TX200, 97K, R11

[Booger]

Many times questions come up on which gun should I get. So I thought I would do an apples to apples to oranges comparison as I see it. Many people look at things in a whole different light. I wish my R11/HW98 was tuned then I could plug in better numbers. So Joe just send my your HW98 and I can update my excel work sheet. I really would like to compare them both tuned and untuned, but that is for another day after I hit the lottery.

                                TX200 .22      HW97K .22     R11/HW98 .177
                                 Full Tune        Full Tune            Untuned
Trigger                            1                    2                      3               
Cocking Effort                  1                    3                      2
Shot Cycle                       2                    1                      3
Accuracy *                      1                     1                      1
Shouldering                     3                    2                      1
Power **                         1                    2                      3
Loudness *                      1                    1                      3
Loading ***                    3                     1                      1
Grip ****                       3                     1                      1
 
Total                             16                   14                    18
Average                       1.78                1.56                  2.00

* No clear winner
** FPE                        16.82              16.27                 14.9
***    HW breech is wider Crosman tend to fit tight in the TX
****  I have small hands


Edit:
I tried to straighten these a little for you.
-Niko

[chet]

well Booger..  you got into some depth there, looks good can you pass along where you get your air gun pills, i think maybe i may need a prescription too....have fun, Joe P will not say where he gets his, if i had to guess they are not covered under Blue Cross.....LOL


   Chet

[Booger]

I just wish I could make it neater, Excel does not copy and paste well.

[Sfttailrdr46]

  Jesse what spring kit in your .22 TX200 I'm getting between 780 and 810 with the Vortek SHO kit in mine

[Booger]

Jesse what spring kit in your .22 TX200 I'm getting between 780 and 810 with the Vortek SHO kit in mine

A worn out Maccari, I am sending my rifle off to be tuned after I go to my first Field Target match 9-13-14. I plan on bringing all three springers. Good thing I will not be competing.

Edit: My TX200 has lost about 50FPS in 40,000 shots.

[Sfttailrdr46]

so I guess 17 fpe is not bad for the .22 TX200

[Booger]

so I guess 17 fpe is not bad for the .22 TX200

It is not about power, but accuracy. I really wish I could have posted this in an Excel format. The questions always arise about which rifle should I get and I think this would answer a lot of questions and be right there in one place with one person's opinion. For example I have small hands & Motorhead (Scott) has large hands, so that makes a difference. Kinda like the compare items at Pyramyd Air.

[Sfttailrdr46]

  I agree my concern is that the TX has enough power to take down a muskrat humanely. My in-laws have a small pond behind their home and presently the muskrats are becoming more than just a mild nuisance. Long story short my father  in-law needs something fairly quiet and powerful enough to take down a muskrat or 5  with the 13.43gr JSB's accuracy is dime size groups at 25 yards and I don't think the kit is fully broken in

[Booger]

I agree my concern is that the TX has enough to take down a muskrat humanely. My in-laws has a small pond behind their home and presently the muskrats are becoming more than just a mild nuisance. Long story short my father  in-law needs something fairly quiet and powerful enough to take down a muskrat or 5

I just purchased another .25 MROD (I regret selling my first). Get him an MROD .25 I hit a pigeon in the head at 105 yards, granted it was a benched shot. For accuracy PCP is the way to go, for pure fun and pleasure I really enjoy my UK & German spring piston rifles. If noise is not a factor the Disco is a nice choice, mine really like the 21 grain H&N Barracuda pellets. I like it so much that I am considering pulling it out of the Classifieds.

Well that is my opinion, you might see things differently.

[Sfttailrdr46]

  I really like my father in-law but I can't afford to set him up with a complete PCP rig with a tank and all the peripherals and a pump is not an option ha has a bad shoulder. I figure the TX is easy to cock  and if need be he can rest it against his thigh then use 2 hands to complete the cocking of the rifle like I do with my D460

[Booger]

I really like my father in-law but I can't afford to set him up with a complete PCP rig with a tank and all the peripherals and a pump is not an option ha has a bad shoulder. I figure the TX is easy to cock  and if need be he can rest it against his thigh then use 2 hands to complete the cocking of the rifle like I do with my D460

I totally understand, while I love my Condor you sold me I think the MROD is slightly more accurate. When you go to the dark side your money runs through your fingers like water, but after a big tank it is really nice. You should really consider R11/HW98 for him, I love mine. With just a lube job I think he would like it better than a TX or 97K. The adjustable stock is so nice.

