HW97K .20

[Nikoman]

Curious what guys with the TX are seeing for muzzle velocity? Like wise, curious as to what you guys are generating for velocity and what your 97's shooting with the .20's?

My TX200HC (.177) is generating 17.4 fpe average so it's really pushing the envelope

Have you visited the TX Fever thread here on the GTA? You should, that might help influence your decision between the two rifles.
The best way to really make up your mind is shoot both. Find both rifles through some GTA members near you and try them out. A lot of us aren't biased here, as you can see several people have both guns and enjoy using them

[Onebaddj]

Man o man congrats on that shooter! My next springer will be the 97 k with thumbhole stock in 20 cal. If they still make them by the time i break down to buy one. Lol nice shooting too.

[lillysdad621]

My Tx is pushing 8.44 jsb at 850 fps (as requested on the tune). My HW97K is pushing .20 cal FTS at 802 fps... a cannon.

[itbvolks]

Curious what guys with the TX are seeing for muzzle velocity? Like wise, curious as to what you guys are generating for velocity and what your 97's shooting with the .20's?

My TX200HC (.177) is generating 17.4 fpe average so it's really pushing the envelope

Have you visited the TX Fever thread here on the GTA? You should, that might help influence your decision between the two rifles.
The best way to really make up your mind is shoot both. Find both rifles through some GTA members near you and try them out. A lot of us aren't biased here, as you can see several people have both guns and enjoy using them

I haven't seen the TX Fever thread and searching didn't reveal anything either.

Care to point me in the right direction?


Curious what work was done to generate those figures? Pretty serious energy. Would love that in .22!!!

[Nikoman]

I've heard of a tuned .22 TX generated over 20fpe!

[jusanothajoe]

Curious what guys with the TX are seeing for muzzle velocity? Like wise, curious as to what you guys are generating for velocity and what your 97's shooting with the .20's?

My TX200HC (.177) is generating 17.4 fpe average so it's really pushing the envelope

Have you visited the TX Fever thread here on the GTA? You should, that might help influence your decision between the two rifles.
The best way to really make up your mind is shoot both. Find both rifles through some GTA members near you and try them out. A lot of us aren't biased here, as you can see several people have both guns and enjoy using them

I haven't seen the TX Fever thread and searching didn't reveal anything either.

Care to point me in the right direction?


Curious what work was done to generate those figures? Pretty serious energy. Would love that in .22!!!

Here's the Fever thread
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=39820.0

[itbvolks]

Thanks for the heads up!


Some fine looking rifles in there!!!   

[HW97]

I actually own both and my 97K is actually in .20. The FTS shoot at 802 fps (tuned gun) and i have it set up for HFT in days that are too windy to shoot the tx on. The TX is shooting 8.44 jsb at 850 (detuned) but it is PCP accurate... out to 30 yards the TX is surgical... but pushing metal spinners out to 75 yards the TX is pitiful compared to a .20 cal smacking the &^^& out of those metal discs... and for hunting... the HW is a serious plague on our crow population. Love them both...

What tune do you have in yours to get that low numbers?Or did you use heavy pellets for 802 fps? A box stock .20 should shoot 760-800 fps. with 11-11.5gr pellets. My PG2-kitted .20 cal. puts out 855-865 fps with H&N FTT ,11.4gr. All measured at sea level to 80 ft. elev.

[HW97]

So for those who've shot both - what the consensus with regards to the TX vs 97?

I'm planning on using my rifle for double duty with a fair amount of small game hunting tied in with some paper work with my kids. I was pretty well set on the TX but love the .20 option for the HW and see posts like this so regularly.

Just can't decide!


For the OP - great to hear your getting along so well with the new rifle. Really beautiful firearm and should serve you very well long term. I see you have quite the collection. Its going to be hard to decide what comes out of the safe!

It really depends on what you're going to use it for. If you're going to be doing serious FT, then go with the TX. Build quality, the Air Arms has the upper hand as well but to each their own. I don't own an HW underlever but I do have several other Weihrauchs and they can't touch the Brit guns for their build quality. The .20 caliber is nice, but I prefer something more powerful than either of these two underlevers to propel that size pellet. Most FT shooters use .177 for the flatter trajectory and some of the smaller target zones. Like I said, everyone has an opinion but we'll gladly spend your money for you We're really good enablers here!
I say buy both!!

