Oh, did you get those donuts?
Best break barrel IMO would be none of those OP has listed.Not to sound the snob
I would put away some more dough and get a diana 54 or air arms tx200, from what I've read these two are the creme' de la creme', last more than a lifetime and stay a little more accurate do to the fixed barrel
I would say a Weirauch airgun. HW95 is a bit over 7lbs. but the 50 and 30 are under 7lbs. JMO
My NP Trail AW weighs in at about 9.5 lbs with the scope on it. It's a moose to carry around all day. Keep in mind, that for a powerful springer, the extra weight helps damp down the recoil some.
I would avoid the Benji titan because the barrel lockup is very poor-after a while the barrel won't lock into place firmly and you'll lose accuracy. I have heard the trail is better in that regard, but the crosman trigger is bad...it's not as bad as everyone makes it out to be but it is bad. The SAT on the Gamo Bone collector is smoother and the gun is very quiet.I would go benji trail (if the weight doesn't bother you too much) or Bone collector IGT (that would be my first choice)
Quote from: Squirrel and Pest hunter on April 18, 2014, 08:37:18 PMOh, did you get those donuts?Man, ya'll are horrible about staying on topic...lol. Actually, I didn't get donuts that day, but apparently my wife got some in support of a fundraiser two days ago at work.On topic, I didn't really give ya'll much to go on. I appreciate the suggestions for the other brands. I already started looking at the RWS Diana 34P per ya'lls suggestions. I'm mostly looking for something to shoot out to 45 yards at birds, rabbits, squirrels, and such in 22 cal (I won't be shooting rabbits that far before ya'll bring that up ) while carrying it around my landowners property (out in the county). I'm hoping to pick up a 22 cal Disco before long to start tearing up, but I'm looking to use mostly PCP air rifles for anything past 50 yards. That being said, before the spring in the Big Cat gave out, I was hitting a coke can at 80 yards.I mainly bring up the Titan, because I've seen alot of people talking about it being a good shooter with a GRT-III and a E3650 with new seals. I'm about to do the same with my Big Cat 1250 (except with a GRT-4) with the new trigger, the E3650, and the new seals, but it's a 177 cal and I'd like something that'll knock rabbits down a little further out with more authority. The whole point here is for me to have a backup "springer" in case something goes wrong with my PCP that I intended to hunt with. I'm not looking to really get too into the springer with the really expensive stuff. I'd put my upper limit right at $300 and I'm not looking for a magnum like the Trail NP XL.On a side note though, since so many ARE putting their two cents in, what would ya'll suggest for my brother-in-law. He would like a magnum powered air rifle. I'm trying to steer him away from the 177 cal, but he's all about that "1500 fps" nonsense. I'm mostly interested in suggestions that fall below $400 (I know, hard to make suggestions at such a low price, right? ) and in 22 cal. If Hatsan has any offerings that you'd recommend, I'm interested. I don't know much about the magnum springers as I'm too concerned about the hold sensitivity, but if ya'll want to try and convince me to try one myself, I'm all ears! P.S. I edited this just to remove the non-profane four letter word that is now "nonsense"...I'm going to start a dictionary for all the "non-vulgar" words I can't use here...lol.
Or wait a month or two and check out the new crossman 22s with the new "Improved" gas ram II... although with those coming out i bet you can get great deals on the older Crosman stuff.. http://www.crosman.com/airguns/rifles/break-barrel/BTN292WX
For light weight I have been looking at the BSA Supersport GRT. It's about 6.5#, and looks to have good power. I read good reviews on Pyramyd's site, but would be nice to hear from someone on GTA.I had a D34 and an HW30S - both were easy to get on the paper and shoot small groups with. My son has a Titan GP, and that thing is hard just to stay on the paper with.
is light weight THE most important thing? Caliber? some of the multi-pump penumatics are dirt cheap relatively powerful and waaaay lighter than any springer
Ok let's get back on topic. They are all basically $100 guns with bling. Cheap scopes, etc. the only real difference in the Benjamin's is the $50 sling swivel. They are proud of that too. Ouch. Now let's do some math shall we. Each of the for will require a $30 aftermarket trigger. And most likely a new seal. Say $15. Might as well add $31 for proper lubes,....that's including shipping. So you decide to get one of the $200 dollar guns. By the time you get it shooting the way it should, you'll have $276 (+/-) invested in a $100 rifle. To add insult to injury, the resale value will go south like a duck in winter. Shooting anything past say 50 yards, you'll need more than one of these guns to do that humanely.
I bought the first one on your list for my son in 22. With real pellets that have a good BC the gamo bull whisper bone collector is slow, load and in accurate. We shot it a few times then put it in the corner...
If you are going to replace the trigger anyway I would definitely go with crosman, because I have heard that gamo's customer service is non-existent and i had a very decent experience with crosman a while ago.But, I noticed most of your suggestions had a gas ram so if you want that I would go w/either the benji trail or the remington/crosman I just suggested.
CDT triggers can cause an unsafe situation due to the weak return spring, if the trigger is "balk fired". The other aftermarket trigger uses geometry rather than a lighter spring to lighten the trigger pull. I have a NPSS that I fortunately got really cheap, and it came with a cdt trigger, which I have since removed because of this condition. It is now back to it's factory horrid trigger, and better off for it. tk
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There is no doubt that the masses have said Diana 34. Go ahead and order one you will NOT be disappointed. As soon as you open the box the metal on the gamos and crosmans will begin rusting away in the corner and you will probably not care.My first adult airgun was a crosman phantom .177 and i REALLY liked it then i found the forums and heard of these "german" guns 7 or 8 german guns later not sure where the crosman gun is right now. Other than maybe a little lube and a new piston seal there is nothing else that needs changing or upgrading. Once you have laid eyes on that deep rich bluing you will be hooked you may even have to be reminded to take it out and shoot it rather than sit and admire it. The only drawback for you may be the weight if that is a real concern then grab up a 392 and dont look back. One more thing if you go with a quality german gun your kids and grandkids will thank you for it when it is handed down. Im sure you cant say that for the crosmans and gamos.BTW i cannot be held responsible when the second, third or any other proceeding German airguns show up.
If you are looking for a "quality shooter" as your first sentence states, you really need to look at German rifles rather than the gamo and crosman models you mentioned. They are built like toys compared to the HWs and Dianas and have VERY poor quality control... Spend a bit more and enjoy for a really long time, tk