Which caliber for a Benjamin Marauder?

[cooter472]

And boost your pump from a compressor so it only takes 30 (instead of 80) pumps to recharge your gun.

Now how exactly does one "boost their pump from a compressor?"  I'm guessing some kind of adapter hose with a standard air compressor quick release on one side and a quick release that connects to the fitting that's been added to the pump somehow or another.  Anybody have a link to a thread where it's been done?

Someone posted this the other day. This is what you need. Not a hand pump and air compressor.

https://www.precisionairgunsandsupplies.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=Raptor-Pneumatics-EZ-Fill-4500

Phil....I want one of those....will you buy it for me please??

boy if I wasnt married

[Sfttailrdr46]

  As others have posted intended use is a serious consideration mine in .22 is a real nice rifle . I haven't shot past 25 yards yet but plan to real soon. I think that back yard friendly go with the .177 or .22 if going for larger game and maybe longer range shots consider the .25 again the larger the caliber the costlier the ammo. Hand pumping from 1700 to 2600 psi is not terrible 

[DaveInGA]

U in the ballpark!!   Yep, my Dad called me several things when he was aggravated with me as a child.  Dummy and mechanically inept were not on the list.

Well as a matter of fact....I do. And if you would like to pm me your phone number,  I will forward you (or anyone else) a pic of my pump ready to boost.  PM already sent.

you can post it here as I don't know how. I'll do it.  I've posted on several forums and am pretty good at figuring out what each website wants to accept photos.

Boosting is simple, effective and inexpensive. I suspect it would be.  You're compressing the air in the pump so that you get more compressed air into the rifle with each pump.  If one already owns a compressor (and a good one can be cheaply had at harbor freight), this would be a cheap upgrade if a couple fittings and a hose are most of what's involved.

But once you have spent the big bucks on an HPA tank...you no longer reason to try it.  But if you haven't invested anything yet, this can save you a lot of cash you can spend on making the wife happy or other things that bring positive responses back on yourself.

Some may not want to know as it takes the justification of the HPA expenditure away.) It did for me.  Vested interests related to making money can be a tough thing sometimes and cause conflicts.

Here is the link http://marauderairrifle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7868  Thank you for the link, I'll check it out.

Good luck and good shooting. Thank you, hopefully I'll get enough time away from my full time job and my part time gunsmithing business to actually do some shooting.  And with it warming up here, my sons/sons in law will be wanting me to take them fishing in the bass boat I just finished restoring last summer.  Ah, the conflicts of fishing vs. hunting vs. shooting.

[DaveInGA]

Someone posted this the other day. This is what you need. Not a hand pump and air compressor.

https://www.precisionairgunsandsupplies.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=Raptor-Pneumatics-EZ-Fill-4500

  There's a guy on the internet selling the same exact thing except it's white for a thousand bucks apiece.  For that kind of money, I'd be buying antique military surplus firearms that hold their value for 20 plus years when that pump is worn out and gone.  That is NOT frugal at all.

[DaveInGA]

As others have posted intended use is a serious consideration mine in .22 is a real nice rifle . I haven't shot past 25 yards yet but plan to real soon. I think that back yard friendly go with the .177 or .22 if going for larger game and maybe longer range shots consider the .25 again the larger the caliber the costlier the ammo. Hand pumping from 1700 to 2600 psi is not terrible 

 

My back yard is about 2/3'rds of an acre and half of that is wooded with a stream running through it's base (it's down hill from my back door patio.)  the other side of the stream rises up at the same slope and it's about an acre till it gets to the other person's back yard.  Neighbor to my right is the same and to the left they've cleared down pretty close to the stream and their lot has less of a slope, but there's a good acre and a half there.  So I'm pretty sure I can use any caliber without upsetting the neighbors too much and not putting any of them at risk.

[Booger]

And boost your pump from a compressor so it only takes 30 (instead of 80) pumps to recharge your gun.

Now how exactly does one "boost their pump from a compressor?"  I'm guessing some kind of adapter hose with a standard air compressor quick release on one side and a quick release that connects to the fitting that's been added to the pump somehow or another.  Anybody have a link to a thread where it's been done?