The build quality ,in my book, isnīt measured by the look of the stock nor the deepness/hue of the blueing. That would be the quality of finish and looks. When i say build quality i mean the quality of the parts & craftmanship (tolerances,how well everything fits together) and how things hold up in the long run. The AA nor any other Brit brand has nothing on Weihrauch (nor Diana etc.) or any German gun manufacturer in that regard. The TX200 sure looks good and shoots well but it being a better quality than an HW97- donīt think so... JMHO in this matter.

[HW97]

 

[lillysdad621]

MY gun (the 97k) shot in the mid 7s when i bought it... if you have one doing 850 its got to be a real hot one. i sent mine out to jan Kraner and i think he used a maccari spring and a sized seal, plus the i think a spacer. but when i got it it shot 815 with FTS and then it finally settled at 802 +-3 fps. real consistent. If i could get that gun up to 850 I would retire the TX. Not sell mind you... but retire it to plinker duty... But i would have to keep that butter like action... if it gets any harsher, even if it magically did 3000 fps, it would be no good.

[HW97]

Double checked today in cold,cold (below freezing-Swedish winter you know) weather- although the rifle was at room temp -and got an average of 832 fps. I calculated a bit wrong (ftps vs. meters ps) in my first post so that 865 was a bit too enthusiastic figure . Now i used a conversion chart and got the 832 av. for 10 shots. A fellow HW97 owner has the same tune (Vortek PG2) in his .22 and he gets an average of 748 ftps with H&N FTT and 761 with Crosman HP. This guy has tried the most in his gun : V-Mach,Maccari etc. and mixed/matched with different kits but his gun shoots best,smoothest and is most quiet with the PG2 in it. So-it seems to be a very good kit in these rifles. Butter smooth but very powerful.
One has no use for power if it canīt be controlled though so i totally agree. I have one of those (a modified Gamo Hunter 890) in .177 and itīs a handful. Canīt hit anything past 40 yrds...

[Nikoman]

The AA nor any other Brit brand has nothing on Weihrauch (nor Diana etc.) or any German gun manufacturer in that regard. The TX200 sure looks good and shoots well but it being a better quality than an HW97- donīt think so... JMHO in this matter.

Apparently you've never seen a Theoben up close....

[jusanothajoe]

So for those who've shot both - what the consensus with regards to the TX vs 97?

I'm planning on using my rifle for double duty with a fair amount of small game hunting tied in with some paper work with my kids. I was pretty well set on the TX but love the .20 option for the HW and see posts like this so regularly.

Just can't decide!


For the OP - great to hear your getting along so well with the new rifle. Really beautiful firearm and should serve you very well long term. I see you have quite the collection. Its going to be hard to decide what comes out of the safe!

It really depends on what you're going to use it for. If you're going to be doing serious FT, then go with the TX. Build quality, the Air Arms has the upper hand as well but to each their own. I don't own an HW underlever but I do have several other Weihrauchs and they can't touch the Brit guns for their build quality. The .20 caliber is nice, but I prefer something more powerful than either of these two underlevers to propel that size pellet. Most FT shooters use .177 for the flatter trajectory and some of the smaller target zones. Like I said, everyone has an opinion but we'll gladly spend your money for you We're really good enablers here!
I say buy both!!

The build quality ,in my book, isnīt measured by the look of the stock nor the deepness/hue of the blueing. That would be the quality of finish and looks. When i say build quality i mean the quality of the parts & craftmanship (tolerances,how well everything fits together) and how things hold up in the long run. The AA nor any other Brit brand has nothing on Weihrauch (nor Diana etc.) or any German gun manufacturer in that regard. The TX200 sure looks good and shoots well but it being a better quality than an HW97- donīt think so... JMHO in this matter.

I've only saw AND shot a Diana 34, only held a 48. I OWN a 34 now, sorry but with my very limited experience, the Diana's are not on the same quality level with the AA's. not knocking the Diana's at all, just stating my very humble opinion. And the wood and bluing definitely contributes to the build quality of a gun

[HW97]

The AA nor any other Brit brand has nothing on Weihrauch (nor Diana etc.) or any German gun manufacturer in that regard. The TX200 sure looks good and shoots well but it being a better quality than an HW97- donīt think so... JMHO in this matter.

