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This is from the Crosman newsletter I just received.
BENJAMIN AIRGUNS ANNOUNCES NEW ENTRY LEVEL PCP RIFLE
BLOOMFIELD, New York (January 19, 2016) Benjamin Airguns, the premier hunting brand of Crosman Corporation, continues to lead the way in low cost, high performance precharged pneumatics with the introduction of the Maximus™ air rifle. The single shot bolt action rifle is set in an attractive black synthetic all-weather stock and will be available in .177 and .22 calibers.
"Built in America, the Maximus is for those shooters looking for a PCP-powered rifle that delivers maximum performance for the price. It’s packed with features and can be filled easily with a hand pump,” says Jennifer Lambert, VP of Marketing for Crosman.
The Maximus has a maximum fill pressure of 2000 PSI and can deliver up to 30 shots. The action is machined to accept dovetail optic mounts and the barrel is threaded, opening the door to additional accessories and customization.
"With velocities up to 1000 FPS in .177 caliber and 900 FPS in .22, the Maximus will help hunters limit out on small game without having to empty their wallets,” says Sonia Nau, Product Manager.
The Maximus features an on-board pressure gauge for monitoring fill pressure and a single stage trigger. It will be available in Spring 2016 with an MSRP of $199.99 for both calibers.
For additional information on the Benjamin Maximus, visit crosman.com or write to Chip Hunnicutt, Marketing Manager, Crosman Corporation, 7629 Routes 5 & 20, Bloomfield, NY 14469, or contact him via email at chip@crosman.com, Twitter @chiphunnicutt or by phone at (800) 7–AIRGUN (724-7486). For up-to-the-minute news from Crosman Corporation, follow the company on Twitter (@crosmancorp).
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Looks like a "synco"?
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Yeah, sure looks like a disco with a plastic stock.
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Looks like a "synco"?
When I first looked at it that's exactly what I thought...... Then i looked at the pics and thought to myself "Looks like just a slimmer fore grip and a slightly higher buttstock for better cheek weld."
Even the description sounds like its based on the Disco action.....which wouldn't be bad as there's already mods available for it. Not a bad strategy on Crosman's part!
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There are a couple of things that I see that are to my liking:
1- The barrel band is much closer to the end of the barrel - better barrel support.
2- There are studs for the sling already installed - a little savings for those of us that utilize a slings when hunting.
Synco may be a good nickname for it.
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Looks like a "synco"?
When I first looked at it that's exactly what I thought...... Then i looked at the pics and thought to myself "Looks like just a slimmer fore grip and a slightly higher buttstock for better cheek weld."
Even the description sounds like its based on the Disco action.....which wouldn't be bad as there's already mods available for it. Not a bad strategy on Crosman's part!
I don't think anyone was being negative with the comparison.
Personally, Synthetic stocks have their place. The action already being well known with lots of support is great. The MSRP being $199 is interesting considering the disco MSRP is 269. I wonder if the disco will see a price drop as well, since the stock can't be worth $70. I am sure crosman knows exactly what it is doing.
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The Katana, then the Disco. Now the Maximus.
Sorta the reverse of what they did with the 760. LOL
With it, they kept changing it yet kept the moniker 760. There are almost unrecognizable with the differences from my original 1966 PumpMaster 760 to todays plastic fantastic.
With the Maximus, they have just taken the Disco and redressed it yet again. And changed the name.
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I think it looks pretty cool ;D
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag60/hillairguncom/Screen%20Shot%202016-01-19%20at%209.53.44%20AM_zpsbdokubka.png) (http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/hillairguncom/media/Screen%20Shot%202016-01-19%20at%209.53.44%20AM_zpsbdokubka.png.html%5D%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag60/hillairguncom/Screen%20Shot%202016-01-19%20at%209.53.44%20AM_zpsbdokubka.png%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL%5D)
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I wonder if that stock would interchange with the wood disco stock?????
(whispers) Crosman maybe next a thumbhole stocked version??? ;D ;) I personally would fit a great excuse to buy one if they did lol
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Norm could probably fix you up with one.
:)
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I bought Benjamin Disco .22 a year. by comparing to this model, I see the only different is a synthetic stock vs wooden. Here is my 2 cent. with wooden stock, if you want to go for Double Disco, you can sent the stock to recrown, so that it can fix both tubes. https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2014/01/22-caliber-lightweight-double-disco-part-1/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2014/01/22-caliber-lightweight-double-disco-part-1/)
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I am curious to see whether or not Crosman continues to make the original Disco or if they decide to press the market towards this synthetic stock version. If they do continue to produce the Disco I am hoping to see the price come down a bit, maybe $219.99 for the wood stock version?
The price is certainly attractive but I'm not sure I am sold on the plastic stock.
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Either the barrel is longer or the tube is shorter. If it retails at $199 I will have to buy one.
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The grip looks to be a bit more vertical than the wood stock version ?
The bolt looks blacked out.
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag60/hillairguncom/Screen%20Shot%202016-01-19%20at%2010.17.46%20AM_zpsvcd57iax.png) (http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/hillairguncom/media/Screen%20Shot%202016-01-19%20at%2010.17.46%20AM_zpsvcd57iax.png.html%5D%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag60/hillairguncom/Screen%20Shot%202016-01-19%20at%2010.17.46%20AM_zpsvcd57iax.png%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL%5D)
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The press release also mentions a threaded barrel! I feel like I need one. If only Crosman could hit their availability dates.
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Looks like a disco with a slightly longer threaded barrel?
Hopefully the cheek rest is higher.
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For $200 I would probably get one.
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It will certainly be the disco replacement. They keep close to the disco price, but save $ on the syn stock and the plastic front sight.
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That's a really good looking Disco.
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The press release also mentions a threaded barrel! I feel like I need one. If only Crosman could hit their availability dates.
Maybe if it's the same internals as the Disco it will be right on time.
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Finally one I can afford.....
http://www.crosman.com/connect/benjamin-airguns-announces-new-entry-level-pcp-rifle/?utm_content=buffer2ea9c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer (http://www.crosman.com/connect/benjamin-airguns-announces-new-entry-level-pcp-rifle/?utm_content=buffer2ea9c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer)
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Thanks Philip. Announcement already posted in the PCP Gate.
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I totally missed the threaded barrel. That would be great.
Here in NY when hunting the DEC considers airguns firearms and bans hunting with firearms with certain attachments. Threaded would make it easy to keep on when not hunting and remove when hunting.
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I guess if I do not like the feel of the plastic there is bedliner... but what will it sound like...
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If I had to guess, they are using the longer (26") barrel they supply to England so that LDCs can be threaded on easily, and otherwise dropped the Disco action into a synthetic stock.... I personally prefer wood, but looking at the general arrangement of the components in the photo, there is a very good chance they are interchangeable....
Now if they would just go back to the original hammer spring (maybe they did to get the shot count back to 30 as advertised?)....
Bob
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If I had to guess, they are using the longer (26") barrel they supply to England so that LDCs can be threaded on easily, and otherwise dropped the Disco action into a synthetic stock.... I personally prefer wood, but looking at the general arrangement of the components in the photo, there is a very good chance they are interchangeable....
Now if they would just go back to the original hammer spring (maybe they did to get the shot count back to 30 as advertised?)....
Bob
I'm guessing just like you are, it still is basically a disco with a few changes .... all of which I really like .... and I love the price ... how can you not have 3 or 4 of these ;- )
I think Crosman will see a bunch of these, and really put pressure on the trad spring guns and gas guns. if they put a lighter spring in the back end and do get a good 30 shots, that would be very significant.
wll
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Just a small tweak to the design (really just a different barrel and bolt), and Crosman could produce these in .25 cal.... Perhaps they don't want to compete with the MRod?.... or, maybe in factory tune it would get too much criticism, like the fate of most .25 cal Springers, for being underpowered.... Sure would be a nice place to start from for modding though?.... 45-50 FPE is a piece of cake, even at 2000 psi, with a hogged out valve and PRod gauge port....
