Thanks for all the input guys. Realistically, at this point, I think a PCP is overkill for me. It would be like putting the cart before the horse or going from go carts to Indy. But, staying on the go cart track. I have two relatively new to me guns now to keep me entertained. I love my faithful model c. And, I'm only starting to check out the local ranges. It's inevitable I'll make the jump some day. But, for now I'm liking David's idea of another msp for my next ag. Simple, reliable, and effective. As always, your comments and ideas are welcome and appreciated.
"It would be like putting the cart before the horse or going from go carts to Indy."Well.....my simple mind simply says "form follows function" so I have not want or need for anymore than my R9 springer! There are a LOT of posts extolling the virtues on the latest chrony numbers from their new howitzerairspitzenhyperpiston but I seldom see posts of actual 50 yard targets shot by said airgunner! LOL....guess that it's easier to read numbers from a chrony screen than actually shoot tight groups! Well.....for me it is anyway!Just like it would be silly, illegal, and perhaps dangerous to drive an "Indy car" on a go cart track or the highway, sooooo.......it would be equally silly for ME to go to the hassle and expense of feeding a PCP with a self imposed max range for shooting PELLETS AT CRITTERS of 40ish yards under perfect conditions! LOL.....90% of the time I stalk within my 30 yard zero distance and if I were such a poor stalker that I had to take 50+ yard shots on a regular basis I would be using a good .22 rimfire and RWS SubSonic ammo that will shoot a bullet in excess of 100fpe more quietly than a 30fpe PCP, plus have the accuracy to cut cloverleafs at 40 yards under FIELD conditions! Well.....my brother can do that with his bolt action rimfire and SubSonics! LOL.....doubling the FPE of my R9 (if possible) wouldn't add another 10 yards to my effective range shooting those lead badminton birdies called PELLETS! Anywhoo......my 2000 Honda Civic has worked just fine for the last 415,000 miles so I don't want (or need) a Cadillac Escalade when time comes to replace the Civic. The same thing applies when/if I decide to replace the R9..........but a LOT of knowledgeable shooters don't share my point of view! Hummmmm.......come to think of it, there is one shooter who posts YouTube vids of his hunts featuring a camera attached to the scope and a bipod mounted EdGun that's resting on a solid support who takes great pride in shooting critters at 60+ yards.......and he's pretty good at it too! Actually those vids are the epitome of "10th scale sniper action"!LOL....whatever floats your boat, trips your trigger, and gives you the "warm fuzzy feelings"!
Quote from: UCChris on February 13, 2015, 02:06:42 PMI've owned 5 springers, two were cheap Walmart specials, two were home tuned by me, and one was fully tuned by Mike Melick. While the tuned ones were better than the untuned ones, nothing compares to a PCP. My Disco shoots the same groups (1/2" at 25-30 yards) that I struggled to get at 10 yards with a springer. If Palone comes in here and tells you there is no reason to own a "puffer", don't listen to him. The springer Gods have blessed his hands and sent him to lead others (who do not have the same magic touch) down the long, painful road of springers!*Raises my hand* Been down that long, painful road. Never again. Springers aren't for me. (I do own 2, a QB58 and a B5. As soon as their values go up, they will be up for sale.) I'm going down the PCP highway and I'm never looking back again.
I've owned 5 springers, two were cheap Walmart specials, two were home tuned by me, and one was fully tuned by Mike Melick. While the tuned ones were better than the untuned ones, nothing compares to a PCP. My Disco shoots the same groups (1/2" at 25-30 yards) that I struggled to get at 10 yards with a springer. If Palone comes in here and tells you there is no reason to own a "puffer", don't listen to him. The springer Gods have blessed his hands and sent him to lead others (who do not have the same magic touch) down the long, painful road of springers!
