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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => American/U.S. Air Gun Gates => Topic started by: del on December 30, 2015, 01:47:17 PM
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Years ago a TV showed that a screwdriver tip dipped in motor oil could be held by the thumb and finger, while one dipped in STP was too slippery to grip. Many of us proved it to ourselves. I recently added some STP to my 30 wt. air gun oil and found they pump noticeably smoother and easier.
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Years ago a TV showed that a screwdriver tip dipped in motor oil could be held by the thumb and finger, while one dipped in STP was too slippery to grip. Many of us proved it to ourselves. I recently added some STP to my 30 wt. air gun oil and found they pump noticeably smoother and easier.
There's a reason why you only use non detergent 30wt oil and I assume that chemicals like ZDDP is one of them. I couldn't find much about the effect of ZDDP on plastic and rubber? I did read that it's designed to bond to steel. There's conflicting information about the benefits or possible damage it does in a car engine? If I were you I would shoot that stuff through your rifle and buy some Secrete Sauce from Mac1.
Maybe someone else will chime in that knows a little more about it. Until you know more I wouldn't use any more of it.
Bryan
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I have always been under the impression that petroleum based oils will ruin the seals in air guns and that either silcone or plant or animal based oils should be used..????
Is it Ok to use non-detergent 30wt oil?
Before I knew better I ruined seals in two of my old pump Benji rifles using 3inOne oil in them.
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You have spent a lot of money on an air gun why not spend a little more for the best lube around. Secret Sauce ! :D
http://www.mac1airgunshop.com/secret-sauce-small-dripper-2-fl-oz-p/m1ss2po.htm (http://www.mac1airgunshop.com/secret-sauce-small-dripper-2-fl-oz-p/m1ss2po.htm)
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I use Crosman Pelgunoil and a silicone oil which is recommended for a chamber lube also after a couple thousand shots, never had a single issue with this lube which can be used on every single part of the air rifle inside and out as far as the hinge points and the chamber.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ELITE-AIRGUN-COMPRESSION-CHAMBER-OIL-1OZ-BOTTLE-/221434754432?hash=item338e8a3580:g:XAgAAOxynhFRDBZI (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ELITE-AIRGUN-COMPRESSION-CHAMBER-OIL-1OZ-BOTTLE-/221434754432?hash=item338e8a3580:g:XAgAAOxynhFRDBZI)
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Years ago a TV showed that a screwdriver tip dipped in motor oil could be held by the thumb and finger, while one dipped in STP was too slippery to grip. Many of us proved it to ourselves. I recently added some STP to my 30 wt. air gun oil and found they pump noticeably smoother and easier.
There's a reason why you only use non detergent 30wt oil and I assume that chemicals like ZDDP is one of them. I couldn't find much about the effect of ZDDP on plastic and rubber? I did read that it's designed to bond to steel. There's conflicting information about the benefits or possible damage it does in a car engine? If I were you I would shoot that stuff through your rifle and buy some Secrete Sauce from Mac1.
Maybe someone else will chime in that knows a little more about it. Until you know more I wouldn't use any more of it.
Bryan
I used to use STP in older cars I had from the 70s & early 80s but with the current engine technology with variable valve timing systems and close tolerances, it is best not to use any additives and only use the oil grade specified by the manufacturer or it may not run at it's best efficiency or cause driveability issues.
Anyway, to the original post STP is basically an oil thickener and because of the heavier film, it is harder to grip the screwdriver than if it had just plain oil on it.
ZDDP is a zinc and phosphorus additive that helped wear prevention on older vehicles with flat tappet camshafts (link below has detailed info on ZDDP). EPA has mandated removal of most of the ZDDP in modern oils for emissions reasons so if you have a car from the mid 80s or older, it would be beneficial to add some ZDDP to your oil. Not sure what effect STP or ZDDP may have on an airgun. Depends on where you are putting it though. Might react with the rubber or plastic parts over time I think.
http://classiccars.about.com/od/maintenancetips/a/Zddp-Debunking-The-Urban-Legend-This-Motor-Oil-Additive.htm (http://classiccars.about.com/od/maintenancetips/a/Zddp-Debunking-The-Urban-Legend-This-Motor-Oil-Additive.htm)
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I have always been under the impression that petroleum based oils will ruin the seals in air guns and that either silcone or plant or animal based oils should be used..????