Crosman, give me a call and I'll give you all the details and dimensions, free of charge.... Well, OK, maybe you could give me the first one.... *LOL*....
Bob
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Just a small tweak to the design (really just a different barrel and bolt), and Crosman could produce these in .25 cal.... Perhaps they don't want to compete with the MRod?.... or, maybe in factory tune it would get too much criticism, like the fate of most .25 cal Springers, for being underpowered.... Sure would be a nice place to start from for modding though?.... 45-50 FPE is a piece of cake, even at 2000 psi, with a hogged out valve and PRod gauge port....
Crosman, give me a call and I'll give you all the details and dimensions, free of charge.... Well, OK, maybe you could give me the first one.... *LOL*....
Bob
Bob ... there you go again ;- )
wll
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From the photo it appears the front sight is different from that on the Disco. I'm assuming the barrel threads are under that sight?
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I may actually get into the PCP game with this, although I hope I wouldn't have to change my name... ::)
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perfect, will have to show my brother. right in his price range and he loves the disco
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;D Well after I get my big bore I may just get one of these to keep at the in laws to play with since it will not be all that hard to fill with my Hill hand pump that is just a back up for now
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I personally like the wood better but it is not a bad looking gun. ::)
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I like the news. I recently started thinking of going to the darkside and this might be the portal into a whole new world for me. I'm worried I will fall in love with PCPs and end up with a bunch of them (look at my signature).
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I wonder if this new barrel is interchangeable with the disco ... for a bit longer barrel and a threaded barrel for moderators.
wll
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I think it looks pretty good, the disco wood stock is pretty ugly.
which reminds me, still have to stop my disco from leaking :(
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I would be interested if it had the marauder breech with magazine. ...I been spoiled with the prod breech and clips that I would never want to go back to single loading pellets.
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I would rather have seen a mid-range price point rifle with disco power plant, and challenger barrel and trigger. They could have just called this a synthetic Discovery.
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I wonder if this new barrel is interchangeable with the disco ... for a bit longer barrel and a threaded barrel for moderators.
wll
The thing that I do hope is a slightly longer loading port. If the barrel fits the discovery it might be the same size, just thinking out loud !
wll
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I orderd some parts from Crosman and while I had them on the phone, I asked when the Maximus would go on sale, the reply was sometime in May ( this year ).
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Most companies get items out a couple of months after launch .... we have done that many times with our company. ... just the way it is, The development and production times always are longer than you planned on !
wll
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I wonder if this new barrel is interchangeable with the disco ... for a bit longer barrel and a threaded barrel for moderators.
wll
Should be.
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Me personally I think the stock took a "Gluteus Maximus" turn, but a longer barrel for less I can deal... but to me it does look like bu**...
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I was just getting ready to order a Disco, and I am glad I didn't. I actually much prefer this stock to a Disco wood stock, which I planned on replacing with a Boyds. It looks like there is more room for a power adjuster, or anything else you care to put there. I wonder what it will weigh?
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I was just getting ready to order a Disco, and I am glad I didn't. I actually much prefer this stock to a Disco wood stock, which I planned on replacing with a Boyds. It looks like there is more room for a power adjuster, or anything else you care to put there. I wonder what it will weigh?
I wish I had more stats too. I think Crosman did a very nice job in designing that stock, the cheek piece is very welcome in my eyes are are its other features ... not including its awesome price ... I really want to see the reports and I really want to handle one.
I'm hoping that the barrel is a bit longer, as gas gun barrels get more speed than shorter ones as the gas is expanding and not being pushed out like a barrel breaker.
Good times are ahead I think.
wll
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http://www.crosman.com/connect/benjamin-airguns-announces-new-entry-level-pcp-rifle/?utm_content=buffer2ea9c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer&source=pepperjam&publisherId=43737&clickId=1516978117 (http://www.crosman.com/connect/benjamin-airguns-announces-new-entry-level-pcp-rifle/?utm_content=buffer2ea9c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer&source=pepperjam&publisherId=43737&clickId=1516978117)
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Might have to get my first PCP! I'd have to go with the hand pump. even 20 shots would be great with me. I have no problem with a synthetic stock. Let's see, I just ordered a new Crosman F4 yesterday.......then, if I got a Maximus, that would be what, eleven Crosman air guns? And, one Umarex, an old Daisy 747.
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Cool beans! Looks like it's still based on the 2260, just like the Disco. I wonder if it's just the stock, or if anything has been left off vs. the Disco.
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I orderd some parts from Crosman and while I had them on the phone, I asked when the Maximus would go on sale, the reply was sometime in May ( this year ).
Syncho de Mayo!!! ;D ;D ;D
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http://www.crosman.com/connect/benjamin-airguns-announces-new-entry-level-pcp-rifle/?utm_content=buffer7deee&utm_medium=social&utm_source=plus.google.com&utm_campaign=buffer (http://www.crosman.com/connect/benjamin-airguns-announces-new-entry-level-pcp-rifle/?utm_content=buffer7deee&utm_medium=social&utm_source=plus.google.com&utm_campaign=buffer)
I am going to wait for the reviews. And if its positive I am going to buy one without a doubt and sell my X50 even cheaper than I already am.
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Could be a very good first PCP for many. Time will tell.
Side note: Did you get the JSB's Jacob?
BZ
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Could be a very good first PCP for many. Time will tell.
Side note: Did you get the JSB's Jacob?
BZ
Yes I did. I was just about to comment on the original post. Thank you very much.
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Very nice rifle rifle, handled one today at shot show.
Nice and light and shouldered well.
I will post a photo tomorrow
Dave
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Very nice rifle rifle, handled one today at shot show.
Nice and light and shouldered well.
I will post a photo tomorrow
Dave
Thats awesome to hear.
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LOL
Been posted several times already today in various gates. I'm combining this one with my FIRSDT post about this in the PCP Gate.
:)
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I "WAS" in the market for a .177 Disco to go with my .22. Put me down for one of these Crosman.
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Glad to see a pcp I can get behind. Not a bad looking gun but I love wood stocks. It would be nice if crosman offered it in error but then it would pretty much be a disco. But I'm guessing after market industry will explode over this gun
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Very nice rifle rifle, handled one today at shot show.
Nice and light and shouldered well.
I will post a photo tomorrow
Dave
. Does it have a psi gauge?
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Very nice rifle rifle, handled one today at shot show.
Nice and light and shouldered well.
I will post a photo tomorrow
Dave
. Does it have a psi gauge?
sure looks to me like it does.
Look closely at the bottom of the stock, forward of the trigger guard. See that little "notch" in the bottom of the stock ?,.. thats where the gauge is, Just like the Disco.
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Man I bet that if it has 2 extra inches it just might with some tuning toss the BBT .217-28/30-FN(BT) pretty good if no Harmonic probs...
maybe another barrel band by the breech for stability...
http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php/topic,1322.0.html (http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php/topic,1322.0.html)
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http://airgunhome.com/agforum/viewtopic.php?t=2963&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30 (http://airgunhome.com/agforum/viewtopic.php?t=2963&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30)
add 2 inches of barrel and well that's 20-30 fps I bet... with the heavies like the Eun Jin 29gr and 32g...
I would rather see the BBTs at 900-950 fps but come on we are talking a $199 and some work... and only a 2400 psi fill... for a 14 shot string
so yep my name is next on the list for the .217 mold for sure, but I have to wait for my Beretta Barrel to be turned for the .25 Mrod breech to use them...
Just to see if I can make them work in a choked barrel... this would be a good backup plan... If they start selling 26" .22 pellet barrels I would want just to sleeve one for my Mrod then...
