First PCP I want a .25 but which one? One with serious power...

[oakey]

What has the power? Sumatra's? I like Carbine 6pounds but how is the accuracy? Rain Storm ll?

[Nomadic Pirate]

Most powerfull

Condor and Sumatra long rifle  80-90 FPE over 100 with Bullets

than Sumatra Carbine  70-75 FPE 80+ with Bullets

Than Rainstorm  60something with pellets, we'll see what they can do with bullets as people start testing

There's a few Euro guns too in the 60-80 FPE range But I don't know much about them


accuracy in the Sumatras both Carbine and long rifle is outstanding so is for the Rainstorm

[lastedtiger]

Like others have said, if you want something light and powerfull : Condor, Sumatra, rainstorm 2.

[jettaglikop]

You might also consider a Hatsan AT44-10 or BT-65 if noise is not an issue.... I have an AT44-S10 Long that is currently tuned for 22 shots at 53 FPE with JSB Kings.... I was able to achieve nearly 70 FPE with EunJins, but only 14 shots.... Stock, the gun shot 25 shots at 41 FPE with the Kings.... all strings within 4% ES....

Bob

The OP never said he wanted accuracy... Just serious power.

From what I've read the Hatsan BT65 gives you useable power because it's serious power is it's accuracy.

I too am in the market for a .25cal PCP and have narrowed it down to the Hatsan with a TKO.

I should be pulling the trigger on the purchase today or tomorrow.

[oakey]

The PCP I purchase can't be too loud. At this point most of my shooting will be in my back yard  .25 acre. But I wouldn't pass up either the Condor or the Sumatra though I hear the Sumatra is pretty loud.


Oaks 

[aack73]

the mrod will be a lot quieter out of the box. the others will need some assistance on being back yard friendly. with power comes noise.

[oakey]

I already shot an R9, 54 Air King, NP XL 1100 and a .22 Browning Express 800 pistol out there is the Condor, Sumatra or the Rainstorm 11 much louder?

Anyone?

Oaks

[Nomadic Pirate]

Can't even remotly compare the Sumatra and Condor to them guns,...not even close, the 1st time you shoot a Sumatra and a Condor you'll jump out of your shirt, Hahahaha, the Rainstorm is shrouded so isn't too bad

[Rescue35]

zif you are in any type of enclosure (roofed shooting lane) you should wear earplugs with the Sumatra, I would expect the same for a Condor. I took a shot at a squirrel with the Career III .25 and experienced a temporary threshold shift (TTS). Fancy words for I couldn't hear good for a while.

[oakey]

loud as a 12 gauge or a thirty thirty? Rim fire 22?

Oaks

[Ribbonstone]

Deeper and longer...but close in total noise to a .22RF (which is faster/sharper/higher pitched so it sounds totally different...but I'd guess the toatl noise is about the same).  Deep sounds do seem to travel (which is why fog horns are so deep-sounding).

Do think once you get past 60 foot pounds in .25, would be better off looking for a "slug shooter" rather than a "pellet shooter".  That much power kind of deserves to toss cast .25's rahter than pushing hollow based, wasp-waisted pellets that hard.

If you really want a hot-rod, low shot count, total "hammer", go with the Condor.  Whatever it needs to have done is out in the open, the up-tune is pretty well documented in various posts (esp. on the TAG site), and they are known for their ability to make power.

[rld1965]

They say the new Air Force condor ss with the shrouded barrel is very quiet , and very accurate with the walther barrel . You can not go wrong with selecting the new Air Force condor ss or the rainstorm 2 .they both have the power and accuracy . Price comparison they are about the same . Now it comes to these choices . One is a single shot "condor ss" , and the rainstorm 2 has a magazine for multiple shots . Also one looks like a rifle "rainstorm 2" , and the condor ss looks totally different . It's your preference ! Good luck . Either way you will get a wonderfull air rifle !

[lastedtiger]

A Condor with no shroud and power wheel maxed out will sound like rim fire to anyone around.

[oakey]

Good news: New AF Airguns on their way! Very happy.

https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2013/01/airforces-new-condor-and-condor-ss-part-1/

Oaks

[the1stkim]

You might also consider a Hatsan AT44-10 or BT-65 if noise is not an issue.... I have an AT44-S10 Long that is currently tuned for 22 shots at 53 FPE with JSB Kings.... I was able to achieve nearly 70 FPE with EunJins, but only 14 shots.... Stock, the gun shot 25 shots at 41 FPE with the Kings.... all strings within 4% ES....

Bob

The OP never said he wanted accuracy... Just serious power.

From what I've read the Hatsan BT65 gives you useable power because it's serious power is it's accuracy.

I too am in the market for a .25cal PCP and have narrowed it down to the Hatsan with a TKO.

I should be pulling the trigger on the purchase today or tomorrow.

The BT65 is so fricken acurate! And pretty darn powerfull as well. Ive had mine a couple of weeks. Wish I had one of these along time ago. Lots of money waisted modding other guns that still don't add up. Also what is a TKO? I'm a lil behind on the acronyms

[mcc1961]

I am getting a .25 MROD , I kinda know how they work because I have a Disco in .22. Crosman seems to always stand behind their products and parts are easy to get also.

[JSubadya]

I have the .25 Condor and it is loud! I would say alittle less than a .22lr. BUT with a talon tunes shroud it is extremelt quite and it looks awesome!

I saw someone mention cast bullets. Where can i get a cast for a .25. I thought the casts where for .257 barrels only.

[PakProtector]

There is no place on a quarter acre you could hide from a 25 Marauder. It is not the top of the power heap, but they're quite accurate. Accurate power is going to depend on how heavy your projectile is. I have serious doubts about any rifle that spits 'em out over 900 fps, though bullets seem to do better at the high speeds v. pellets. Good luck on your search.
cheers,
Douglas

[mtbdrew]

You might also consider a Hatsan AT44-10 or BT-65 if noise is not an issue.... I have an AT44-S10 Long that is currently tuned for 22 shots at 53 FPE with JSB Kings.... I was able to achieve nearly 70 FPE with EunJins, but only 14 shots.... Stock, the gun shot 25 shots at 41 FPE with the Kings.... all strings within 4% ES....

Bob

The OP never said he wanted accuracy... Just serious power.

From what I've read the Hatsan BT65 gives you useable power because it's serious power is it's accuracy.

I too am in the market for a .25cal PCP and have narrowed it down to the Hatsan with a TKO.

I should be pulling the trigger on the purchase today or tomorrow.

The BT65 is so fricken acurate! And pretty darn powerfull as well. Ive had mine a couple of weeks. Wish I had one of these along time ago. Lots of money waisted modding other guns that still don't add up. Also what is a TKO? I'm a lil behind on the acronyms

http://www.tko22.com/

[bmazz007]

The PCP I purchase can't be too loud. At this point most of my shooting will be in my back yard  .25 acre. But I wouldn't pass up either the Condor or the Sumatra though I hear the Sumatra is pretty loud.


Oaks

I have the Condor in 25 cal its  I bought a shroud for it because it is way too loud with out it just bought it. The Condor is by far the best in my arsenal I have about 30 air rifles. 4 of which are pcp. the Condor is extremely accurate and has crazy power I am shooting over 1100 Fps with Eujin 43.2. So power is not an issue. I have mine set at mid power shooting crow magnums at 1050fps
with 50 yard groups inside a quarter (25Cent) JSB kings power turned down even tighter groups.

The only draw back with the CONDOR IS ITS SINGLE SHOT.

Bill