others into soap, wet and dry sand, and 12 guage plate steel @35 yards they amaze.. Plus they are consistent accurate !
Proper and repeatable hold will reward you with tighter groups I found. A hassle kinda but worth it.
Only thing I really don't like is how often I have to pump it back up. Lol and the black color I didn't have a love affair with but I fixed that. ;)
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Cheapo ammo? JSB pellets impress with how hard they hit. Even shot against Noslers and others into soap, wet and dry sand, and 12 guage plate steel @35 yards they amaze.. Plus they are consistent accurate !
Proper and repeatable hold will reward you with tighter groups I found. A hassle kinda but worth it.
Only thing I really don't like is how often I have to pump it back up. Lol and the black color I didn't have a love affair with but I fixed that. ;)
Nice camo job, your gun looks great. My cowboy ammo was $9.00 per 100 and much less when you buy 500ea. I bought 100ea 105gr and 125 gr pills .... We will see how they do :- )
Continued 8-27-16:
Just bought a couple sizers, a .357 and .358 along with the push rod from N.O.E. I'll probable get it next week, will pick up the sling at Wally World tomorrow..... I may have a case ?
wll2506
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Thanks ! Not quite what I wanted, but.....;)
Looking forward to your report. Good luck!
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Wally World sling is bought, cheapo ammo is on the way, scope has mounts/rings attached to scope and ready to install on gun, bi-pod is off stage ready to be attached. My cool decal is already to put on if I decide ... same one that is on my 257 ... the initials NCFOM -- You DO know what the letters stand for, don't you ?
No camo on this gun as it stands now, just maybe this decal if it looks good and a few cool logos ;- ) When I get through with her she will be looking pretty tight ------
wll2506
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For $600 you did good. I'm currently moving $20 a week to my PayPal to fund my big bore wants so my wife won't notice till she sees the rifle lol.
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For $600 you did good. I'm currently moving $20 a week to my PayPal to fund my big bore wants so my wife won't notice till she sees the rifle lol.
Using the 20% discount and buying on Friday when the shipping is free saves a lot of money ... much cheaper then AGD or PA ;- ) ..... who knows if they will have any deals better with the holidays on the horizon ?
wll2506
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I shot this at 52 yards with the new AeroMagnum 128.5g Devastators. I thinks that's what you are wanting. I get a similar but now quite as good a group with the Mr. hollowpoint 140g
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I shot this at 52 yards with the new AeroMagnum 128.5g Devastators. I thinks that's what you are wanting. I get a similar but now quite as good a group with the Mr. hollowpoint 140g
A month late on the answer, but ya, I can live with that very well. After my modifications today I would love that kind of group at 50 yds. I hope I get in the mid-ish 800fps with 125gr slugs after removing the valve spring and opening up the ports from .201 to .234 ? Removing the piece of paper that was left in the valve by one of Crosman's best may help with my velocity too. :- )
wll2506
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I drilled to .277.
Paper in the valve? Lol hey!
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I drilled to .277.
Paper in the valve? Lol hey!
I don't expect to get the kind of speed you are getting, I just want to up mine from 795 to 835 + if I can with 125's. I figure the removal of the valve spring from what I have read is about 35fps ... and the opening up of the valve port to match the slightly larger barrel opening at .234 should give me another 20-25fps .. I would think ... I don't think the paper in the valve was helping me to much either ;- )
wll2596
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For $600 you did good. I'm currently moving $20 a week to my PayPal to fund my big bore wants so my wife won't notice till she sees the rifle lol.
hahahaha, i am currently selling random stuff ive machined and spare gun parts and also funneling into my paypal ! amazon has the bulldog right now for 675 shipped if you have prime.
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For $600 you did good. I'm currently moving $20 a week to my PayPal to fund my big bore wants so my wife won't notice till she sees the rifle lol.
hahahaha, i am currently selling random stuff ive machined and spare gun parts and also funneling into my paypal ! amazon has the bulldog right now for 675 shipped if you have prime.
That is exactly what I paid for mine. So far one of these guns is enough for me - this is a very specialized gun in my books. like my 257 Condor. They both have to much power for the area I live in and where I shoot. Very rarely do I have a clear 600-800 yards before there are ranch houses or roads. Both these calibers, for me, are for large predators, or hunting pig should I go out of state.
After I sight this gun in at 50-60 yards ... she will be used once in a while for coyote in California (where I can shoot it), and once in a while at a range. The 257 is a little more shooter friendly because of the shroud not drawing attention, but it has actually a longer range ... I don't shoot this gun often either because of lack of good backstops in my area. I have just one area that I have a clear mile of no houses and no people.
I'm very cautious of where I shoot as whatever can happen, will happen !!
In general, my 25 cal Condors shooting JSB KH's at 950+fps are about all I feel semi comfortable with when I'm shooting in the desert on flat land.
wll2506
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the bulldog has great reviews across the board, good accuracy, and is truly affordable..I actually think it set a high bar in big bores .. The bad reviews i see ( which you touched on ) are people buying it for backyard plinking, then dissapointed its too loud or powerful.
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Old thread but are you guys still liking your Bulldogs? I just bought a used one so definitely looking for input especially on how to quiet it down as much as possible.
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I just bought a used one so definitely looking for input especially on how to quiet it down as much as possible.
Take a look at Pitbull airguns. Matt has multiple options in 3D printed LDCs for the BD.
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I just bought a used one so definitely looking for input especially on how to quiet it down as much as possible.
Take a look at Pitbull airguns. Matt has multiple options in 3D printed LDCs for the BD.
That's hilarious because my used one actually came with Matts intro (basic) LDC. I asked him if he wouid upgrade the used one I have for his best one. I just have to send it to him and $100 so I think I'll do that.
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I have found Matt easy to work with. I have a custom length BD air tube and fill assy coming from him. :)
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Holy &^^&. I just shot my bd outside and its actually not that loud at all just w his basic ldc on it. I do have an extended custom air tube on mine that extends up to maybe 3 inches or so short of the front of the ldc itself.
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Holy &^^&. I just shot my bd outside and its actually not that loud at all just w his basic ldc on it. I do have an extended custom air tube on mine that extends up to maybe 3 inches or so short of the front of the ldc itself.
Pictures? ;)
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Will try to post later today.