Custom 10 and 15 round Mrod mag *NEW* Final Version for Sale

[YEMX]

Bob what you have already done with the magazine is fantastic and I also knew more than likely there was nothing that can be done to a magazine itself to prevent double loading.
I was just hoping you would find a magic wand LOL to solve the issue.

Norm

It is a great idea Norm!    But PB magazines don't even have this feature, so I wouldn't expect an airgun's magazine to have it.  Unless you have a lot of money for R&D, and are Daystate, and no.  Just- no.   

[bnowlin]

Isn't most of the double loading the shooters fault.  I know I have loaded before and got sidetracked and instead of checking to see later I have loaded another.  Especially during starling season around here.  So far only messed up I set of baffles.
Bob

[Norm_m]

Of course it is the shooter's fault for double loading! If any product is used as it should be there are usually no problems but like anything else at times we all make mistakes. It is always nice if a way is found to prevent human error from happening when using a product, which would be a plus. In the case of the MRod magazines there is very little chance that it will ever happen. I am sure that over time there has been more difficult things that have been solved and who knows maybe one day we will be able to say "why didn't I think of that"

Norm

[bnowlin]

Yeah like Velcro or white out
Bob

[Habanero69er]

Bob what you have already done with the magazine is fantastic and I also knew more than likely there was nothing that can be done to a magazine itself to prevent double loading.
I was just hoping you would find a magic wand LOL to solve the issue.

Norm

It is a great idea Norm!    But PB magazines don't even have this feature, so I wouldn't expect an airgun's magazine to have it.  Unless you have a lot of money for R&D, and are Daystate, and no.  Just- no.   

What PB can you load two rounds in the chamber at the same time?

[YEMX]

I was talking about the magazine preventing double loading...

[darrenf]

I was talking about the magazine preventing double loading...

I think the point is, since it can't be done with a powder burner, why would they need to create a mag that would prevent a non existent problem.

[scharfe]

Bob what you have already done with the magazine is fantastic and I also knew more than likely there was nothing that can be done to a magazine itself to prevent double loading.
I was just hoping you would find a magic wand LOL to solve the issue.

Norm

It is a great idea Norm!    But PB magazines don't even have this feature, so I wouldn't expect an airgun's magazine to have it.  Unless you have a lot of money for R&D, and are Daystate, and no.  Just- no.   

What PB can you load two rounds in the chamber at the same time?

Double barrel shotgun 

[Habanero69er]

Ya got me on that one. 

[scharfe]

Sorry couldn't help myself.

[pllagunos]

The only magazines that are not expensive and don't allow double loading are the ones that don't rotate themselves, instead the action of the air gun does it an example will be the Hatsan PCPs or the old style Evanix Rainstorm. Both of these air guns actuate a lever that rotates the magazine but once that the hammer is cocked that lever locks into place and can't be moved again, you can still open the side lever or bolt but it won't actuate the lever.

Far more expeensives magazines like the ones from the Daystate Wolverine line of air rifles use another magazine that actually doesn't rotate itself what rotates it is a small pin that is released when you operate the bolt, but it can just be released once since the force that pushes that pin is actually air from each shot. Far more complicated system that will be very expensive, however if you really want a magazine that doesn't double loads itself you could look at the Hatsan AT44 breech but you will need to re-design the magazines. My advise would be to leave the magazines like they are now and add a small device like the shot count device you have that turns on a small LED when there is a pellet inside the barrel, still you would be able to double load the gun but it would be less common.

[William]

Got my 15 round .22 Mrod Magazine from scharfe today, so here is my thoughts and a little review as well as what is needed to get it running smooth and fitting into the breech.

First of all, My .22 is a Disco with a BNM Multi-shot breech which uses the Mrod Magazines.

When I got it the spring needed tightened up, so I pulled it apart and wound the spring a little tighter so it would feed, (may have gotten bumped off while shipping) I tried to stick it into the breech and it was too tight, so I got out the 400 grit sandpaper and sanded the bottom until it would slide into the breech with very little resistance. Well it would not go due to it hitting the scope, so I sanded a little extra off the bottom, a little at a time until it would snap into place and feed pellets really well.
Even after fitting, it still just touches the scope, (maybe .001" clearance).

Pictures below so you can see the differences, the only thing I had to modify was the very bottom of the magazine where it sits down in on top of the breech. NOT the GROOVE that Snaps onto the barrel end.

Make sure you only sand the bottom, that is most likely the only place it will need modified, look at the pics and notice the red dotted line is where I sanded, (the bottom is the flat part you cannot see).

Now, if you do not have a scope setup using High Scope Mounts then the 15 round clip will probably not work! It will work just fine on a Bull Pup.

My Thoughts,
The good- everything this is a very well made Mag that with a little fitting works like a charm, I give it an A++ 
The Bad- Nothing, except you will need High Scope mounts.

As good as this works I can bet you the 10 round clip works way better than the factory one!

Please dont mind the plastic dust on my Disco from sanding and fitting the magazine!

Thank you, scharfe you did a great job on these.