Is it Ok to use non-detergent 30wt oil?
Before I knew better I ruined seals in two of my old pump Benji rifles using 3inOne oil in them.
Non-detergent 30wt motor oil works just fine in multi pump air guns and will not harm the seals.
Bryan
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I have always been under the impression that petroleum based oils will ruin the seals in air guns and that either silcone or plant or animal based oils should be used..????
Is it Ok to use non-detergent 30wt oil?
Before I knew better I ruined seals in two of my old pump Benji rifles using 3inOne oil in them.
Non-detergent 30wt motor oil works just fine in multi pump air guns and will not harm the seals.
Bryan
+1 && was the factory recommended oil for years.
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I have always been under the impression that petroleum based oils will ruin the seals in air guns and that either silcone or plant or animal based oils should be used..????
Is it Ok to use non-detergent 30wt oil?
Before I knew better I ruined seals in two of my old pump Benji rifles using 3inOne oil in them.
Non-detergent 30wt motor oil works just fine in multi pump air guns and will not harm the seals.
Bryan
Thank you for the info.
Good to know this.
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I have always been under the impression that petroleum based oils will ruin the seals in air guns and that either silcone or plant or animal based oils should be used..????
Is it Ok to use non-detergent 30wt oil?
Before I knew better I ruined seals in two of my old pump Benji rifles using 3inOne oil in them.
Non-detergent 30wt motor oil works just fine in multi pump air guns and will not harm the seals.
Bryan
+1 && was the factory recommended oil for years.
what is <+1 && > ?
Thanks
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I have always been under the impression that petroleum based oils will ruin the seals in air guns and that either silcone or plant or animal based oils should be used..????
Is it Ok to use non-detergent 30wt oil?
Before I knew better I ruined seals in two of my old pump Benji rifles using 3inOne oil in them.
Non-detergent 30wt motor oil works just fine in multi pump air guns and will not harm the seals.
Bryan
+1 && was the factory recommended oil for years.
what is <+1 && > ?
Thanks
non detergent 30 weight motor oil
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I have always been under the impression that petroleum based oils will ruin the seals in air guns and that either silcone or plant or animal based oils should be used..????
Is it Ok to use non-detergent 30wt oil?
Before I knew better I ruined seals in two of my old pump Benji rifles using 3inOne oil in them.
Non-detergent 30wt motor oil works just fine in multi pump air guns and will not harm the seals.
Bryan
+1 && was the factory recommended oil for years.
what is <+1 && > ?
Thanks
non detergent 30 weight motor oil
nd 10w30 is exactly what's recommended in the Daisy manuals. I would still be using it if I didn't get 2 bottles of SS in my reseal kits.
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nd 10w30 is exactly what's recommended in the Daisy manuals. I would still be using it if I didn't get 2 bottles of SS in my reseal kits.
Maybe it's just a pet peeve of mine, but you continually tell people that Daisy recommends ND 10w30. Daisy does NOT recommend this.
The designation 10w30 indicates a "multi weight oil". There are very few ND multi weight oils. (I've only even seen one and it was in the lawn and garden section of Home Depot and I think it was 10w40 IIRC)
Daisy recommends ND oil in 10, 20 or 30 Weight. What I fear happening here is that readers will not have the "attention to detail" (as brought up by StonyKill) and see 10W30 on the oil and think that it is Non-Detergent.
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nd 10w30 is exactly what's recommended in the Daisy manuals. I would still be using it if I didn't get 2 bottles of SS in my reseal kits.
Maybe it's just a pet peeve of mine, but you continually tell people that Daisy recommends ND 10w30. Daisy does NOT recommend this.
The designation 10w30 indicates a "multi weight oil". There are very few ND multi weight oils. (I've only even seen one and it was in the lawn and garden section of Home Depot and I think it was 10w40 IIRC)
Daisy recommends ND oil in 10, 20 or 30 Weight. What I fear happening here is that readers will not have the "attention to detail" (as brought up by StonyKill) and see 10W30 on the oil and think that it is Non-Detergent.
