Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock



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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #60 on: October 29, 2015, 10:27:20 PM »
Thanks guys. Home Depot has it on the shelf 2"x 30' roll for $10.97 item SKU# 329131. It can also be ordered on line from them. Lowes does not carry in store or on line. One roll should cover most folks needs for a lifetime. I know it will mine since I have already done most of my springers
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #61 on: October 30, 2015, 01:38:16 AM »
Closest Home Depot to me is 50 + miles away and they had no option for shipping this item. I was able to find it ( or close to it) at an online supply house. Here is the link;
 http://www.supplyhouse.com/Parker-Hannifin-475290-K502-Alternative-Foam-Insulation-Tape-1-8-x-2-x-30
I took a shot and ordered a roll... total was $12.20 delivered.
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #62 on: October 30, 2015, 07:20:09 AM »
Closest Home Depot to me is 50 + miles away and they had no option for shipping this item. I was able to find it ( or close to it) at an online supply house. Here is the link;
 http://www.supplyhouse.com/Parker-Hannifin-475290-K502-Alternative-Foam-Insulation-Tape-1-8-x-2-x-30
I took a shot and ordered a roll... total was $12.20 delivered.
As long as that is a closed cell neoprene foam tape it shouls work fine if it is open cell foam it will compress and lose its resiliance
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #63 on: October 30, 2015, 09:56:42 AM »
True... it says it adheres to itself so I'm hoping it is.
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #64 on: October 31, 2015, 01:11:02 AM »
True... it says it adheres to itself so I'm hoping it is.
Let me know if it isn't, I will pick up a roll for you at one of the refrigeration supply places that I deal with and ship it to you
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #65 on: October 31, 2015, 01:16:46 AM »
Thanks... I got tracking.. I'll know Tuesday.
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #66 on: October 31, 2015, 12:37:28 PM »
I tried open and closed cell foam. You need 1/8 th neoprene rubber. Take my word for it.
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #67 on: October 31, 2015, 12:56:37 PM »
Yes the closed cell foam is much more durable and effective
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #68 on: November 02, 2015, 08:49:18 AM »
Interesting subject. Has anyone tried this on a HW 97? I found this on Amazon   http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0086KQSMK?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailpages00#descriptionAndDetails . The ad states it's closed cell neoprene foam. It is already sized at 3/8" so I just need to cut to length. Price was not to bad so I purchased a roll and will be the Guinea Pig. If it doesn't work I have other uses for it.
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #69 on: November 02, 2015, 10:51:01 AM »
Interesting subject. Has anyone tried this on a HW 97? I found this on Amazon   http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0086KQSMK?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailpages00#descriptionAndDetails . The ad states it's closed cell neoprene foam. It is already sized at 3/8" so I just need to cut to length. Price was not to bad so I purchased a roll and will be the Guinea Pig. If it doesn't work I have other uses for it.
Dang !! one month for delivery. I bookmarked it anyways just in case the one I bought ain't what it is supposed to be.
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #70 on: November 02, 2015, 12:09:10 PM »
Interesting subject. Has anyone tried this on a HW 97? I found this on Amazon   http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0086KQSMK?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailpages00#descriptionAndDetails . The ad states it's closed cell neoprene foam. It is already sized at 3/8" so I just need to cut to length. Price was not to bad so I purchased a roll and will be the Guinea Pig. If it doesn't work I have other uses for it.
Dang !! one month for delivery. I bookmarked it anyways just in case the one I bought ain't what it is supposed to be.
Thanks

 I received an email from the vendor this morning stating Amazon was way off in their delivery estimation. He said he would be shipping within 24 hours and I should have it in less than 10 days. Coming from the other side of the pond. 33' is more than I'll ever use, you are more than welcome to a few feet of it.
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #71 on: November 02, 2015, 12:15:10 PM »
Interesting subject. Has anyone tried this on a HW 97? I found this on Amazon   http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0086KQSMK?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailpages00#descriptionAndDetails . The ad states it's closed cell neoprene foam. It is already sized at 3/8" so I just need to cut to length. Price was not to bad so I purchased a roll and will be the Guinea Pig. If it doesn't work I have other uses for it.
Dang !! one month for delivery. I bookmarked it anyways just in case the one I bought ain't what it is supposed to be.
Thanks

