Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock



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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2015, 11:01:23 AM »
What hardness/density neoprene rubber should be used?  I see several different Durometer or Shore ratings.  Thanks.

It is a question for Mike but I would guess as soft as possible.

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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2015, 05:16:31 PM »
I just gave this a whirl on my recently acquired B-21 and I am thrilled with the results!  It is really amazing how something so simple can make such a dramatic change!  Very pleased and a big thanks for posting this!!  Next are my Diana's.
Take er easy....Dan

EDIT...I am no longer thrilled...I'm bloody ecstatic ;D.   I am shooting indoors rested at just under 40ft.  The fore stock is rested and the butt is on a sock filled with corn cob media that is squeezed or released for elevation..real high tech eh!  Anyhow, before the bedding if I pulled the gun tight into my shoulder but light with my cheek it would group well.  Same thing again, before the bedding, same POA but this time very loose on the gun, pretty much the only thing touching was my trigger finger and it groups well at a totally different POI, which I can understand.  If the hold was consistant so was the poi, but any change in the hold would show as a change in poi.

After the bedding it does not matter..gorilla hold, light hold or anything in between the POI is the same and I am talking 5 shots 1 ragged hole!  I have been very happy with the accuracy of this rifle, but since this cheap quick mod this is a level up.  Its just amazing how a bit of dampening material can change things so much. 
 
this is what I used from Home depot....little narrow but just cut into strips
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #43 on: January 14, 2015, 03:03:05 PM »
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2015, 01:36:15 PM »
BUmp for a great thread.IM going to try this on my xs46U which is not hold very sensitive and the xs12 which is pretty hold sensitive.I wonder if this bedding mod would help out a PCP like the Mrod?
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2015, 12:29:41 PM »
I just did the soft bedding to a nitro piston pistol and a nitro piston synthetic rifle. Pistol shoots great haven't shot rifle yet but am sure it will be improved. On the rifle stock I put strips on the bedding ridges only.  Iron Hand
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #47 on: July 20, 2015, 03:42:06 AM »
 Ordered my Sorbothane earlier today and can't wait to do this to all 3 rifles.

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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #48 on: July 29, 2015, 05:53:27 PM »
I have a question.  My Diana 34 is extremely accurate at 25 yards, but, like most springers, it is very hold sensitive.  I know that this soft bedding is supposed to help eliminate the hold sensitivity.  My biggest problem is with the point of impact changing.  I've learned to be very consistent with the hold, hence the ragged one-hole groups I get.  The problem is that the groups just keep changing poi, as much as 1/2" to 1", and this is really puzzling to me.  My question:  do any of you think the soft bedding will take care of this "wandering" poi issue?  Thanks for any thoughts!
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #49 on: July 30, 2015, 01:22:31 PM »
I have a question.  My Diana 34 is extremely accurate at 25 yards, but, like most springers, it is very hold sensitive.  I know that this soft bedding is supposed to help eliminate the hold sensitivity.  My biggest problem is with the point of impact changing.  I've learned to be very consistent with the hold, hence the ragged one-hole groups I get.  The problem is that the groups just keep changing poi, as much as 1/2" to 1", and this is really puzzling to me.  My question:  do any of you think the soft bedding will take care of this "wandering" poi issue?  Thanks for any thoughts!

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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #50 on: July 30, 2015, 04:16:59 PM »
Thanks Timmy!  I'll give it a try! 8)  Standard size envelope with $1.20 in postage affixed?  Thanks!
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #51 on: July 31, 2015, 09:26:55 AM »
Thanks Timmy!  I'll give it a try! 8)  Standard size envelope with $1.20 in postage affixed?  Thanks!

Larger the better. This is the rate for two ounces, in a large envelope and less than 3/4" thick.

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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #52 on: July 31, 2015, 08:32:21 PM »
As always, I appreciate you and your service.  Thanks Timmy!
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #53 on: August 19, 2015, 08:06:37 PM »
Pictures of Soft Bedding a Beeman  R-1:

