Millennium Pumper Production - *The Beginning* - And The Lousy End

[CarsonRatSniper]

We *certainly* would like to set up some dealers! Its tough though when you don't have something tangible built to demonstrate and test.

I have one gentleman in Canada that is interested in importing them there...other than that I have been waiting to have a couple of finished guns to showcase to dealers before I seriously approach anyone here in the United States.

In .22 & .25 these certainly will bag squirrels & rabbits and protect the garden!


Mike

[jvanschoonhoven]

Thanks for the info I thought somewhere I read that it was going to be a side lever gun.

I agree with you its a lot more important for this to have fewer parts to brake and get packed full of dirt and &^^&. 

I also really like the stick mag idea because then you can mount your scope low and not deal with the huge hight over bore like on some of the other guns.

So far this really looks like the ultimate survival rifle. Have you though of making a spot in the stock or somewhere on the rifle to carry an extra loaded stick mag?

Actually I could probably machine a holder that mounts on the rail to hold an extra mag or two and have it lock in with the same style detent that the mag indexes on. I would think you would have enough room under your scope to fit one if you are using a 50mm or bigger objective.

[cclingma]

Will the factory safety of the Marauder trigger set be functional?  So much fun to watch your progress!

[MEAT]

Agreed! It's a pleasure to watch! I'll be getting a .25 after seeing the reviews.  Send one to Ted and you will have to make that CNC order.

[CarsonRatSniper]

Yes, the Marauder trigger (and safety) will be fully functional - I use that trigger or the Prod trigger frame on all of my builds for 22xx or Discoveries.

I will have to get Teds contact information...I'd love to have him do a video review of the Millenium Pumper!
Great idea...Thanks!

Mike

[Chako]

Agreed! It's a pleasure to watch! I'll be getting a .25 after seeing the reviews.  Send one to Ted and you will have to make that CNC order.

+1 Ted does some good reviews.

[rsterne]

In case you hadn't heard.... Tim @ Mac1 Airguns just won the Extreme Bench Rest contest using one of the .300 cal barrels Sean & I designed, made by Mike at TJs.... It was 9/16" OD with a 1/8" thick CF sleeve to stiffen it up.... in one of Tim's USFTs.... Good on him, and good for the .30 cal barrel on the Millennium Pumper....

Bob

[CarsonRatSniper]

WOO HOO! Way to go Tim!!!

Yer killin me Bob...now I *have* to get those barrels sleeved and tested!

[grhouse]

Going back to the extra magazine in the stock, why not just push it in from the rear and let it lock in and release with a button or some such? With wood stocks, you would have enough room to add a couple of loaded spare magazines. Now that is a selling point for folks wanting to go out and not carry a tin of pellets with them in the field. If you are hunting, three magazines should give you all the pellets you need for one outing for squirrels. While you are thinking about it, why not add a rail on the front side for an accessory like a tripod or flashlight? Or, build the tripod as an integral part of the front? Just thinking off the top of my head here of things that shooters tend to like.

When you get ready for distributors, do you have in mind a minimum number to be purchased in order to become a distributor (like maybe 3 or 5) and an effective discount so that the distributor can sell it at your retail and still make enough money to make it profitable (maybe $100-$150 off per unit)? Or, have you thought about setting up something special for pre-production distributors who want to invest in advance? I'm just throwing ideas out here for you to think about. I really like the sound of your pumper and we just closed on a house yesterday so I'll have a little extra to invest pretty soon.
Gene

[CarsonRatSniper]

Thanks for the suggestions Gene...

The shoulder on the end of the tube cap where the pivot pin is will have a sling stud installed (like on a shotgun tube cap).
I will talk to Jim today and see about having a 2 slot Picatinney rail on the side of the front band to attach a flashlight to as I can see a use for that for nighttime pesting.

I would rather leave the other options up to the customer to do so we keep costs as low as possible and keep the weight as light as we can.

