700 yds on Steel-Noe 83 gr

[jimreed1948]

Placed the 500 meter RAM at the 300 yd berm for 700 yds...It is getting more difficult as i go out further, the target is SMALLER....NRA competition, the target is larger as distance increases.

I'm not quite following this.  So you're shooting a reduced silhouette target at 300 yards, correct?  This would be the equivalent of shooting a the full size target at 700 yards correct?

That's very good shooting with an air rifle, but I don't think I would say I'm hitting something at 700 yards away when it's really on 300 yards away.  In the military, if you shoot a midget at 300 yards, is it the equivalent of shooting the same midget at 700 yards?  No it isn't.

Take note of what Cedric is shooting.  He is shooting coke cans at very long distances and he post the distance that he is actually shooting, not the reduce distance due to the size of the object.

If I totally missed what you're doing, I apologize in advance.  I just think the shot take should be posted at it's TRUE distance.

The SHOT WAS posted at the TRUE SHOOTING DISTANCE...700 yds......If you would READ the first poster GIPPETO was confused and i explained in DETAIL what a 1000 yd range WAS and the berm placing starting at the 100 yd all way back to 1000 yard benches. SIXSHOOTERTEXAN then explained it to you again....It is NOT A REDUCE SIZE RAM.....It is the 500 meter FULL SIZED RAM but when shooting it at 700 yds it is same size, but the increased DISTANCE MAKES IT LOOK SMALLER from the gun...My title is correct...Shooting from the 1000 yd benches and target placed upon the 300 yd berm, that is 700 yds TO THAT BERM......I also placed RAM on the 200 yd berm which is 800 yds from the gun....Obviously you don't shoot long range and don't understand what one looks like? .........I shoot F-Class with Powder to 1000 yds and these ranges are quite simple....If you also looked at the ZOOMED VIDEO showing gun and OUT TO THE RAM and you would see how far it really is.................Anyway it is way out there.....Go back and read my post to GIPPETO and quite clear to me anyway...........Thanks for replying...........Carl 

You are correct.  I was confused when I read it.  Don't get your panties in a wad.

That was excellent marksman ship.  I doubt if I could make the shot. 

Are you going to try for the 1000 yd mark anytime soon.  What were your wind conditions at the time.

[Tofazfou]

Just kinda chiming in here that for those that don't fully understand this, shooting this far is extremely hard.  EXTREMELY!  I don't and have never shot 1000 yard competition and this gentleman does.  And he has said how hard this is.  For me, shooting out to 400-500 yards is hard so i can ONLY imagine how much harder 200-300 ADDITONAL yards is.

Its funny too that, cause i shoot out to 400 yards often, im extremely comfortable shooting and hitting things at 200-300.  And i don't mean POT SHOOTING or LOBBING.  I mean doing it accurately.  Eggs on golf tees at 200 yards accurate.  At those ranges, the wind plays a big role.  When you get to 400 yards +- with airguns, then wind is more punishing.  And this plays on you mentally.  PUSHING OUT TO 700 YARDS wind must make it seem like the targets are doing the "MATRIX" as the bullets whizzzzz by......lol!

I give Carl and Bluethunder much Kudos for even attempting these feats...........................

Keep up the good work and one of these dang days i will have a long range session and join you..........

[rifle50]

Hitting that ram at 700 yards with an airgun is just crazy. Excellent long distance air rifle build. Awesome shooting.

Its hard to believe how far airguns have come in the last few years.

Thanks on GUN compliment. It was a labor of love. The distance i keep pushing to just find out how far it can go boggles my mind and is what keeps me pushing the distance to just see....>I have shot for almost 65 years but NEW to AIRGUNS since Feb of this year........What i read and have learned DOING, the advancement that i see of what The gun is capable of belongs to DOUG NOBLE...Without his inventiveness and capabilities to make HIS VALVE, this super distance with air would not be possible with a CONDOR anyway....His VALVE gives the necessary volume of HP air to send the heavy lead bullets at their best flight, just short of supersonic..........IMO anyway...........Thanks.............Carl

[LEE IN VA.]

Rifle50
I you dont mind me asking what is the accuracy at 100yds also what pressure are you filling to and what shot count are you getting out of your setup.

Yeah I too would like to see some groups at 100-200 yds.  Great shooting!

[rifle50]

Rifle50
I you dont mind me asking what is the accuracy at 100yds also what pressure are you filling to and what shot count are you getting out of your setup.

