My gun (Titan) vs the fancy stuff

[Rico14]

To answer your question....... if you had an R9, chances are good you won't be shooting the Titan very much.

[Motorhead]

Having owned a Titan ... currently a X20 Stoeger in .22 cal ( BOTH B-19 platform guns BTW ) never again knowing what I do now.
Not going to slam or discredit those who own and like them ... Just no thank you 

Have been into "Better" air guns sense the early 1980's and along the way had those turds you just had to have and fiddle with HOPING to get a great shooter.  Sometimes the work payed dividends, all too often a money pit that did not. 

The Fancy stuff as you say ... well, more often than not it lives up to the hype and then some 

[45Bravo]

I still look at springers, (kinda like looking at an old girlfriend)

But I have definitely given them up.

I now have another PCP, a marauder.

That makes 3, it never ends..

I love it..

The marauder is a bolt action repeater.

Just pull the bolt, load a pellet, shoot, and do it again.
And again.

So much like a rimfire, but oh so quiet, and fulfilling..

It is a load of fun..

[Sfttailrdr46]

  The only type of AG that I don't own presently is a gasser  but years ago I had a Crosman co2 pistol (don't remember the model #) and I had a ball plinking spiders and grasshoppers with it. Most of my AG's are mid level springers and PCP's. I enjoy shooting both and now will start to thin the heard of some of the lesser rifles. No dislike or dissatisfaction just the need to own more AG's than I presently own makes no sense to me. AG's are a satisfying hobby for me and allow me to tinker and improve them so if I see one I am interested in I will plop down the required cash and enjoy the ride

[Ken T]

I have three PCP's,a carbon fiber 4500 psi tank,and a Hill pump.I haven't touched any of the PCP's for a couple of months.I prefer to use spring piston guns.I don't care for the gas piston guns either.The springers are just more interesting.I do intend to get two of the PCP's out and do some long range shooting when I get a chance.

[cclingma]

I'm understanding more all the time why many of you have large collections of air rifles.  I'm going to have to have a nice springer and a PCP to settle this.  I'm going to go check the couch for loose change cause I'm going to need it. 

[HYspd]

my heart says PCP..my wallet laughs hysterically...

[Booger]

my heart says PCP..my wallet laughs hysterically...

Spring piston guns can cost as much or more than PCPs. My wallet laughed too, and my Credit Cards .

[45Bravo]

My wallet has cobwebs, and the credit cards are all panting from being overworked....

A PCP is not as expensive as you think.

A good german springer can ser you back more than a decent non german PCP.

But there is the FEEL of quality.

Pick up a fwb, or high end rws. Put it to your shoulder, close your eyes and run your hands across it, you can feel the pride in workmanship.

200 can get you a new bam 50, or a flying dragon PCP.
Both are capable of a lot of power, and good accuracy.

If you decide on a springer, and a PCP, look into a under lever springer.

The quality is excellent, and the barrel is always lined up..

[longhunter]

i think what cured me of pcp's was the that you absolutely have to have a way to fill / refill the gun, as well as the limited number of shots before the required refill. if i'm in the woods, and nothing's moving, i like to stump shoot. i've been known to burn through an entire tin of pellets in a day that way. kind of hard to do with a pcp, unless you drag a tank or pump into the woods with you. if i'm strapping an 88 inch tank to my back, there's water involved, not woods. the pump is out. my back won't take it, i already tried that.
springers, on the other hand, are a grab & go gun. the only time the fun stops is if you run out of ammo, or, you decide to quit for the day.
yes, there's something to be said for the accuracy of pcp, but, there's none of the satisfaction of knowing that you've truly mastered something, to the point of near perfection, like there is with a springer. at least not for me.

just my two cents.

[Sfttailrdr46]

  Scott my goal is to enjoy the AG's and shooting to the best of my ability with any of my rifles. presently I can pick up any of mine and shoot dime or quarter size groups at 25 yards and 1" at 50 yards. The only one that gives me fits is the Gamo Whisper .177 and some of that is me not being patient with the shots

[Benwaller]

...the satisfaction of knowing that you've truly mastered something, to the point of near perfection, like there is with a springer. at least not for me.
just my two cents.

I'm down with that.  Carrying the simplest airgun of them all, the springer, into the woods has a lot to recommend it.  I do appreciate the high tech of the PCP as well as its accuracy potential but when I go forth to smite the grave diggers I launch a lot of pellets, some of 'em just practice shots as longhunter mentioned. 

I like simple, quick-handling and self-contained;  in the woods I favor the springer or gas ram.  Yeah, put me down for optimized simplicity when out in the remote.

Ben

[longhunter]

Scott my goal is to enjoy the AG's and shooting to the best of my ability with any of my rifles. presently I can pick up any of mine and shoot dime or quarter size groups at 25 yards and 1" at 50 yards. The only one that gives me fits is the Gamo Whisper .177 and some of that is me not being patient with the shots

I agree. If you don't enjoy , or can't master a springer, and some are very hard to get a handle on, PCP or msp, co2 are the way to go. I've owned / currently possess all four types. I do miss my condor. That gun was a real accurate hammer. But, like I said, it had it's limitating factors.
I'm darn good with my springers and gasrams. That's what I'll be sticking with. I don't know if I should say that I've mastered the gun, or, if I've mastered myself. I guess you could say that it's a zenlike accomplishment. Know what I mean?