Quote from: silent_airman on February 13, 2015, 03:27:22 PMQuote from: UCChris on February 13, 2015, 02:06:42 PMI've owned 5 springers, two were cheap Walmart specials, two were home tuned by me, and one was fully tuned by Mike Melick. While the tuned ones were better than the untuned ones, nothing compares to a PCP. My Disco shoots the same groups (1/2" at 25-30 yards) that I struggled to get at 10 yards with a springer. If Palone comes in here and tells you there is no reason to own a "puffer", don't listen to him. The springer Gods have blessed his hands and sent him to lead others (who do not have the same magic touch) down the long, painful road of springers!*Raises my hand* Been down that long, painful road. Never again. Springers aren't for me. (I do own 2, a QB58 and a B5. As soon as their values go up, they will be up for sale.) I'm going down the PCP highway and I'm never looking back again. I have to chime here, and defend the springers. I think why the bad rap for springers, people buy inexpensive springers, and guess what, they shoot like inexpensive springers. If you tune an inexpensive springer, it shoots as bad as a tuned inexpensive springer. I got back into this hobby 2 years ago with a Gamo. I dropped about 250 on the rifle, and 190 on the scope & mounts. I blew up the UTG scope (they sent me a new one), and just about broke my cheek bone, and loosened all of my teeth in the 4 months before I got rid of that piece of junk. Sure, it was fun shooting cans .... try to get into some serious shooting with that thing, forget about it.If people would only research .... start out with a TX, Prosport, HW98, LGV, LGU etc., throw a tune on it .... and then tell me how nasty springers are .... with a good shooter on the butt of one of these, they can compete all day with most PCP's.With all that said .... after a year or 2 of seeing how far I can take my TX, I will begin looking at a PCP rifle. I have shot them, and there is no doubt the accuracy from a "good" one is uncontested. I say a good one, because right now, I will put my TX up against a Maurader etc ... all day long. When I go to the darkside, I'll research, won't buy an inexpensive one that frustrates me ... buy something like Daystate, Steyr, RAW, FX, AA, Weirauch etc. I understand budgets, and if your on a tight one, then save until you can afford a "good" air rifle of any class. You will be much happier if you do.In regard to Joe Palone (that enabler ), he is an extremely talented shooter, because he practices all the time. He shoots the best of springers, and I have never heard him recommend an inexpensive rifle .... unless the person has put a finite limit on what they can spend.To fully enjoy this sport, hobby, obsession .... buy good stuff.Pappy
Quote from: Pappy on April 15, 2015, 08:13:18 PMQuote from: silent_airman on February 13, 2015, 03:27:22 PMQuote from: UCChris on February 13, 2015, 02:06:42 PMI've owned 5 springers, two were cheap Walmart specials, two were home tuned by me, and one was fully tuned by Mike Melick. While the tuned ones were better than the untuned ones, nothing compares to a PCP. My Disco shoots the same groups (1/2" at 25-30 yards) that I struggled to get at 10 yards with a springer. If Palone comes in here and tells you there is no reason to own a "puffer", don't listen to him. The springer Gods have blessed his hands and sent him to lead others (who do not have the same magic touch) down the long, painful road of springers!*Raises my hand* Been down that long, painful road. Never again. Springers aren't for me. (I do own 2, a QB58 and a B5. As soon as their values go up, they will be up for sale.) I'm going down the PCP highway and I'm never looking back again. I have to chime here, and defend the springers. I think why the bad rap for springers, people buy inexpensive springers, and guess what, they shoot like inexpensive springers. If you tune an inexpensive springer, it shoots as bad as a tuned inexpensive springer. I got back into this hobby 2 years ago with a Gamo. I dropped about 250 on the rifle, and 190 on the scope & mounts. I blew up the UTG scope (they sent me a new one), and just about broke my cheek bone, and loosened all of my teeth in the 4 months before I got rid of that piece of junk. Sure, it was fun shooting cans .... try to get into some serious shooting with that thing, forget about it.If people would only research .... start out with a TX, Prosport, HW98, LGV, LGU etc., throw a tune on it .... and then tell me how nasty springers are .... with a good shooter on the butt of one of these, they can compete all day with most PCP's.With all that said .... after a year or 2 of seeing how far I can take my TX, I will begin looking at a PCP rifle. I have shot them, and there is no doubt the accuracy from a "good" one is uncontested. I say a good one, because right now, I will put my TX up against a Maurader etc ... all day long. When I go to the darkside, I'll research, won't buy an inexpensive one that frustrates me ... buy something like Daystate, Steyr, RAW, FX, AA, Weirauch etc. I understand budgets, and if your on a tight one, then save until you can afford a "good" air rifle of any class. You will be much happier if you do.In regard to Joe Palone (that enabler ), he is an extremely talented shooter, because he practices all the time. He shoots the best of springers, and I have never heard him recommend an inexpensive rifle .... unless the person has put a finite limit on what they can spend.To fully enjoy this sport, hobby, obsession .... buy good stuff.PappyI will have to play a bit of devil's advocate here, because I spent big $ on a TX 200. The result was I sold it. Sure, it was a nice looking gun, great stock and finish, but I came to despise it. I thought it was ridiculous to spend almost $700 on a gun that needed another $200 to make it shoot well. It was heavy. I couldn't hold the gun properly because of the weight. I came to hate the artillery hold. I never could get the gun to group. Then to make matters worse it killed my scope. That was the straw that broke the camel's back. I also had a Model 54. A reputation as a scope killer, and I wasn't risking any more expensive glass. They both went bye bye and that soured me on springers. I don't care what anyone says. I don't care if they can hit flies at 100 yards with one. I won't waste another penny on springers of any price range.I agree that it is better to save up to buy quality. However I have some cheap CO2 guns that shoot very well. Far better than a springer of the same price range. Springers are a cantankerous lot and you can keep them. If you enjoy them, good for you. The main thing is to have fun. I am having fun with my PCP and that's all that matters.
DONT DO IT............Once you shoot a PCP your on the slippery slope of no return . The dark side Is ...AWSOME...
Nice .... Piperman .... how far out were you on this target?Pappy
Just before Christmas I bought a Dianna 34 .177 with a 4-12x50 scope. I love it. If I really concentrate, I can get awesome groups. I have been shooting groups of five with six different pellets. I usually do that twice each time I shoot. 60 shots. Its easy to tell which pellets are best. I'm not the best shot yet and usually have at least one minor flyer per 5 shots.Tonight I decided to pull out the ol Sheridan model c .20. First shot I thought I had the safety on. Nope, the rws trigger just has me spoiled. So I stared down the old foggy scope and gave it a good squeeze. Dead center. Next four, same jagged hole. Next target, another 5 shot jagged hole. That made me wonder if you PCP guys are really on to something. It makes me think the .22 that is missing from my collection should be a disco. Also that I should put a better scope on the Sheridan and look at a trigger job.
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