But for now It is a good way to get started with cast if you wanted I think even at 800-825 fps the BBT would perform very well...
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Very nice rifle rifle, handled one today at shot show.
Nice and light and shouldered well.
I will post a photo tomorrow
Dave
. Does it have a psi gauge?
From the Crosman literature: The Maximus features an on-board pressure gauge for monitoring fill pressure and a single stage trigger. It will be available in Spring 2016 with an MSRP of $199.99 for both calibers.
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I like the look of the stock, maybe they will offer it in wood later just like they did the new marauder. Also like the longer barrel, looks like it could be a shooter if the barrels are good. Would like to see what Tim Mac will do with these. Hope the trigger isn't total &^^& like the break barrels, but if the same as disco it can be worked with.
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I wonder if it is as loud as the Disco. The barrel looks a little skinner too.
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I wonder if it is as loud as the Disco. The barrel looks a little skinner too.
I would think it would be about the same. Not sure about the barrel though...
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He
Here is a photo of the new gun.
Dave
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30 shots per fill? That's what they claimed for my 2014-made Disco, the one that only got 13 shots from 2100 psi before POI started dropping at 30 yards. A few coils clipped from the hammer spring brought it up to 20 shots per fill with only minimal velocity loss, but still.
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I'm just glad they actually put iron sights on it. And with the dovetail a Williams peep is easy. Unless you have bad eyes you don't need a scope.
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If they start selling the stock I'll be definitely be buying one for my Daughter's Disco
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They will not interchange. The maximus has its own parts and stock design. From what I heard anyway.
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2" of additional barrel length on a stock Disco will be only about 10 fps difference....
Bob
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They will not interchange. The maximus has its own parts and stock design. From what I heard anyway.
Oh, possible "inside" information Joel?
LOL
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2" of additional barrel length on a stock Disco will be only about 10 fps difference....
Bob
I was thinking about your 40 fpe Disco tune...
but I looked around wondering if it is wishful thinking; for less $ it probably just has a shorter tank...
found this post has its pic next to a disco pic and the tank does look to be shorter...
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/message/1453310894/Then+you+aren%27t+a+Maximus+customer%2C+or+prospect (http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/message/1453310894/Then+you+aren%27t+a+Maximus+customer%2C+or+prospect)
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Bottom line is, no body knows anything until the spec sheet is out.
That is what I want to see.
wll
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I'm just going to get one...that way I can find out all the answers. :D
So as soon as they are available...my order will be in.
Like I NEED another rifle to put on the "I'm going to get to that ...really..." table.
Sheesh. But it IS an addiction of sorts.
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
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After they come out, give it a month or so and there will be all sorts of stuff available (dual tubes, tunes pushing heavy pellets 1000fps, Charlie De Tuna triggers, etc).
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I disagree.... Using a ruler to measure the length of the breech and rear sight adapter on the two photos, which then allows you to scale out the tube length, I think the tubes are the same length and the barrel on the Maximum is longer.... but we won't know for sure until they are available....
Bob
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I believe you mentioned crosman already makes a longer barrel with threads for the UK market.
That or I am again remembering things that have not yet happened.
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Yep, 26" for the Disco in the UK with threads.... just makes sense for them to use an already available part....
Bob
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Interesting - is it an exact swap for the US Discovery .22 barrel (Except for the length)?
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If you have piles of available parts it would not make sense to add any more than needed. Tupperware stocks are a huge savings. The only cost of developing was the stock mold and what it cost to name it, and print the labels on the box. I really like how the barrel is set down low in the stock on this gun. I have a feeling they better make alot of stocks! Another thing overlooked with an entry level airgun, is they are a gateway drug to a Marauder for Crosman.
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What is the FPE for this? I don't know but at $199 this might be my first PCP I've been looking for ! The hold out may be over
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If you have piles of available parts it would not make sense to add any more than needed. Tupperware stocks are a huge savings. The only cost of developing was the stock mold and what it cost to name it, and print the labels on the box. I really like how the barrel is set down low in the stock on this gun. I have a feeling they better make alot of stocks! Another thing overlooked with an entry level airgun, is they are a gateway drug to a Marauder for Crosman.
I assure you they are not overlooking that fact. This is Crosman trying to get a pcp cheap enough to be in Cabela's/Dick's/Gander Mountain. Once they can do that they open the door to a lot of new airgun shooters who will want an mrod later.
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I just bought a disco and i love it. I was thinking about getting another just because. Might have to grab one of these they look pretty nice :-*
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If you have piles of available parts it would not make sense to add any more than needed. Tupperware stocks are a huge savings. The only cost of developing was the stock mold and what it cost to name it, and print the labels on the box. I really like how the barrel is set down low in the stock on this gun. I have a feeling they better make alot of stocks! Another thing overlooked with an entry level airgun, is they are a gateway drug to a Marauder for Crosman.
You are spot on. They call this gun an entry level gun ...not in my book !
By the time air gunners do a few mods these guns are anything but entry level guns. I'm looking forward to the spec sheet on this gun.
wll
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Yep, 26" for the Disco in the UK with threads.... just makes sense for them to use an already available part....
Bob
the uk spec 26"barrels aren't threaded they're fitted with a 1/2" unf adapter that grub screws on same as the uk 2250 xl which comes with a steel breech and a 18" barrel
they're not the best of things and many complain the factory adapter clips when fitted with a ldc
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guarantee is exactly like the disco, with a shorter tube (non threaded barrel) using the open sights available in the 2260 but with tru glos... at least you can use a TKO on it without having to give up or modify the filler cap. The stock looks like it follows that 760 trends. probably will get a little less shots than the Disco. At 200 still not the affordable PCP... i mean for 50 more you can get a disco...
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guarantee is exactly like the disco, with a shorter tube (non threaded barrel) using the open sights available in the 2260 but with tru glos... at least you can use a TKO on it without having to give up or modify the filler cap. The stock looks like it follows that 760 trends. probably will get a little less shots than the Disco. At 200 still not the affordable PCP... i mean for 50 more you can get a disco...
I think that $200 includes the pump
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I think that $200 includes the pump
That sounds too good to be true.
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I think that $200 includes the pump
That sounds too good to be true.
Hi they never mentioned the pump and it was not dislpayed with one at shot show
So I don't think it is included
Dave
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I think that $200 includes the pump
That sounds too good to be true.
Hi they never mentioned the pump and it was not dislpayed with one at shot show
So I don't think it is included
Dave
I was going by the pics on the alert I seen, the pics made it look like a package deal
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guarantee is exactly like the disco, with a shorter tube (non threaded barrel) using the open sights available in the 2260 but with tru glos... at least you can use a TKO on it without having to give up or modify the filler cap. The stock looks like it follows that 760 trends. probably will get a little less shots than the Disco. At 200 still not the affordable PCP... i mean for 50 more you can get a disco...
$200 is not affordable? So is there any affordable pcp to your mind?
The crosman announcement said threaded, so no idea why you don't believe it.
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I think that $200 includes the pump
That sounds too good to be true.
What they say about things that sound to good to be true ?
.....200 with pump ?
I think I have to get a good giggle out of that one :) :)
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look at the crosman site and it says the rifle only will be about 200... a kit with pump and pellets will be 350. come on dude, i know the disco is already very affordable... but people just starting dont know what the extra hardware will cost them. So we are back at 350... u still think its affordable??? because the disco has been about the same with the pump (close to 400 but you can get them for 360 or so on sale...) and it still somewhat "not affordable" enough for crosman to go out and try to make a more affordable gun.
My affordable and yours may be different (and i shoot a Daystate), but a truly PCP for the masses should be like the 100 dollar pcps that were being sold before... those went like hotcakes (problems aside). So yeah, nothing impressive about taking a wood stock off and knocking down 50 bucks. the maximus is a 350 dollar kit.