It isn't just you. This could lead to failed guns potentially, with people putting high detergent or synthetic oils in their air guns.
Non detergent 30 prefer'd, by many of us, but the Daisy manual says, as Rob points out, non detergent 10 weight, non detergent 20 weight, or non detergent 30 weight. Details matter.
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I switched over from Crosman's "Pellgunoil", to 30 weight nondetergent oil, maybe a year ago in all of my multipumpers. They are all working just fine. The Pellgunoil is crazy expensive. $2.99 for 1/4 ounce, as opposed to
http://www.amazon.com/Crosman-Pellgunoil-Air-Lubricating-ounces/dp/B0002IL6M6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1454274287&sr=8-1&keywords=pellgunoil (http://www.amazon.com/Crosman-Pellgunoil-Air-Lubricating-ounces/dp/B0002IL6M6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1454274287&sr=8-1&keywords=pellgunoil)
Ace Hardware has 30 wt ND oil for about $4.50 for a whole quart. There are 32 fluid ounces in a quart. Pellgunoil come in a quarter of asn ounce tube. So, 4x32=128. A quart has 128 times more oil than a tube of Pellgunoil. At $2.99for a tube, that's $2.99 x 128= $383.72. You'd spend $383.72 in buying enough Pellgunoil to equal a quart of 30wt ND oil that you can buy for $4.49.
Let's say that 30 wt ND oil destroyed my Crosman Model 66, which I bought new for $40.00. For the savings I get using 30 wt ND oil, I could buy nine new Model 66's. And, the 30 wt ND oil is keeping my airguns running like finely tuned watches.
Now, the ND oil isn't red like Pellgunoil. Is the difference in color worth $380?? Not to me. Buy yourself a little drop at a time oil can, a quart of 30 wt ND oil from Ace (or wherever), and you are set for many years of shooting. Mark that 30 wt oil bottle "ND" in big letters, so you don't accidently grab a bottle of a detergent oil when you fill that oil can.
You could buy yourself a really nice air rifle with the money you save. You could almost get a new Benjamin Discovery PCP air rifler, WITH the hand pump, for what you are saving. Hey, that would be a good argument for me to use as to why I need a new airgun...............to the wife , of course........
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I switched over from Crosman's "Pellgunoil", to 30 weight nondetergent oil, maybe a year ago in all of my multipumpers. They are all working just fine. The Pellgunoil is crazy expensive. $2.99 for 1/4 ounce, as opposed to
http://www.amazon.com/Crosman-Pellgunoil-Air-Lubricating-ounces/dp/B0002IL6M6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1454274287&sr=8-1&keywords=pellgunoil (http://www.amazon.com/Crosman-Pellgunoil-Air-Lubricating-ounces/dp/B0002IL6M6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1454274287&sr=8-1&keywords=pellgunoil)
Ace Hardware has 30 wt ND oil for about $4.50 for a whole quart. There are 32 fluid ounces in a quart. Pellgunoil come in a quarter of asn ounce tube. So, 4x32=128. A quart has 128 times more oil than a tube of Pellgunoil. At $2.99for a tube, that's $2.99 x 128= $383.72. You'd spend $383.72 in buying enough Pellgunoil to equal a quart of 30wt ND oil that you can buy for $4.49.
Let's say that 30 wt ND oil destroyed my Crosman Model 66, which I bought new for $40.00. For the savings I get using 30 wt ND oil, I could buy nine new Model 66's. And, the 30 wt ND oil is keeping my airguns running like finely tuned watches.
Now, the ND oil isn't red like Pellgunoil. Is the difference in color worth $380?? Not to me. Buy yourself a little drop at a time oil can, a quart of 30 wt ND oil from Ace (or wherever), and you are set for many years of shooting. Mark that 30 wt oil bottle "ND" in big letters, so you don't accidently grab a bottle of a detergent oil when you fill that oil can.