I fill from 3200 with 62 gr, 3450 for 71 gr, 3500 and 3700 for 83 & 90 grain bullets. Have gone to 4000 psi but accuracy goes bad....I don't have a shot count as i ALWAYS shoot tethered and regulated so until my big tank runs down   At around 3400 psi I can shoot over 200 shots....When first started and 3400 psi, i got around 6 shots before dropped to bad and with a 53 cu in tank on other gun, same type build,  i have in ULTIMA STOCK, i had nice curve and 8-10 GOOD SHOT CURVE. Gun is strictly built for BENCH.........Below I included some decent 100 yd pics of different bullets and dates..  It CAN SHOOT but won't do this on every time out......But it SHOOTS, and i have better than MOA at 220 yds too posted on another thread.........One with aspirin tablet was 7 shots. First one was RIGHT and then 6 with 2 into one hole that seen easily on original target..Then below that some at my ranges far rail at 220 yards........CARL

[rifle50]

Placed the 500 meter RAM at the 300 yd berm for 700 yds...It is getting more difficult as i go out further, the target is SMALLER....NRA competition, the target is larger as distance increases.

I'm not quite following this.  So you're shooting a reduced silhouette target at 300 yards, correct?  This would be the equivalent of shooting a the full size target at 700 yards correct?

That's very good shooting with an air rifle, but I don't think I would say I'm hitting something at 700 yards away when it's really on 300 yards away.  In the military, if you shoot a midget at 300 yards, is it the equivalent of shooting the same midget at 700 yards?  No it isn't.

Take note of what Cedric is shooting.  He is shooting coke cans at very long distances and he post the distance that he is actually shooting, not the reduce distance due to the size of the object.

If I totally missed what you're doing, I apologize in advance.  I just think the shot take should be posted at it's TRUE distance.

The SHOT WAS posted at the TRUE SHOOTING DISTANCE...700 yds......If you would READ the first poster GIPPETO was confused and i explained in DETAIL what a 1000 yd range WAS and the berm placing starting at the 100 yd all way back to 1000 yard benches. SIXSHOOTERTEXAN then explained it to you again....It is NOT A REDUCE SIZE RAM.....It is the 500 meter FULL SIZED RAM but when shooting it at 700 yds it is same size, but the increased DISTANCE MAKES IT LOOK SMALLER from the gun...My title is correct...Shooting from the 1000 yd benches and target placed upon the 300 yd berm, that is 700 yds TO THAT BERM......I also placed RAM on the 200 yd berm which is 800 yds from the gun....Obviously you don't shoot long range and don't understand what one looks like? .........I shoot F-Class with Powder to 1000 yds and these ranges are quite simple....If you also looked at the ZOOMED VIDEO showing gun and OUT TO THE RAM and you would see how far it really is.................Anyway it is way out there.....Go back and read my post to GIPPETO and quite clear to me anyway...........Thanks for replying...........Carl 

You are correct.  I was confused when I read it.  Don't get your panties in a wad.

That was excellent marksman ship.  I doubt if I could make the shot. 

Are you going to try for the 1000 yd mark anytime soon.  What were your wind conditions at the time.

Glad you understand NOW.....My panties do NOT get in a wad, as i understood perfectly Thanks for compliment but anyone with any long range ability with my bench set up tools could make the shots...It is NOT easy with AIR at distances no one has experience shooting at and is a LOT more difficult than my 1000 yd built custom F-CLASS guns for sure.....Wind was fairly calm as i set up before sun up and was as good a day as could be for first couple hrs...I was real lucky as wind CAN BE VERY DIFFICULT at Coalinga...Have shot long range there since Mid Nineties........

Although the computer sheets say bullet will still be about 550 fps with Lyman 71 grain at 1000 yds, the MOA needed would be over 200, and without a special riser made tilted with this in it, I would see end of barrel in scope from the tilt forward....So the gun will shoot that far but accuracy would be a mess and i really don't plan on much beyond 800 if at all.......Already shot 800 yds, but need some adjustments and get a better video for that..........Cheers, thanks for your participation..............Carl

[rifle50]

Just kinda chiming in here that for those that don't fully understand this, shooting this far is extremely hard.  EXTREMELY!  I don't and have never shot 1000 yard competition and this gentleman does.  And he has said how hard this is.  For me, shooting out to 400-500 yards is hard so i can ONLY imagine how much harder 200-300 ADDITONAL yards is.

Its funny too that, cause i shoot out to 400 yards often, im extremely comfortable shooting and hitting things at 200-300.  And i don't mean POT SHOOTING or LOBBING.  I mean doing it accurately.  Eggs on golf tees at 200 yards accurate.  At those ranges, the wind plays a big role.  When you get to 400 yards +- with airguns, then wind is more punishing.  And this plays on you mentally.  PUSHING OUT TO 700 YARDS wind must make it seem like the targets are doing the "MATRIX" as the bullets whizzzzz by......lol!

I give Carl and Bluethunder much Kudos for even attempting these feats...........................

Keep up the good work and one of these dang days i will have a long range session and join you..........

