Millennium Pumper Production - *The Beginning* - And The Lousy End

[CarsonRatSniper]

I run a remote line from a 20oz tank all the time in summer on my 2260.
I bought an expansion chamber for a paintball gun that I run right after the on/off adapter on the tank - it has a fine mesh screen inside so ONLY vapor passes into the line.
Very consistent with Predators @ 700 fps!

I plan on testing g a Millennium with CO2 so we have data on it...I'll have to do it in the shop though - its too cold to do it outside!

I think the Millennium will be one of the most versatile rifles available.

Mike

[jvanschoonhoven]

Awesome!  I bet a 20oz will give a ton of shots In the summer.
Im sure this will be the ultimate rifle.
I have been working on some design ideas for an auto indexing mag for quick followup shots. I like your stick mag idea for utter reliability for the survival rifle aspect but for just fun hunting in my target rich environment im planning on making a mag that will index itself.

[CarsonRatSniper]

Jim has been wanting to play Mad Scientist *BADLY* for an auto indexing magazine...I keep telling him *No*!
While I will agree it isn't that hard to do, the premise is to have the most robust rifle with minimal little things to break or not work correctly so the Millennium is always ready for duty!

You think *THAT* is keeping Jim up at night, you should see what else were working on!
Jim used to build 100,000 psi pressure vessels for hydro cutters...he made everything including the sealing rings and compressors...we're going to build some full auto .360" round ball shooters that operate off of a 10,000 psi tank for LOTS of shots! LOL
No, the gun won't have that much pressure in it - it will be regged.

Jim & Jeff (now Kahles rep) engineered the Nightforce scopes including the turrets that have 1 *billionth* of an inch of backlash!
You should see these two guys standing in front of a white board going over design criteria!!!

See what happens when you get a man with experience in the right areas bitten by the Air Bug?

 

Mike

[Bullfrog]

Wow I've been under a rock for a month and missed this news. This is going to be a great gun for the average Joe who wants a high powered pcp air rifle but is turned off by hand pumps or scuba tanks. I talk to a lot of non AG hunters who are fascinated by the power of my modded Mrod but can't get over the hastle as they see it of hauling an air source around. Most are familiar with pumpers from their childhood days and the first question out of their mouths when they are figuring out whether they want a pcp whether they can pump it up like a bb gun and they get turned off when they are told they can't fill it that way.

For me, this looks like it will be an excellent survival and camping system. I've packed out a handpump before on my backpack... not fun. For "prepping" I'd often wondered what I'd do if my hand pumps broke on me. Springers are an option but their power is so limited. I also like that you are offering it with a LDC option. A survival gun needs to be quiet otherwise it offers little advantage over a firearm.

[CarsonRatSniper]

Yeah, I'm getting excited!
This first run is going so slow because Jim is making tooling, building jigs & fixtures and writing down all machining specs on my plans I've drawn for him.
We are *Almost* to slotting tubes, assembling a barreled action and shipping at least 1 to Norm so *He* can make jigs & fixtures for making the stocks.

Once this first run is done we should be able to turn out guns in 1 week - add the time it takes to order barrels, stocks, pump levers & parts - and our turnaround time should be no more than 4 weeks.

Mike

[Sfttailrdr46]

  Mike , I can't wait the see a finished product IDK if .22 or .25 but if the .30 is as feasible as Bob the master guru gives it the science blessing and bullets are readily available that is probably going to be my first choice 

[jvanschoonhoven]

Mike. I did not mean in any way that you guys would have trouble designing a mag for this gun I was just saying that personally I was going to design and machine my own auto indexing mag for my own gun. And I do agree for a survival rifle the stick mag is the way to go.
I can tell from everything so far you guys know what your doing and Jim is a very capable guy. Parts for the nightforce scopes are made in a machine shop 20 minutes from me so I definitely understand the level you guys are at.

[CarsonRatSniper]

Oh, I was just *Confirming* you aren't the only one who wants an auto indexing mag! LOL

If you guys agree that Nightforce Scopes are built to extreme quality standards then you understand the build quality of these rifles.


I will post full results of the .30 caliber so you guys 'on the fence' of which caliber to choose can make an informed decision.
FWIW - I'm designing a lightweight Spitzer slug in .300" caliber including Wicked Monsters...they should be out early next year.

Mike

[jvanschoonhoven]

Lol glad we are on the same page.
Im not happy with any of the current mag designs I have seen and am working on some different ideas. I need to see the breech before ill build my prototype. But hopefully it works as planned.

[stilkikin]

? When will you start taking deposits for the .30? MUST HAVE!

[CarsonRatSniper]

I will announce a set price and deposit amounts next week for the gun with 1 barrel in the caliber of your choice.
It will come with 1 strip mag.

The LDC, spare strip mags and extra caliber packages will be additional to the base rifle package.

Deposits will most likely be 50% which will cover the stock, barrel, cf sleeving parts, pump lever linkage and *some* of the Crosman parts - these guns aren't cheap to build!

I will announce when the price has been listed in my Vendor Gate so I am abiding by forum rules.

Thanks everybody!

Mike

[MEAT]

How is it going over there?

[CarsonRatSniper]

The digital readout on Jim's mill went out Friday...I'm hoping it gets fixed tomorrow.

Mike

[CarsonRatSniper]

Jim's mill is fixed...

I've announced *pricing* in my Vendor Gate.

Mike

[Nomadic Pirate]

I think the price is fair since this aren't guns made in China but are custom pieces

[rsterne]

Everyone would always like a lower price, but as Manny said, these are custom produced, one at a time, from low volume parts runs.... I think Mike has done a great job to bring them in at the price he has.... I look forward to seeing, and shooting, the finished product....

Bob

[jvanschoonhoven]

I worked at a machine shop making prototype parts and running production parts for the gun industry. To be honest I cant believe he can make them for what he is. They are actually going to take a big loss on the first few guns. Typical shop time costs $1 minute then there is the actual cost of materials and all the time to put everything together and test them.
Only way this product is happening is cause these guys love airguns!
I hope everyone here supports them the best they can to keep good guys like them making awesome stuff for us.

[MEAT]

Hey brother! Any accuracy reports yet!?

[CarsonRatSniper]

No completed guns yet...maybe another 4 weeks or so.

Mike

[CarsonRatSniper]

*Update*

I'm sending an assembled lower (minus full internals) to Norm for stock fitting...we're just about done with the power trains then will work on the breech & stick magazine assembly.
We will begin finally barrel assembly once I place my orders for customers barrels - I'm giving folks 1 more week then I'm ordering blanks.

Once that's done the 2 versions of the LDC will begin. Personally I'm going with the 20" barrel and the full 1.25" OD carbon fiber shroud held in tension against the breech band

We're getting closer folks!

Mike








Teaser of the week...I set the lower in my Disco Double Tube stock from my Challenger, just to give you an idea of what it'll look like - my stock is Royal Jacaranda.