1- Cut your 3/8 to 1/4 inch wide Strips
2- Peel back the sticky back
3- Place along inlet line of stock leaving 1/16 inch gap up from edge.  (if you put right on the edge, as material mushes, it extends out over the edge and flakes off.
4. Same as above
5- Fore Stock bedding in place
6- Leave a little gap for the cross-pin that holds trigger in place. The material on each side will hold up the cross-pin just enough that the cross-pin will no longer gouge little dents in the stock.  Both sides of the cross-pin will now be floating.
7- Same as above
8- Mark from underneath, then cut out the curve of trigger opening for back piece of bedding
9- Showing back end bedding.   Can use smaller pieces and put in like a puzzle to make it easier
10- Using "C" clamp to get front stock screws started (material sets metal 1/8-inch higher in stock so holes don't line up).  NOTE:  I do this alone.  But when doing a friends gun he was able to hand grip it tight enough to get screws started without clamps. 
11- Same as above 
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #54 on: August 21, 2015, 04:09:06 PM »
Wow.  The soft bedding really made a difference in my D34! 8)  The rifle has always been a tack driver, but the poi constantly changed, by as much as an inch, sometimes more.  I have always used the artillery hold, but this rifle was extremely hold sensitive, so I would basically need to use reference marks to position the rifle to get a consistent poi, and even that sometimes didn't work. :o  So, after reading this thread, and urged on by Timmy Mac, I gave the soft bedding a try, and VOILA!!! ;D  The rifle is no longer hold sensitive, and will group, even changing where and how it is supported!  The bedding has also made the rifle much quieter, due no doubt to the insulating property of the foam.  I am thrilled with the results!  Thank you, Mike, for your discovery, and thank you Timmy for making this info and material available to us. ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #55 on: August 22, 2015, 11:29:47 AM »
Pictures of Soft Bedding a Beeman  R-1:

1- Cut your 3/8 to 1/4 inch wide Strips
2- Peel back the sticky back
3- Place along inlet line of stock leaving 1/16 inch gap up from edge.  (if you put right on the edge, as material mushes, it extends out over the edge and flakes off.
4. Same as above
5- Fore Stock bedding in place
6- Leave a little gap for the cross-pin that holds trigger in place. The material on each side will hold up the cross-pin just enough that the cross-pin will no longer gouge little dents in the stock.  Both sides of the cross-pin will now be floating.
7- Same as above
8- Mark from underneath, then cut out the curve of trigger opening for back piece of bedding
9- Showing back end bedding.   Can use smaller pieces and put in like a puzzle to make it easier
10- Using "C" clamp to get front stock screws started (material sets metal 1/8-inch higher in stock so holes don't line up).  NOTE:  I do this alone.  But when doing a friends gun he was able to hand grip it tight enough to get screws started without clamps. 
11- Same as above
8) :D Very nice pictorial and instructions on the soft bedding process .. Well done!!!! ;D
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #56 on: August 23, 2015, 05:49:54 PM »
Wow.  The soft bedding really made a difference in my D34! 8)  The rifle has always been a tack driver, but the poi constantly changed, by as much as an inch, sometimes more.  I have always used the artillery hold, but this rifle was extremely hold sensitive, so I would basically need to use reference marks to position the rifle to get a consistent poi, and even that sometimes didn't work. :o  So, after reading this thread, and urged on by Timmy Mac, I gave the soft bedding a try, and VOILA!!! ;D  The rifle is no longer hold sensitive, and will group, even changing where and how it is supported!  The bedding has also made the rifle much quieter, due no doubt to the insulating property of the foam.  I am thrilled with the results!  Thank you, Mike, for your discovery, and thank you Timmy for making this info and material available to us. ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #57 on: October 28, 2015, 08:44:34 PM »
Question for TimmyMac1

 Do you still have the 1/8 neoprene available? If not, can you point me in a direction to buy some?
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« Reply #58 on: October 28, 2015, 11:48:48 PM »
Question for TimmyMac1

 Do you still have the 1/8 neoprene available? If not, can you point me in a direction to buy some?
Thank you, Don
You can pick it up on line armaflex insulating tape it is neoprene tape ~2" wide and 20 ft on the roll or try Lowes & Home Depot
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Re: Soft Bedding Spring guns by Mike Hancock
« Reply #59 on: October 29, 2015, 01:07:19 AM »
Glad you guys brought this thread back around. I recently picked up a Silent Cat at the local pawn shop. I REALLY HATE PLASTIC !!!! And that echo in my ear is the main reason. I've already cut a few coils off the spring. I didn't need a gun that shoots MACH I+ (as they say this will..... yeah right).... anyhow, I am impressed at the accuracy so far so I think it may be worth a little more tinkering before I get bored and sell it. I'm going to see if Lowes has any of this stuff in stock and give it a shot on  the SC.  Why wouldn't I?
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