Thanks for jumping in, AnyTIME...........Your guns will reach out there now...........Difficult with getting the MOA needed....Also with energy being a lot less than powder the hits don't explode dust easily and need a good sized bare spot to spot WHERE THE ELEVATION is to spot the shots........That alone is inhibiting me.......I could change the end zone which would be nice but then would have to lay prone and that is why i am not shooting F-Class now...Crippled in back, bad hips and painful to lay PRONE.....Next OPTION is a portable, sturdy shooting bench but cheapest SOLID one i found is $450 and don't want to spend that to just shoot the CONDOR 2-3 times to find MY MAXIMUM DISTANCE?? Once i find what that is for my rifle, i will be DONE doing it.......Then it will be just at the regular range and no more than 220 yds. It is convenient an local range...Coalinga is 140 miles round trip each time and it isn't all that fun aft er you have done it??

Carl

[rifle50]

Rifle50
I you dont mind me asking what is the accuracy at 100yds also what pressure are you filling to and what shot count are you getting out of your setup.

Yeah I too would like to see some groups at 100-200 yds.  Great shooting!

See response to sniperM as i post about 7 pics of groups at 100 and 220 yds............Thanks...........Carl

[Tofazfou]

Thanks for jumping in, AnyTIME...........Your guns will reach out there now...........Difficult with getting the MOA needed....Also with energy being a lot less than powder the hits don't explode dust easily and need a good sized bare spot to spot WHERE THE ELEVATION is to spot the shots

Carl
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Yep, thats why my next purchase is some adjustable scope rings for the TD257.  Then i will start playing more long range games.

[jimreed1948]

Thanks for posting the pictures of your groups along with the information on bullet weight.  That's very helpful to those of us that are thinking about going to the .257 as well.

In your video I see the regulator you are tethered to.  Can you post where you bought it from?

[SniperM]

Thanks Rifle50 for the response and the info. I am shooting a Condor with Dougs valve and a TJ 257 barrel and maddog stock and carbon bottle. Some days the gun and i will get along real good the next day just can not get it down to what I like. I have never shot tethered and would imagine that it could help out to keep each shoot close  without the drop after 5-6 shoots. May give this a try and see what would change.Again thanks.

[Tofazfou]

Thanks Rifle50 for the response and the info. I am shooting a Condor with Dougs valve and a TJ 257 barrel and maddog stock and carbon bottle. Some days the gun and i will get along real good the next day just can not get it down to what I like. I have never shot tethered and would imagine that it could help out to keep each shoot close  without the drop after 5-6 shoots. May give this a try and see what would change.Again thanks.

Guys,

you can buy regulators from Joe Brancato or off EBAY.  Same regs at both places.  Its gold and black.

SniperM, YES SIR a regulator is really required.  let me tell you from experience.  I've had the gun tuned at 900 fps then about 975 then 1010 fps.  I also had the OEM AF tank when the gun was at 900 fps and i only got 5 shots from a fill.  Once you get into high 900's or 1000s fps, you need a regulator.  I have a 868ci tank on my gun and i can get 10 good shots before things get into the lower mildots but the gun will actually continue to shoot forever believe it or not.  The lower the pressure in my tank, the faster the valve opens and closes due to rebounding.  But back to the point.  With a reg shooting tethered, you should NOT have any more OFF days with your gun.  Well, unless you are the one thats just off that day.......lol!  With my power settings (speeds) and weight sorted bullets, and hooked up to a CF tank via the reg, my shoots hover between 1007-1012 fps and thats with bullets that are weight sorted between 70.0-70.9 grs.  If i sort down to .5 grain weights, then the extreme spread is even less.  If you anal, you can really get down to some small groups and small fps spreads by sorting slugs to the exact same weight.  But that's a little tedious.  .5 a grain is a much as i can tolerate and its good enough for me.  Within 1 grain is what i do mostly and gets me through any adventure................

[Tofazfou]

Carl,

Can you give me a email at Tofazfou@gmail.com.  I would like to add some of your guns pictures and story to my .257 dedication page on the TAG forum.

[jimreed1948]

Cedric
you can buy regulators from Joe Brancato or off EBAY.  Same regs at both places.  Its gold and black.

I've seen the one that Joe list and it's around $200 more than the one on ebay.  But now that I would like to buy one, I can't find it on ebay.  Any idea of the website or company name?

[TPL]

Just wonderful shooting. But guys, may I recommend you to make yourself a favor and get a booster. Here you can see my maybe quite confusing setup (click the picture to see bigger image):



I have automated it and when have 2 tanks, one for shooting pressure and one for power up the booster it feels like eternity you can shoot with just two tanks. Also you can go very low pressure in tanks and still have full pressure for gun. After booster a regulator, of course.

Automation means that I don't have to touch it at all, it keeps up the pressure until one of the tanks is totally empty. Regulator keeps gun fully pressurized until that.