Someone posted this the other day. This is what you need. Not a hand pump and air compressor.

https://www.precisionairgunsandsupplies.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=Raptor-Pneumatics-EZ-Fill-4500

Phil....I want one of those....will you buy it for me please??

boy if I wasnt married

You can buy one and you won't be married. Can you say "Child Support"? LOL

[cooter472]

And boost your pump from a compressor so it only takes 30 (instead of 80) pumps to recharge your gun.

Now how exactly does one "boost their pump from a compressor?"  I'm guessing some kind of adapter hose with a standard air compressor quick release on one side and a quick release that connects to the fitting that's been added to the pump somehow or another.  Anybody have a link to a thread where it's been done?

Someone posted this the other day. This is what you need. Not a hand pump and air compressor.

https://www.precisionairgunsandsupplies.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=Raptor-Pneumatics-EZ-Fill-4500

Phil....I want one of those....will you buy it for me please??

boy if I wasnt married

You can buy one and you won't be married. Can you say "Child Support"? LOL

I coul djust imagine, she would probaly take my dog and break my guns lol, but when I bought her a $4700 engagement ring instead of a new procharger I still have one up on her atleast I think

[Booger]

And boost your pump from a compressor so it only takes 30 (instead of 80) pumps to recharge your gun.

Now how exactly does one "boost their pump from a compressor?"  I'm guessing some kind of adapter hose with a standard air compressor quick release on one side and a quick release that connects to the fitting that's been added to the pump somehow or another.  Anybody have a link to a thread where it's been done?

Someone posted this the other day. This is what you need. Not a hand pump and air compressor.

https://www.precisionairgunsandsupplies.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=Raptor-Pneumatics-EZ-Fill-4500

Phil....I want one of those....will you buy it for me please??

boy if I wasnt married

You can buy one and you won't be married. Can you say "Child Support"? LOL

I coul djust imagine, she would probaly take my dog and break my guns lol, but when I bought her a $4700 engagement ring instead of a new procharger I still have one up on her atleast I think

Quit thinking, that is the major down fall of most men. I have learned a few words that usually work. "You were right", "I am sorry", and if that doesn't work another trip to the jewelry store should work.

[cooter472]

And boost your pump from a compressor so it only takes 30 (instead of 80) pumps to recharge your gun.

Now how exactly does one "boost their pump from a compressor?"  I'm guessing some kind of adapter hose with a standard air compressor quick release on one side and a quick release that connects to the fitting that's been added to the pump somehow or another.  Anybody have a link to a thread where it's been done?

you forgot yes dear

Someone posted this the other day. This is what you need. Not a hand pump and air compressor.

https://www.precisionairgunsandsupplies.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=Raptor-Pneumatics-EZ-Fill-4500

Phil....I want one of those....will you buy it for me please??

boy if I wasnt married

You can buy one and you won't be married. Can you say "Child Support"? LOL

I coul djust imagine, she would probaly take my dog and break my guns lol, but when I bought her a $4700 engagement ring instead of a new procharger I still have one up on her atleast I think

Quit thinking, that is the major down fall of most men. I have learned a few words that usually work. "You were right", "I am sorry", and if that doesn't work another trip to the jewelry store should work.

[jeffharper47]

from what youve stated. id go with the 22.

i just got my synrod 22 a few days ago and i love it. very consistent.

i too was going to get the 25 cal, but i didnt want to spend most of my time pumping. so i got the 22 to achieve a much higher shot count while still having plenty of power for the pests youve described.

[Sandspike]

I wish my camera was working, thier is no comparison between a .177 and .25 pellet. Its like comparing bird shot to buck shot

Good analogy Cooter.
Here is a comparison that you may like. Take all three cal. pellets. Put them all at 900 fps. The .22 will have about the same energy to deliver at 50 yards as the .177 has at the muzzle. And the .25 will have about the same energy to deliver at 70 yards as the .22 has at point blank. You can prove this to yourself using Chairgun Pro if you like.

[RayK]

Sandspike, I believe boosting is awesome for those who only have a hand pump.  If I were only hunting, I would consider it, but I do lots of tuning, experimentation, and target shooting.  I doubt I would have been able to learn so much about Marauders if I didn't have access to lots of high pressure air.  I bought my first Marauder in 2009, but I didn't buy a hand pump until last summer.  I got one so I could take it and my P-rod on a plane to my mother-in-laws place which is loaded with squirrels.  I didn't want to mess with taking a tank on the plane.