[Sfttailrdr46]

I really like my father in-law but I can't afford to set him up with a complete PCP rig with a tank and all the peripherals and a pump is not an option ha has a bad shoulder. I figure the TX is easy to cock  and if need be he can rest it against his thigh then use 2 hands to complete the cocking of the rifle like I do with my D460

I totally understand, while I love my Condor you sold me I think the MROD is slightly more accurate. When you go to the dark side your money runs through your fingers like water, but after a big tank it is really nice. You should really consider R11/HW98 for him, I love mine. With just a lube job I think he would like it better than a TX or 97K. The adjustable stock is so nice.

Well the only way he gets an HW98 is if I can work a trade with someone on here that is dying for a very nice TX200 MK III with a Vortek SHO kit installed

[Sfttailrdr46]

If I could afford a tank and fill set up I would let him have the Synthetic Marauder .25 that thing is a tack driver to 100 yards when there is no wind

[Booger]

I really like my father in-law but I can't afford to set him up with a complete PCP rig with a tank and all the peripherals and a pump is not an option ha has a bad shoulder. I figure the TX is easy to cock  and if need be he can rest it against his thigh then use 2 hands to complete the cocking of the rifle like I do with my D460

I totally understand, while I love my Condor you sold me I think the MROD is slightly more accurate. When you go to the dark side your money runs through your fingers like water, but after a big tank it is really nice. You should really consider R11/HW98 for him, I love mine. With just a lube job I think he would like it better than a TX or 97K. The adjustable stock is so nice.

Well the only way he gets an HW98 is if I can work a trade with someone on here that is dying for a very nice TX200 MK III with a Vortek SHO kit installed

That would not be me. My son will have to pry it from my hands after I am dead and gone, and he still may not be able to accomplish that feat. 

[56S]

Good write-up Boog.  It took me a minute to figure out the lower the better.  What had me confused is that I thought the 97 would be harder to cock than the TX.  I guess the tune makes a big difference.  I keep going back and forth between the 97 and the AA then someone throws in the LGU.  I figure about the time I get my pocket change collected for one, the Wather will be old news and imported here.

Thanks again!

[Booger]

Good write-up Boog.  It took me a minute to figure out the lower the better.  What had me confused is that I thought the 97 would be harder to cock than the TX.  I guess the tune makes a big difference.  I keep going back and forth between the 97 and the AA then someone throws in the LGU.  I figure about the time I get my pocket change collected for one, the Wather will be old news and imported here.

Thanks again!

The 97 is harder to cock, I thought the 98 would be, but it seems easier. The TX is easiest and why I gave it a 1.

[56S]

I'm all confused. I see that now.  At silver aged that is a consideration. Thanks for setting me straight.

[Booger]

I'm all confused. I see that now.  At silver aged that is a consideration. Thanks for setting me straight.

Do not discount the R11/HW98 it is easy to cock and loading pellets is easier too. The adjustable stock can not be over rated as well. Just to muddy the waters a little. To muddy them more ask Joe P or anyone else who have shot all three.

[56S]

Maybe it's a bit premature but I want away from the inconsistencies of the break barrel design.  I just don't see how a break barrel can be as consistently accurate as a fixed.  Since this will be my primary home defense weapon (chipmunks) it will seldom ever go any further than the lawn chair on my front porch so weight isn't an issue.  For scouting missions, I'll keep my Lightweight Ruger.

[Booger]

Maybe it's a bit premature but I want away from the inconsistencies of the break barrel design.  I just don't see how a break barrel can be as consistently accurate as a fixed.  Since this will be my primary home defense weapon (chipmunks) it will seldom ever go any further than the lawn chair on my front porch so weight isn't an issue.  For scouting missions, I'll keep my Lightweight Ruger.

It is my opinion and mine only that the R11 hangs in there with both of the other rifles mentioned. If you ever get a chance to shoot one you might see it the same way I do. I have also found that confidence in a rifle helps accuracy.