Plus the sight mounted is just like the push through on a 2240... and that one is not covering threads. Ldc, being in such a grey area, are not something a manufacturer like crosman might want to get involved on, unless i missed something and ldcs are just perfectly accepted by all parties, being the ATF, LEOs and everyone else who might be able to give you trouble about them. I am looking at the picture provided, and that is what it looks like... plus the barrel is not thick enough to be threaded enough for a standard 1/2x20 ldc thread... i mean, its still a stock crosman barrel, right? 5/16??
are we talking about the same rifle? lol
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The Maximus looks similar to the Benjamin Discovery and will retail for under $200. A complete package with a pump and pellets will retail for about $350.
That is under the picture of BB pelletier at the shot show... im not making this up. look it up at the pyramyd blog.
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The crosman announcement said threaded, so no idea why you don't believe it.
... because crosman has promised before... and not deliver. still waiting for the MAV77...
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The picture gave false impressions. Still not a bad price. But like many are pointing out about the disco. FDPCP may be the only true budget PCP out.
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The picture gave false impressions. Still not a bad price. But like many are pointing out about the disco. FDPCP may be the only true budget PCP out.
The fdpcp is $160 these days.
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The fdpcp is $160 these days.
even so, still 40 bucks cheaper... and Mike Mellick will bundle it up with a pump for 300... Crosman is gotta long way to go. But no matter what, is a step in the right direction... im more impressed by the 1000 fps 2100... specially if its brought back in .22 at 800 fps. we can only dream.
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So what you are saying is, Crosman needs to sell the gun cheaper than a Chinese gun or it is not affordable???????????????? Sub $200 for a PCP is cheap. I actually prefer the looks to the Disco, as many others do. The FDPCP was sold as a no warranty tuners gun.
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Evidently Crosman has had a 26" barrel without a threaded end for years. Check out this thread. Wonder if they still have them Crosman part number for 26" barrel in 22 cal is 6-2261-001
http://www.network54.com/Forum/581291/thread/1314123731/Discovery+26%26quot%3B+Barrel (http://www.network54.com/Forum/581291/thread/1314123731/Discovery+26%26quot%3B+Barrel)
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Hmm that's cool Bob was right about it gaining ten fps stock... thanks for the link..
I found a one with two barrel bands like I would want,
at 40+ fpe I would go with three (give the breech screw some help)
http://www.pellpax.co.uk/airguns/air-rifles/pre-charged-pneumatic-pcp-air-rifles/benjamin-discovery-177-combo/9281 (http://www.pellpax.co.uk/airguns/air-rifles/pre-charged-pneumatic-pcp-air-rifles/benjamin-discovery-177-combo/9281)
Threaded barrel would be nice for putting on a hatsan/homebrew stripper...
or,
a miniature Browning Boss-ish device (at 40+ fpe barrel might need tuning )
But if unthreaded no biggy...
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wild cat that barrel with the light 28g/30g BBT .217 Benji Bee..?
Bet it would do better than the Eun Jin points and dome... ;)
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Now that shot is over, maybe we can get some stats on the gun and see the true dimensions and maybe part numbers.
wll
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I'm not so much interested in the gun as I am in the possibility of being able to order the 26" threaded barrel in .22. On the downside, take 26" barrel and hang an ldc on the end of it and you can just about reach up in the tree and smack the squirrel in the back of the head with it.
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the UK barrel was 26 inches to be able to put the LDC adaptor with threads... they were not threaded. and even if they thread it, we wont be able to use the 1/2 x20 ldcs anyway... the barrel is thinner than that. As per affordability, yes, the 200 dollar is affordable, but that is all relative to how much we want to put into the sport. 200 is not an expensive pcp, compared to the 600 marauder and such, and is almost free when compared to high end PCPs... But we have noticed that even 250 dollars (no pump) for a Disco was something the masses were not as keen to spend. The FDpcp was a tuners gun, unrefined and such, but it did sell out quite quickly, something the disco did not. so lets not discuss affordability in terms of what i or you can afford, but in terms to be a real option to buyers when they walk into big box stores and see a whole bunch of pellet rifles and pick the maximus over something else. And is not that it has to be a chinese gun to be better or more affordable, but to be honest, look around, chinese made stuff IS cheaper, not better necessarily, but definitely cheaper. And we all already know why that is, so lets not make a this a geopolitical discussion... I just think that the disco is just as good a deal, and again, crosman tries to reinvent the wheel... round.
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Lillysdad the point you make about being low enough for the masses brings up a point. If the gun sells fast then it may reduce the price of the pumps. That's going to be the sticker shock for a lot of people.
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Lets hope... i think a 99 dollar pump will do just great (and sell a ton, as we can always have a spare pump in case our tanks are not full... how many people have spare hill pumps? lol). The whole kit at 299.00 would be more enticing... a large retailer like walmart might be able to sell the bundle for 275??? now that is kinda nice... you can buy a good NP gun, or you have the choice to get a PCP setup... now that is choice.
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How many FDPCP's were sold? 100-200? How many Discos have been sold ? I am guessing thousands. I have 2 FDPCP's but I won't shoot either one until I replace the tubes with one piece cm tubes that I can trust. How many Discos have blown up? This gun will sell fast. The demand for PCP airguns has never been higher or there would not be all of the new PCP's coming to market.
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How many FDPCP's were sold? 100-200? How many Discos have been sold ?
As many as FD made, he sold. Im sure that percentile wise out of total production, more FDpcps have sold than discos... You think it will sell fast? why? how about just as fast as the Disco. my point is that is not a new gun, idea or promotional sensation. They might have well realeased the synthetic stock disco for all its worth...lol
PCPs are the new thing... but remember that for every pcp they sell, they sold 100 springers... and to the starter masses, a 100 dollar quest will always look more appealing, since there is no need for 150 worth of ancillaries and accesories.
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Will it sell to the masses? who knows...
is it worth arguing about and ruffling feathers?
I agree that that should be a goal to make something that people can afford
but I would also say make something that will work...
I don't care if I can buy a pcp and pump for only $99.99
if I have to by a new pumps every 2-3 month
because its a piece of junk made to price and not standards.
people are getting fed up of buying stuff and throwing it away the next week
yes they sell and they sell a lot but what do people think of them
and will they continue to sell? The market is becoming educated its happening
in airguns its happening in cars its happening in food and health.
People are looking for the answers. So lets share them and build
up rather than tear down. give solid feedback to the manufactures and the customers.
and put actions to those thoughts.
As to the barrel I don't know, maybe it will come with a thread adapter
maybe it will be threaded but what reason do we have to come out and call crosman a liar
just because we don't see it or think is will happen?
I think its great they are adapting to what people want, LDC/shroud on they're guns
but they don't like having to modify for the TKO now this might address that,
is it perfect I can't say but lets help them get it right rather them let what ever happens happen.
*steps off soap box*
I'm interested to know if they have changed anything internally?
Maybe a hammer spring to help shot count? the TP?
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Jacob's statement about the rifles selling fast "it may reduce the price of the pumps." I don't mean to stir the pile too much, but I am thinking it might work the other way. More rifles sold means more DEMAND for the pumps. Prices would rise! JMO
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*steps off soap box*
I'm interested to know if they have changed anything internally?
Maybe a hammer spring to help shot count? the TP?
LOL... u are right. hopefully an improved valve that works more efficiently and increases shot count? that would be worth the admission price... i got some projects that may benefit from that.
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*steps off soap box*
I'm interested to know if they have changed anything internally?
Maybe a hammer spring to help shot count? the TP?
LOL... u are right. hopefully an improved valve that works more efficiently and increases shot count? that would be worth the admission price... i got some projects that may benefit from that.
It would indeed be great if they did some valve work on them
what they really need to do is implement a SSG in it!