William

[scharfe]

William thanks for the feedback, for your specific situation with only .001" of clearance needed you could shave the circular part of the magazine that is touching the scope tube. The wall is .05" thick at its thinnest point (just top .06" of housing, rest is .1" thick). If you were comfortable with modifying it you could shave it the fit the contour of your scope, giving it that super custom fitted look.

thanks again
Bob

[William]

William thanks for the feedback, for your specific situation with only .001" of clearance needed you could shave the circular part of the magazine that is touching the scope tube. The wall is .05" thick at its thinnest point (just top .06" of housing, rest is .1" thick). If you were comfortable with modifying it you could shave it the fit the contour of your scope, giving it that super custom fitted look.

thanks again
Bob

I did think of doing that, but after taking a little more off the bottom it snapped into place and worked good, if it does act up later I may do that. I seen there was plenty of room for contouring it around the scope a little, I even marked it and was just about to sand the edge!

The 15 shot mag will make a great hunting mag for sure. Fill it up and you should have a good hunt without having to reload it. The original is smaller so it makes a nice backup to carry in your pocket in case you need it.
I will give it a workout this coming weekend and see how she goes from there, I will let everyone know how it went and if I had to modify it anymore. I think it will be fine as it is feeding very good.


William

[YEMX]

wow, that is really close clearance w/the scope... Hmmm... unless a shooter wants high rings, maybe market the 15 rnd magazines for bullpup builds? 

[YEMX]

I just received my 10 rd mag today- I haven't mounted the scope on my rifle yet... but it fits the breech perfect!  I may have to actually fiddle w/the barrel fitment, as I feel like the mag fits a little loose.  There's a definite "click" into place though.  I'll fiddle with it tomorrow to see if it's the barrel alignment.  So far so good though!  The mag feels amazing, very tight tolerances!  When scharfe said you could barely hear the pellets rattling around in the mag- boy, he wasn't kidding!  I look forward to putting some lead down range!!  This mag doesn't feel flimsy at all.   

As far as needing some light sanding on the bottom for fitment- not needed for my breech.  It slid in, no problem.  It does fit tighter than a factory mag, but that's a plus for me.  More tomorrow!!

[scharfe]

I just received my 10 rd mag today- I haven't mounted the scope on my rifle yet... but it fits the breech perfect!  I may have to actually fiddle w/the barrel fitment, as I feel like the mag fits a little loose.  There's a definite "click" into place though.  I'll fiddle with it tomorrow to see if it's the barrel alignment.  So far so good though!  The mag feels amazing, very tight tolerances!  When scharfe said you could barely hear the pellets rattling around in the mag- boy, he wasn't kidding!  I look forward to putting some lead down range!!  This mag doesn't feel flimsy at all.   

As far as needing some light sanding on the bottom for fitment- not needed for my breech.  It slid in, no problem.  It does fit tighter than a factory mag, but that's a plus for me.  More tomorrow!!

hmmmm. I thought I left more than enough material on it to account for some pretty generous tolerances on the breech. Does your mrod have a stock breech and barrel?

 All magazines that I test with my mrod are very tight to fit in, usually takes two hands to get it to snap back out. My personal mags snap in a little tighter than my factory mags but there is zero movement when it is snapped in.

[William]

If it snaps around the barrel it should be lined up, even if it is loose on the sides or bottom. The grove is what lines it up to the barrel chamber, so I don't see a problem with it being loose as long as it snaps in place. I also don't think it needs to snap in very hard either because once it is in place and the bolt is pushed forward it is not going anywhere.

    I actually like mine a little loose, but not rattling loose, makes it easier to insert and remove. I had to sand all my factory Mags due to they were too hard to get in and out, I thought I was going to have to use channel locks to grab and pull them out, even on my .25 cal Mrod.

Just my thoughts and I have never had a problem with them being easy to insert or remove (as long as they snap into place).

These are really good mags for sure 
William

[YEMX]

I just received my 10 rd mag today- I haven't mounted the scope on my rifle yet... but it fits the breech perfect!  I may have to actually fiddle w/the barrel fitment, as I feel like the mag fits a little loose.  There's a definite "click" into place though.  I'll fiddle with it tomorrow to see if it's the barrel alignment.  So far so good though!  The mag feels amazing, very tight tolerances!  When scharfe said you could barely hear the pellets rattling around in the mag- boy, he wasn't kidding!  I look forward to putting some lead down range!!  This mag doesn't feel flimsy at all.   

As far as needing some light sanding on the bottom for fitment- not needed for my breech.  It slid in, no problem.  It does fit tighter than a factory mag, but that's a plus for me.  More tomorrow!!

hmmmm. I thought I left more than enough material on it to account for some pretty generous tolerances on the breech. Does your mrod have a stock breech and barrel?

 All magazines that I test with my mrod are very tight to fit in, usually takes two hands to get it to snap back out. My personal mags snap in a little tighter than my factory mags but there is zero movement when it is snapped in.

I have a stock .22 breech, Gen1.  That shouldn't matter?  I assume the mag-well tolerance is the same for both Gen's.  I do have a TJ barrel from Jim Gaska.  But the barrel fits tight in the breech.  Again, I may not have the barrel seated properly- I kind of slapped the rifle together to see what it was like assembled.  It was in parts for way too long, and I needed to see it all together. 

[William]

YEMX,
As long as the barrel is sticking through the Breech the Mag will clip on it, just be sure you're fully seated in the receiver with the barrel so that the Transfer port holes are lined up. If the Mag is snapping onto the barrel then the Mag will be lined up correctly with the bolt and chamber, even if it rocks left and right it will still be in line with everything (thats the way it is designed)!

Good luck and enjoy
William