New .357 prototype from Crosman

[rsterne]

190 FPE with various bullet weights is as follows:

RB (67 gr.) = 1130 fps
Pellet (78 gr.) = 1047 fps
100 gr. = 925 fps
120 gr. = 844 fps
140 gr. = 782 fps
160 gr. = 731 fps

Since the FPE level of most PCPs increases with bullet weight, IF Crosman's 190 FPE claim is real, then it is likely with a 140-160 gr. bullet, so you can expect the velocities with the lighter bullets to be LESS than the numbers above.... To me, that means that taking into account a desire for a reasonably flat trajectory, the ideal bullet weight is going to be between 100-120 gr.... The only .357 ammo Crosman still lists is the 145 gr. Nosler (likely what they tested with to get their 190 FPE which works out to 768 fps).... It seems likely to me that this is a 50 yard gun at best....

Bob

[Gatorproof]

NOMADIC Pirate,

•◇•◇••Crosman timeframe between the 1st unveiling of a new gun to when they are actually on the shelves can run in excess of a year, that has been the norm the past few years.if you can't get an infinity you can get a 7 shots repeter .357 in the Rainstorm at 900 bucks after 10% off at Pyramyd◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆
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Thanks for the tip, sounds worth the look.
Be Well,

One thing I have noticed, if a guy buys one Evanix then they seem to buy 4 or 5
Gator

[Bwalton]

190 FPE with various bullet weights is as follows:

RB (67 gr.) = 1130 fps
Pellet (78 gr.) = 1047 fps
100 gr. = 925 fps
120 gr. = 844 fps
140 gr. = 782 fps
160 gr. = 731 fps

Since the FPE level of most PCPs increases with bullet weight, IF Crosman's 190 FPE claim is real, then it is likely with a 140-160 gr. bullet, so you can expect the velocities with the lighter bullets to be LESS than the numbers above.... To me, that means that taking into account a desire for a reasonably flat trajectory, the ideal bullet weight is going to be between 100-120 gr.... The only .357 ammo Crosman still lists is the 145 gr. Nosler (likely what they tested with to get their 190 FPE which works out to 768 fps).... It seems likely to me that this is a 50 yard gun at best....

Bob

looking At those numbers Bob I myself would go for the 100gr @ 925fps which would give me some great kill range! 100ftlb@ 65yards! with a pellet speed of 670fps

[Nomadic Pirate]

Bob is absolutely correct.

Just as a reminder about past Crosman practices without going to the more recent NP2 preproduction claims.

Before the Rogue came out Crosman was claiming a 250 FPE gun for 4 shots with basically no fps chnge.

when the actual gun hit the market they had to change the specs to 190 FPE ( and that was achieved with the 190gr bullets at a dismal mid/upper 600fps ) and down to 3 shots with a spread that was worse than a decent tuned mechanical gun.

in the end, I'm not saying that this will be the same for the new gun, but certanly Crosman preproduction claims aren't something that you wanna take to the bank

[rkr]

NOMADIC Pirate,

•◇•◇••Crosman timeframe between the 1st unveiling of a new gun to when they are actually on the shelves can run in excess of a year, that has been the norm the past few years.if you can't get an infinity you can get a 7 shots repeter .357 in the Rainstorm at 900 bucks after 10% off at Pyramyd◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆
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Thanks for the tip, sounds worth the look.
Be Well,

One thing I have noticed, if a guy buys one Evanix then they seem to buy 4 or 5
Gator

I have two Evanix guns and neither met my expectations. I was able to make the .357 a decent one but I'm really not looking forward for another korean made disappointment.

[Nomadic Pirate]

Too bad for you brother because there's a ton of estatic Evanix owners out there

here a link to the .357 MAX-ML video

http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/thread/1405389691/Posted+a+short+video+on+the+Evanix+MAX-ML+Bullpup..

[rsterne]

I think perhaps my "short" .357 cal Bob's Boattail might be just the ticket, at 109 gr.... that would be 190 FPE at 886 fps, and the predicted BC is 0.18, which would give a retained velocity of 850 fps (175 FPE) at 100 yards.... Even if the BC ends up "only" being 0.12 the velocity at 100 yards would be 832 fps and the energy 168 FPE....

Bob

[jhm757]

190 FPE with various bullet weights is as follows:

RB (67 gr.) = 1130 fps
Pellet (78 gr.) = 1047 fps
100 gr. = 925 fps
120 gr. = 844 fps
140 gr. = 782 fps
160 gr. = 731 fps

Since the FPE level of most PCPs increases with bullet weight, IF Crosman's 190 FPE claim is real, then it is likely with a 140-160 gr. bullet, so you can expect the velocities with the lighter bullets to be LESS than the numbers above.... To me, that means that taking into account a desire for a reasonably flat trajectory, the ideal bullet weight is going to be between 100-120 gr.... The only .357 ammo Crosman still lists is the 145 gr. Nosler (likely what they tested with to get their 190 FPE which works out to 768 fps).... It seems likely to me that this is a 50 yard gun at best....