Anyone talk to them about that at SHOT?
It could be a huge selling point for them and would help
all the new shooters who can't stand pumper it up only to get 10 shots per fill.
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How many FDPCP's were sold? 100-200? How many Discos have been sold ?
As many as FD made, he sold. Im sure that percentile wise out of total production, more FDpcps have sold than discos... You think it will sell fast? why? how about just as fast as the Disco. my point is that is not a new gun, idea or promotional sensation. They might have well realeased the synthetic stock disco for all its worth...lol
PCPs are the new thing... but remember that for every pcp they sell, they sold 100 springers... and to the starter masses, a 100 dollar quest will always look more appealing, since there is no need for 150 worth of ancillaries and accesories.
. By this logic McLaren sells more cars than Ford. You are comparing a $100 gun sold with no warranty made with unknown materials that all were sold because of low production to a high production gun that has enjoyed much success. I agree that it is probably a Disco with a 23" barrel and a tupperware stock, but I would bet within a few months of when they start to sell the street value will be south of $175. I can't say I don't own a Disco anymore because an hour ago I found one I could not skip , but the idea of a scoped hunter around 6 lbs is very interesting.
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Carbon fiber air tube at 3,200psi will really change things. Especially since they weigh less and dont cost to much.
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Carbon Fibre bottles are great, and not too hard to manufacture.... Just using a CF wrapped air tube is a LOT more problematic, as you have to install an end cap and a valve into it.... I am not aware of any PCP that has solved that problem yet....
Bob
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Jacob's statement about the rifles selling fast "it may reduce the price of the pumps." I don't mean to stir the pile too much, but I am thinking it might work the other way. More rifles sold means more DEMAND for the pumps. Prices would rise! JMO
That only happens if supply is limited. I can't see that being the case.
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Quick question, Steven = Who controls the supply of pumps that Crosman sells? :D
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Not that it matters but, I think it was more like 400 FD-PCP sold. I'm pretty sure I heard that from Mike. As far as ONE "exploding".... no comment on that... I wasn't there and don't know the circumstances. Hearsay is all I have. Which, btw, is certainly still enough to raise caution. None the less, this thread is about the Maximus.
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Quick question, Steven = Who controls the supply of pumps that Crosman sells? :D
Sun optics, but pumps are fungible. If sun optics or crosman tried to raise the price they would be making air venturi's day.
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Thanks Bill. I am cool with that.
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Not that it matters but, I think it was more like 400 FD-PCP sold. I'm pretty sure I heard that from Mike. As far as ONE "exploding".... no comment on that... I wasn't there and don't know the circumstances. Hearsay is all I have. Which, btw, is certainly still enough to raise caution. None the less, this thread is about the Maximus.
Depending on how the Marauder project goes for my I may get a Maximus .22 as a next attempt at modding
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I wonder if that stock would interchange with the wood disco stock?????
(whispers) Crosman maybe next a thumbhole stocked version??? ;D ;) I personally would fit a great excuse to buy one if they did lol
trigger group looks the same. don't see why not
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PCPs are the new thing... but remember that for every pcp they sell, they sold 100 springers... and to the starter masses, a 100 dollar quest will always look more appealing, since there is no need for 150 worth of ancillaries and accesories.
The nitro piston is attracting a new crowd. Break barrel simplicity and low price. Whats not to love?
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PCPs are the new thing... but remember that for every pcp they sell, they sold 100 springers... and to the starter masses, a 100 dollar quest will always look more appealing, since there is no need for 150 worth of ancillaries and accesories.
The nitro piston is attracting a new crowd. Break barrel simplicity and low price. Whats not to love?
Limited fpe and the more fpe the more likely it is to be a scope eater and hold sensitive... and then there is barrel droop.. ;)
pumpers for me since the 1960s...
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I just ordered my first NP model Crosman. Called the F4, I think it's also called the Fury. Composite stock and no open sights. Wal Mart sells them online and mine was $69.95 delivered. I wanted something hopefully quieter than my Phantom. That Phantom made scopes slide. Went to a one piece mount with a stop pin. The sliding stopped, but then the Phantom broke the scope.
How loud are guns like the Disco, and probably this new one?
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I just ordered my first NP model Crosman. Called the F4, I think it's also called the Fury. Composite stock and no open sights. Wal Mart sells them online and mine was $69.95 delivered. I wanted something hopefully quieter than my Phantom. That Phantom made scopes slide. Went to a one piece mount with a stop pin. The sliding stopped, but then the Phantom broke the scope.
How loud are guns like the Disco, and probably this new one?
I don't know how loud they are stock. But the disco has a few moderators available that'll make it whisper quiet
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I just ordered my first NP model Crosman. Called the F4, I think it's also called the Fury. Composite stock and no open sights. Wal Mart sells them online and mine was $69.95 delivered. I wanted something hopefully quieter than my Phantom. That Phantom made scopes slide. Went to a one piece mount with a stop pin. The sliding stopped, but then the Phantom broke the scope.
How loud are guns like the Disco, and probably this new one?
I went through two nitro pistons. Still have them and they are great. A couple months after getting them i went ahead and bought a discovery. Theres no going back. It is loud...and the echo of it in town with houses near by makes it so loud. I got the tko muzzle brake hoping it would do what everyone says and it really does. I shoot my discovery all day in the backyard in town. The tko took 5 days to get to me and i was expecting about a week or two which was really cool
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PCPs are the new thing... but remember that for every pcp they sell, they sold 100 springers... and to the starter masses, a 100 dollar quest will always look more appealing, since there is no need for 150 worth of ancillaries and accesories.
The nitro piston is attracting a new crowd. Break barrel simplicity and low price. Whats not to love?
Limited fpe and the more fpe the more likely it is to be a scope eater and hold sensitive... and then there is barrel droop.. ;)
pumpers for me since the 1960s...
Granted, Im thinking of the newbie that looks at the 1200 fps tacticool springer at the mega box store and sees that he can drop critters like that Shockey feller for under $200. Then he gets home to find the scope was stolen from the box.
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After a little thought I think I have a better way to describe an affordable PCP. There are some on this forum that can't afford a Crosman 760, but to most it is an affordable gun. I am guessing that many on here are like me, that have several powder burners, but don't want to just in head first and start with a Marauder or Hatsan, or Air Arms. This was me when I started. I ordered a .22 and .177 FDPCP with a pump with full intentions of selling the one I liked least, but ended up keeping them and now have 10 PCP's with a Disco on the way, with the tanks and Shoebox to go with them. This is why I think it will be a gateway drug to Marauders for Crosman. I thank Crosman for doing what they can to get the base price PCP down a little more.
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I'm in. It'll be my first PCP and I'll fill it with it the hill pump I already have. I think it looks great compared to a disco. I've been waiting for this kind of price break, and this will be much better, I think, than building up a QB79 or scaring myself with a FD-PCP. I think Crosman is continuing to do good things. Kudos.
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I agree. And I will be surprised if street price doesn't end up being under $175 in a few months.
As for the Disco, it sells extremely well. Especially considering that it isn't typically sold in big box stores. I'm seeing comments that people don't buy Discos in the big box stores because they're not cheap enough; but it seems to me that the reason they're not buying them in big box stores is because they're not in the big box stores for them to buy! Cabela's, Academy and Gander Mountain around here carry airguns, but I've never seen a PCP rifle nor any PCP ancillary gear in any of them. Almost as if they don't exist. IMO, that's why Joe Average doesn't know they exist.
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I agree. And I will be surprised if street price doesn't end up being under $175 in a few months.
