Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock



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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #100 on: December 04, 2016, 05:09:50 PM »
Renewing an older thread here, I was wondering if those of you that did the soft bed thing, now after having used the guns for a half year or more, do you still think it was worthwhile doing it, or did  the cushioning eventually become too flattened and the improvements disappear?
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #101 on: January 21, 2017, 02:39:16 PM »
Renewing an older thread here, I was wondering if those of you that did the soft bed thing, now after having used the guns for a half year or more, do you still think it was worthwhile doing it, or did  the cushioning eventually become too flattened and the improvements disappear?
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #102 on: January 21, 2017, 02:53:41 PM »
Mine are still shooting just as good now as when I originally did them. Even flattened some, it still provides a cushion between the metal of the action and the wood of the stock.
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #103 on: January 22, 2017, 01:43:02 PM »
When I first heard about this I did ALL my springers and several of a buddies, as well.
2+ years later they still have the 'cushion', and I still believe them to be softer shooting and more accurate.
For the first six months I checked screws every time I picked the gun up. Now, not so often.   They have never loosened because of the material compression.
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #104 on: March 18, 2017, 05:53:18 PM »
Mike Hancock here,

ALL my guns are still shooting fine with the original 2 year old soft bedding in place.  I keep them stored inside in a gun safe where it's around room temp. so there should be no problems with drying or cracking.  My envelope of bulk neoprene sheeting I have on hand is still fine too.  IMHO, a third benefit, aside from the two discussed benefits of sound thwack noise reduction in your cheek weld -- and overall vibration dampening throughout the whole gun stock during shooting, is you get a perfect bedding job.  In other words you nullify any high and low spots where wood touches metal.  It correlates to glass bedding a powder rifle.  A perfect bedding job!

AND, contrary to what's been written on here, I think Timmy's material is a bit too thin and a bit too hard.  He gave me some, and although it's WAY BETTER than nothing, it's not as nice as my stuff.  I use pure, black, 1/4- inch thick med hard neoprene sheets bought on E-Bay.  Harder than wet suit materiel by quite a bit, but not really hard.  I bought a bunch of it when I first started this crazy idea / project. 

The ONLY GUN I've had neutral results with was the AA TX 200.  That gun has almost no stock contact forward of the front stock screw.  It's all relieved so the whole front of the chamber area floats.  No real place to put bedding!  Maybe that's why they shoot so well right out of the box. Not enough metal to wood contact to be much problem.   GOOD LUCK!
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #105 on: April 23, 2017, 10:40:28 PM »
I was wondering if anyone had tried this modification on a Hatsan torpedo 100X?

I'd be curious....

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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #106 on: January 15, 2019, 03:40:01 AM »
I'm bringing this old thread back up to hopefully benefit others who love their springers.
I think this thread should be made a "Sticky" so that it will continue to help folks get the most out of their Springers and Gas Rams.

And just for the record,

 I recently became the Proud Caretaker of a VERY fine, (practically Legendary)  "Lady",
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 She has taken down, drilled, pulverized, smashed, and short circuited more backyard rats,
 (and a few skweerrlls too),
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 She was, (and still is), the absolute Pride and Joy, of one of our finest members, who entrusted me to care for her, keep her well, and keep her happy, while he returned to his native homeland (Sweden) to be closer to his children. I am Truly HONORED to have her staying with me, and I'll make sure she feels very pampered and loved  :D

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I'm thinking that maybe Gretchen deserves it, and might like to give the Soft Bedding a try .
 What do you think Mike ?

 Do you think a Fully Tuned, Top of the line, absolute DREAM to Shoot, .20 cal HW97K could also benefit from the Soft  Bedding job ?
 (I almost can't imagine her shooting any better than she already does, but maybe ?)
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #107 on: January 15, 2019, 04:18:11 AM »
Mike Hancock here,

ALL my guns are still shooting fine with the original 2 year old soft bedding in place.  I keep them stored inside in a gun safe where it's around room temp. so there should be no problems with drying or cracking.  My envelope of bulk neoprene sheeting I have on hand is still fine too.  IMHO, a third benefit, aside from the two discussed benefits of sound thwack noise reduction in your cheek weld -- and overall vibration dampening throughout the whole gun stock during shooting, is you get a perfect bedding job.  In other words you nullify any high and low spots where wood touches metal.  It correlates to glass bedding a powder rifle.  A perfect bedding job!