DaveInGA, after reading your later posts about wanting the squirrels a sure kill, you really will be better served with a 25 caliber M-rod.  All three calibers will kill squirrels, but the 25 is an instant kill - with almost any shot placement.

I found this picture on the web comparing size of the pellets

Ray

[jenora]

As for pellet size and arthritis, I use the magazines so I am never struggling with the pellet and the breech under adverse conditions in the field. Size doesn't matter in this regard.

[Sandspike]

Sandspike, I believe boosting is awesome for those who only have a hand pump.  If I were only hunting, I would consider it, but I do lots of tuning, experimentation, and target shooting.  I doubt I would have been able to learn so much about Marauders if I didn't have access to lots of high pressure air.  I bought my first Marauder in 2009, but I didn't buy a hand pump until last summer.  I got one so I could take it and my P-rod on a plane to my mother-in-laws place which is loaded with squirrels.  I didn't want to mess with taking a tank on the plane.
Ray

Ray, let me try to be understood here by modifying your quote above. "I believe boosting is awesome for those who can only afford to buy a hand pump." My intended audience here is those that have bought a hand pump and are dissatisfied with it or those who the expense of buying a tank would be served by a boosted pump and go ahead and buy a PCP gun.

Crosman just got a slug of new Synrods back from customers who were given them for Christmas. Upon discovering that they needed a source of HPA, then returned the guns for refund. They might not have been returned if the buyers were informed about boosted pumps and not told that they needed to buy an unnecessary tank that cost more than the gun for one big enough to be useful.

Yes, I just said that expensive HPA tanks are UNNECESSARY for a beginning PCP owner.  I firmly believe this because if this 61 year old man can pump 30 and enjoy shooting both of his Mrods, others can as well. Yes HPA tanks are the best option overall but boosted pumps can bridge the gap between no PCP guns and getting into Darkside happiness. And just think about how many more PCP guns would be sold if the Boosted Pump method of fueling them was widely known.
Knowledge is power....PCP power! 

[DaveInGA]

Take all three cal. pellets. Put them all at 900 fps. The .22 will have about the same energy to deliver at 50 yards as the .177 has at the muzzle. And the .25 will have about the same energy to deliver at 70 yards as the .22 has at point blank. You can prove this to yourself using Chairgun Pro if you like.

  More energy combined with more mass delivered to the target is a more effective kill shot in most cases I've seen.  Which is why the .45/70 was so effective against buffalo.  Checkout what those monster bullets will do on the Box of Truth website.  For hunting, mo is betta.

[DaveInGA]

Ray, responses in red in the quote:

Sandspike, I believe boosting is awesome for those who only have a hand pump.  If I were only hunting, I would consider it, but I do lots of tuning, experimentation, and target shooting.  I doubt I would have been able to learn so much about Marauders if I didn't have access to lots of high pressure air.  I bought my first Marauder in 2009, but I didn't buy a hand pump until last summer.  I got one so I could take it and my P-rod on a plane to my mother-in-laws place which is loaded with squirrels.  I didn't want to mess with taking a tank on the plane.  The question is how long would it have taken you to buy a pump if you were as far from an air source as say, I am and had to drive a half an hour or more to fill your tank.

DaveInGA, after reading your later posts about wanting the squirrels a sure kill, you really will be better served with a 25 caliber M-rod.  All three calibers will kill squirrels, but the 25 is an instant kill - with almost any shot placement.  I'm thinking so.  I've got a .22 QB78 D on order now from a tuner, but I suspect based on what I've read these lighter weight guns are not going to satisfy me when there are rifles with serious punch available.  I believe if you have limited time, you want to bring the most effective rifle you can to the hunt.  For the money, it's looking like the Benjamin Mrod may very well do this, especially in the .25 caliber.  And a nice plus is it doesn't have a goofy looking tank hanging off the front end of the rifle.  It still looks like a rifle, not a space gizmo.

I found this picture on the web comparing size of the pellets   This image clearly shows the huge difference in mass between the three calibers.  You'd have to get the .177 up to some serious velocities for me to feel comfortable shooting squirrels with it these days.  The .22 is okay, but that .25, it looks like a rifle bullet size wise.  Do the skirts on these pellets expand enough to seal the bore grooves when coming from the higher velocity air rifles?