As for the Disco, it sells extremely well. Especially considering that it isn't typically sold in big box stores. I'm seeing comments that people don't buy Discos in the big box stores because they're not cheap enough; but it seems to me that the reason they're not buying them in big box stores is because they're not in the big box stores for them to buy! Cabela's, Academy and Gander Mountain around here carry airguns, but I've never seen a PCP rifle nor any PCP ancillary gear in any of them. Almost as if they don't exist. IMO, that's why Joe Average doesn't know they exist.
The only place I have seen a PCP for sale in person was a pawn shop that specializes in guns. And the idiots behind the counter didnt even know what it was. I think it was a few BSA R-10's.
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I'll probably end up getting a .22 Maximus. I just wish they had made it with a slightly shorter tube and slightly shorter shrouded barrel. I like the idea of the cheap price, but would have liked to have seen something about half way between a Prod and a Disco in length and weight in a Disco price range. Single shot and cheap plastic stock are fine with me.
Somebody needs to start a thread on that hot rod 2100. Maybe I missed it.
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Bait and switch on the price now it is $220... funny how Corporations believe deception in marketing works... >:(
http://www.crosman.com/new-for-2016/new-for-2016-airguns/maximus-177 (http://www.crosman.com/new-for-2016/new-for-2016-airguns/maximus-177)
Here is the press release that says the MSRP is $200...
http://www.crosman.com/connect/benjamin-airguns-announces-new-entry-level-pcp-rifle/ (http://www.crosman.com/connect/benjamin-airguns-announces-new-entry-level-pcp-rifle/)
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Yesterday, the price for a Discovery .177 at Walmart was $219.99. Just saying.
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It's a preorder, so the price is higher than the MSRP. If you want it first you gotta pay.
Within a few weeks/months these will be selling for less than MSRP.
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It will be interesting to see if the street price mirrors the $50 less than Disco retail price. I still prefer the Tupperware stock.
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Bait and switch on the price now it is $220... funny how Corporations believe deception in marketing works... >:(
http://www.crosman.com/new-for-2016/new-for-2016-airguns/maximus-177 (http://www.crosman.com/new-for-2016/new-for-2016-airguns/maximus-177)
Here is the press release that says the MSRP is $200...
http://www.crosman.com/connect/benjamin-airguns-announces-new-entry-level-pcp-rifle/ (http://www.crosman.com/connect/benjamin-airguns-announces-new-entry-level-pcp-rifle/)
Use promocode 'TEDHLDVR' to get 15% off, that makes it less than $200. If you wait until Tuesday you might be able to use '20OffTuesday' for 20% off, but I can't test that code until Tuesday.
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It will be interesting to see if the street price mirrors the $50 less than Disco retail price. I still prefer the Tupperware stock.
Is there any crosman gun thay does not sell at some discount?
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I just think it is bad to say on the new pumper up to 1000 fps in one place on your website and then 725 fps on another...Shows an attitude common in Todays Marketing Dept. that the customer is a mark and bs-ing him/her is okay... way to build trust in a Brand... ::)
They plasticated the 2100 called it the Leagacy and only $5.00 difference in price come on...
They put a plastic piston in the 2100 and yet still claimed up to 725 fps (which it used to get with 7.9g pellets)...
Have 2 differing statements on price of the Maximus on your website is a similar prob... ;)
Crosman do not let marketing guys ruin you by making you seem less trusted... it will kill a brand that Had a lot to be proud of...
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You can preorder right now at Pyramyd for 179.99
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How the *(&^ do they do it so cheap??? My trigger assembley cost more.
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If you have piles of available parts it would not make sense to add any more than needed. Tupperware stocks are a huge savings. The only cost of developing was the stock mold and what it cost to name it, and print the labels on the box. I really like how the barrel is set down low in the stock on this gun. I have a feeling they better make alot of stocks! Another thing overlooked with an entry level airgun, is they are a gateway drug to a Marauder for Crosman.
LOL gateway drug to all sorts of PCP rifles. Who knows the next Bob or Lloyd could evolve from the purchase of one of these entry level rifles. We all started somewhere. ::)
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sorry about the rant guys I just hate how marketing is handling things and if the new Legacy pumper has the 2100b piston it most likely is a 625 fps pumper...
would be nice if they fixed the piston in both... But there is the liability angle ( feel another rant about parental control) of a perceived child's toy that is not... so they tune it down? still not a toy at 625 fps...
I think they all got scared when daisy got sued for an accidental death of a kid...
But anyways you build to a range of 625-700 fps you say so; if they do not leave the factory shooting less than 800 fps or whatever say so...
But do not in a press release say up to 1000fps * with alloy pellets and then "up to" 725 fps with lead pellets, on another page of your same website and it will be doubly bad branding if it only gets 625 fps with 7.9g and 650 with 7.4g...
any ways I hope they did the plastic right on both this and the Legacy and just maybe the 2015 760... have not tried a 760 yet... but all the other plastic clamshell rifles did not impress me...
and Plastic stocks to me seem to amplify instead of mute the sound of the hammer strike... I just wonder if they could have done this same sort of $200 disco using 13xx trigger and a 1399 stock... and 2240 style fore stock/gage protector...
oh Pyrymid"s specs say 24.25 for barrel length... so I guess if that is right the tank has to be a bit smaller..?
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You can preorder right now at Pyramyd for 179.99
just looked at it... now at 199.99
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I just wonder if they could have done this same sort of $200 disco using 13xx trigger and a 1399 stock... and 2240 style fore stock/gage protector...
oh Pyrymid"s specs say 24.25 for barrel length... so I guess if that is right the tank has to be a bit smaller..?
Sure they could. I'm 100% convinced that this new gun is, like the Disco, based on the 2260. Therefore a 2240 grip/trigger assembly, 1399 stock and 2400/2250 forend assembly should be no problem. Probably be cheaper to just order a custom shop 2400 and then buy the air tube assembly for this gun, though. Or Disco tube assembly.
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We all started somewhere.
My gateway to the Dark Side was.... yup, a Disco.... I still have it, except now it's a .25 cal that shoots over 100 FPE.... :o
Bob
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So was mine. And now have 3.
:)
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You can preorder right now at Pyramyd for 179.99
just looked at it... now at 199.99
Apply the PYRAMYD-NRA code and ,...voila`you have 179.99 :) :)
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so, whats that nra code??
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oh, i get it. type in PYRAMYD-NRA?
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Pyramyd Air shows only the .177 caliber right now.
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Whats this new pumper people are talking about on here?
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Whats this new pumper people are talking about on here?
Basically crosman took the Crosman 2100 and added more plastic. They also claim it to shoot 1000 fps (alloy) just to get people to buy it. >:(
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Whats this new pumper people are talking about on here?
Basically crosman took the Crosman 2100 and added more plastic. They also claim it to shoot 1000 fps (alloy) just to get people to buy it. >:(
Do you have a link for it?
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We all started somewhere.
My gateway to the Dark Side was.... yup, a Disco.... I still have it, except now it's a .25 cal that shoots over 100 FPE.... :o
Bob
LOL what'd I tell you..... we better watch out The PCP will hook ya. ;D
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The barrel length on PA's website matching the disco is a disappointment if it's accurate. I would prefer to have the extra air capacity at the cost of barrel length. Hopefully there are some 'improvements' that create a true 30-shot count in .177 in the 750-800 fps range.
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The "harder to cock" comment and velocity claims would lead one to believe they have opted for even more power and a short, Korean Cliff shot string....
Bob
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We all started somewhere.
My gateway to the Dark Side was.... yup, a Disco.... I still have it, except now it's a .25 cal that shoots over 100 FPE.... :o
Bob
Sorry Bob but you where destined for the darkside a MILLENIUM PUMPER ago ;)... Think on Board pump small tank 50+fpe PCP... tossing 35g hollowpoint .25 BBT up around 850fps ... 8)
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Sorry Bob but you where destined for the darkside a MILLENIUM PUMPER ago ;)...
I see what you did there.