Bob

The pellets or bullets ( I'm not sure what they were called, they looked more like bullets to me) that were being shot were 175 gr if I heard correctly, a Crosman product that they are not currently making, but still had some kicking around. And the guy said around 800 fps and 190 fpe. According to your numbers, 175 gr at 800 fps would come out to considerably more than 190 fpe, maybe I heard wrong and they were 125 gr at 800 fps and 190 fpe that seems to fit much better with your numbers.

I thought the guy said 175 gr but it seems I may have heard wrong.
Do you know what Crosman has sold in the past, 125 gr or 175 gr?
I know they were not the Nosler 145 gr cause I picked one up and looked at it, no ballistic tip, looked like a lead .38 pistol bullet.

Jim - jhm757

[rsterne]

I've never heard of a Crosman 175 gr. bullet, but they did have something lighter than the Nosler, no longer in their catalogue.... if it was 135 gr. @ 796 fps that is 190 FPE.... I found an old Pyramyd image of a 127 gr. flat nose and a 158 gr. round nose.... both listed as "Benjamin Persuit" bullets.... they also had a 95 gr. HP....

Bob

[Gatorproof]

So it is, I have lost my vision and my WiFi.

Be Well,
Gator

[rsterne]

Pics are still there....

Bob

[Tpatner412]

Picture is still there. And to be clear as you made a comment earlier about me working for PA and posting this for Crosman.....I posted this for the GTA as a member here, not as a PA employee and not having been asked by Crosman.  Been a member for far longer than I have been working in this industry and will be one should I ever stop working in the industry.

Just wanted to clear the air on that.

Tyler

And on a side note, why would Crosman want that photo pulled?  And what makes you think they could make me do such a thing?

[Gatorproof]

Easy Tyler,
I went through a thing a couple years ago with a"""" Tech company forcing an employee employed  in the industry to pull some proto type photos""""". It happens☆★☆★☆★☆★,  and since I have experienced this type of thing in the past it was perfectly logical to me. I just assumed most people knew that, my bad.

Turns out my wifi was losing signal quality. I live in the sticks and run all computer devices in the house from a 4g MiFi. 4 tablets, two desktops and sometimes a Ultra Book.

I wished we had real internet access. No hard feelings,

Be Well,
Gator

  ○●○●○●"So if I understood things, a salesperson from P.A. introduced the new .357 to GTA.?" ○●○●○●○ is this the sentence that offended you?
 If so, sorry Tyler. I have actually talked to you on the phone and purchased from you,

I don't understand why this question would be inappropriate?

[Tpatner412]

No worries Gator, you did not offend, I just wanted to make sure the distinction was made.  It is important to me and probably to PA as well that there is a difference.  PA has their own account for that exact reason.  I try to post as little as possible about business and I can see how it may have looked as if I was doing Crosman a solid because of industry ties.  Makes sense to me as well, that is why I felt it needed to be addressed.  Sorry if I came off a bit rash, that was not my intention. 

Tyler

[Gatorproof]

Tyler,
In a earlier post I mentioned that since I could not find a SingSung, this Crosman might be just right.
I don't feel you were doing all this "solid thing".
I was happy to see it. I am glad you shared your hands on time with the GTA family.
If the Crosman is decent I will be a buyer. Also, since you did offer your services at P.A. and you see a SingSung Infinity come into inventory,  I will be your first customer if you notify me. My email is in Profile.
  By the same token please feel free to email any new information on big bore repeaters other then what you currently have in catalog.

Thank You,
Gator

[jhm757]

The only reason Tyler was the first to post pictures of the new Crosman Big Bore Prototype was because he got to a computer quicker than I did!!!

Jim - jhm757

[AZAG]

I think that looks pretty cool.  I don't really understand some of the negative comments. I like a nice walnut stock too but can appreciate the futuristic look too. Different strokes for different folks.  Two things are for certain but unrelated: Like many airguns it will only reach its full potential post tuning, and the usual group of Crosman haters will pronounce it a $)((# without having shot it or even seen one in real life.  Hopefully actual users will post honest reviews.

[Monkeydad1969]

I think it would look cool with a more skeletal look to the barrel, say with the rail running the full length.

[William]

Gun looks slick.  Wasn't too loud and seemed to shoot pretty decent.  New marauder was out there as well in a tactical stock.  I am sure others will post pics




Tyler

Thats got to be the ugliest thing I ever laid eyes on! Looks like a waste of a good 4x4... why cant they just make something that looks normal and not look like it weighs 300 LB. I sure hope that Crosman didnt make the barrel for it!

I want sleek, lite weight and good wood, I have no use for a tactical look, just doesn't float my boat!

[dogwood]

not a big fan of bullpups, but I kinda like the way it looks