I've thought about skeletonizing the butt section of the Blaster stock to drop some weight from the rifle but I'm not sure about that yet...it might look funny.

I don't want to have so many 'little' details that we get sidetracked...maybe after we get some guns sold and get user feedback we can make some adjustments.

Mike

[hutnicks]

I'm more for a clean looking rifle design. Skell stocks rarely work out in the wood. The Steyr 110 being about the best example of getting it right but that style does not seem to go with the Millenium.

Careful what you hang off it, people might start calling it the "Millenium Plumper"

[aom22]

I would rather leave the other options up to the customer to do
so we keep costs as low as possible and keep the weight as light as we can.

Mike, how about posting a list of options and/or standardized option package you or rstrene might suggest for our consideration.
Attach points (front and rear) for a sling is a good starter.
I'd also like to be able to specify length-of-pull ... I have short arms.

[CarsonRatSniper]

I will have to get with Jim about machining add on parts...we're really focusing on the rifle with spare mags & our superb LDC as options.

They *WILL* be available in a Left Hand configuration! Stock color choices for left hand are limited to Pepper, Nutmeg and I believe Camo.

Your Length of Pull *must* be forwarded to us before I order your stock from Norm.

Here are some 1/2x20 threaded muzzles with an 11* target crown from today...



Not our aluminum LDC but *very* close!



Jim is making valves and should be finished with them tomorrow sometime...BTW - Those are Jim's feet in the LDC pic LOL *The Mystery Man*

Mike

[Midwestairgunner]

Yes, the Marauder trigger (and safety) will be fully functional - I use that trigger or the Prod trigger frame on all of my builds for 22xx or Discoveries.

I will have to get Teds contact information...I'd love to have him do a video review of the Millenium Pumper!
Great idea...Thanks!

Mike

Maybe could start here? http://tedsholdover.com/contact/

[MRT949]

Good looking sub assembly parts .

[Sfttailrdr46]

  Ok , so we /I would like a price and possible availability for a .22 or .25 I have $750 in the kitty for my next AG so unique and accurate with a strong simple action is a definite + . You make great .25 hp bullets and a great rifle to go with them is in my future

[CarsonRatSniper]

All I can say is *Not to Exceed* $1200.

When I have a price set I will post it in my Vendor Gate and let you guys know when it's listed.

Mike

[jvanschoonhoven]

Those barrels look nice!  I Worked at a machine shop making gun parts for several years and am impressed with how this project is moving forward I dont think most people understand what it takes to make this happen.   

So you are going to sleeve those barrels with carbon fiber correct? Is your ldc going to be all aluminum or aluminum and carbon fiber?

Is the not to exceed $1,200 with the LDC?

[Sfttailrdr46]

  Great that is within my budget

[CarsonRatSniper]

Yes, the barrels will be sleeved with 1/16" thick walled carbon fiber and glued on with some epoxy I'm not familiar with...I just call it *Jim's Psycho Epoxy*
Its the same glue used to adhere the tiles on the nose of the space shuttle - its oven cured and is an absolutely*permanent* bond.

I'm really trying to come in around $1000 but I just can't say until Jim makes every single part and knows what he needs money wise for each part...once that is done I can set a price...all of my material costs are already calculated.

The LDC will be an add on option as there's places outside of the USA that they're not allowed (such as Canada).
I can tell you right now the LDC will be $200, but its the best you'll see in an air gun.
It will be thick walled aluminum, 3 pieces (2 end caps & a tube) but the muzzle cap will be a 1 piece monocore that slides into the body of the LDC.
The internals of the main tube will be coated with 1/8" of Sorbathane.
Dimensions will be 1.5" OD x 6" long.
If you want to change calibers all you need is the appropriate end cap/monocore piece to screw in the end of the tube...those will be 1/2 the cost or less than an entire new LDC.

We're making fine quality parts...these aren't pieced together guns!



Mike

p.s. Thanks for noticing the details of what we're building