Should all Weihreichs be tuned? Thinking about an HW30S or HW50S

[Broadus]

Well, the squirrel problem is only an occasional thing, so I'm sure the 30S would be fine. If the cocking were the advertised 24 lbs. for the 50S, I would go with it for sure.

I suspect that a full tune for the 50S, including shipping both ways, would be at least $150--nothing but a guess on my part. Were it not for being concerned about my wife's being about to handle the cocking as is, I'm sure I would go ahead and order the 50S.

[wjjones]

Well, the squirrel problem is only an occasional thing, so I'm sure the 30S would be fine. If the cocking were the advertised 24 lbs. for the 50S, I would go with it for sure.

I suspect that a full tune for the 50S, including shipping both ways, would be at least $150--nothing but a guess on my part. Were it not for being concerned about my wife's being about to handle the cocking as is, I'm sure I would go ahead and order the 50S.

Many people have complained that the 50s is more difficult to cock than the advertised 24lbs.  Others say it's no problem. I'm 62 and in relatively good shape and I thought it was too much to deal with in a long shooting session.

I suggest you do a search regarding the cocking effort of the current HW50s.  It's been pretty widely discussed.

Can you find a full tune for $150?

[Broadus]

Many people have complained that the 50s is more difficult to cock than the advertised 24lbs.  Others say it's no problem. I'm 62 and in relatively good shape and I thought it was too much to deal with in a long shooting session.

I suggest you do a search regarding the cocking effort of the current HW50s.  It's been pretty widely discussed.

Can you find a full tune for $150?

I think I've read almost every thread that speaks of the HW50S, especially those pertaining to the cocking effort. I guess that is what gives me pause about ordering the 50S. I thing the smart thing would be to order the 30S now and, if I need more power down the road, order perhaps the HW-95 and have it detuned or maybe even go for a 50S.

The $150 was a guess just going on a couple of things I read. And, too, I'm sure that "full tune" means different things to different tuners.

[Yak54]

Many people have complained that the 50s is more difficult to cock than the advertised 24lbs.  Others say it's no problem. I'm 62 and in relatively good shape and I thought it was too much to deal with in a long shooting session.

I suggest you do a search regarding the cocking effort of the current HW50s.  It's been pretty widely discussed.

Can you find a full tune for $150?

I think I've read almost every thread that speaks of the HW50S, especially those pertaining to the cocking effort. I guess that is what gives me pause about ordering the 50S. I thing the smart thing would be to order the 30S now and, if I need more power down the road, order perhaps the HW-95 and have it detuned or maybe even go for a 50S.

The $150 was a guess just going on a couple of things I read. And, too, I'm sure that "full tune" means different things to different tuners.

I think your reasoning is sound about getting the 30S now, and if you need or want more power down the road go for a 50S, R9, or HW95.

[Petey]

Cocking effort on the 50s can be lessened via a SS muzzle brake and a JM kit.
I initially used a Vortek and found it to be harder to cock and more snappy than the JM....
 just a note---- Having had four shoulder surgeries (2 ea L & R ) I can tell you without a doubt the JM kit is much easier to cock.....
One thing may be too Contact Tom at Vortek and have him make you an older style kit , Minus that sleeve over the spring.
JMTCW.
Happy Shootin To All!
Petey

[Not The Brightest Bulb]

I'm 78 and shot 70 pellets with 50s this morning, no problems. I do have a muzzle brake on gun.

[Broadus]

I'm 78 and shot 70 pellets with 50s this morning, no problems. I do have a muzzle brake on gun.

That's good to hear, Brad. I'm glad for you. I'm still concerned about my wife handling it. If I can stay on this line of thinking till AoA opens in the morning, I'll probably go ahead with the 30S and then hopefully pick up a 50S later if a good used one comes along and I feel the need for a bit more power.

I appreciate your input in all this.

[Sfttailrdr46]

  I think you will be happy with either rifle. Weirauch/Beeman are the apex springers fit finish and quality inside and out. I have nothing but praise for the RX2 that I have since December . I cannot see the HW 30S or 50S being any less well made good luck with whichever rifle you decide to purchase and don't forget to post some pictures

[Broadus]

Thanks, Don. You're right--quality between the two is not an issue. I'll be sure to post what we get as well as the requisite photos.