AND, contrary to what's been written on here, I think Timmy's material is a bit too thin and a bit too hard.  He gave me some, and although it's WAY BETTER than nothing, it's not as nice as my stuff.  I use pure, black, 1/4- inch thick med hard neoprene sheets bought on E-Bay.  Harder than wet suit materiel by quite a bit, but not really hard.  I bought a bunch of it when I first started this crazy idea / project. 

The ONLY GUN I've had neutral results with was the AA TX 200.  That gun has almost no stock contact forward of the front stock screw.  It's all relieved so the whole front of the chamber area floats.  No real place to put bedding!  Maybe that's why they shoot so well right out of the box. Not enough metal to wood contact to be much problem.   GOOD LUCK!

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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #108 on: January 15, 2019, 02:09:56 PM »
IVe seen sorbothane used as the dampening material.

But the isntance I was aware of needed reliefs cut in the stock for the material to rest in. Tim and Mike;s version of this is wayyyyyyy easier for the average shooter to do

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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #109 on: January 15, 2019, 05:11:22 PM »
Mike Hancock, zmike, messaged me today and said that 1/8 inch thick was the best thickness to use.
I bought this to give it a try:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BS4CV1D/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #110 on: January 15, 2019, 06:32:21 PM »
 ;) ;D That should work for you, being in HVAC I used the 2" wide Armaflex closed cell insulating tape that we use on refrigeration "suction lines " to prevent condensation on the cool copper pipes
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #111 on: January 15, 2019, 07:55:33 PM »
Thank you for this thread, Ill be trying this as soon as I can buy some material.
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #112 on: January 15, 2019, 09:33:00 PM »
I tried the soft bedding (1/8" adhesive backed neoprene) on my 48 and it won't stay in place. Really couldn't see any difference in accuracy or shot cycle either, my .02.
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #113 on: January 16, 2019, 03:46:09 AM »
Well I didn't have any 1/8" neoprene laying around, but I did have this thin sheet rubber.
 So I figured "What the heck" "Cant hurt to give it a shot" right ?
It is .015 thick, and it certainly is not going to really compress like closed cell foam would, but it still should offer some kind of dampening effect. It's Not that "Gretchen" has a harsh shot cycle or anything like that,
and to be honest, I have so little trigger time with her,
 that I wouldnt be able to say if there is much of a change either way.

 I wont be able to try it until this weekend. If I like the way it shoots and feels, it'll stay,
 And if not, it can be easily removed.





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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #114 on: January 24, 2019, 02:32:27 PM »
I tried the foam bedding on my Benjamin Titan NP .177 wood stock.
It may have helped the accuracy some.
I cannot shoot break barrels good enough to see how much it helped.
It is shooting 8 or 9 shots out of ten into a 0.75" group at 18 yards.
That is about as good as I can shoot a break barrel most days.
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #115 on: January 25, 2019, 09:23:47 AM »
Nice information indeed.

I'd bedding of springers several times but I'm using neutraly(!) curing silicone (don't try the acid type one used in bath rooms etca.).

I prepare the stock usually degreasing inside and putting some masking tape on the edges.
Then wrap the system in one or two layers of clingwrap.
Silicone is put in the stock followed by the system.
Stock screws are get tightened in several small steps to allow the silicone to spread even, fill any gaps and to form a thin layer.
No need to overtighten the screws in the final step - just handtight is fine.
Let it cure at least overnight (depending on ambient temperature).
Take the system out and get clingwrap off.
Remove masking tape from stock awa any excess silicone.
Put a thin layer of gunoil on the system and assembly.
Job done.

Oh yes - it makes a difference.

Will try late to add some pictures here.

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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #116 on: February 04, 2019, 01:44:58 AM »
Greetings pelletcaster,
Any update on the silicon bedding project on your LGV?
What shot benefit did you notice the most with this silicon bedding method?
What made you try curing silicone rather than the neoprene rubber option?
I am in the middle of tweaking my LGV Ultra for more consistent and better shot performance and appreciate any thoughts on this bedding method and the results you got.
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