 I received an email from the vendor this morning stating Amazon was way off in their delivery estimation. He said he would be shipping within 24 hours and I should have it in less than 10 days. Coming from the other side of the pond. 33' is more than I'll ever use, you are more than welcome to a few feet of it.
Whew!!! good news for you.. I've ordered things from China and delivery has taken a little more time but, I month? I was like WHOA!!
Thanks for the offer. I think if the roll I ordered is not the right stuff I'll just order a roll of the same as you got. I'm sure it's not gonna be my only project.
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #72 on: November 02, 2015, 01:23:08 PM »
Can't speak for all synthetic stock guns but, I just had the stock off of my chopped Silent Cat and soft bedding is going to be all but impossible. The action doesn't sit on solid surface. It sit on molded ribs a tad over 1/8" wide spaced about an 1 1/4 apart down the full length of the gun. Best I could do is a small piece near the front screws on either side and a piece or 2 around the trigger hole and at the rear of the action. In my opinion, that will leave the rest of the action either barely touching or not at all touching the rest of the ribs. It just seems to me that will make the gun even more hollow sounding or buzzing. it's all good, my modest little tune really smoothed things out and I get just a solid thunk at the end of the shot. I can and will live with that.
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #73 on: November 03, 2015, 03:11:11 PM »
Mike Hancock here:

Yes, it works with the HK 97's   I've done my 4 with very good results.  Did a buddy's with same result. 
Yes.  You need 1/8-inch thick "neoprene rubber."  Foam in most of its forms is too mushy.  Timmy Mac has a bunch of the correct stuff at his shop (Mac1 Airguns) and will mail you some for a couple of bucks and the price of a self-addressed return envelope.  See page three of blog.
Yes.  It's tough to do Synthetic stocked airguns because their stocks are so hollowed out.   Also, the TX 200 stocks are difficult to do because the bedding area in them is only about 4-iches long in the bottom and then it's hollowed out the rest of the way forward too.  But it does help the TX 200's some and definitely takes out the "thwack" you hear from the stock against your cheek.   
BTW...Tim reported to me that some of the springier benchrest guys are doing this now too. 
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #74 on: November 03, 2015, 04:29:30 PM »
Thanks Mike for the info on the HW 97 and foam not working. Hopefully Timmy has some neoprene rubber left. I'll contact him.
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #75 on: November 05, 2015, 12:22:13 AM »
You can pick it up on line armaflex insulating tape it is neoprene tape ~2" wide and 20 ft on the roll or try Lowes & Home Depot
I just grabbed a roll if that and did the Titan tonight. That roll is enough to do about 900 Titans. :)
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #76 on: November 28, 2015, 12:42:04 PM »
Thanks Mike for the info on the HW 97 and foam not working. Hopefully Timmy has some neoprene rubber left. I'll contact him.

Foams come in numerous densities so the high density/closed cell would be the best. The slow recovery type is the liner they often use in High end audio speaker cabinets to make them sound non-resonating. That is what I have. My Best friend does Surround sound systems/Home theater so he has bales of this stuff precut for various applications. He gave me enough to last till the next century. That is why I'm giving it away for a few dollars of postage. I'll never run out so don't ask me if I still have some. The answer will be don't ask, just do it.
Send a SASE (Large Envelope) with $2 on it to Mac1 AG /Sticky Bed 13974 Van Ness Ave. Gardena CA 90249-2900
I will send a few ounces of the sticky back insulation/soundproofing material (enough to do several large springers).

On HW and RWS rifles (including the numerous clones) with 5MMX.8 Metric stock fasteners I recommend the Mac1 Cup Kit (On Special now).

If you buy a Cup Kit just Mention Sticky Bed in your order notes and I will add a bunch of the soft bedding Material to your order for free.

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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #77 on: November 28, 2015, 09:23:00 PM »
Hey All.
I have a Benji Trail NP with a synthetic stock. Do you think it'd be possible to attach the neoprene to the tube then place it in the stock? With all the cutouts there's not much flat surfaces to attach in the stock.
Was also thinking maybe add Neoprene in the cutouts to make it an even surface?

Anyone done a syn stock yet? Any advice?

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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #78 on: December 04, 2015, 05:16:46 PM »
Mike Hancock Here!
Your idea of doing the whole spring tube seams feasible for hollowed out stock synthetic guns.  At least you'll be sure to hit all the possible bedding spots.   

BTW---a note for you powder rifle shooters.  I have a Ruger Synthetic stock 300 WSM.  It shot OK (maybe 1-1/2 inch at 100 yards)
but...I tried the soft bedding at the very end of the stock where it pushes up against the BBL.  Now all are shots touching-- maybe 3/8th inch 3 shot groups.  I might have just got lucky here--- but just reporting what happened.  Sorry..I know this is an air gun forum~! 
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #79 on: December 04, 2015, 05:44:29 PM »
Actually I just got to day 3 after bedding the synthetic stock and it shoots great!! :)
I put the neoprene in just like you would the wood stock but had to go over the "ribs" (for lack of a better term) which is actually where the metal touches. Seems like a big improvement and wasn't hard to do at all! :)
BTW: I have a Benjamin Trail NP with a synthetic stock. :)
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