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Well my gateway was pumpers back in the 60's and then a friends dad modded a couple .22 pumpers for me to about 17 fpe( Felt like I had m baddest pumpers ever) back in the 80's... good short range Tools...
Friend gave a yardsale $25 1985 Daisy 953 to me a little while ago low serial... did not find out what I had till here, thought it was a put together... came here looking for pumper mods...seeing what had been done...
sunk about 500+ into a small fleet of 13xxs and hybrids; the Mk pump tube/valve is the one that deserves an external tank (thickest valve wall)...
Last year came the planned ,25 Mrod... and a bargain Buccaneer I just could not pass up...
Some one said I was hooked when I said my hello, I said you say that to all the...
Big tank or small tank it has been a long path of these pumpers... I wish for a PCP with 101 styling but heck this one is still very cool...
I realize what may be B*** ug** to me is appealing to others... just can not stand plastic flowers and the end of the stock is a plastic tulip...
why do the 12fpe crowd get the long 26" barrel and not us? :'( :'( :'( :-[
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I guess the specs that Pyramyd had when I posted before were in error, because it has changed ,now it states the barrel length is 26.25"...
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But Pyramyds sister company Airgun Depot still list the barrel length as 24.25"... ;)
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It is called a Schnable forend actually.
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I would like my plastic shnobble stock in the shiny brown faux wood variety.
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I would like it to have the quality of a K95 Blaser, but it probably won't happen. I would take a decent walnut stock with that stuling in a heartbeat. I don't care for the typical PCP boat paddle. More of a Daystate Huntsman style/quality stock
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Call it what you want it still looks like a plastic tulip... but hey stocks can be changed and I do have some walnut and maple... Now that I am pretty sure that it has a 26" barrel I would love one in .22... anyone interested in a Valve jr 5w head or Line 6 Spyder 15w amp..? ;)
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Bump, to resubscribe to this thread. Thought I'd already done that! Considering a Maximus, but, it would need to be QUIET...
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While talking about less noise, has anyone built a LDC for the Maximus yet? Yes, I know it isn't even available yet.
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While talking about less noise, has anyone built a LDC for the Maximus yet? Yes, I know it isn't even available yet.
This should work
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=102522.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=102522.0)
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The barrel is probably the same OD as a Disco. TKO might work. I might get 1 when they are available and get an LDC later
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I am super happy with TK muzzle brake. I have one on my Custom Shop 2400KT CO2 carbine . .177. Works great.
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While talking about less noise, has anyone built a LDC for the Maximus yet? Yes, I know it isn't even available yet.
This should work
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=102522.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=102522.0)
Thanks Kirby - and the barrel is supposed to be threaded already. That means no adapter needed. Win - win!
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well about the threaded barrel my attitude is to wait and see... I know what they said but..?
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Either the barrel is longer or the tube is shorter. If it retails at $199 I will have to buy one.
According to Pyramyd Air the barrel is listed as 26 inches long. The disco is 24.
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When I receive my income tax i may go ahead and pre order...Im trying to think of the possible mods...i know the ones id do is a mrod trigger group and spacer from DRS add and ldc of some sort(TKO should go ahead and make one for it) and thats about it from there id polish the internals myself and just shoot
Cant wait to here more
Cheers
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I just had a thought...a new disco is $259 and a refurb disco is $174. thats $85 off of msrp...so with my thinking could one imagine that gun being $114 bucks? that would be a still for that much.
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::) ::) Two Hawke Airmax 4 x 12 x 40 scopes from Tranier outdoors
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I see that Pyramyd Air now has the "In Stock" date set at June 16, 2016. Crosman still has May 20, 2016.
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So pushed back another month...geez...thats crazy i am going to look at buying at something else
Cheers
Jay
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So pushed back another month...geez...thats crazy i am going to look at buying at something else.
Cheers
Jay
I had been considering the Maximus. I bought the Mrodair .22 varmint instead. I'm really liking it so far. I haven't had a chance to stretch it out past 10 yards to see its accuracy performance. At 10 yards its ragged little one hole groups.
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So pushed back another month...geez...thats crazy i am going to look at buying at something else.
Cheers
Jay
I had been considering the Maximus. I bought the Mrodair .22 varmint instead. I'm really liking it so far. I haven't had a chance to stretch it out past 10 yards to see its accuracy performance. At 10 yards its ragged little one hole groups.
That is a nice alternative but I havent been all that happy with MRodair's support so far. So I will stick with someone with good customer service
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So pushed back another month...geez...thats crazy i am going to look at buying at something else.
Cheers
Jay
I had been considering the Maximus. I bought the Mrodair .22 varmint instead. I'm really liking it so far. I haven't had a chance to stretch it out past 10 yards to see its accuracy performance. At 10 yards its ragged little one hole groups.
That is a nice alternative but I havent been all that happy with MRodair's support so far. So I will stick with someone with good customer service
That's definitely a good point. I think it would be wise of Mrodair(Mike) to pay attention to us on this forum to improve his customer service. I hope that this rifle can also be sold by another US vendor. No issues so far but my rifle is only a couple of weeks old. I believe Mike T of tko has had some more hands on time with this rifle.
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So pushed back another month...geez...thats crazy i am going to look at buying at something else
Cheers
Jay
. So what product from M-Rod air has been released on time??
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So pushed back another month...geez...thats crazy i am going to look at buying at something else
Cheers
Jay
. So what product from M-Rod air has been released on time??
The product we are referring to is Crosman's Maximus
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So pushed back another month...geez...thats crazy i am going to look at buying at something else
Cheers
Jay
. So what product from M-Rod air has been released on time??
The product we are referring to is Crosman's Maximus
With the talk of buying something else because of the Maximus delay and also the talk of M-Rod air guns, possibly I jumped to the conclusion he was looking to buy the M-Rod air Varmint because of Crosman's delay, and I was stating that M-Rod air has had issues with delays. :o
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If ever you have had work done to your home, car, road in front of your house, the bride near home/work, etc. you realized that delays occur. The same thing happens with businesses introducing new products. Pyramyd Air may have some issues that will not allow for immediate delivery once they receive stock from Crosman. It certainly would be nice though if Pyramyd Air chimed in here and give us a little bit of news. What do you think?
The delay is not a big issue for me since I had not planned to have the rifle ready for Spring Squirrel Season anyway.
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It's possible the preorders are higher than suspected.?? Life will go on for me either way. FYI higher means more of them ordered, not speaking about price.
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$200 is high??? Im not sure what you mean by that. I believe the marauder is over priced due to the fact it is massed produced. And when ordering parts the most expensive thing is the stock....hmm i maybe wrong
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$200 is high??? Im not sure what you mean by that. I believe the marauder is over priced due to the fact it is massed produced. And when ordering parts the most expensive thing is the stock....hmm i maybe wrong
I think he means the volume of pre-orders, not the price. For example, maybe they were expecting 1,500 people to order and instead 10,000 ordered.
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$200 is high??? Im not sure what you mean by that. I believe the marauder is over priced due to the fact it is massed produced. And when ordering parts the most expensive thing is the stock....hmm i maybe wrong
I think he means the volume of pre-orders, not the price. For example, maybe they were expecting 1,500 people to order and instead 10,000 ordered.
X2, nothing was said about the price.
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Would be surprised it the market version had a threaded barrel...know they made some that length for the UK market (which wasn't too thrilled with the 12 foot pound version).
This one I think is going to be with an untheaded barrel and a Cr. 2260 type front sight.... but at least it's longer...so muzzle farther forward of the air tube...so better able to take a "fat" LDC without getting in the way of the fill hose.
Any way I look at it, the MAx has a nicer stock line...that fish-belly wood stock of a Disco has never pleased me.
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Would be surprised it the market version had a threaded barrel...know they made some that length for the UK market (which wasn't too thrilled with the 12 foot pound version).