[RatRacer]

If wife involvement is definitely in the picture on use, get the 30 for sure for the "happy life" scenario.  
That's the only one my wife likes to shoot because it is "self sufficient" for her. (And sports the better optics)

[Not The Brightest Bulb]

I'm still concerned about my wife handling it. If I can stay on this line of thinking till AoA opens in the morning, I'll probably go ahead with the 30S and then hopefully pick up a 50S later if a good used one comes along and I feel the need for a bit more power.

I also think your wife would be much happier with the 30, there is no doubt that the 50 is more work and just might not be as much fun.

[Broadus]

Well, I just got off the phone with Airguns of Arizona, asking about the 30S and the 50S, and they checked on their stock and have both the .177 and .22 HW50S in stock but only the .22 HW30S in stock. I asked how long before they anticipated getting in the .177 30S and was told it would be several weeks.

I like the idea of ordering from AoA because of the price ($299 w/free shipping) and they check out and test fire the gun. Pyramid is higher and they charge extra to test fire.

[wimpanzee]

PA lists the HW30S at $329, with coupon code PYRAMYD-NRA its $297. Plus you can get 1% back via the bullseye bucks, if you do those.

Personally I wouldn't bother with the 10 for $10 deal, because springers need some attention before the chrony numbers mean anything. I would get it for a pcp, to check for leaks, but the value of that service is pretty marginal on a high quality springer.

[Broadus]

PA lists the HW30S at $329, with coupon code PYRAMYD-NRA its $297. Plus you can get 1% back via the bullseye bucks, if you do those.

Personally I wouldn't bother with the 10 for $10 deal, because springers need some attention before the chrony numbers mean anything. I would get it for a pcp, to check for leaks, but the value of that service is pretty marginal on a high quality springer.

I had applied the 10% discount, but then shipping puts it at $313.69. That's why I said it is a little higher at PA. Obviously, it's not that big a difference.

I agree about the 10 for $10 deal. AoA does something similar for free. I definitely wouldn't pay for it on a good springer.

[Calmark]

I may have another option for you, Bill.  I have an HW50 in .177 that's just a few years old that has the full stock checkering.  I got it from a member here at the GTA a year or so ago and he chopped 1 coil off the spring and made it a custom rear guide and tophat. He did some file work to keep the cocking arm from rubbing too.  I later relubed it with Krytox, a lube that can't combust and added a Vortek piston seal.  I also removed the chisel detent and polished both it and the hole it goes into and relubed it.  All of these things have detuned the rifle a bit, but made the rifle very smooth to cock and gives it a lower cocking effort than a factory one.  Its the one in the middle of the picture.  The others are an R7 and R9 for comparison.  I'll send you a PM about it.



Mark

[Broadus]

Hey Mark. I'll PM you.

BTW, are you trying to mess with my mind with the upside down photo.

[Calmark]

I apologize for the upside down picture.  Photobucket isn't cooperating with me.  I see it also looks a bit distorted.  This must mean its a trick gun you can shoot accurately while standing on your head, using a mirror too! 

*edit 

It looks like its fixed now...I hope so at least!

[gapi]

I have a $620.00 HW95, $400.00 from AOA, $220.00 shipped fully tuned by John In PA. No regrets.
The option you will always have is you can shoot it for years before deciding to tune it. Just get the gun that fits your tastes and decide later.
I chose the HW95 because its not too long and heavy, not too powerful or underpowered or hold sensitive. The HW95/Beeman R9 platform is famous for its versatility and accuracy.   

I shot a few tins before sending it in and it twanged like a banjo. I already had fully tuned a BAM B26 so I was basically spoiled.
The trigger guard and forearm screws loosened once during the first tin.

We are supposed to follow through during a shot cycle by maintaining the hold throughout the cycle ( I stay in the scope all the way to the target). After the tune this was much more of a doable and pleasurable experience and with the banjo twang gone its effortless in comparison. I would say it helped "Me" shoot more accurately, not the gun.

He does a lot in his tunes for the money he charges. The turn around is a month or so.
He does more than just tar and install an after market spring and seal. If fitting is needed he does it.

From Memory He:
Installs an after market spring, piston, and breech seal. (A pre-tune discussion with him is required to get what fits your needs)
Cleans up any factory burs or edges as needed.   
Buttons the piston
Cups all the screws
Polishes the bore
Goes through the trigger group
Test fires lots of pellets and lets it sit over night to let the warmed up piston seal form a couple times and fires different pellets or the one of your choosing.
Provides as shipped chrony data

The above is all I can remember.

I say, if you have the mean, definitely tune it.