[Sfttailrdr46]

Scott my goal is to enjoy the AG's and shooting to the best of my ability with any of my rifles. presently I can pick up any of mine and shoot dime or quarter size groups at 25 yards and 1" at 50 yards. The only one that gives me fits is the Gamo Whisper .177 and some of that is me not being patient with the shots

I agree. If you don't enjoy , or can't master a springer, and some are very hard to get a handle on, PCP or msp, co2 are the way to go. I've owned / currently possess all four types. I do miss my condor. That gun was a real accurate hammer. But, like I said, it had it's limitating factors.
I'm darn good with my springers and gasrams. That's what I'll be sticking with. I don't know if I should say that I've mastered the gun, or, if I've mastered myself. I guess you could say that it's a zenlike accomplishment. Know what I mean?

I couldn't agree more when I am in a "ZONE" I feel unbeatable and can't miss

[TC]

Springers and PCPs all have their pros and cons. For years, springers were my go to platform. When the desire came for ultimate precision, then a PCP was the right platform for me. Springers taught me the importance of proper hold. If budget was my prime concern, then the Stoeger or Crosman line is what I would select. They can be enhanced over time with low cost parts and easily serviced with minimal tools and skill. I'm enjoying my first PCP, a Marauder. It is point and shoot with excellent precision right out-of-the-box. I do enjoy shooting whatever happens to be in my hands.

[Benwaller]

I don't know if I should say that I've mastered the gun, or, if I've mastered myself. I guess you could say that it's a zenlike accomplishment. Know what I mean?

Indeed I do.  The gun is just being a gun;  what it's really all about is how well the shooter controls the shooter, less about whatever bad behavior might be built into the gun, though as we all know they's some guns that cain't be rode.  I've had a couple of those.  Last I saw 'em they were vacationing in a dumpster.

I also get how the pursuit of ultimate precision works.  These days I'm going for excellent precision from the offhand position in the tall grass, sweat running into my eyes and so forth though I still do have that gear jones that demands perfection from time to time but not so often anymore.  Been there, done that, yeah maybe I'll do it again but not right now.  Right now it's all about a carbined 'Hawk smothered in bed liner...and a Titan that I still cannot believe shoots as well as it does...actually, there are several guns in the cabinet that do real good...hmmm...I'm headed to the back 40, time to launch a few...maybe I should just get a SmartPhone and quit getting all this exercise...become a zombie, fit right in...

It's zen, man.

   Ben

[c2k5]

I bought 3 springers and 1 co2 air rifle before I finally had enough and bought a pcp. Now I'm a happy camper. Buy once cry once

[longhunter]

Hey, Ben. Been meaning to ask, how's that hawk shootin'??

[cclingma]

Original poster here, and I'm still checking in on this one regularly.  I must admit that I'm still all mixed up on PCP vs better springer vs no change.  I love, love, love the freedom of no support equipment that the springer offers.  I just said love three times.  I also would really like to try the no recoil, no vibe, and most importantly no hold sensitivity of a PCP.  I get what you guys are saying about the zen experience with springer.  I've been at one with my break barrell a few times and the hit whatever I want feeling is oh so good.  But, when I went squirreling I was busy thinking about don't hold too tight, don't let forend touch tree I'm leaning against, don't drop pellet (I'm wanting a repeater).  Maybe I just haven't shot it enough but life is always going to get in the way.  I'm sure there will be times when I don't shoot for a month and then pick up a rifle and expect squirrel head accuracy.  Rim fire used to be that way for me and I'm thinking PCP would too.  Tough decision.

[Sfttailrdr46]

Original poster here, and I'm still checking in on this one regularly.  I must admit that I'm still all mixed up on PCP vs better springer vs no change.  I love, love, love the freedom of no support equipment that the springer offers.  I just said love three times.  I also would really like to try the no recoil, no vibe, and most importantly no hold sensitivity of a PCP.  I get what you guys are saying about the zen experience with springer.  I've been at one with my break barrell a few times and the hit whatever I want feeling is oh so good.  But, when I went squirreling I was busy thinking about don't hold too tight, don't let forend touch tree I'm leaning against, don't drop pellet (I'm wanting a repeater).  Maybe I just haven't shot it enough but life is always going to get in the way.  I'm sure there will be times when I don't shoot for a month and then pick up a rifle and expect squirrel head accuracy.  Rim fire used to be that way for me and I'm thinking PCP would too.  Tough decision.

The hardest thing is deciding on your personal comfort level as far as what you are willing to spend  for the cost of a Quality break barrel or under lever you can buy a refurb Marauder Synthetic .25 and pump if you desire power and accuracy. The Diana 460 .177 is quite capable of minute of squirrel head at 30 to 50 yards an 1 shot 1 kill power not hold sensitive and very pretty to boot, If less expensive rifles are the only option and still want non hold sensitive Gamo CFR may be your best choice