Bill, with the 177 gn BBT Chris was getting around 1000 fps on a 4500 psi fill with century spring #72056. (With Brent's heavy spring that number would obviously go up.) That is around 390 fpe with that bullet. The 186 gn BBT would be a little higher but similar... I am pretty sure I can get to 1250 fps on helium with the 186, and that would put me at 645 fpe.... Not bad for a 40 cal....