[Tofazfou]

Just wonderful shooting. But guys, may I recommend you to make yourself a favor and get a booster. Here you can see my maybe quite confusing setup (click the picture to see bigger image):



I have automated it and when have 2 tanks, one for shooting pressure and one for power up the booster it feels like eternity you can shoot with just two tanks. Also you can go very low pressure in tanks and still have full pressure for gun. After booster a regulator, of course.

Automation means that I don't have to touch it at all, it keeps up the pressure until one of the tanks is totally empty. Regulator keeps gun fully pressurized until that.

Booster would be cool and I WANT ONE but yet again, its more stuff to spend more money on that i don't have.

[SniperM]

Hey Cedric I sent you an email.

Just wonderful shooting. But guys, may I recommend you to make yourself a favor and get a booster. Here you can see my maybe quite confusing setup (click the picture to see bigger image):



I have automated it and when have 2 tanks, one for shooting pressure and one for power up the booster it feels like eternity you can shoot with just two tanks. Also you can go very low pressure in tanks and still have full pressure for gun. After booster a regulator, of course.

Automation means that I don't have to touch it at all, it keeps up the pressure until one of the tanks is totally empty. Regulator keeps gun fully pressurized until that.

Booster would be cool and I WANT ONE but yet again, its more stuff to spend more money on that i don't have.

[Tofazfou]

Cedric
you can buy regulators from Joe Brancato or off EBAY.  Same regs at both places.  Its gold and black.

I've seen the one that Joe list and it's around $200 more than the one on ebay.  But now that I would like to buy one, I can't find it on ebay.  Any idea of the website or company name?

You have to search SCBA Regulators and not SCUBA regulators on Ebay.
Here ya go:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Regulator-Only-Connects-to-SCBA-Cylinder-for-Air-Gun-Tools-Paintball-Refill-/190898509199?hash=item2c7270158f

I already had the hoses and fitting also.  JB is more expensive cause his comes with hoses and is fully complete and ready to go. the one on ebay isn't 100% set up.  I bought off ebay

[rifle50]

Cedric
you can buy regulators from Joe Brancato or off EBAY.  Same regs at both places.  Its gold and black.

I've seen the one that Joe list and it's around $200 more than the one on ebay.  But now that I would like to buy one, I can't find it on ebay.  Any idea of the website or company name?

You have to search SCBA Regulators and not SCUBA regulators on Ebay.
Here ya go:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Regulator-Only-Connects-to-SCBA-Cylinder-for-Air-Gun-Tools-Paintball-Refill-/190898509199?hash=item2c7270158f

I already had the hoses and fitting also.  JB is more expensive cause his comes with hoses and is fully complete and ready to go. the one on ebay isn't 100% set up.  I bought off ebay

HEY GUYS.....That one Cedric linked to is NOT WHAT YOU WANT.....LOOK CAREFULLY at bottom and scroll down to specs....It is for air TOOLS and such on OUTPUT.......It will take the pressure on the intake side but the OUT PUT is 0-400 psi MAX............

I use the BRANCATO REGULATOR and tank and yes NOT CHEAP but good quality....If you want $120 less this i found after i got mine    http://www.rlairgunsupply.com/high-pressure-air-clamps-hoses-and-parts/high-pressure-fill-station-regulated-adjustable/

 Carl

[Tofazfou]

Cedric
you can buy regulators from Joe Brancato or off EBAY.  Same regs at both places.  Its gold and black.

I've seen the one that Joe list and it's around $200 more than the one on ebay.  But now that I would like to buy one, I can't find it on ebay.  Any idea of the website or company name?

You have to search SCBA Regulators and not SCUBA regulators on Ebay.
Here ya go:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Regulator-Only-Connects-to-SCBA-Cylinder-for-Air-Gun-Tools-Paintball-Refill-/190898509199?hash=item2c7270158f

I already had the hoses and fitting also.  JB is more expensive cause his comes with hoses and is fully complete and ready to go. the one on ebay isn't 100% set up.  I bought off ebay

HEY GUYS.....That one Cedric linked to is NOT WHAT YOU WANT.....LOOK CAREFULLY at bottom and scroll down to specs....It is for air TOOLS and such on OUTPUT.......It will take the pressure on the intake side but the OUT PUT is 0-400 psi MAX............

I use the BRANCATO REGULATOR and tank and yes NOT CHEAP but good quality....If you want $120 less this i found after i got mine    http://www.rlairgunsupply.com/high-pressure-air-clamps-hoses-and-parts/high-pressure-fill-station-regulated-adjustable/

 Carl

Good catch Carl.  Still, the right reg on EBAY is the same as Joe B's.  Same quality.  Joes just comes COMPLETE with gauges and fitting and hoses.

Try this one then sirs.  And if this 1 AINT it, then you guys can do your own googling.................lol!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Pressure-Regulator-6000-psi-paintball-scuba-scba-compressor-cng-415-6000-/171478252231?hash=item27ece67ac7