Ray

[DaveInGA]

As for pellet size and arthritis, I use the magazines so I am never struggling with the pellet and the breech under adverse conditions in the field. Size doesn't matter in this regard.

 

A solid reason for me to consider a rifle such as the Benjamin with a magazine, ease of loading.

[Sandspike]

The clips are a Godsend for fumble fingers like mine. I load mine over an empty box to catch the fumbles.

[DaveInGA]

While this message isn't directed at me, I'm going to respond with my point of view, as usual, in red in the quote.

Sandspike, I believe boosting is awesome for those who only have a hand pump.  If I were only hunting, I would consider it, but I do lots of tuning, experimentation, and target shooting.  I doubt I would have been able to learn so much about Marauders if I didn't have access to lots of high pressure air.  I bought my first Marauder in 2009, but I didn't buy a hand pump until last summer.  I got one so I could take it and my P-rod on a plane to my mother-in-laws place which is loaded with squirrels.  I didn't want to mess with taking a tank on the plane.
Ray

Ray, let me try to be understood here by modifying your quote above. "I believe boosting is awesome for those who can only afford to buy a hand pump." I can afford anything I wish, including the high dollar high compressor pump linked to earlier, but the reason I can afford it is I don't throw away my money on frivolous expenditures.  I prefer to keep my money for times when I want something that's genuinely expensive and of great benefit not only to me, but to my family.

My intended audience here is those that have bought a hand pump and are dissatisfied with it or those who the expense of buying a tank would be served by a boosted pump and go ahead and buy a PCP gun. For me, buying a tank is wasting my own time.  I'd rather pump something up at the house than drive a large distance to fill a tank.  If I were shooting high volumes of pellets, then I'd have time to drive to go fill a tank.  But those type things are a very personal decision, along with the economics of various solutions for the air.  What I do like is having those choices.  When I was a young man, those choices were simply not available.  Had a rifle like the Benjamin been available then, I could have afford it, but would have had to buy a pump due to lack of transportation.  It would have been a better choice than my Daisy pump for taking out the squirrels.

Crosman just got a slug of new Synrods back from customers who were given them for Christmas. Upon discovering that they needed a source of HPA, then returned the guns for refund. They might not have been returned if the buyers were informed about boosted pumps and not told that they needed to buy an unnecessary tank that cost more than the gun for one big enough to be useful. Marketing is everything.  Of course, it always amazes me the number of uninformed buyers in the U.S. who will run out and buy the perceived latest and greatest without having the slightest idea of what they're getting into. 

My wife's boss, who only uses the phone and text, has bought and broken 5 of the high dollar premium smart phones in the last six months.  Now he wants the latest/greatest that just came out and he has no idea how to use the features.  Its all about his ego.  My wife and I bought an LG that was half the cost of that phone, bought a brand X phone protector off ebay for 7 bucks each.  She's learned to use her phone and uses it for darn near everything it is capable of doing, including making movies and slide shows for the internet.  I don't use mine as much as she does, but I do use the weather and car insurance features.  We haven't broken a phone, even after a couple of drops because the cheap 7 buck protectors are doing their jobs.

Yes, I just said that expensive HPA tanks are UNNECESSARY for a beginning PCP owner.  I firmly believe this because if this 61 year old man can pump 30 and enjoy shooting both of his Mrods, others can as well.  I would agree with this statement and 61 year old men know about the importance of keeping as much of your own dollars in your pocket as possible.  That's why they can afford the nice vacations, etc.

Yes HPA tanks are the best option overall but boosted pumps can bridge the gap between no PCP guns and getting into Darkside happiness. And just think about how many more PCP guns would be sold if the Boosted Pump method of fueling them was widely known.
Knowledge is power....PCP power!    I'm thinking this is the absolute truth and will likely be what gets me into the PCP market.

[DaveInGA]

The clips are a Godsend for fumble fingers like mine. I load mine over an empty box to catch the fumbles.

I don't know if I'm that bad, but I can see it's much easier than trying to shove a pellet into the breech under a scope while the weather is at or below freezing outside while one's arthritis is screaming go back in the house and at least put my glove back on now.