This one I think is going to be with an untheaded barrel and a Cr. 2260 type front sight.... but at least it's longer...so muzzle farther forward of the air tube...so better able to take a "fat" LDC without getting in the way of the fill hose.
Any way I look at it, the MAx has a nicer stock line...that fish-belly wood stock of a Disco has never pleased me.
The US version will not have a threaded barrel. Chip Hunnicut has confirmed that detail.
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Is " will not" like, I will not reply to this post?
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Wont know until it comes out. All things are speculation
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Would be surprised it the market version had a threaded barrel...know they made some that length for the UK market (which wasn't too thrilled with the 12 foot pound version).
This one I think is going to be with an untheaded barrel and a Cr. 2260 type front sight.... but at least it's longer...so muzzle farther forward of the air tube...so better able to take a "fat" LDC without getting in the way of the fill hose.
Any way I look at it, the MAx has a nicer stock line...that fish-belly wood stock of a Disco has never pleased me.
Not idea why, but I've always liked that look on them. I hope to be able to get one myself some time in the future.
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Wont know until it comes out. All things are speculation
The details about the barrel are known. Chip Hunnicut has confirmed the details. The US version will not be threaded. You can read it for yourself here:
http://www.airgunnation.com/topic/maximus-pre-order-comes-w-free-ammo-case/#post-65687 (http://www.airgunnation.com/topic/maximus-pre-order-comes-w-free-ammo-case/#post-65687)
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Am I correct that the new Maximus is a bolt action single shot, while the Marauder and Discovery are repeaters?
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Am I correct that the new Maximus is a bolt action single shot, while the Marauder and Discovery are repeaters?
The Marauder is a repeater. The Disco and Maximus are both single shot.
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Okay! Thanks for that, ztirffritz!!
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Am I correct that the new Maximus is a bolt action single shot, while the Marauder and Discovery are repeaters?
Although the Discovery comes from Crosman as a single shot rifle there is an after market breech available
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https://www.pyramydair.com/product/benjamin-maximus-air-rifle?m=3910 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/benjamin-maximus-air-rifle?m=3910) <--- Maximus
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/benjamin-discovery-air-rifle?m=1543 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/benjamin-discovery-air-rifle?m=1543) <--- Discovery
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/benjamin-marauder-mrod-air-rifle-combo?m=3541 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/benjamin-marauder-mrod-air-rifle-combo?m=3541) <--- Marauder
You might find this helpful. You can see the "Specifications" of each rifle and compare.
You're welcome!
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BNM makes a breach and shroud for the disco. I wonder if they will make one for the maximus.
Cheers
Jay
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will have to wait for the parts list to be certain, but off pictures, it looks like a disco with a different barrel, stock and front sight.
If thats it, the current BNM option will work.
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will have to wait for the parts list to be certain, but off pictures, it looks like a disco with a different barrel, stock and front sight.
If thats it, the current BNM option will work.
Disco with a 26" barrel. BNM would just need to make a longer shroud. BNM breech will work.
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is 26" necessary? is there ay more gain?
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is 26" necessary? is there ay more gain?
I'll let you know once I get one. Looking at the .177. I can compare it to my son's .177 24" barrel.
Joe
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is 26" necessary? is there ay more gain?
There will probably be a gain of 10-15 fps with a stock valve.
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Brian, according to the published figures, the velocity of the Maximus (850 FPS) is 50 FPS slower than the Discovery (900 FPS).
I know. I KNOW! It doesn't make any sense to me either.
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Makes sense if it gets more shots.
I think I read here that the current disco has way too much hammer strike and as such get a nasty bell curve for a few shots. Reducing that flattens the curve and gains shots.
If crosman is finally going to tune for something other than the highest number they can get on the box, I think we should all be pretty happy about that.
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Brian, according to the published figures, the velocity of the Maximus (850 FPS) is 50 FPS slower than the Discovery (900 FPS).
I know. I KNOW! It doesn't make any sense to me either.
Actually in a way that is great news,
think about it what does everyone complain about with the disco?
and then what do they do to it?
they cut the hammer spring lower the fps just a little and double their shot count.
So it possible maybe that cromsan has combined a 26in barrel and slightly slower fps
so they might actually get those 30 shots per fill.
Edit: you beat me to it StevenG ;D
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Great minds think alike is all :)
If Crosman has finally made this discovery then maybe there is hope for their competition too!
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Well if the Maximus is gaining shot count, then it is just the re-visited Discovery from a few years back when they did get shot count and not to much power. I would prefer that myself and then tune up from there if so desired.
Joe
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It looks quite interesting to me, specifically for a base gun to build from. The tube is 135cc so Disco tube, disco trigger, less expensive stock. Like someone else stated, just get the M-Rod trigger (1763A105 $48.73) add the spacer, and there you have your nice trigger. The one thing I find funny is the Challenger uses the exact same trigger assembly right down to the part number but they don't have a spacer on it. I guess the few that broke a sear figured out the few mills of extra space prevented the issue. Since I have a custom disco build in progress, this might be a more cost effective method to finish gathering the rest of the parts, before I drop the coin for the Boyds stock I was planing on using. I also personally like the Syn stock, and the slight weight reduction. Might just wait for someone to get some referbs in, and snatch up a couple to play with. It makes a lot of sense for Crosman to use as many off the shelf parts as possible and only have to invest in one more injection mold for the stocks rather than re-tool to make a new low entry price rifle.
Casey
P.S. Just posting my thought so I can keep up with the thread..
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Has this thing even come out yet, or was it another idea that went into the trash?
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It's out...we have a few that posted about it and even have reviews in the Review Gate. I bought one and will be massaging it a bit before it goes up for GTA raffle.
:)
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Good. I'm glad they followed through.
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Has this thing even come out yet, or was it another idea that went into the trash?
Jacob, this is the review I wrote ---> June 2016 The Benjamin Maximus .22 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=110457.0)
Here is another ---> Benjamin Maximus Review (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=110613.0)
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Got mine in. I will let you know what i think compared to my disco. Both .22 cal
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I didn't see this thread. I was able to send my Maximus back to Crosman Thursday. As soon as i receive my new one i will be doing a complete review. I just do a velocity test vet as i don't have a chronograph. I will include the pictures that i took of the damage on my original Maximus in 22 caliber. That gun should have never left the factory. >:(
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It's got good reviews, and it stacks against the disco well. But after seeing the fps I don't think I'll be getting one. My Steroid BlueStreak does the same but I just gotta pump it. And it's every bit as accurate without fail. I guess I found my niche, which is pumpers. I look forward to the hunting videos though for sure
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It's got good reviews, and it stacks against the disco well. But after seeing the fps I don't think I'll be getting one. My Steroid BlueStreak does the same but I just gotta pump it. And it's every bit as accurate without fail. I guess I found my niche, which is pumpers. I look forward to the hunting videos though for sure
I like shooting 15-20 shots without having to pump! I will be keeping my PCP's! How fast does the 392 shoot 21 grain pellets? A power adjuster will crank up the power with a turn of the screw. That's why they make pumpers, springers, and PCP's.
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I too just ordered one for my wife. I also ordered 5" TKO .will run a first test at 20 yards with JSB 18. 3 grn.
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I too just ordered one for my wife. I also ordered 5" TKO .will run a first test at 20 yards with JSB 18. 3 grn.
I ordered a 5" TKO, and will order a .22 Maximus on Friday to get free shipping along with the 25% discount that is being offered :-)
I also ordered 1.5 long x .30OD x .42 Spring to get a better bell curve for this gun and my other two Disco's.
wll2506
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What size are the Maximus valve screws ... 8x32 or 10 x 32 ?.... apparently by some accounts the valve screw size have changed or the gun can't be modified as the valve/tube is not strong enough ?
wll2506