You could buy yourself a really nice air rifle with the money you save. You could almost get a new Benjamin Discovery PCP air rifler, WITH the hand pump, for what you are saving. Hey, that would be a good argument for me to use as to why I need a new airgun...............to the wife , of course........
Granted, ND 30 wt oil is much cheaper and just as good as Pellgun Oil, but you aren't going to save hundreds of dollars using it. You'll never use a quart if you live to be a 100.
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I switched over from Crosman's "Pellgunoil", to 30 weight nondetergent oil, maybe a year ago in all of my multipumpers. They are all working just fine. The Pellgunoil is crazy expensive. $2.99 for 1/4 ounce, as opposed to
http://www.amazon.com/Crosman-Pellgunoil-Air-Lubricating-ounces/dp/B0002IL6M6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1454274287&sr=8-1&keywords=pellgunoil (http://www.amazon.com/Crosman-Pellgunoil-Air-Lubricating-ounces/dp/B0002IL6M6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1454274287&sr=8-1&keywords=pellgunoil)
Ace Hardware has 30 wt ND oil for about $4.50 for a whole quart. There are 32 fluid ounces in a quart. Pellgunoil come in a quarter of asn ounce tube. So, 4x32=128. A quart has 128 times more oil than a tube of Pellgunoil. At $2.99for a tube, that's $2.99 x 128= $383.72. You'd spend $383.72 in buying enough Pellgunoil to equal a quart of 30wt ND oil that you can buy for $4.49.
Let's say that 30 wt ND oil destroyed my Crosman Model 66, which I bought new for $40.00. For the savings I get using 30 wt ND oil, I could buy nine new Model 66's. And, the 30 wt ND oil is keeping my airguns running like finely tuned watches.
Now, the ND oil isn't red like Pellgunoil. Is the difference in color worth $380?? Not to me. Buy yourself a little drop at a time oil can, a quart of 30 wt ND oil from Ace (or wherever), and you are set for many years of shooting. Mark that 30 wt oil bottle "ND" in big letters, so you don't accidently grab a bottle of a detergent oil when you fill that oil can.
You could buy yourself a really nice air rifle with the money you save. You could almost get a new Benjamin Discovery PCP air rifler, WITH the hand pump, for what you are saving. Hey, that would be a good argument for me to use as to why I need a new airgun...............to the wife , of course........
Granted, ND 30 wt oil is much cheaper and just as good as Pellgun Oil, but you aren't going to save hundreds of dollars using it. You'll never use a quart if you live to be a 100.
Guess that depends on how many pumpers you own, and work on for others. I have been averaging a quart a year 8)
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Holy cow, I thought I shot a lot. I shoot about 1,000 rounds a month and I think I used the same tube of Pellgun Oil for two years!
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You have spent a lot of money on an air gun why not spend a little more for the best lube around. Secret Sauce ! :D
http://www.mac1airgunshop.com/secret-sauce-small-dripper-2-fl-oz-p/m1ss2po.htm (http://www.mac1airgunshop.com/secret-sauce-small-dripper-2-fl-oz-p/m1ss2po.htm)
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Holy cow, I thought I shot a lot. I shoot about 1,000 rounds a month and I think I used the same tube of Pellgun Oil for two years!
The pic below is only about 1/2 of my pumpers. Even the ones that don't get used much, need the foam wiper oiled at least once a month, as they dry out. Especially in the winter with our wood heat. Plus taking care of others neglected guns, etc etc. Then hunting and just daily shooting to stay sharp.
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We always called it motor honey. Lots of used car lots probably used it to temporarily stop lifters from ticking and rods from knocking.
I got pelgun oil for the crosmans and some kind of light colored 30W in a small plastic bottle for the others. When they quit shooting they'll get overhauled.
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You have spent a lot of money on an air gun why not spend a little more for the best lube around. Secret Sauce ! :D
http://www.mac1airgunshop.com/secret-sauce-small-dripper-2-fl-oz-p/m1ss2po.htm (http://www.mac1airgunshop.com/secret-sauce-small-dripper-2-fl-oz-p/m1ss2po.htm)
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