Apparently you've never seen a Theoben up close....

Really? Iīve seen,hold and shot a couple of them. Theoben is no more though... Bankruptcy or something.

[HW97]

So for those who've shot both - what the consensus with regards to the TX vs 97?

I'm planning on using my rifle for double duty with a fair amount of small game hunting tied in with some paper work with my kids. I was pretty well set on the TX but love the .20 option for the HW and see posts like this so regularly.

Just can't decide!


For the OP - great to hear your getting along so well with the new rifle. Really beautiful firearm and should serve you very well long term. I see you have quite the collection. Its going to be hard to decide what comes out of the safe!

It really depends on what you're going to use it for. If you're going to be doing serious FT, then go with the TX. Build quality, the Air Arms has the upper hand as well but to each their own. I don't own an HW underlever but I do have several other Weihrauchs and they can't touch the Brit guns for their build quality. The .20 caliber is nice, but I prefer something more powerful than either of these two underlevers to propel that size pellet. Most FT shooters use .177 for the flatter trajectory and some of the smaller target zones. Like I said, everyone has an opinion but we'll gladly spend your money for you We're really good enablers here!
I say buy both!!

The build quality ,in my book, isnīt measured by the look of the stock nor the deepness/hue of the blueing. That would be the quality of finish and looks. When i say build quality i mean the quality of the parts & craftmanship (tolerances,how well everything fits together) and how things hold up in the long run. The AA nor any other Brit brand has nothing on Weihrauch (nor Diana etc.) or any German gun manufacturer in that regard. The TX200 sure looks good and shoots well but it being a better quality than an HW97- donīt think so... JMHO in this matter.

I've only saw AND shot a Diana 34, only held a 48. I OWN a 34 now, sorry but with my very limited experience, the Diana's are not on the same quality level with the AA's. not knocking the Diana's at all, just stating my very humble opinion. And the wood and bluing definitely contributes to the build quality of a gun

Youīre comparing a 34 (nothing bad about the 34 but it ainīt Dianaīs high end rifle) against upper level rifles so it isnīt a fair comparison really. The 54 & 56 on the other hand with the recoilles action and all are a hoot to shoot and very well build.
I still say the build quality is measured in fitment/tolerances of parts and how an item holds in the long run. The blueing and woodwork shows the quality of the finish - ,in my book . We may have to agree to disagree in this matter...

[p0intnsh00t]

To lillysdad621
So you got your HW97K back from Jan? Nice! Did he do the trigger as well? I going to Brookhaven tomorrow with my RWS460 and HW97K. Stop by If you have time.

[jusanothajoe]

yeah, I haven't had the pleasure of holding or shooting a 54 or 56. And I'll say that the wood and bluing ADD to the quality, cause if you have an internally cheap and crappy gun with nice wood and bluing..................... it's STILL cheap and crappy LOL

[HW97]

Of course but the internal parts are the ones that make a gun shoot and either do it good,smooth and accurate or bad, twitchy and inaccurate. The wood/blueing is just the cosmetic part and in all fairness the AA woodwork is pure eye-candy.
Iīm not saying the TX is worse than the HW at all but to say the build quality on Brit made guns is superior to German ones ainīt true. The final touch and finish, in this case,favors the AA (as it truly should mind the pricing) but take those two,put a say 15.000 rounds thru them both without doing any service to neither and see which one is in better shape afterwards. It wonīt be the AA.
Iīd say the Brit cars vs. German made is the same story.
That off my chest i wouldnīt mind owning a TX in .20 at all - in fact iīd have bought one in a heart beat- but since it isnīt available that wonīt happen. I may get a Brit gun (Daystate Huntsman) in .22 this spring so i have nothing against British made guns. Just stating the facts as I see them. Each to their own.

[jusanothajoe]

That is the reason I bought a HW97 in .20 because AA doesn't make a TX in .20.................... but I'm glad now, the HW97 is a joy to shoot  15,000 rounds thru both............... I'll let you know